Official Packers/Giants Game Day Thread

[Rastak]

Lacy not looking so great.

[pbmax]

Twitter now saying Lacy was treated for an ankle in first half.

[Rutnstrut]

The receiver group out there now cannot beat man to man except Nelson on some routes. He needs to go back to multiple personnel of first drive.

Nah that worked and they have a lead to "protect".

[Rastak]

Packers OL really is kicking ass.

[pbmax]

#Packers skill players with at least one snap on 1st drive:
Nelson
Cobb
Janis
Adams
Montgomery
Davis
R.Rodgers
Perillo
Lacy
Starks
Ripkowski

[Maxie the Taxi]

Cobb good.

[pbmax]

All but Abby hit field on fist drive. Now they are back to 11 personnel for no huddle

[pbmax]

Cobb good.

I was afraid he was motioning Janis to go deep :)

[Maxie the Taxi]

I was afraid he was motioning Janis to go deep :)That's our end of game play.

[Rastak]

Fuck of a play by Jenkins.

[pittstang5]

............and Stall. At least they moved the ball

[pbmax]

Not open. Junk the 11 personnel no huddle.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Jordy is not 100% back yet.

[pittstang5]

Fuck it. Go for it

[Maxie the Taxi]

Starks couldn't cut it back?

[Rastak]

Fuck it. Go for it


Nah, right call. They should have this in the bag.

[SMBASS]

#Packers skill players with at least one snap on 1st drive:
Nelson
Cobb
Janis
Adams
Montgomery
Davis
R.Rodgers
Perillo
Lacy
Starks
Ripkowski

I swear Stubby can't get out of his own way. I'll never understand why he's so quick to abandon stuff that's working. I'm of the belief that you keep doing it over and over until the other team proves they can adjust/stop it and then you counter their adjustment. I can never imagine Lombardi abandoning the power sweep when they we're running people's asses over with it play after play.

[pbmax]

Starks couldn't cut it back?

That was kinda weird. Wonder if he mistook the 1st down marker?

[Maxie the Taxi]

We have no RB with any shake and bake quickness. We ought to bring Jackson or someone up from the Practice Squad.

[beveaux1]

They've stretched the lead to two scores.

[beveaux1]

This has really not been very pretty.

[Harlan Huckleby]

so boring

[Maxie the Taxi]

so boringThe game or the debate?

[pbmax]

Peppers gives up edge chasing blockers

[Rastak]

That was offensive pass interference.

[pbmax]

Peppers gives up edge chasing blockers

Yep.

[Rastak]

The game or the debate?


You watching dumb and dumber?

[pbmax]

Great zone d by Thomas with good drop

[Maxie the Taxi]

You watching dumb and dumber?Not me. Harlan.

[Rutnstrut]

Peppers gives up edge chasing blockers

Give the guy a break, he's usually chasing naps.

[beveaux1]

D playing pretty well.

[Harlan Huckleby]

The game or the debate?

the packer 3-and-out show

[pbmax]

Positive: starting at 20.

[beveaux1]

Eli looks uncomfortable.

[Maxie the Taxi]

I watched Eli Manning last week too. He throws a lot of passes straight into the ground.

[pbmax]

D playing pretty well.

You put your Twitter robot on the PackerRat account?

[pbmax]

I watched Eli Manning last week too. He throws a lot of passes straight into the ground.

Worst QB to win 2 Super Bowls?

[Maxie the Taxi]

Worst QB to win 2 Super Bowls?He's Jeckyll and Hyde. Mostly Hyde, lately.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Arod blaming Adams?

[Harlan Huckleby]

Hundley! Hundley! Hundley!

[Rastak]

Outstanding tacking there.

[Harlan Huckleby]

ok, I'm not bored

[Maxie the Taxi]

Cobb good.

[pbmax]

I don't know what Rodgers expected Adams to do there.

COBB!

[Rastak]

They will lose that challenge.

[pbmax]

Pretty good catch with snuggle coverage.

[Maxie the Taxi]

MacAdoo learned how to challenge stuff from Stubby.

[beveaux1]

Looked like he caught it.

