Official Giants Week Gabfest [Archive]

pbmax

10-03-2016, 12:23 PM

Green Bay Packers ‏@packers 1h1 hour ago
McCarthy: Sam (Shields) is improving. Break was good for him. Won't practice today. All inactives except Sam & Cook will do something today.

Bob is not at the press conference, he is traveling to meet Bobby April at a Stuckey's to try to convince him to commit to the Packers.

pbmax

10-03-2016, 12:38 PM

This is un-good.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ct3ESIIXgAAezol.jpg:large

arcilite

10-03-2016, 01:19 PM

Patler

10-03-2016, 01:54 PM

Guess I'm out of the loop.

What's the explanation for the dig at McGinn and Bobby April?

McGinn had an article stating that hiring Zook was a mistake when Bobby April and a couple others were available:

http://archive.jsonline.com/sports/packers/did-packers-mccarthy-make-right-call-with-zook-for-special-teams-b99449492z1-293538271.html

Carolina_Packer

10-03-2016, 02:42 PM

McGinn had an article stating that hiring Zook was a mistake when Bobby April and a couple others were available:

http://archive.jsonline.com/sports/packers/did-packers-mccarthy-make-right-call-with-zook-for-special-teams-b99449492z1-293538271.html

Do you think McGinn ever walks through the locker room? I bet Zooker would be ordering the code red if he did.

pbmax

10-03-2016, 02:43 PM

Guess I'm out of the loop.

What's the explanation for the dig at McGinn and Bobby April?

McGinn has critiqued several of McCarthy's hires, hinting they are hired out of friendship and loyalty and not qualifications. In some cases, Slocum, he seemed right on target. On others, dumping Bob Sanders, McGinn failed to stick up for reputation and experience (Capers over Sanders) and accused McCarthy of embarrassing the franchise by blaming lieutenants.

But special teams have been a hobby horse of his for long before that. The only hire I remembered him cheering was John Bonamego, who had a sterling reputation some years back and was hired by Sherman. JB was a success by every measure McGinn likes to cite, Rich Gosselin's yearly rankings, reputation among sources and League wide rankings of punting and kicking units by yardage/average.

However, Bonamego's units struggled, providing a two year glimpse into the talent versus coaching debate.

This is a case of Bob hitting on an important (hiring of assistants) point but being unable to discern what leads to success.

pbmax

10-03-2016, 02:54 PM

Jason Wilde ‏@jasonjwilde 42m42 minutes ago
#Packers WR and ST ace Jeff Janis practiced cast-free following bye. He broke his right hand during camp and wore a club cast thereafter.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ct3Z722W8AA2__5.jpg:large

Pugger

10-03-2016, 03:53 PM

This is un-good.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ct3ESIIXgAAezol.jpg:large

We're gonna get killed by the Gmen's pass offense next week. :sad:

Guiness

10-03-2016, 04:20 PM

We're gonna get killed by the Gmen's pass offense next week. :sad:

Are you implying my gameday thread streak will end at one? Never!

aside: My god Fitz is stealing that money from the Jets!

Carolina_Packer

10-03-2016, 04:29 PM

The Gints don't have much, if any, run game, but their one-dimension can be special. I hope they have Burnett back to help in the secondary. They really need to make Eli move in the pocket and hit him early and often. Their secondary is pretty banged up, so that will be a plus for the Packer offense.

Joemailman

10-03-2016, 05:52 PM

Pugger

10-03-2016, 08:54 PM

pbmax

10-04-2016, 12:40 AM

At least Randall won't be covering OBJ.

Michael Cohen ‏@Michael_Cohen13 11h11 hours ago
Damarious Randall dropped out of practice and returned with his thumb taped. He left again, came back with no tape and sat out, no helmet.

Cheesehead Craig

10-04-2016, 07:38 AM

If the Giants team that showed up last night in MN shows up in GB on Sun night, we should kick the snot out of them. Giants were disorganized on both sides of the ball.

pittstang5

10-04-2016, 07:54 AM

So is Pennel and the other CB back?

gbgary

10-04-2016, 08:22 AM

the answer for obj has been laid out for the league in the last several games. play him tight, play him physical, and he ends up doing more harm than good for his team.
so...expect him to go off on the Packers because we don't play that style of pass d. we let the opposition run free. are the Packers dbs incapable of playing this way or is it on the coaching staff or both. either way if things don't change back there expect more of the same. making players of the week out of guys you've never heard of.
the giants don't have a threatening running game so the Packers need to sell-out on pass d.

