WHAT IS MOST AT FAULT FOR THE PACKERS SUCKING ASS AND LOSING

[Bretsky]

Trying to create a poll here

[channtheman]

Watched the game this morning and after we missed the 3rd and goal to take the lead, I said out loud, "well, at least we tied it." Nope.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvdf5n-zI14

[Maxie the Taxi]

Trying to create a poll hereDon't forget "Other." :-)

[King Friday]

This is entirely on the head coach...the guy who is supposed to be an offensive genius.

Rodgers may be screwing up with his mechanics and turning into a giant moist pussy if any defender gets within 4 yards of him, but that's on McCarthy to fix because that has been happening for awhile now. He shows no ability to craft a game plan that is unique to an opponent on a regular basis. The offense just keeps doing the same damn thing with the same damn players (GOD FORBID we let Abby or Monty play a down at WR) because McCarthy is convinced the issue can't possibly be his pea sized brain.

[Joemailman]

If I had the option, I would have chosen the top 3. Since I had to choose 1, I went with Rodgers. That was a winnable game in the 4th quarter, and Rodgers turned the ball over twice.

[MadtownPacker]

1.Bretsky jinxing them with his negativity.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Other - inability to cover Diggs.

[vince]

If I had the option, I would have chosen the top 3. Since I had to choose 1, I went with Rodgers. That was a winnable game in the 4th quarter, and Rodgers turned the ball over twice.Yup. The strip fumble wasn't on him unless you want to say he held it too long. In general he's not confident his guys are going to separate and it's making him skiddish and inconsistent. It's still on Rodgers but they need to somehow force him to get the ball out quicker more consistently a la Brady/Manning.

[texaspackerbacker]

Seriously? 7 out of 9 got it wrong?

One of the three primary culprits wasn't even there - the O Line. I put the blame on TT for that and voted for him. McCarthy's damn run-first play calling is right up there too. How can 7 of you guys actually see Aaron Rodgers as the primary problem? Yeah, he was guilty of giving up the ball/trying to do too much himself, but what the hell made that necessary? Poor O Line blocking and poor play calling - plays relying on that lame O Line and taking the ball out of the hands of the superstar.

[Carolina_Packer]

There's a disturbance in the force. Obi Mike Cannoli must overcome the dark side of his brain telling him to run Starks on 4th and 1 when Buck Rodgers has single coverage to go around. Take the points Mike! Take the points!

[vince]

Seriously? 7 out of 9 got it wrong?

One of the three primary culprits wasn't even there - the O Line. I put the blame on TT for that and voted for him. McCarthy's damn run-first play calling is right up there too. How can 7 of you guys actually see Aaron Rodgers as the primary problem? Yeah, he was guilty of giving up the ball/trying to do too much himself, but what the hell made that necessary? Poor O Line blocking and poor play calling - plays relying on that lame O Line and taking the ball out of the hands of the superstar.
The Packers pass play percentage is 13th highest in the league thus far at 61.29% and it was 65% Sunday night.

[Maxie the Taxi]

The Packers pass play percentage is 13th highest in the league thus far at 61.29% and it was 65% Sunday night.I wonder what the percentage is for 1st down passes.

[texaspackerbacker]

The Packers pass play percentage is 13th highest in the league thus far at 61.29% and it was 65% Sunday night.

As Maxie said, not very good on 1st down. Also, as I said in the other thread, back loaded in desperation time - after the damage was done.

But even taken at face value, 13th highest in the league when you have the greatest QB and a mediocre O Line just ain't nearly high enough.

[vince]

I wonder what the percentage is for 1st down passes.

Run/Pass on 1st Down
Packers 57/43
Arizona 58/42
Patriots 59/41
Steelers 63/37

Not sure which other contending team you might want to compare, but the Packers pass more on 1st down than AZ, NE and Pittsburgh.

Splits for every team are available on ESPN's stats site.

[pbmax]

I would have voted for both M3 and Rodgers, but could only choose one. Went with the Head Man in Charge.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Run/Pass on 1st Down
Packers 57/43
Arizona 58/42
Patriots 59/41
Steelers 63/37

Not sure which other contending team you might want to compare, but the Packers pass more on 1st down than AZ, NE and Pittsburgh.

Splits for every team are available on ESPN's stats site.I think what Tex and maybe I are saying is the percentages should be reversed. What's wrong with throwing 57% of the time on 1st down -- especially considering the throw might be short to a back or a WR screen, i.e., a glorified run?

