Roger Strikes Again Josh Brown Edition

[pbmax]

NFL, with Roger's help (he hired three people), adopted a policy of 6 game suspension by default for domestic violence after they blew the Ray Rice incident.

Giants kicker Josh Brown was in a bout with his ex-wife in which he was arrested. He just this month received a 1 game suspension after a hearing. If the default six game suspension was a starting point, the new policy wasn't explicit about it.

Seems like a discrepancy. The League issued a statement in which it failed to explain the discrepancy. Brown's wife and the police/authorities did not cooperate with the NFL investigation and it is unclear why. Its easy to imagine why his wife might not (payments, exposure, fear) but the official refusal is harder to parse.

It seems her injuries were minor and Brown doesn't seem to have been formally charged. But the League and the Giants successfully hid this for a year before results of his August 1st hearing broke. Odd that releasing contractural terms or CBA negotiations or conduct detrimental interviews always seem to leak, but they can keep a tight lid on domestic violence.

It was later revealed that Brown's wife had claimed to police that there had been 20 physical confrontations with her now ex-husband dating back to 2009.

Without police reports from those incidents or cooperation of the parties, it would be difficult without a complete investigation to flesh out and substantiate that claim. The NFL doesn't seem to have put one together for obvious reasons.

What the League is left with is a situation where like Greg Hardy, the player can buy off witnesses and the League is not obligated to more than polite asking for cooperation. What seemed to have changed after Hardy and Rice was that the default penalty would be substantially larger.

That doesn't seem to be the case. What does seem consistent, is that the League, if it can keep the details from public view, is still willing to side with the player.

[red]

shouldn't this be a situation where its either zero games, or six? either the nfl can prove it happened, or they can't

its all or nothing, the nfl can't say, well, we think something happened, but we can't prove anything, so we're just gonna suspend you a little

the nfl is NOT above the law, if the law isn't gonna do a damn thing about the abuse (no punishment) the where does goddell get to end up being above the law and decide if someone is guilty or not?

[King Friday]

the nfl is NOT above the law, if the law isn't gonna do a damn thing about the abuse (no punishment) the where does goddell get to end up being above the law and decide if someone is guilty or not?

In the CBA, which is a LEGAL document (thus, law) the players agreed to give Roger-boy a whole lotta power. They can whine, bitch, moan, grump, throw a tantrum...but legally, no judge will choose to go against a collectively bargained agreement. The players are the ones who allowed Roger to be above the law...they have no one else to blame.

[red]

i think we're not gonna have football in 2019 or 2020 or when ever the cba runs out. players need to did in for a long strike.

#1 priority should be, no cba agreement with goodell in charge

[Patler]

shouldn't this be a situation where its either zero games, or six? either the nfl can prove it happened, or they can't

its all or nothing, the nfl can't say, well, we think something happened, but we can't prove anything, so we're just gonna suspend you a little

the nfl is NOT above the law, if the law isn't gonna do a damn thing about the abuse (no punishment) the where does goddell get to end up being above the law and decide if someone is guilty or not?

In somewhat the same way that OJ Simpson was found not guilty in the criminal trial, yet liable for millions in the civil trial for killing his former wife. Each situation has its own standards.

[MadScientist]

Did the incident happen before the new policy get put in place? If so, then the automatic 6 game suspension does not apply.

[red]

Did the incident happen before the new policy get put in place? If so, then the automatic 6 game suspension does not apply.

that hasn't stopped the league in the past (ray rice, AP)

[ThunderDan]

i think we're not gonna have football in 2019 or 2020 or when ever the cba runs out. players need to did in for a long strike.

#1 priority should be, no cba agreement with goodell in charge

There definitely could be a work stoppage next time around. But it will cost the players something in return. Maybe that will be an 18 game regular season. I am not sure the players would give up a lot to protect the 10 out of 1,700 or so players annually that Goddell throws the book at.

[wist43]

Goodell is a terrible commissioner - he thinks like a sleazy lawyer and is incapable of thinking or acting in the best interests of anyone but himself. The league is always in the headlines for negatives, i.e. player run-ins with the law, PED's, etc. Goodell seeks out those negatives and turns mole hills into mountains.

As for the Josh Brown incident... his ex-wife can make all the claims she wants - doesn't mean it's true. Maybe some of it is true, maybe a lot of it is true - maybe none of it is true.

I have news for you guys - women can be despicable, spiteful bitches. Just b/c a creature has a vagina, doesn't mean it is telling the truth about anything.

[Pugger]

Goodell is a terrible commissioner - he thinks like a sleazy lawyer and is incapable of thinking or acting in the best interests of anyone but himself. The league is always in the headlines for negatives, i.e. player run-ins with the law, PED's, etc. Goodell seeks out those negatives and turns mole hills into mountains.

As for the Josh Brown incident... his ex-wife can make all the claims she wants - doesn't mean it's true. Maybe some of it is true, maybe a lot of it is true - maybe none of it is true.

I have news for you guys - women can be despicable, spiteful bitches. Just b/c a creature has a vagina, doesn't mean it is telling the truth about anything.