Maxie the Taxi

10-04-2016, 09:27 AM

If the Giants team that showed up last night in MN shows up in GB on Sun night, we should kick the snot out of them. Giants were disorganized on both sides of the ball.Agreed. Especially considering we're coming off a bye week and the Giants played Monday night. ...On the other hand, Manning was subjected to a hellacious pass rush while Bradford not so much. Manning was throwing the ball into the dirt after 1 second. If we give Manning time to throw we could be in for a long night.

Pugger

10-04-2016, 09:33 AM

So is Pennel and the other CB back?

I don't think they'll be back until next week.

Pugger

10-04-2016, 09:35 AM

Pugger

10-04-2016, 09:37 AM

Agreed. Especially considering we're coming off a bye week and the Giants played Monday night. ...On the other hand, Manning was subjected to a hellacious pass rush while Bradford not so much. Manning was throwing the ball into the dirt after 1 second. If we give Manning time to throw we could be in for a long night.

We do possess a decent pass rush especially with Clay, D. Jones and Guion returning. It is our back end and our tendency to leave the middle of the field wide open is what kills us...

Anti-Polar Bear

10-04-2016, 10:31 AM

The Packers' first team D should go against the Packers' first team O in practice.

McAdoo pretty much runs McCarthy's offense. Watching the game last night, I could tell what the Gay Men of NY were gonna run before they ran it.

Carolina_Packer

10-04-2016, 12:01 PM

We do possess a decent pass rush especially with Clay, D. Jones and Guion returning. It is our back end and our tendency to leave the middle of the field wide open is what kills us...

So, for the scheme-niks here, what exactly is it that Packers are doing, or not doing in the secondary that is allowing the big plays? Is it schematic? Is it play calling? Is it blown coverage? Frustrating to think back to the MN game, and the front seven did their job, but the back end had no answers, and was consistently getting torched.

Do you place that at Capers feet, are the players blowing coverages?

Harlan Huckleby

10-04-2016, 12:25 PM

The Giants went on the road for a Monday night game. Now they are on the road in a short week against a team coming off a bye. This is unsporting. The NFL has lost its mind.

Pugger

10-04-2016, 01:01 PM

The Giants went on the road for a Monday night game. Now they are on the road in a short week against a team coming off a bye. This is unsporting. The NFL has lost its mind.

If I were a Gman fan I wouldn't worry about this week. They are going to play one of the worst pass defenses in the league Sunday night.

gbgary

10-04-2016, 02:10 PM

The Giants went on the road for a Monday night game. Now they are on the road in a short week against a team coming off a bye. This is unsporting. The NFL has lost its mind.

look what ind's doing. they're coming back from a loss in england and playing this weekend...it was their choice though.:shock:

King Friday

10-04-2016, 04:36 PM

If I were a Gman fan I wouldn't worry about this week. They are going to play one of the worst pass defenses in the league Sunday night.

However, the Packers do have a strong history of success coming off a bye week...the defense typically looks much better when they have an extra week to prepare.

ThunderDan

10-04-2016, 07:18 PM

If I were a Gman fan I wouldn't worry about this week. They are going to play one of the worst pass defenses in the league Sunday night.
Pugger, I will be at the game. It will be a victory.

ThunderDan

10-04-2016, 07:20 PM

The Giants went on the road for a Monday night game. Now they are on the road in a short week against a team coming off a bye. This is unsporting. The NFL has lost its mind.

I was just thinking about this earlier today. The NFL should make sure that the road team on Monday night gets to play at home the next week.

Joemailman

10-04-2016, 07:22 PM

If I were a Gman fan I wouldn't worry about this week. They are going to play one of the worst pass defenses in the league Sunday night.

Someone notify Pugger that Wist may have hacked into her account.

King Friday

10-04-2016, 09:12 PM

I was just thinking about this earlier today. The NFL should make sure that the road team on Monday night gets to play at home the next week.

I think they try to do what you suggest often...but putting together a schedule is very difficult, and especially so for the Giants and Jets. (who share a stadium)

ThunderDan

10-04-2016, 09:37 PM

I think they try to do what you suggest often...but putting together a schedule is very difficult, and especially so for the Giants and Jets. (who share a stadium)

After this year I am not so sure. The Pack already had a 4 game road trip, now home for a month and another long road trip after. I can never remember the first Gold package game being in October.

