View Full Version : Has the NFL bubble burst?
the nfl might have a problem on their hands, TV ratings are waaaaaay down this year. not just a little, like 15-20% less then they were at the same time last year
every primetime game has had much lower numbers then the game in the same time frame from last year
is the NFL on the downside of the hill, much like our packers?
Harlan Huckleby
09-19-2016, 05:14 PM
Well, entertainment is so wide and diversified that ratings for EVERYTHING are steadily going down. There are just more and more options, more and more sports and other interests.
Cheesehead Craig
09-19-2016, 05:46 PM
The religion of the NFL was bound to go down some as their level of dominance was unsustainable. Don't think the bubble has burst yet, but there definitely are the warning signs.
Joemailman
09-19-2016, 06:02 PM
Some of the matchups haven't been as great as last year. Opening night was Denver/Carolina, but Manning's retirement took away some of the interest in that game. Thursday Night's matchup of Bills/Jets probably doesn't generate much interest outside of the New York area. Superstar players, especially QB's, draw viewers, and a lot of the prime time games have lacked those. Brady out. Romo out. Probably too early to say this is a trend.
arcilite
09-19-2016, 06:07 PM
Maybe some people are sick of millionaires who play a game for a living taking a knee against the flag and decide to just not watch irrelevant games
channtheman
09-19-2016, 07:37 PM
I stopped watching games live as the cost to follow an out of market team with NFL ticket was too much. I use NFL gamepass now and watch Sunday night or Monday morning. I think a lot of people are cord cutting as well with lots of different streaming options becoming better and more available. Around the same time I decided to stop paying for NFL ticket I also cancelled DirecTV as that was the only reason I had it. I'm saving around $850 a year, but probably more as no doubt DirecTV's prices would go up as they always do.
King Friday
09-19-2016, 07:46 PM
I think the matchups certainly have something to do with it. There is also something to the fact that many people just don't watch from home anymore. As more and more homes cut the cord from cable, the Sunday Ticket package is picked up less and less. People just choose to go to the local sports bar instead. That doesn't register correctly in the ratings. The weather at this time of year has also been warmer/better than normal in many parts of the country...so people may just choose to be outdoors in the evenings before it starts to get too cold to do so.
I also think the hyping of betting/fantasy sports is a double edged sword. Yeah, it draws interest for those with a "stake" in games and would seem to drive MORE interest...but only until someone's wager is toast for the week and they lose interest in even casually watching anymore. If they have a bad day in fantasy/gambling, they may just skip tuning into the prime time game even if they probably would have otherwise.
sorry but people have always gone to sports bars, and always will
thats not the problem imo
poor matchups? nah. GB has on of the biggest national followings in the league, and they were playing their second most hated rival, who has one of the best players in the nfl and a brand new stadium. and yet the ratings were down 11% from the sunday night game in week 2 last year, which also featured the vikings
George Cumby
09-19-2016, 11:15 PM
Market saturation. Sunday night games, Monday night games, Thursday night games. Football 12 months of the year. The draft. The combine. Beginning of free agency period. Mel kipper. The NFL network. On and on.
Scandal. Deflate gate. Free Brady! Drugs. Millionaires knocking women around. DUIs. Steroids. Oh my!
Roger Gooddell as the face of the league. A bumbling, unlikeable, uncharismatic, smarmy, douchey, power hungry attack dog for the owners. Other than 32 Billionaires, who likes this pogue?
Joemailman
09-19-2016, 11:18 PM
sorry but people have always gone to sports bars, and always will
thats not the problem imo
poor matchups? nah. GB has on of the biggest national followings in the league, and they were playing their second most hated rival, who has one of the best players in the nfl and a brand new stadium. and yet the ratings were down 11% from the sunday night game in week 2 last year, which also featured the vikings
No it didn't. The Sunday Night Game in Week 2 last year was Packers/Seahawks, which was billed as a rematch of the NFC Title Game from the previous year. In my opinion, that game had much more national interest than Packers/Vikings.