[beveaux1]

You put your Twitter robot on the PackerRat account?

No. I'm very superstitious.

[pbmax]

Time to not let Aaron call runs

[pbmax]

Packers fans a crossing route?

[pbmax]

STOP BOUNCING OUTSIDE!!! It's not better.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Adams good.

[pbmax]

Love the FB dive!!

[beveaux1]

Ripper!!!

[Rastak]

That wan't a scrum you dumbass Criss, more like a maul.

[Maxie the Taxi]

That wan't a scrum you dumbass Criss, more like a maul.I don't think scrums were legal when Chris played. It was considered aiding the runner or something.

[pbmax]

Go for it.

[red]

now he throws to a guy covered

[beveaux1]

Workmanlike drive.

[Maxie the Taxi]

I hate that sideline toss into the end zone. It works one of twenty times for other teams and worse for the Pack.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Go for it.You fomenting another controversy on this forum?:-)

[beveaux1]

I hate that sideline toss into the end zone. It works one of twenty times for other teams and worse for the Pack.

Didn't really have much choice. First time a rusher came through completely unblocked.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Packers will have to be a lot better to beat the Cowboys

[Maxie the Taxi]

Packers will have to be a lot better to beat the CowboysVery cogent comment which I agree with completely.

[beveaux1]

Special teams not too special.

[Rastak]

You guys got this.

[pbmax]

Fuckdoggle!

[Maxie the Taxi]

Thomas doesn't tackle well.

[pbmax]

Thomas doesn't tackle well.

He's actually been pretty good before tonight.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Fuckdoggle!Who you got in mind?

[Maxie the Taxi]

Another dreaded onsides kick coming?

[pbmax]

Now this is how McCarthy gets into trouble. Now you HAVE to recover an onside kick to keep a one score lead.

[Rastak]

That was close, I doubt they reverse it.

[pbmax]

Who you got in mind?

Calling out the original: Elliot.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Now this is how McCarthy gets into trouble. Now you HAVE to recover an onside kick to keep a one score lead.True, plus we're going to need a first down or two. Here we go.

[pbmax]

Now is the proper time for four minute offense. Only runs?

[pbmax]

His cutback was wide open.

[Maxie the Taxi]

We're going to have to throw it for a 1st.

[pbmax]

Bulaga having a rough game.

[Rastak]

WTF was that?

[pittstang5]

OH FUCK!!!

[pbmax]

Good lord. Not even sure that was a catch.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Yes. Cobb. That's the game.

[Harlan Huckleby]

concussion

[Rastak]

OUCH! Hope he's ok.


edit: Seems to be. That was kind of nasty.

[Maxie the Taxi]

See how getting one 1st down can win you the game?

[beveaux1]

Starks is not trustworthy. I think I'd give the ball to Ripper this time.

[Rutnstrut]

Why the fuck do they not have another active RB???

[Maxie the Taxi]

Starks is not trustworthy. I think I'd give the ball to Ripper this time.I think they can go victory formation now.

[pbmax]

Victory, yep.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Cobb for MVP.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Starks is not trustworthy. I think I'd give the ball to Ripper this time.

Starks should be cut. There have to be better practice squad players somewhere

[denverYooper]

Bill Barnwell ‏@billbarnwell 19m19 minutes ago

James Starks trying out for the Chargers.

[gbgary]

very good defensive effort. o was great...for a while anyway. too many drops! hope there are no serious injuries to keep people out next week cuz we're going to need them. dallas o is for real!

[QBME]

Wasn't Guiness supposed to start this? The last game was against the Lions, and they won. Guiness started the Lions thread. I thought "winners" had to continue?

Whew..broke tradition but got a win. Maybe time for a new tradition.

Starks is done, nothing left.
Jordy needs to find his sure fire hands.
Cobb got his bell rung, hope he doesn't enter the protocol.
O Line awesome.

[pbmax]

Should have many more points on 400 yards offense. Turnovers and penalties stopped them dead.

[QBME]

Oh, and by the way...fuck Josh Sitton and fuck the Bears.

[Pugger]

Oh-Oh. Game Day post violation. Still time for Guiness to show up.