[Tony Oday]

AR is missing open WR, can't accurately throw the deep ball for some reason and is missing slants.

[Smidgeon]

The Packers pass play percentage is 13th highest in the league thus far at 61.29% and it was 65% Sunday night.

So middle of the pack (Top 40%).

Calling a team the 13th highest when the total population is so small is misleading. Even Top 10 gets some statistical normalcy for any stat (31% of the teams are in the top 10). Anything outside the top 5 isn't really a statistical outlier. It's in the middle with some variance.

[Harlan Huckleby]

My answer is weak effort by the receivers. I have no idea if that is due to MM or TT or the position coach. I answered #4, TT, because it is the closest option that Bretsky provided. Maybe the players suck.

[ThunderDan]

I put the blame on ARod so far this year.

I laugh to myself seeing all the people mad that Mike kicked FGs in the SEA playoff game, went for 1 against ARI to go to OT and kicked the FG against JAX are the same people that are made that Mike went for it on 4 and 2 in this game.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I laugh to myself seeing all the people mad that Mike kicked FGs in the SEA playoff game, went for 1 against ARI to go to OT and kicked the FG against JAX are the same people that are made that Mike went for it on 4 and 2 in this game.

:idea: Maybe every game is very different. In a close game where the offense is struggling to score, a field goal becomes more sensible. Lots of factors to consider. It is hard to see any plausible justification for MM's bonehead decision against Minnesota.

[Maxie the Taxi]

:idea: Maybe every game is very different. In a close game where the offense is struggling to score, a field goal becomes more sensible. Lots of factors to consider. It is hard to see any plausible justification for MM's bonehead decision against Minnesota.Now a sensible personality has hijacked your thread.:-)

[pbmax]

I put the blame on ARod so far this year.

I laugh to myself seeing all the people mad that Mike kicked FGs in the SEA playoff game, went for 1 against ARI to go to OT and kicked the FG against JAX are the same people that are made that Mike went for it on 4 and 2 in this game.

Hey, I resemble that remark. Its all about context.

[wist43]

Our personnel are, for the most part, average. Add to that a stale offense, and MM's refusal to adjust, and you have a recipe for prolonged struggles and mediocrity.

Personnel: We're pretty average everywhere on offense with the exception of QB. I considered the OL to be average going into the season, but with the loss of Sitton, and the starters struggling as they are, there's no other way to look at the group as being anything but average at best.

- Our WR's are average across the board. Jordy can elevate us to above average if he returns to form, but he's on the downside of his career now, and there aren't any "up-and-comers" waiting in the wings.

- Our RB's are average. It has become such a devalued position the past 5-8 years that the term itself is probably moot. That said, MM and TT both share the blame for not being flexible enough to roster a 3rd down specialist with speed and quickness that can act as a threat out of the backfield on passing downs.

Opposing LB's don't have to concern themselves in the least with dealing with a threat out of the backfield in passing situations; hence, they are able to get good depth on their drops or drag underneath routes while the DB's have coverage over the top. It makes for some very small windows for Rodgers to throw into. This is one of MM's biggest failures as an offensive coach.

Beyond the lack of threat from the backfield on passing downs, MM has completely gotten away from west coast principles. Sitting in zones, adjusting routes, taking what the defense gives you... it all seems to be completely lost on MM.

On defense: We're not terrible on defense, and the personnel overall are probably bit better than average. Daniels has turned into a real stud, Matthews can still play, both safeties are above average, and when Shields is on the field, our corners are above average. Without Shields, everyone has to move up a spot, and we simply don't the depth/talent to maintain a high level of play with him gone.

Our LB's overall, sans Matthews, are not very good at all. Ryan and Martinez are both limited athletically and their ceilings are not high. Don't have much faith that Fackrell will develop into anything special.

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Most of that is TT's fault - but McCarthy has had a lot of input into the problems that plague our team.

TT will never change his approach, and unless MM gets his head out of his ass and changes his?? We're doomed to continue floundering like this indefinitely. Either MM has to change, or we need to start talking about overall regime change.

[smuggler]

I'm going to say the offensive scheme (MM). They dumbed things down a bit a few seasons back. They never try to fool anyone with their routes. They just try to win the matchups. That works great when you outmatch people. Not so well when your receivers can't run free in the secondary because they aren't that much better than the corners covering them.