MadtownPacker
09-19-2016, 11:20 PM
I cancelled Sunday Ticket years ago. Fuck em!
pbmax
09-19-2016, 11:45 PM
They need a new Pope for this NFL religion.
texaspackerbacker
09-20-2016, 05:24 AM
If ratings are down now, it would seemingly only get worse when the new TV season begins soon.
Carolina_Packer
09-20-2016, 05:38 AM
Red Zone fantasy football zombies? Know anyone who seems to care more about fantasy football than the real thing? Yeesh.
TravisWilliams23
09-20-2016, 05:43 AM
Maybe some people are sick of millionaires who play a game for a living taking a knee against the flag and decide to just not watch irrelevant games
This. That's the constant complaint I've heard so far this season from co-workers. Goodell screwed the pooch on handling the anthem protest and now the league is paying for it.
Cheesehead Craig
09-20-2016, 07:41 AM
Market saturation. Sunday night games, Monday night games, Thursday night games. Football 12 months of the year. The draft. The combine. Beginning of free agency period. Mel kipper. The NFL network. On and on.
Scandal. Deflate gate. Free Brady! Drugs. Millionaires knocking women around. DUIs. Steroids. Oh my!
Roger Gooddell as the face of the league. A bumbling, unlikeable, uncharismatic, smarmy, douchey, power hungry attack dog for the owners. Other than 32 Billionaires, who likes this pogue?
Damn, that reads like "We Didn't Start the Fire" by Billy Joel.
KYPack
09-20-2016, 08:43 AM
Market saturation. Sunday night games, Monday night games, Thursday night games. Football 12 months of the year. The draft. The combine. Beginning of free agency period. Mel kipper. The NFL network. On and on.
Scandal. Deflate gate. Free Brady! Drugs. Millionaires knocking women around. DUIs. Steroids. Oh my!
Roger Gooddell as the face of the league. A bumbling, unlikeable, uncharismatic, smarmy, douchey, power hungry attack dog for the owners. Other than 32 Billionaires, who likes this pogue?
Strong work there, George.
Pugger
09-20-2016, 09:31 AM
I stopped watching games live as the cost to follow an out of market team with NFL ticket was too much. I use NFL gamepass now and watch Sunday night or Monday morning. I think a lot of people are cord cutting as well with lots of different streaming options becoming better and more available. Around the same time I decided to stop paying for NFL ticket I also cancelled DirecTV as that was the only reason I had it. I'm saving around $850 a year, but probably more as no doubt DirecTV's prices would go up as they always do.
Try to find someone back in Wisconsin willing and invest in a Slingbox. We are doing it now and it works great. We purchased a refurbished Slingbox on Amazon and set it up in my BIL's house in GB. Anything he gets from his cable company is streamed to us via the internet. We can now watch all of the programming in GB down here. :-)
King Friday
09-27-2016, 10:12 PM
Don't look now, but another arrow in the quiver of those who predict a decline in the future for the NFL, such as Mark Cuban. MNF posted an anemic 5.7 overnight rating this week. Granted, it was up against the CLUMP debate...which had a huge viewership. However, this is yet another example of how the NFL's drive to expand into every nook and cranny of the TV schedule might not be paying dividends. If people see it every day of the week, it isn't special anymore. Good thing they have a game in London at 9:30am Eastern this week...I'm sure lots of people will be tuning in to that one.
Joemailman
09-27-2016, 10:43 PM
Don't look now, but another arrow in the quiver of those who predict a decline in the future for the NFL, such as Mark Cuban. MNF posted an anemic 5.7 overnight rating this week. Granted, it was up against the CLUMP debate...which had a huge viewership. However, this is yet another example of how the NFL's drive to expand into every nook and cranny of the TV schedule might not be paying dividends. If people see it every day of the week, it isn't special anymore. Good thing they have a game in London at 9:30am Eastern this week...I'm sure lots of people will be tuning in to that one.
I think MNF has been in decline for a while. Sunday Night is now the marquee game. I sure don't watch MNF like I used to. You also have 2 teams from the same region of the country who haven't been good for a few years. And you had the debate that more than 80 million people watched.