Pugger

10-05-2016, 12:31 AM

Someone notify Pugger that Wist may have hacked into her account.

:lol:

I suppose I must sound like Wist and I hope I'm wrong but I have a bad feeling about this game. We usually make QBs like Eli look like world beaters, our secondary will have its hands full with their WRs and I'm not sure if our offense is out of its funk yet. :sad:

Tony Oday

10-05-2016, 08:15 AM

2-2 after this week. The Giants should have won against the Vikes and the Packers have a worse pass defense. I think we get shelled at home 41-17.

Pugger

10-05-2016, 08:34 AM

2-2 after this week. The Giants should have won against the Vikes and the Packers have a worse pass defense. I think we get shelled at home 41-17.

The Giants will probably have their way against our pass D but they weren't gonna beat the Vikes Monday night.

pbmax

10-05-2016, 09:33 AM

2-2 after this week. The Giants should have won against the Vikes and the Packers have a worse pass defense. I think we get shelled at home 41-17.

They lost by 14 points. What alternate universe gives them the win?

Packers played it much closer. Gives Packers the edge in that comparison I think.

pbmax

10-05-2016, 10:13 AM

Aaron Wilson ‏@AaronWilson_NFL 2h2 hours ago
Packers worked out Christian French, J.P. Holtz and Rob Housler

gbgary

10-05-2016, 01:44 PM

Aaron Wilson ‏@AaronWilson_NFL 2h2 hours ago
Packers worked out Christian French, J.P. Holtz and Rob Housler

and according to someone kellen winslow jr is still begging the Packers for a job.

Harlan Huckleby

10-05-2016, 01:45 PM

I suppose I must sound like Wist and I hope I'm wrong

You're not wrong. Joe just has a bee in his mailbag. Giants have excellent receivers and you inspired me to look at stats for packer passing defense.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/passing/position/defense

Only the Jets are giving up more yards per passing attempt. They don't intercept passes. They are near worst in the league in completion percentage. The one stat they are doing well in is getting sacks.

I am unthrilled by the Giants game. I hate night games. The Giants are floundering and playing on a short week. The game is opposite a presidential debate. I'm much more interested in seeing the Cowboys next week.

pbmax

10-05-2016, 02:25 PM

Genaro C. Armas ‏@GArmasAP 2h2 hours ago
#Packers practice: Clay running through drills; no Shields or Cook.

Michael Cohen ‏@Michael_Cohen13 3h3 hours ago
McCarthy said the plan is to move forward with Richard Rodgers and Justin Perillo if starter Jared Cook is unable to play for a few weeks.

pbmax

10-05-2016, 02:25 PM

Josh Boyd is working out for the Seachickens.

Maxie the Taxi

10-05-2016, 02:28 PM

You're not wrong. Joe just has a bee in his mailbag. Giants have excellent receivers and you inspired me to look at stats for packer passing defense.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/passing/position/defense

Only the Jets are giving up more yards per passing attempt. They don't intercept passes. They are near worst in the league in completion percentage. The one stat they are doing well in is getting sacks.

I am unthrilled by the Giants game. I hate night games. The Giants are floundering and playing on a short week. The game is opposite a presidential debate. I'm much more interested in seeing the Cowboys next week.Even with my age-impaired memory I recall all the preseason experts saying that the Packers secondary might be the best in the league.

...Or am I thinking of what they were saying before the 1966 season?

Harlan Huckleby

10-05-2016, 02:30 PM

It's just a matter of Sammy Sosa coming back from that concussion. BTW, your brain seems fine to me.

Fritz

10-06-2016, 07:10 AM

It's the second-year draftees, Randall and Rollins, who were the primary reason people were talking up the secondary, but are the reason the secondary has been sucking wind so far. I'm getting a little nervous about Randall - when I read the comments he makes, he's starting to sound like one of those defensive (and I don't mean that in a literal or a good way) players who says he'll take responsibility while blaming his untied shoes. I'm not liking how his attitude seems to be developing, and I wonder if it's tied to the lack of development of his football skills. I think I read something he said about needing to start to prepare for other teams' #2 receivers as he did for #1 receivers. Really? You just figured that out?

Clayish

10-06-2016, 07:49 AM

Secondary has to step up in this one. Obviously have to try and shutdown OBJ at all costs and make sure to keep an eye out for that rookie.