[Bretsky]

1.Bretsky jinxing them with his negativity.

ah..........keep in mind my negativity led GB to their last Super Bowl Title aka my game day prediction threads :)

[Bretsky]

I would have voted for both M3 and Rodgers, but could only choose one. Went with the Head Man in Charge.


My threads are not for the politically correct flippers; I want everybody to take a stand ! lol

[Joemailman]

ah..........keep in mind my negativity led GB to their last Super Bowl Title aka my game day prediction threads :)

Great. You can have the Game Day Thread on Sunday. Start thinking about why the packers will lose. Whammy II!

[Rastak]

ah..........keep in mind my negativity led GB to their last Super Bowl Title aka my game day prediction threads :)

You heard Mad, knock off the negativity now.

:-P

[Bretsky]

MM needs to re examine what he's doing and then offer some sharp critiques of AROD< which may be his greatest challenge.

He's choosing to nearly go full time with 3 WR's in Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, and Devante Adams
He seems to have went away from his old forte....3 step drops and rhythym passes....many slants...back shoulder grabs. I miss that offense
And don't think he's controlling AROD well, who seems quick to bail from pocket, and wander aimlessly while the 3 WR's fail to get open.

It's time for MM to get a bit more creative, and it's time for AROD to re asset himself as top 5 QB because right now he is not one of them

[Bretsky]

One more note for Shithead...aka....>THANKSTED

Don't think for one dam second you kicking our best OL f Josh Sitton to the dam curb...or worse than the curb..the flippin Chicago Bears....isn't contributing to our failures on offense

[call_me_ishmael]

I would like to see more 4 WR, some 5 WR, 2 WR with MM/Cobb in backfield, etc.

It sure doesn't feel like they're a hurry up, fast moving, high powered offense, does it?

[Bretsky]

It seems like MM if failing miserably in his creativity......how about Randall in the backfield and the others in a 4 wide....or add Abby and Cook to that package instead of Montgomery.....maybe players can get consistently open then and allow AROD to get into a good rhythym.......................

QUESTION FOR YALL.................HOW MANY GAMES HAS IT BEEN SINCE AROD had a 100 QB RATING ????????????????????????

The answer might scare you.

[Joemailman]

One more note for Shithead...aka....>THANKSTED

Don't think for one dam second you kicking our best OL f Josh Sitton to the dam curb...or worse than the curb..the flippin Chicago Bears....isn't contributing to our failures on offense

Based on what? The offense doesn't look different without Sitton than it did last year with him. Taylor isn't as good as Sitton, bur Guard play isn't what has ailed this offense for the last 14 games.

[pbmax]

One more note for Shithead...aka....>THANKSTED

Don't think for one dam second you kicking our best OL f Josh Sitton to the dam curb...or worse than the curb..the flippin Chicago Bears....isn't contributing to our failures on offense

Its not. Taylor is actually playing pretty well.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Its not. Taylor is actually playing pretty well.At this point, the problem might be getting the line cohesive. I remember one play in particular from Sunday, where the Vikes rushed five against our five and instead of blocking one on one, our Olinemen doubled-teamed two Vikings unnecessarily, leaving two others totally unblocked with a clear path to Arod who, as usual, had to bail too early. Obvious communication/familiarity problem.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Our personnel are, for the most part, average. Add to that a stale offense, and MM's refusal to adjust, and you have a recipe for prolonged struggles and mediocrity.

Personnel: We're pretty average everywhere on offense with the exception of QB. I considered the OL to be average going into the season, but with the loss of Sitton, and the starters struggling as they are, there's no other way to look at the group as being anything but average at best.

- Our WR's are average across the board. Jordy can elevate us to above average if he returns to form, but he's on the downside of his career now, and there aren't any "up-and-comers" waiting in the wings.

- Our RB's are average. It has become such a devalued position the past 5-8 years that the term itself is probably moot. That said, MM and TT both share the blame for not being flexible enough to roster a 3rd down specialist with speed and quickness that can act as a threat out of the backfield on passing downs.

Opposing LB's don't have to concern themselves in the least with dealing with a threat out of the backfield in passing situations; hence, they are able to get good depth on their drops or drag underneath routes while the DB's have coverage over the top. It makes for some very small windows for Rodgers to throw into. This is one of MM's biggest failures as an offensive coach.