Giants at Vikings this Monday might give us a better idea where MNF stands.
vince
09-27-2016, 10:51 PM
I'm good with this. Perhaps they'll retrench a bit and build more value into their delivery for more hardcore consumers rather than dumbing it down in a never-ending attempt to expand the market of casual fans upon whom the greatest aspects of the game are almost entirely lost.
channtheman
09-27-2016, 11:46 PM
MNF lost a lot of luster for me when it went to ESPN. Even more so now that I don't have a cable or satellite service. I definitely agree that fewer people care about the"primetime" games on Monday and Thursdays. I just don't care to watch two crap teams play each other. Even the better matchups have lost their appeal on me to some degree.
Bretsky
09-28-2016, 06:53 AM
girl on girl porn is just more enjoyable
SkinBasket
09-28-2016, 07:37 AM
I think you're seeing the decline of the inflated interest that was generated by pushing fantasy football. Just like any other game, though, people move on, and there were a lot of people more invested in games because they had a fantasy stake in a player or two. Fuck, for the past few years, a majority of pre and post game shows were dealing almost exclusively with "fantasy" stats instead of analyzing what those stats meant to the team and their real future.
Combine that with people watching in less traditional ways, and you have a "decline," which I think is simply an end to a boost created by a very successful multi-year marketing tool. I do think there will a longer term slump, as focusing on individual players broke a lot of fans' "loyalty" to specific teams, and football was about the last major sport where team was still the focus. They may need some of those old NFL film type propaganda pieces to start rebuilding the image of what football should be.
Rastak
09-28-2016, 08:30 AM
I think you're seeing the decline of the inflated interest that was generated by pushing fantasy football. Just like any other game, though, people move on, and there were a lot of people more invested in games because they had a fantasy stake in a player or two. Fuck, for the past few years, a majority of pre and post game shows were dealing almost exclusively with "fantasy" stats instead of analyzing what those stats meant to the team and their real future.
Combine that with people watching in less traditional ways, and you have a "decline," which I think is simply an end to a boost created by a very successful multi-year marketing tool. I do think there will a longer term slump, as focusing on individual players broke a lot of fans' "loyalty" to specific teams, and football was about the last major sport where team was still the focus. They may need some of those old NFL film type propaganda pieces to start rebuilding the image of what football should be.
I had a co-worker several years ago who talked football non-stop. He was an avid fantasy player. Week 17 of the season, and I see him in the cafeteria. We're engaging in small talk and he says "What are you doing this Sunday now that football is over?" , I said "You nuts? With a few playoff spots on the line it's gonna be great!", he said "Oh, once the fantasy year ends I'm done".
I was seriously thinking WTF. You can't possibly be serious, but he clearly was.
Harlan Huckleby
09-28-2016, 09:16 AM
Sports are deadly boring unless you really get deeply engaged and learn about the tendencies of individual players. I agree with Vince that appealing to casual fans won't sustain interest for long.
Between college and pro, there's way too much football to expect high interest beyond local fans.
gbgary
09-28-2016, 12:49 PM
i think i heard/read that all sports tv ratings are down.
Don't look now, but another arrow in the quiver of those who predict a decline in the future for the NFL, such as Mark Cuban. MNF posted an anemic 5.7 overnight rating this week. Granted, it was up against the CLUMP debate...which had a huge viewership. However, this is yet another example of how the NFL's drive to expand into every nook and cranny of the TV schedule might not be paying dividends. If people see it every day of the week, it isn't special anymore. Good thing they have a game in London at 9:30am Eastern this week...I'm sure lots of people will be tuning in to that one.
its funny that trump was worried about people not watching him at the debate cause he was worried about people watching MNF instead
when in reality, it was football that should have been worried about the debate stealing all their viewers
vince
09-29-2016, 10:27 PM
I think you're seeing the decline of the inflated interest that was generated by pushing fantasy football. Just like any other game, though, people move on, and there were a lot of people more invested in games because they had a fantasy stake in a player or two. Fuck, for the past few years, a majority of pre and post game shows were dealing almost exclusively with "fantasy" stats instead of analyzing what those stats meant to the team and their real future.