The Giants secondary is banged up as well, and we need Aaron and the receivers to take advantage of that. Very winnable game.

I'm hyped out of my mind because I'm shipping up from boring ol' Connecticut to Green Bay for the game. This will be my first Lambeau visit.

Anti-Polar Bear

10-06-2016, 10:44 AM

I'm hyped out of my mind because I'm shipping up from boring ol' Connecticut to Green Bay for the game. This will be my first Lambeau visit.

Congrats on your maiden voyage to historical Lambeau Field. May your presence guide the Pack to a win!

That said, ever been to a Mike Sherman-coached HS football game? If you have, you most certainly have sat on one of those stinky metal bleachers.

Unless your seat is inside some box or way back up there yonder where players look like ants, you most certainly will be sitting on some stinky metal bleacher at Lambeau. Uncomfortable as fucking a fat lady, even if you're not sitting between 2 fat guys.

$300 M of tax payers' hard-earned bucks was used to renovate the Field, and they won't even get rid of the old, stinky metal bleachers and instill single seats throughout! :x

btw: Since Conn is boring, you won't be disappointed with dull and dark Green Bay. Absolutely nothing to do in Green Bay, 'cept maybe feed the "Redskins" at their casinos (Note: Even after you've fed 'em Redskins plenty of your hard-earned bucks, they'd still treat you like dirt.)

Clayish

10-06-2016, 11:43 AM

Congrats on your maiden voyage to historical Lambeau Field. May your presence guide the Pack to a win!

That said, ever been to a Mike Sherman-coached HS football game? If you have, you most certainly have sat on one of those stinky metal bleachers.

Unless your seat is inside some box or way back up there yonder where players look like ants, you most certainly will be sitting on some stinky metal bleacher at Lambeau. Uncomfortable as fucking a fat lady, even if you're not sitting between 2 fat guys.

$300 M of tax payers' hard-earned bucks was used to renovate the Field, and they won't even get rid of the old, stinky metal bleachers and instill single seats throughout! :x

btw: Since Conn is boring, you won't be disappointed with dull and dark Green Bay. Absolutely nothing to do in Green Bay, 'cept maybe feed the "Redskins" at their casinos (Note: Even after you've fed 'em Redskins plenty of your hard-earned bucks, they'd still treat you like dirt.)
I'm sure I'll be on my feet for most of the game haha, and hopefully there will be something to celebrate after the game. To the bars we shall go. (We're also doing the stadium/HOF tour the day before, so I'm sure we'll be entertained throughout the trip.)

gbgary

10-06-2016, 03:00 PM

I'm sure I'll be on my feet for most of the game haha, and hopefully there will be something to celebrate after the game. To the bars we shall go. (We're also doing the stadium/HOF tour the day before, so I'm sure we'll be entertained throughout the trip.)

you'll love it! my last trip up was two years ago. missed the hof remodel. the people are all VERY friendly. go to one of the big tail gate parties (like the one at brett favre's steak house) it's all you can eat and drink, the pro shop is huge and has anything Packers you could ever want. take the extended stadium tour if you can. there's a good family owned pizza place on onieda called sammy's. have fun and a safe trip

pbmax

10-06-2016, 03:10 PM

Injury Report

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuHDHWHXYAApRHP.jpg:large

pbmax

10-06-2016, 04:03 PM

Jason Wilde ‏@jasonjwilde 26m26 minutes ago Green Bay, WI
#Packers getting mostly good post-bye news on the injury front. Matthews says he's good to go, Guion a full participant today.

Patler

10-06-2016, 04:14 PM

So, how long will Cook be out?
This doesn't sound real promising for a quick return to the lineup:

This week, Cook has alternated being on crutches and in a boot and the odds of him playing Sunday against the Giants don’t look good.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2016/10/05/jared-cook-injury-poses-problems-packers/91610310/

beveaux1

10-06-2016, 06:04 PM

So, how long will Cook be out?
This doesn't sound real promising for a quick return to the lineup:

With our luck, it will be season long.

ThunderDan

10-06-2016, 08:57 PM

So, how long will Cook be out?
This doesn't sound real promising for a quick return to the lineup:

I heard 4-6 weeks on talk radio today.

Patler

10-06-2016, 09:41 PM

I heard 4-6 weeks on talk radio today.