Beyond the lack of threat from the backfield on passing downs, MM has completely gotten away from west coast principles. Sitting in zones, adjusting routes, taking what the defense gives you... it all seems to be completely lost on MM.

On defense: We're not terrible on defense, and the personnel overall are probably bit better than average. Daniels has turned into a real stud, Matthews can still play, both safeties are above average, and when Shields is on the field, our corners are above average. Without Shields, everyone has to move up a spot, and we simply don't the depth/talent to maintain a high level of play with him gone.

Our LB's overall, sans Matthews, are not very good at all. Ryan and Martinez are both limited athletically and their ceilings are not high. Don't have much faith that Fackrell will develop into anything special.

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Most of that is TT's fault - but McCarthy has had a lot of input into the problems that plague our team.

TT will never change his approach, and unless MM gets his head out of his ass and changes his?? We're doomed to continue floundering like this indefinitely. Either MM has to change, or we need to start talking about overall regime change.

A very well thought out post wist and not one mention of Spraypainthair. I think your comments about the RBs and thus the effect by the opposing LBs are fantastic.

[red]

MM needs to re examine what he's doing and then offer some sharp critiques of AROD< which may be his greatest challenge.

He's choosing to nearly go full time with 3 WR's in Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, and Devante Adams
He seems to have went away from his old forte....3 step drops and rhythym passes....many slants...back shoulder grabs. I miss that offense
And don't think he's controlling AROD well, who seems quick to bail from pocket, and wander aimlessly while the 3 WR's fail to get open.

It's time for MM to get a bit more creative, and it's time for AROD to re asset himself as top 5 QB because right now he is not one of them

That's probably something they should have done in the preseason/off season. Not now

No excuse for not seeing the problem was there last year, And not doing anything to fix it

[Bretsky]

At this point, the problem might be getting the line cohesive. I remember one play in particular from Sunday, where the Vikes rushed five against our five and instead of blocking one on one, our Olinemen doubled-teamed two Vikings unnecessarily, leaving two others totally unblocked with a clear path to Arod who, as usual, had to bail too early. Obvious communication/familiarity problem.

:clap::bclap:

[RashanGary]

Aaron has been bad for 14 games in a row. He holds the ball. He doesn't adapt. He's stubborn. He needs this media butt chewing. He's stubborn as fuck. It might take him a couple more games to surrender and just do regular things right again.

[RashanGary]

Listening to his presser right now. He's been a great player, but boy he deserves this. It reminds me to stay humble. I can be good at things I do. I need to stay humble and coachable in life. Seeing him defensive and edgy, when it's happening to me, I never feel like I deserve it, but seeing him get it, he does deserve it and I do sometimes too. This is good for him!

[Bretsky]

Aaron has been bad for 14 games in a row. He holds the ball. He doesn't adapt. He's stubborn. He needs this media butt chewing. He's stubborn as fuck. It might take him a couple more games to surrender and just do regular things right again.


You answered my trivia question; it's been 14 games since AROD had a QB rating of 100
that was shocking when I heard that

[wpony]

I wish you would have other had other up there to I blame both McCarthy and Cappers and the reason is McCarthy almost never plays the starting players enough in preseason you can see it every yr. we start the first few games slow then about the 3rd or 4th game we come together and we are usually almost unstoppable for the rest of the yr. and that correlates with the length of a normal preseason ,
I have hated it ever since we cut down the preseason the players dont get enough work to get them selves into football condition they can come in all strong and ready to hit the weights or run but nothing gets them ready to play like hitting each other in practice they have to loosen there bodies up to get away from injuries in the long run they are coming in wound up strong but not but like Rodgers said last yr. relax LOL , just two or 3 more games of preseason games during the season and as long as Cappers quits putting 8 in the box and letting their QB throw play catch but dont worry at least we have there run stopped we would have even made Bridgewater a HOLF QB That last game and i think he is a fine QB for thier system just really hated to see the Packers make the vikings passing game look fantastic this week.
Against Carolina i predict Carolina and there good defense will sack Bradford 4 times with 3 picks..
Sorry Raf I am really not trying to put down your Vikingsjust putting down McCarthys preason plan and C.appers ruffusing to change and getting out coached on D again and again and again.