Combine that with people watching in less traditional ways, and you have a "decline," which I think is simply an end to a boost created by a very successful multi-year marketing tool. I do think there will a longer term slump, as focusing on individual players broke a lot of fans' "loyalty" to specific teams, and football was about the last major sport where team was still the focus. They may need some of those old NFL film type propaganda pieces to start rebuilding the image of what football should be.
Good post. I never would have tied it to fantasy football but that's right on.
Tony Oday
09-30-2016, 08:10 AM
I only watch Packer Games now. The rest can chortle my white nuts since apparently I'm a racist that hates the black man and it's all my fault that police shoot poor college bound perfect black children that never ever would hurt someone else.
Cheesehead Craig
09-30-2016, 09:13 AM
The rest can chortle my white nuts since apparently I'm a racist that hates the black man and it's all my fault that police shoot poor college bound perfect black children that never ever would hurt someone else.
So you got that going for you.
3irty1
09-30-2016, 09:33 AM
Sports are suffering across the board but I think the crux of the NFL's issue is their deal with Direct TV on whom the exclusive streaming rights are completely wasted with their expensive garbage service. I'd wager those drops in ratings are due to cord cutting. If NFL Sunday ticket could be purchased ala cart HBOnow style for $10 or $15/mo viewership would climb.
Tony Oday
09-30-2016, 10:50 AM
So you got that going for you.
well that and after a round Looping for the Dali Lamma himself he said I would receive total consciousness on my deathbed.
Tony Oday
09-30-2016, 10:51 AM
Sports are suffering across the board but I think the crux of the NFL's issue is their deal with Direct TV on whom the exclusive streaming rights are completely wasted with their expensive garbage service. I'd wager those drops in ratings are due to cord cutting. If NFL Sunday ticket could be purchased ala cart HBOnow style for $10 or $15/mo viewership would climb.
And Driectv would be GONE!
Harlan Huckleby
09-30-2016, 11:01 AM
69% of the players in the NFL are black.
The fact that blacks and whites see racial issues through a starkly different lens is not news. The OJ acquittal was broadly supported by black players in the last century.
If you demand that players share your world view, you probably ought to stick to tennis, bowling and golf. But even there you'll have to deal with some deplorables.
arcilite
10-05-2016, 09:19 AM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/10/04/tv-ratings-down-again/
Ratings down again.
I mostly agree with what everyone is saying in this thread.
-Over saturation (see: Thursday night football. I never watch those games. Usually garbage)
-I'm getting sick of all the focus on fantasy. I used to play fantasy religiously but stopped a few years ago. It wasn't fun anymore. Now you can't watch a pregame or highlight show without someone talking about fantasy. Nobody cares about your fantasy team.
-Poor prime time matchups
-Players politicizing the game via the kneeling and other demonstrations (Some people watch football as an escape. And don'y want to get reminded of or think of the divisiveness going on in the country right now)
-Piss poor streaming. It is 2016. MLB and NHL have amazing streaming services available to everyone and delvier games in crisp HD. The NFL version is garbage. You either need DirecTV or need to live in a condo. And the service is laggy, cuts out, poor quality that makes me feel like it is 1997 and I'm on my 33.6k modem. I have better luck with illegal streams.
All I can think of right now as reasons for some of my waning interests. I used to watch all the prime-time games. Now I pretty much only watch the Packers.
pbmax
10-05-2016, 09:34 AM
Has anyone watched streaming games on Verizon's package or on Twitter? Curious if those were any good.
Joemailman
10-05-2016, 09:50 AM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/10/04/tv-ratings-down-again/
Ratings down again.
I mostly agree with what everyone is saying in this thread.
-Over saturation (see: Thursday night football. I never watch those games. Usually garbage)
-I'm getting sick of all the focus on fantasy. I used to play fantasy religiously but stopped a few years ago. It wasn't fun anymore. Now you can't watch a pregame or highlight show without someone talking about fantasy. Nobody cares about your fantasy team.