OTOH, Packer pass D will be challenged today. Shields and Randall are out.

Tom Silverstein ‏@TomSilverstein 38s39 seconds ago
#Packers inactives:
QB Joe Callahan
CB Damarious Randall
CB Sam Shields
T Kyle Murphy
TE Jared Cook
DT Brian Price
DT Christian Ringo

I'm certain I saw Brice play tonight.

[Pugger]

another terrible throw by a-rod

but it was to adams so it might have been the wr's fault

Adams dropped his hands. We're lucky it wasn't picked.

[Pugger]

all fucking day to throw

how can he not find anyone at all open?

Perhaps because our WRs suck at getting separation?

[Pugger]

Jordy has at least two drops.

Jordy didn't have that great a night. He had a couple of nice catches but a couple of drops and one bounced off his hands for a Gmen INT.

[Pugger]

How did they not stick with Lacy who was steamrolling people????

Is it because of his asthma?

[Pugger]

Because they put little to no importance on it.

Perhaps Mortell is still on speed dial...

[Pugger]

For all the time Rodgers had to throw, it didn't seem like our WR's were getting much separation.

IMO this is a major problem for us and why our offense sputters at times.

[Pugger]

Bulaga having a rough game.

I thought all of our O linemen had a good night. NY paid a lot of $$ for those pass rushers and Rodgers had all day back there. Too bad our WRs stink at getting separation.

[pittstang5]

I'm certain I saw Brice play tonight.

I was confused at first too - but it was Kentrell Brice - Safety that was active.

[pbmax]

Yeah, Kentrell is Tank's favorite safety. Brian Price is a D lineman who showed some good hustle in camp.

[Zool]

IMO this is a major problem for us and why our offense sputters at times.

I'm really coming to this conclusion as well. If the DB doesn't make a mistake, the Packers WRs are not open. The next time Devante Adams comes back and fights for a pass will be the first time. I'm about 90% on board with Bretsky about this guy. Tons of talent and no heart.

[texaspackerbacker]

I can't type fast enough to post during the game and still follow it good, so I'll give my observations now.

As I predicted, a win but we didn't maximize things. I was a lot more pleased with McCarthy's play calling - early especially but really most of the game - in terms of passing on early downs and setting up the run. I was especially pleased with my favorite target to criticize: our O Line. They played their ass off most of the game both in pass protection and run blocking. Lacy ran like a beast; I hope the ankle doesn't slow him down in future games. Aaron Rodgers didn't have his best night, but I'll take him on an off night over just about anybody else at their best. Yeah, the line blocked for him a lot better than usual, but how about that escapability. Nelson made a couple of great catches, but generally he played like crap. He isn't running like before the injury, and no excuse for the 4 or whatever drops. Another guy I like to criticize, Davante Adams, was damn good tonight, although he reverted a few times. Hard to tell if he ran bad patterns or Rodgers was just off target several times. I'm surprised to see so much criticism of Starks in here. I thought he had pretty good burst and cuts. He was a step or so away from a big gainer a couple of times. They need to keep using Ripkowski instead of a TE at FB. This was a damn good Giant defense that we beat up on; Their DBs may have been depleted, but the ones they played did damn good in coverage. Things could have been better yet, but I'm satisfied.

On defense, this was another Capers gem, and a LOT of players executed excellently. Our DBs almost shut down Beckham, and they totally shut down Cruz and Shepherd, two damn good WRs. I really like Rollins' athleticism and Gunter's coverage instinct or whatever, and Hyde was great. Our D Line - whoever was rotated in - did a great job of pressuring Eli, and they did great stopping the run. I saw the Giants O Line run right over the Cowboys D a few weeks ago; They couldn't budge our guys. Martinez and Ryan did good against the run, but they let a mediocre TE get deep on them a couple of times.

Who the hell made the decision to pick up this all out piece of crap punter over Masthay and Mortell? Kickoff coverage kinda sucked too. Slocum's fault? Somebody needs to clean it up.

It seems like the league is consciously trying to take away that Packer advantage of free plays with quick whistles on off sides and that illegal shift thing when they hurry up before the opponent gets its players off the field.