[Radagast]

IMO , the lack of speed has hurt the GB Offense the most . Lacy has strength but lacks real speed. WR Nelson and TE Cooks have good hands but lack speed. Cobb is a WR2 at best and does not have have lightning speed. WR (Stone Hands) Adams, well ... Aaron Rodgers does not have the foot speed that he once had, but if his personal had more speed that might not be an issue .

Did I mention that GB has lacked speed ! :pc:

[Anti-Polar Bear]

IMO , the lack of speed has hurt the GB Offense the most . Lacy has strength but lacks real speed. WR Nelson and TE Cooks have good hands but lack speed. Cobb is a WR2 at best and does not have have lightning speed. WR (Stone Hands) Adams, well ... Aaron Rodgers does not have the foot speed that he once had, but if his personal had more speed that might not be an issue .

Did I mention that GB has lacked speed ! :pc:

Worry not. Janis is our lord and savior. Just wait til J-Jan loses the boxing glove.

[Zool]

IMO , the lack of speed has hurt the GB Offense the most . Lacy has strength but lacks real speed. WR Nelson and TE Cooks have good hands but lack speed. Cobb is a WR2 at best and does not have have lightning speed. WR (Stone Hands) Adams, well ... Aaron Rodgers does not have the foot speed that he once had, but if his personal had more speed that might not be an issue .

Did I mention that GB has lacked speed ! :pc:

If Cook and Nelson lack speed, then WTF does a fast player look like?

[Anti-Polar Bear]

If Cook and Nelson lack speed, then WTF does a fast player look like?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_k7-y6PGpU

[Fritz]

I'm disappointed a bit in a few people/features of this offense:

Davante Adams - I said he'd be fine, and he may still be, but he doesn't seem to be coming down with the kinds of catches he needs to make to be effective. He's got to catch the ball better in traffic since he's not going to get wide wide open often, but so far, not so much. And he's got to fight harder to keep guys from cutting inside of him and getting the ball.

Aaron Rodgers. Man, I didn't like the tone of his remarks. He reminded me of the CEO of Wells Fargo - "Yeah, I'm taking responsibility, which is what leaders do, even when it's not their fault." Christ, has "taking responsibility" pretty much turned into "It's not my fault," or what? Rodgers is missing, more and more, his open receivers. He's not going through progressions. He's waiting and waiting and waiting and running around, waiting for that one guy to get open and putting his linemen in a bad situation. He's not stepping into throws. And what was that "I have awards for my fundamentals so there, nah nah" thing? That sounded like a fourteen year old boy reacting to criticism.

McCarthy - I am afraid that MM may have gone all Mike Sherman on Rodgers. I'm hoping MM is still actually in charge, and has the cojones to tell Rodgers he's got to go through his progessions, and he does have to go back to QB school to review how to step into a throw. I'm hoping MM will emphasize first downs more and big plays less. Oh, and since one of the remarks you often hear from announcers when a QB is playing a great game is "This guy has connected with eight different receivers today! He's hitting everyone!" I wish Mikey Mike would play Abbrederis and Montgomery more, and maybe even Davis. Oh, and when it's fourth and two, put your big boy in, not Starks.

Jacob Schum. C'mon, man. You were punting in a dome, dude. We want Don Bracken, not Derrick Frost.

[Smidgeon]

I'm disappointed a bit in a few people/features of this offense:

Davante Adams - I said he'd be fine, and he may still be, but he doesn't seem to be coming down with the kinds of catches he needs to make to be effective. He's got to catch the ball better in traffic since he's not going to get wide wide open often, but so far, not so much. And he's got to fight harder to keep guys from cutting inside of him and getting the ball.

Aaron Rodgers. Man, I didn't like the tone of his remarks. He reminded me of the CEO of Wells Fargo - "Yeah, I'm taking responsibility, which is what leaders do, even when it's not their fault." Christ, has "taking responsibility" pretty much turned into "It's not my fault," or what? Rodgers is missing, more and more, his open receivers. He's not going through progressions. He's waiting and waiting and waiting and running around, waiting for that one guy to get open and putting his linemen in a bad situation. He's not stepping into throws. And what was that "I have awards for my fundamentals so there, nah nah" thing? That sounded like a fourteen year old boy reacting to criticism.