-Poor prime time matchups
-Players politicizing the game via the kneeling and other demonstrations (Some people watch football as an escape. And don'y want to get reminded of or think of the divisiveness going on in the country right now)
-Piss poor streaming. It is 2016. MLB and NHL have amazing streaming services available to everyone and delvier games in crisp HD. The NFL version is garbage. You either need DirecTV or need to live in a condo. And the service is laggy, cuts out, poor quality that makes me feel like it is 1997 and I'm on my 33.6k modem. I have better luck with illegal streams.
All I can think of right now as reasons for some of my waning interests. I used to watch all the prime-time games. Now I pretty much only watch the Packers.
Totally agree that the network focus on fantasy is annoying. I play fantasy, but if I want fantasy information, I can get more complete information online.
I'm now down to watching Packers, Sunday Night, and occasionally Monday Night if it's a really good matchup. Don't watch Thursday Night unless the Packers are playing.
Anybody know if it's just prime-time ratings that are down, or if it's ratings overall? I'm wondering if at some point in the near future declining ratings could have salary cap implications.
arcilite
10-05-2016, 09:55 AM
Totally agree that the network focus on fantasy is annoying. I play fantasy, but if I want fantasy information, I can get more complete information online.
I'm now down to watching Packers, Sunday Night, and occasionally Monday Night if it's a really good matchup. Don't watch Thursday Night unless the Packers are playing.
Anybody know if it's just prime-time ratings that are down, or if it's ratings overall? I'm wondering if at some point in the near future declining ratings could have salary cap implications.
Looks like ratings overall:
the FOX late-afternoon window was down 10 percent. The FOX 1:00 p.m. ET window also saw a decline, with a 20-percent decline from 2015 to 2016.
pbmax
10-05-2016, 10:12 AM
All TV ratings for the networks are falling. Football was a strong holdout for a long time but it was inevitable. I always thought that weakening prime times games (ESPN on Sunday or Monday) was a bad idea. But I have no numbers to back that up.
Why do you want prime time dreck?
There's 1 very explainable reason for the drop in viewership.....Joe Buck
Cheesehead Craig
10-05-2016, 01:56 PM
There's 1 very explainable reason for the drop in viewership.....Joe Buck
red is wise
Harlan Huckleby
10-05-2016, 02:38 PM
red is wise
I agree that red blends the wisdom of Jesus and Larry Flint. But you quoted Zool, for God's sake.
denverYooper
10-05-2016, 04:34 PM
Sports are suffering across the board but I think the crux of the NFL's issue is their deal with Direct TV on whom the exclusive streaming rights are completely wasted with their expensive garbage service. I'd wager those drops in ratings are due to cord cutting. If NFL Sunday ticket could be purchased ala cart HBOnow style for $10 or $15/mo viewership would climb.
This. They are tied to a dinosaur.
I don't care enough to watch anything else on TV besides Packers games. Buying a Satellite package is a huge price to pay to watch the 6 games a year or so that they don't show here.
Cheesehead Craig
10-05-2016, 04:57 PM
I agree that red blends the wisdom of Jesus and Larry Flint. But you quoted Zool, for God's sake.
Shhhhh, nobody was supposed to notice.
red is wise
Fuckin-a right
I agree that red blends the wisdom of Jesus and Larry Flint. But you quoted Zool, for God's sake.
I like this comparison
http://afflictor.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/flyntjesus123.jpg
http://www.jamesaltucher.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/RodneyDangerfield-_orig.jpeg
gbgary
10-06-2016, 09:37 AM
All TV ratings for the networks are falling. Football was a strong holdout for a long time but it was inevitable. I always thought that weakening prime times games (ESPN on Sunday or Monday) was a bad idea. But I have no numbers to back that up.
Why do you want prime time dreck?
there are WAY to many prime time games. it's not the spectacle it once was. predict one per week and hype it up. everyone else at noon and three.
ThunderDan
10-06-2016, 12:47 PM
there are WAY to many prime time games. it's not the spectacle it once was. predict one per week and hype it up. everyone else at noon and three.
Thursday night has to go. Total waste except for Thanksgiving.
Patler
10-06-2016, 01:07 PM
Thursday night has to go. Total waste except for Thanksgiving.