All in all, we made a good opponent look kinda bad. The Packers were ragged at times, but they fixed a lot of things.

[Carolina_Packer]

I said this in the Banjo string, I mean thread. :-) Is it the route concepts, or the execution of the route concepts. If we all agree that tonight A-Rod had enough time on many drop backs to survey and run through the normal progression of the play called, but ended up having to do scramble drill, even with decent protection. Is that more because of the isolation routes being stale and predictable to the defense, is it the lack of talent at WR to win in the route concepts, is it Rodgers inaccuracies on plays where there isn't even that much pressure, or is it a combo?

[HarveyWallbangers]

Mostly, it was Rodgers off on short throws (e.g. screens) and drops. Jordy must have dropped four balls last night (it may have been the worst game of his career), including a couple of big plays and one that turned into an interception. Richard Rodgers dropped a TD. Kind of a weird night. Outside of that and the punter, most of the units had a good night.


"I’ll tell you right now, I’m pretty sure if I catch my balls it’s a whole different story," Nelson said. "It’s just making the most of your opportunities."

[ThunderDan]

The Packers dominated the Giants last night at Lambeau. Costly turnovers, shitty short passing, drops by receivers and the worst punting I have seen in a game kept it close. This should have been in the 34-10 range for a final score.

The Packer D dominated the Giants O. They could only score FGs on short fields until the last 5 minutes of the game.

The Packer O shot themselves in the foot over and over. We had 250 yards of offense in the 1st half and only put up 17 points that should have been 14 if not for a strip sack by Fackrell.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Jordy is not near all the way back. I remember a particular play where the camera followed him running a route. He jogged straight downfield, did some kind of weak stutter-step, cut to the left and didn't fool anyone. The DB stayed with him step-by-step. I got the feeling Jordy doesn't trust his knee to make his usual quick and hard cuts with acceleration. That's what used to give him separation.

As for Cobb, he was his old, fearless self -- a fantastic 1st down machine. IMO the game's MVP.

[pbmax]

Holy Fackrell was terrifying a diminished opponent, but he looked pretty legit on a speed rush. He develops a counter to that and watch out.

[pbmax]

Mostly, it was Rodgers off on short throws (e.g. screens) and drops. Jordy must have dropped four balls last night (it may have been the worst game of his career), including a couple of big plays and one that turned into an interception. Richard Rodgers dropped a TD. Kind of a weird night. Outside of that and the punter, most of the units had a good night.

Don't forget Adams deciding to not catch a ball he was perfectly in position to catch because he thought someone was behind him.

Kickoff coverage was not good to go along with punter. Lotta missed tackles. Banjo getting hurt led to at least two missed tackles on next two kicks. Kinda odd since his backups had gotten reps while he was banged up earlier.

[Maxie the Taxi]

I don't have statistics to back this up, but my impression was that Stubby ash-canned -- for the most part -- his no huddle offense. Arod was under center a good part of the game as well. I also noticed more motion and two men in the backfield sets. Stubby also seemed more willing to use play action and misdirection. This is good IMO. Plus, I have to say his game management in the last three minutes was improved, showing a willingness to be aggressive with the pass to earn 1st down and close out the game.

[Fritz]

Jordy is not near all the way back. I remember a particular play where the camera followed him running a route. He jogged straight downfield, did some kind of weak stutter-step, cut to the left and didn't fool anyone. The DB stayed with him step-by-step. I got the feeling Jordy doesn't trust his knee to make his usual quick and hard cuts with acceleration. That's what used to give him separation.

As for Cobb, he was his old, fearless self -- a fantastic 1st down machine. IMO the game's MVP.


Is it possible that this is done deliberately, to set up a later route? I know d-linemen and pass rushers do this all the time - give them a slow-mo look a few times to lull the blocker into thinking that's your speed - then at a key moment, you blow by them.

Or maybe not. Maybe Jordy said it best:

"'I’ll tell you right now, I’m pretty sure if I grab my balls it’s a whole different story,'" Nelson said."

And isn't that the truth for all guys, anyway?