McCarthy - I am afraid that MM may have gone all Mike Sherman on Rodgers. I'm hoping MM is still actually in charge, and has the cojones to tell Rodgers he's got to go through his progessions, and he does have to go back to QB school to review how to step into a throw. I'm hoping MM will emphasize first downs more and big plays less. Oh, and since one of the remarks you often hear from announcers when a QB is playing a great game is "This guy has connected with eight different receivers today! He's hitting everyone!" I wish Mikey Mike would play Abbrederis and Montgomery more, and maybe even Davis. Oh, and when it's fourth and two, put your big boy in, not Starks.

Jacob Schum. C'mon, man. You were punting in a dome, dude. We want Don Bracken, not Derrick Frost.

And what the hell was that "I don't like the drill, but I did it to show I was a team player" bit? You are a team member and not above drills even if you don't like them. Are you suddenly more important than everyone else where you can pick and choose how you practice? YOU FUMBLED THREE TIMES!!! You did. Not your offensive line that you threw under the bus.

My word. One of the worst pressers I've heard from him.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I'm disappointed a bit in a few people/features of this offense:

https://my2bucks.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/festivus-3.jpg


sorry for the rerun, but that image is exactly how I picture Fritz in my mind's eye.

[Radagast]

Wow Harlan , that's quite an image . Almost as bad as Zool's avatar ! LOL

[Bretsky]

IMO , the lack of speed has hurt the GB Offense the most . Lacy has strength but lacks real speed. WR Nelson and TE Cooks have good hands but lack speed. Cobb is a WR2 at best and does not have have lightning speed. WR (Stone Hands) Adams, well ... Aaron Rodgers does not have the foot speed that he once had, but if his personal had more speed that might not be an issue .

Did I mention that GB has lacked speed ! :pc:

:bclap::bclap::bclap::bclap::bclap:

well deserving five clap post.
That is why they brought in Davis as well.
They need a WR to stretch the field.

[Bretsky]

If Cook and Nelson lack speed, then WTF does a fast player look like?


I don't think Nelson has 100% if his speed back, he used to run great routes and was fast enough. Many ACL tears take the 2nd year to get back to full speed. That might be the case here cause Jordy is not creating separation

[Bretsky]

I'm disappointed a bit in a few people/features of this offense:

Davante Adams - I said he'd be fine, and he may still be, but he doesn't seem to be coming down with the kinds of catches he needs to make to be effective. He's got to catch the ball better in traffic since he's not going to get wide wide open often, but so far, not so much. And he's got to fight harder to keep guys from cutting inside of him and getting the ball.


THERE IS ROOM ON THE FRESNO FRAUD TRAIN FRITZ.......BUT IT"S GETTING LOADED SO FAST THERE IS NOT MUCH ROOM AND THE TRAIN'S LEAVING THE STATION SOON. I've always liked Montgomery more for sure
Aaron Rodgers. Man, I didn't like the tone of his remarks. He reminded me of the CEO of Wells Fargo - "Yeah, I'm taking responsibility, which is what leaders do, even when it's not their fault." Christ, has "taking responsibility" pretty much turned into "It's not my fault," or what? Rodgers is missing, more and more, his open receivers. He's not going through progressions. He's waiting and waiting and waiting and running around, waiting for that one guy to get open and putting his linemen in a bad situation. He's not stepping into throws. And what was that "I have awards for my fundamentals so there, nah nah" thing? That sounded like a fourteen year old boy reacting to criticism.

HIS INTERVIEW KIND OF SUCKED; But he's not use to taking much criticism and definitely not for an extended period of time. And he's a little short fused anyways. He just needs to play better or it will get worse.

McCarthy - I am afraid that MM may have gone all Mike Sherman on Rodgers. I'm hoping MM is still actually in charge, and has the cojones to tell Rodgers he's got to go through his progessions, and he does have to go back to QB school to review how to step into a throw. I'm hoping MM will emphasize first downs more and big plays less. Oh, and since one of the remarks you often hear from announcers when a QB is playing a great game is "This guy has connected with eight different receivers today! He's hitting everyone!" I wish Mikey Mike would play Abbrederis and Montgomery more, and maybe even Davis. Oh, and when it's fourth and two, put your big boy in, not Starks.
AMEN......FIVE CLAP REMARKS


Jacob Schum. C'mon, man. You were punting in a dome, dude. We want Don Bracken, not Derrick Frost.



Great points

[Maxie the Taxi]

My word. One of the worst pressers I've heard from him.I thought it was interesting that he thinks the Packers are a "West Coast offense."