I agree. I'm not even a fan of Sunday night games. Early and late afternoon games are enough. I don't need almost 12 hours of the NFL on Sunday
pbmax
10-06-2016, 03:11 PM
Really, I think we should just blame ESPN (horrible Division matchups for extraordinary money) and Art Modell (Thursday Night games).
pbmax
10-06-2016, 08:50 PM
Its not just this year:
A larger-than-expected number of make-goods so far is stoking concern that the NFL may be in trouble. Last year, one buyer purchased 100 NFL ad spots and got six free commercials to make up for ratings that fell short of estimates. This year, that same buyer acquired 100 ad units and expects to get about 10 make-goods.
The decline in NFL viewership raises new questions about the invincibility of live sports at a time of great anxiety for the media industry, marked by a loss of subscribers to conventional cable and satellite services, falling broadcast-TV ratings and fierce competition from digital outlets. And National Football League games aren’t alone. The Olympics on NBC and the U.S. Open tennis tournament on ESPN also drew fewer viewers than previous years.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-06/tv-networks-forced-to-give-away-ads-as-nfl-viewership-declines
Short version? NFL not immune to effects that are draining viewers from traditional TV.
Harlan Huckleby
10-07-2016, 09:47 AM
The salary cap is bound to come down with shrinking ad revenues. Wonder if some recent fat contracts willl be a drag.
Guiness
10-07-2016, 09:50 AM
Short version? NFL not immune to effects that are draining viewers from traditional TV.
In other news, the sky is blue :roll:
The arrogance of the old billionaires to think their product is so amazing that there's nowhere to go but up...
I think the watering down of the brand is a real thing. Thursday night, as many as 4 games Sunday (London games early morning, 1 o'clock, 4 o'clock, 8:30) and Monday night. Maybe it's all about 'opportunities' to watch a game, but they're spreading out the available eyeballs over a lot of time.
I also agree fantasy popularity has probably peeked and it dropping off. There was a lot of interest, but casual fans who picked it up as a flavour of the month thing are bored with it and playing Clash Royal now.
Patler
10-07-2016, 10:06 AM
The salary cap is bound to come down with shrinking ad revenues. Wonder if some recent fat contracts willl be a drag.
But are revenues shrinking? The contracts with the networs have 5 and 6 years yet to run, so the NFL won't see a decrease until then. Maybe not even the networks:
The networks point out that they offer make-goods every year, and can do so without hurting their revenue. That’s because NFL ad rates are so high, and there are so many games, that inventory rarely sells out, leaving a cushion of unsold commercial time to make it up to advertisers, one ad buyer said.
gbgary
10-07-2016, 11:32 AM
Thursday night has to go. Total waste except for Thanksgiving.
yup. hurts teams involved, contributes to over exposure. it's the second most ridiculous game on the schedule next to the london games. monday should probably go too. make the sunday night game the big deal monday used to be. makes the thanksgiving games truely special again too.
pbmax
10-07-2016, 12:43 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/10/07/nfl-tells-teams-anthem-protests-arent-impacting-ratings/
The memo attributes the drop in viewership to the presidential election. It also claims that the national anthem protests have not affected ratings.
“In fact, our own data shows that the perception of the NFL and its players is actually up in 2016,” the memo explains.
Harlan Huckleby
10-07-2016, 12:56 PM
monday should probably go too. make the sunday night game the big deal monday used to be.
I will green light your request if you make this modification: get rid of ESPN, move the Sunday night production to Monday night. I slightly prefer to watch Monday rather than Sunday because football burnout happens after 2 games.
Harlan Huckleby
10-07-2016, 01:26 PM
http://www.jamesaltucher.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/RodneyDangerfield-_orig.jpeg
That's right, you don't. Your heavy-handed moderating has resulted in fear and loathing. You need to develop a more community policing approach. It wouldn't kill you to learn peoples names, ask about people's families, etc.
Harlan Huckleby
10-07-2016, 01:30 PM
But are revenues shrinking? The contracts with the networs have 5 and 6 years yet to run
OK, but we don't need no stinkin facts. If viewership is dropping, revenue has to follow soon enough. We need gut-level insight, not some pointy-headed bureaucrat. Believe me.
gbgary
10-07-2016, 04:45 PM
That's right, you don't. Your heavy-handed moderating has resulted in fear and loathing. You need to develop a more community policing approach. It wouldn't kill you to learn peoples names, ask about people's families, etc.
stop being mean to what's-his-name!
channtheman
10-07-2016, 04:47 PM
stop being mean to what's-his-name!