Men can be lying Neanderthals who will stab you in the back if that will help them get ahead. Just b/c a creature has a penis doesn't mean it is any more truthful than the other gender. :rolleyes:

I would suggest you not paint an entire segment of the population with such a broad stroke just because you got burned by some female.

[pbmax]

Anyone can be a terrible person wist. But she did have a protective order against him at one point as he broke through a door to confront her son.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/josh-brown-ex-wife-told-police-20-physical-incidents-article-1.2757186

[wist43]

Men can be lying Neanderthals who will stab you in the back if that will help them get ahead. Just b/c a creature has a penis doesn't mean it is any more truthful than the other gender. :rolleyes:

That's true too... unfortunately, we live in a highly feminized society that is predictably breaking down. Americans, both men and women, are proof that the documentary Idiocracy is nothing if not prophetic.


I would suggest you not paint an entire segment of the population with such a broad stroke just because you got burned by some female.

It isn't that women are defective - it's that American women are defective. Women from different countries are, surprise/surprise... different. Dated a lot of women from all over the world - American women simply aren't worth the trouble. Like The Guess Who said, American Woman: Stay Away From Me!!!

Study: American men are becoming pussies, and American woman are growing chest hair and penises ;)

http://acculturated.com/are-men-becoming-the-weaker-sex/

[wist43]

Anyone can be a terrible person wist. But she did have a protective order against him at one point as he broke through a door to confront her son.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/josh-brown-ex-wife-told-police-20-physical-incidents-article-1.2757186

Not defending him... the point is - just b/c "she said... " the league can't suspend the guy on those grounds. Need some proof.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Study: American men are becoming pussies, and American woman are growing chest hair and penises ;)



Glad to see women are finally coming around to your preferences.

[Patler]

Anyone can be a terrible person wist. But she did have a protective order against him at one point as he broke through a door to confront her son.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/josh-brown-ex-wife-told-police-20-physical-incidents-article-1.2757186


Not defending him... the point is - just b/c "she said... " the league can't suspend the guy on those grounds. Need some proof.

I doubt a judge would have issued a protective order based on just "she said..." There would have been some corroborating evidence for her assertions. The NFL can rely on that.

[Carolina_Packer]

Kicker and Kick her sound very much alike. Just sayin'.

[wist43]

I doubt a judge would have issued a protective order based on just "she said..." There would have been some corroborating evidence for her assertions. The NFL can rely on that.

Yes, b/c judges are reliable, honest, and discerning in interpreting laws which themselves are corrupted with idiocy??

Judges are lawyers - there isn't a lower life form on the planet.

Antonio Gramsci was right.

[Patler]

Yes, b/c judges are reliable, honest, and discerning in interpreting laws which themselves are corrupted with idiocy??


Most judges are, yes. Judges are often hamstrung by laws and precedent that make a specific result seemingly unfair. Are all judges reliable, honest and discerning? Probably not, just as there are incompetent and under performing people in all walks of life.

[MadScientist]

I doubt a judge would have issued a protective order based on just "she said..." There would have been some corroborating evidence for her assertions. The NFL can rely on that.

Given the emotions involved with a break-up and the long history of violence in these cases, I wouldn't be surprised that a protective order could be obtained with little to no evidence for past violence.

[Patler]

In this instance, apparently there were multiple calls to the police, Brown virtually admitting it by saying it was just a moment that happened, his wife having gone to neighbors including Matt Hasselbeck and Chris Spencer during other instances, and Brown undergoing therapy for abusive behavior. Probably more than enough for the league to act on.

[pbmax]

This pretty much conveys how I suspect the NFL came around to handling this issue.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2659183-josh-brown-case-proves-that-the-nfl-learned-all-the-wrong-lessons-from-ray-rice


With Josh Brown’s one-game suspension for a violation of the Personal Conduct Policy (http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/photo/2014/12/10/0ap3000000441637.pdf), coupled with the baffling memo (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000687596/article/nfl-details-investigation-into-josh-browns-suspension) justifying its decision, the NFL reset its domestic violence awareness to pre-Ray Rice levels. The league demonstrated that the only lesson it learned from the Troubles of 2014 was that if the league talks a good game and waits for the news cycle to simmer down, it won’t have to do anything messy like address domestic violence seriously, do the right thing or even follow through on its own half-hearted condemnations.

[pbmax]

The NFL, with its vaunted security staff of former FBI agents, is not as adept as the daily news paper at getting records. Which means they aren't actually trying at all:


Upon news of Brown’s suspension, the New York Daily News quickly obtained (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/josh-brown-ex-wife-told-police-20-physical-incidents-article-1.2757186) police reports, a pair of 911 recordings on consecutive days and a lengthy statement from Brown’s wife (now divorced) to a detective and court official detailing 20 violent incidents spanning six years. Brown pushed his wife into a door when she was pregnant, once shoved her into a mirror and threatened her numerous times, according to her statement.

The NFL claimed that it obtained none of this information. The victim declined to speak to league investigators, and apparently Daily News reporters are better at obtaining court documents than the NFL’s army of super-sleuths.

[MadScientist]

The NFL, with its vaunted security staff of former FBI agents, is not as adept as the daily news paper at getting records. Which means they aren't actually trying at all:

So now we know the NFL has hired Sgt Schultz to investigate these issues.