[pbmax]

I don't have statistics to back this up, but my impression was that Stubby ash-canned -- for the most part -- his no huddle offense. Arod was under center a good part of the game as well. I also noticed more motion and two men in the backfield sets. Stubby also seemed more willing to use play action and misdirection. This is good IMO. Plus, I have to say his game management in the last three minutes was improved, showing a willingness to be aggressive with the pass to earn 1st down and close out the game.

He definitely went with more options and personnel groups, Ripper included.

But you will notice that the second half featured a LOT of 11 personnel (1RB, 1TE, 3 WR) and the no huddle returned with poor results.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Is it possible that this is done deliberately, to set up a later route? I know d-linemen and pass rushers do this all the time - give them a slow-mo look a few times to lull the blocker into thinking that's your speed - then at a key moment, you blow by them.

Or maybe not. Maybe Jordy said it best:

"'I’ll tell you right now, I’m pretty sure if I grab my balls it’s a whole different story,'" Nelson said."

And isn't that the truth for all guys, anyway?As I recall, Jordy was the primary target on that play. My point is he just looks tentative on his cuts and acceleration.

[Pugger]

I'm certain I saw Brice play tonight.

nm :oops:

[Pugger]

I said this in the Banjo string, I mean thread. :-) Is it the route concepts, or the execution of the route concepts. If we all agree that tonight A-Rod had enough time on many drop backs to survey and run through the normal progression of the play called, but ended up having to do scramble drill, even with decent protection. Is that more because of the isolation routes being stale and predictable to the defense, is it the lack of talent at WR to win in the route concepts, is it Rodgers inaccuracies on plays where there isn't even that much pressure, or is it a combo?

MM and AR keep saying Abby runs nice routes and sing his praises but he never sees the field. What is up with that? If our other WRs can't get open perhaps we should give Abby a try out there?

[Pugger]

Jordy is not near all the way back. I remember a particular play where the camera followed him running a route. He jogged straight downfield, did some kind of weak stutter-step, cut to the left and didn't fool anyone. The DB stayed with him step-by-step. I got the feeling Jordy doesn't trust his knee to make his usual quick and hard cuts with acceleration. That's what used to give him separation.

As for Cobb, he was his old, fearless self -- a fantastic 1st down machine. IMO the game's MVP.

Perhaps AR shouldn't be forcing the ball to Jordy just yet.

[Pugger]

Don't forget Adams deciding to not catch a ball he was perfectly in position to catch because he thought someone was behind him.

Kickoff coverage was not good to go along with punter. Lotta missed tackles. Banjo getting hurt led to at least two missed tackles on next two kicks. Kinda odd since his backups had gotten reps while he was banged up earlier.

I was not happy with Adams there but later in the game he practically crawled for a first down. He has some neat moves and can fake defenders out of their shoes. Let's hope he keeps progressing.

[Pugger]

I don't have statistics to back this up, but my impression was that Stubby ash-canned -- for the most part -- his no huddle offense. Arod was under center a good part of the game as well. I also noticed more motion and two men in the backfield sets. Stubby also seemed more willing to use play action and misdirection. This is good IMO. Plus, I have to say his game management in the last three minutes was improved, showing a willingness to be aggressive with the pass to earn 1st down and close out the game.

And you guys keep telling me Stubby is too stubborn to change his game plans. ;-)

[Pugger]

Is it possible that this is done deliberately, to set up a later route? I know d-linemen and pass rushers do this all the time - give them a slow-mo look a few times to lull the blocker into thinking that's your speed - then at a key moment, you blow by them.

Or maybe not. Maybe Jordy said it best:

"'I’ll tell you right now, I’m pretty sure if I grab my balls it’s a whole different story,'" Nelson said."

And isn't that the truth for all guys, anyway?

I see what you did there... :lol:

[Maxie the Taxi]

And you guys keep telling me Stubby is too stubborn to change his game plans. ;-)Sometimes you have to hit a mule over the head with a 2x4 in order to get his attention. :-)

[Fritz]

As I recall, Jordy was the primary target on that play. My point is he just looks tentative on his cuts and acceleration.

This I did not know. I was just casting about for explanations, and looking for a way to re-cast Jordy's quote.