I wonder if that is 4-6 more, or 4-6 from the injury.

hoosier

10-06-2016, 09:58 PM

The way he played against Detroit, having Randall out could be addition by subtraction. But that may be cancelled out by Newhouse's absence.

pittstang5

10-07-2016, 04:23 AM

Absolutely nothing to do in Green Bay,

There's always Applebees

Carolina_Packer

10-07-2016, 06:07 AM

I'm sure I'll be on my feet for most of the game haha, and hopefully there will be something to celebrate after the game. To the bars we shall go. (We're also doing the stadium/HOF tour the day before, so I'm sure we'll be entertained throughout the trip.)

Congrats on your first game at Lambeau. I hope it's a fun experience. Depending on when you get to Green Bay and how much time you have, this might be of interest as well.

http://www.packersheritagetrail.com/

pbmax

10-07-2016, 10:56 AM

From Tom Pelisseo:

Whoa. The #Panthers just cut starting CB Bene' Benwikere, source said. Rough day vs. Julio, but had INT in opener, had played some good ball

pbmax

10-07-2016, 12:41 PM

Apparently he is a better lot guy than outside guy. We might have enough of those.

King Friday

10-07-2016, 09:09 PM

Is it just me, or is it normal to expect OBJ will go off for 200 yards and 3 TDs on Sunday against our secondary? Of course, I have to face him in fantasy this week...although I somehow managed to survive playing against Julio Jones last week.

Pugger

10-08-2016, 07:38 AM

denverYooper

10-08-2016, 10:39 AM

I could see >100 yards. I have doubts about the 3 TDs. Having Burnett available should allow HaHa to focus on keeping a better lid on the top.

I think this is the week HHCD gets his hands on a deep ball.

gbgary

10-08-2016, 02:41 PM

gonna be a shoot out. our pass rush is better than there's though. Packers...win.

texaspackerbacker

10-08-2016, 08:55 PM

I'm a little bit worried about our corners also. However, I have a fairly low opinion of Eli Manning in terms of decision making - kinda Cutler light without the ability to run. I like Rollins better than Randall, and I like Gunter better than either R and R. On offense, I'd love to see a healthy dose of Jeff Janis, but I'm not holding my breath - McCarthy's damn stubbornness and all. I'd also love to see the Packers unleash a wild pass-first attack, but there again, I'm not holding my breath - McCarthy's damn stubbornness and all.

I think the Packers win, but not nearly as comfortably as they should/would if they really maximized things.

gbgary

10-10-2016, 10:21 AM

gonna be a shoot out. our pass rush is better than there's though. Packers...win.

boy was i wrong. our DBs were great. eli helped them out a time or two but rodgers did the same for them.

Pugger

10-10-2016, 12:41 PM

If it weren't for those 2 INTs by Aaron the score wouldn't have been close.

Fritz

10-10-2016, 01:30 PM

The defense played well, again. Can they keep it up?

How will getting Pennel back change the rotation, once he's back in football shape?

Will Demetri Goodson have a spot?

Will the Packers find a real punter?

Stay tuned.

gbgary

10-10-2016, 01:46 PM

If it weren't for those 2 INTs by Aaron the score wouldn't have been close.

to be fair, one of those was on Jordy.

King Friday

10-10-2016, 04:51 PM

boy was i wrong. our DBs were great. eli helped them out a time or two but rodgers did the same for them.

I can't say the DBs were great. Several times, Giant receivers were WIDE OPEN, but Manning was about as accurate as Rodgers last night. At least Eli had an excuse, because pass rushers were in his grill constantly. I'm not sure why Rodgers couldn't make an easy 10 yard pass on the numbers to anyone when he could sit in the pocket for 4-5 seconds just about every time he dropped back to pass.

Pugger

10-10-2016, 06:38 PM

to be fair, one of those was on Jordy.

According to King Friday it was Rodgers' fault for throwing it above Jordy's head. :roll:

gbgary

10-11-2016, 12:05 PM

I can't say the DBs were great. Several times, Giant receivers were WIDE OPEN, but Manning was about as accurate as Rodgers last night. At least Eli had an excuse, because pass rushers were in his grill constantly. I'm not sure why Rodgers couldn't make an easy 10 yard pass on the numbers to anyone when he could sit in the pocket for 4-5 seconds just about every time he dropped back to pass.

yes...i said that...but all things considered they were great. victor cruz and beckham jr didn't really get squat.