[Bossman641]

:bclap::bclap::bclap::bclap::bclap:

well deserving five clap post.
That is why they brought in Davis as well.
They need a WR to stretch the field.

I'm not even sure we need a guy who can stretch the field as much as we need a guy who can catch a pass and run away from the defense

[Bretsky]

I'm not even sure we need a guy who can stretch the field as much as we need a guy who can catch a pass and run away from the defense


Agree.........or what I've been begging for the past five years...a Darren Sproles like scat back with speed

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Agree.........or what I've been begging for the past five years...a Darren Sproles like scat back with speed

Pack had DuJuan Harris. Rather than develop Harris, they let him go.

[pbmax]

Pack had DuJuan Harris. Rather than develop Harris, they let him go.

Eminently replaceable. As the Jags and Seahawks figured out.

[Joemailman]

Pack had DuJuan Harris. Rather than develop Harris, they let him go.

Maybe they let him go because he didn't develop. He does get around. He's been with 8 different teams since 2011.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Eminently replaceable. As the Jags and Seahawks figured out.

Fuck the Jags and Seagulls. Harris was that short, quick, fast, change-of-the-pace, make-world-peace back who could magically gain a yard when a yard is needed, unlike Fat Lacy and Grandma Starks. Harris was also a better receiver out of the backfield than Starks and Lacy was, is and will ever be. And unlike Starks and Lacy, Harris was a home-run threat who could score from anywhere in the redzone.

Lots of folks seem to have forgotten Harris' performance in the playoffs. Dude provided rhythm in the passing game against Minnesota, and he was the only Packer O-player who didn't fear the Niners' fearsome D.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Maybe they let him go because he didn't develop. He does get around. He's been with 8 different teams since 2011.

Methinks Cash, a fat back in his heyday, wasn't too fond of "midget" RBs. McCarthy gives his assistants much leeway on playing time, and Cash didn't play Harris much. Probably recommended Thompson let Harris walk. Ultimately, the decision was Thompson's.

Remember the time when Thompson cut Ryan for Frost? That proves that the Polar Bear ain't always competent. Cutting Harris was clearly an incompetent move.

[pbmax]

And unlike Starks and Lacy, Harris was a home-run threat who could score from anywhere in the redzone. .

A home run threat from the red zone? That's good material. Maybe you can take Caliendos's place on FOX's pregame show.

But he would have to be a home run threat from short distance, as his career log run with GB was 21 yards :lol:

Plodding Starks? 65. Fat Lacy? 60.

[Tony Oday]

Harris was bad. If you want to bitch about a guy that was released that hurt it really is Taco Wallace.

[Fritz]

Maybe they let him go because he didn't develop. He does get around. He's been with 8 different teams since 2011.

So has Torrance Marshall's girlfriend.

[Radagast]

I'm not even sure we need a guy who can stretch the field as much as we need a guy who can catch a pass and run away from the defense

The idea of WRs/RBs with real speed , as relates to the passing game, is to 1st create separation from their defender with speed . Next they must catch the football, before they run with it . Then, after they catch the football, they need to gain ground if they can. The most important thing is to 1st get open for the QB to have a target to pass to .


The 2016 Packers are currently suffering from a bad case of slow.

:soap:

[Fritz]

Funny, I don't think of them that way. Maybe Davante Adams isn't fast, but Nelson's still pretty fast, as is Cobb. As is Montgomery. And Cook. And Davis. And Janis, if he ever gets on the field as a wide receiver.

[Radagast]

Funny, I don't think of them that way. Maybe Davante Adams isn't fast, but Nelson's still pretty fast, as is Cobb. As is Montgomery. And Cook. And Davis. And Janis, if he ever gets on the field as a wide receiver.

"If, ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'ed all have a merry Christmas" .

Would have, could have, should have ? Put that supposed speed on the field , if they can run the correct routes/catch footballs . MM must know the reason that they don't see playing time/see pass attempts .

:glug:

[Fritz]

"If 'buts' and 'ifs' were burgers and splifs, we'd all have a Merry Christmas."

[texaspackerbacker]

There's adequate speed, then there's difference-making speed. Yeah, Nelson had and hopefully still has decent, maybe even above average speed. Ditto that for Cobb and probably Montgomery. Janis is the only one with difference-making speed, and they probably won't play him even if he gets healthy.

We'll win anyway - this week and just about every week. We just won't maximize things, and it will be more stressful than it needs to be.