Joe the moderator?
gbgary
10-07-2016, 05:15 PM
Joe the moderator?
whoever he was telling to learn people's names. (was a joke)
channtheman
10-07-2016, 06:49 PM
whoever he was telling to learn people's names. (was a joke)
Oh I know, just playing along.
gbgary
10-08-2016, 02:46 PM
Oh I know, just playing along.
dang it! went over my head. crapped on my hat as it went by.
NewsBruin
10-11-2016, 01:55 PM
It seems weird to talk about bad online streaming as a reason ratings are down.
Fantasy got me interested in other teams I wouldn't have watched otherwise and matchup strategy, but it's also (after 15 years) made players feel even more anonymous and replaceable.
Also, for gamblers and non-gamblers, I wonder whether FF is still a draw. For gamblers, FF has gone the way of online poker, where more folks saw the wins concentrated in the wallets of whales harvesting newbies' money (and then all being shut down by the feds). For non-gamblers, like me, maybe a lot of them have "figured out" the game to where the time investment in players is no longer worth the thrill of victory. When my league drafted this year, most of my players were whomever Yahoo had at the top of their position, with me shrugging and saying, "Sure, why not?"
For me, I feel like I've aged out of following players younger than me, playing out the same drama lines I've seen before. At least the kneeling protests are something novel.
pbmax
10-11-2016, 04:15 PM
This was peak NFL:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CugtnclWYAEedjz.jpg:large
I loved that team.
Could be the downturn have anything to do with almost 10% of teams in the last year either leaving or trying to leave their loyal fan bases in the quest by their owners for more money?
ThunderDan
10-12-2016, 01:37 PM
How about there is only so much time a week I can watch football?
It doesn't matter how many primetime games they put out there. I am going to watch the Packers and maybe a half of the Sunday or Monday night game before doing household chores. The lawn don't mow itself.
George Cumby
10-12-2016, 11:58 PM
+1, Dan.
Kids, wife, job, house, dogs, chickens, kids.
I don't have 30 minutes of discretionary time, let alone three hours.
Harlan Huckleby
10-13-2016, 06:27 AM
Fantasy got me interested in other teams I wouldn't have watched otherwise and matchup strategy, but it's also (after 15 years) made players feel even more anonymous and replaceable.
I hadn't thought about this angle. Everybody has their own ax to grind on why the NFL is losing interest; mine is that players have become interchangeable parts. Fantasy football probably contributes as much to that perception as the constantly churning rosters.
George Cumby
10-13-2016, 10:36 AM
Plus, how many dick-pill and shitty beer commercials does one have to endure if watching a game live? I sure as shit don't need dick pills and I don't drink that goat urine that passes for mass market "beer".
Fritz
10-13-2016, 10:43 AM
This was peak NFL:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CugtnclWYAEedjz.jpg:large
I loved that team.
I lived in Maryland at the time of the weird loss in what, the AFC Championship game, was it? Was that the one against the Broncos? Where the Brownies had the game, and somebody fumbled or some damn thing after Marty decided to sit on the lead. I liked the Browns - the tradition, y'know? But after they lost, it kinda broke their spirit, like Houston's spirit got broken after the Bills' comeback playoff game.
Mike Pruitt. I loved that guy. He was shifty and quick.
Packers could use a Mike Pruitt.
Harlan Huckleby
10-13-2016, 10:57 AM
Plus, how many dick-pill and shitty beer commercials does one have to endure if watching a game live?
I've found the marathon games are more endurable if you interact with the dicks and pills on the packerrats game thread during commercials. In fact, it is the greatest benefit of your packerrat membership.
pbmax
10-13-2016, 11:13 AM
Muting the game is the best coping mechanism.
Anti-Polar Bear
10-13-2016, 12:27 PM
Plus, how many dick-pill and shitty beer commercials does one have to endure if watching a game live? I sure as shit don't need dick pills and I don't drink that goat urine that passes for mass market "beer".
As someone who works out 4 days a week, I only drink light beer. I've tried Bud Light and Coors Light. Hated 'em.
Miller Lite, however, is the bomb. My taste buds love it.
Anti-Polar Bear
10-13-2016, 12:33 PM
I, too, mainly watch the Packers. Not sure why I am still shelling out big bucks for DirecTv and the Sunday Tix, when the only other shows I watch beside the Pack are Family Guy, the Simpsons and The Big Bang Theory, all of which can now be watched in cyberspace.
Maybe it's cos I have no wife, no life and no future shutdown corner offspring. :(
channtheman
10-23-2016, 09:44 PM
Thursday Night Football only available on NFL Network. Jags/Titans. :lol: I hope the NFL drops this Thursday garbage after this year.
Joemailman
10-23-2016, 11:33 PM
Thursday Night Football only available on NFL Network. Jags/Titans. :lol: I hope the NFL drops this Thursday garbage after this year.
This could be the smallest tv audience ever for a nationally televised game. Still, I'm sure the NFL is making money on the games so they're here to stay.
King Friday
10-31-2016, 09:05 PM
Just to keep the vibe going...
Game 5 of the World Series dominated the Sunday Night Football matchup between Dallas and Philly in terms of TV viewership. The World Series has had some games in the past outdraw prime time NFL matchups...but that was usually against weak matchups and/or teams from smaller TV markets. I think the last time this happened, Indy and New Orleans were playing the NFL game...and those are 2 of the smaller NFL TV markets. This was a strong SNF game this week with the huge viewership of the Dallas Cowboys and a pretty solid Philly market to draw from...and they still couldn't beat baseball.
Overall, viewership of the prime time NFL games is still trending toward the range of -20% this year across the board.
pbmax
10-31-2016, 09:38 PM
Just to keep the vibe going...
Game 5 of the World Series dominated the Sunday Night Football matchup between Dallas and Philly in terms of TV viewership. The World Series has had some games in the past outdraw prime time NFL matchups...but that was usually against weak matchups and/or teams from smaller TV markets. I think the last time this happened, Indy and New Orleans were playing the NFL game...and those are 2 of the smaller NFL TV markets. This was a strong SNF game this week with the huge viewership of the Dallas Cowboys and a pretty solid Philly market to draw from...and they still couldn't beat baseball.
Overall, viewership of the prime time NFL games is still trending toward the range of -20% this year across the board.
Helps that its been a fun series. Even the 7-2 game developed slowly and had a lot of tension. Been a blast to watch and I generally cannot stand baseball on TV.
Sports on TV ranked
1. Football
2. Basketball
3. Soccer
4. Hockey
(big drop)
5. Baseball
Sports in Stadium
1. Hockey
2. Baseball
3. Basketball
4. Football
Maxie the Taxi
10-31-2016, 11:24 PM
Helps that its been a fun series. Even the 7-2 game developed slowly and had a lot of tension. Been a blast to watch and I generally cannot stand baseball on TV.
Sports on TV ranked
1. Football
2. Golf
3. Baseball
4. Women's Softball
(incredibly huge drop)
5. Soccer
FIFY :-)
pbmax
11-01-2016, 08:49 AM
Golf is great on TV. Nothing better to watch and take a nap with.
My wife thinks it horrible to watch, but I don't think she appreciates the nap benefit.
Maxie the Taxi
11-01-2016, 10:49 AM
I've watched every second of all four majors this year. My wife was right beside me. I guess we got to get a life.
pbmax
11-01-2016, 01:58 PM
I've watched every second of all four majors this year. My wife was right beside me. I guess we got to get a life.
Living large. My wife does want to learn to play golf though, so there is that.
Golf is great on TV. Nothing better to watch and take a nap with.
My wife thinks it horrible to watch, but I don't think she appreciates the nap benefit.
Lol, I'm right with you, watching golf is nap time. When I was younger it was baseball. The key is something that won't perk you interest and make you open your eyes
Golf on tv is perfect for that
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