running backs

[KYPack]

Things you hear that you didn't know, Dept..

Christine Michael was selected the next pick (61) after Eddy Lacy in the 2013 draft.

Something else I didn't realize until I saw it today. why are we carrying two fullbacks on the roster when we really don't play one of em? Joe Kerridge is the same size as the Ripper, but neither of 'em see the field. Couldn't we use that spot for another RB, WR, or CB or something?

Man, this is a weird year.

[pbmax]

Things you hear that you didn't know, Dept..

Christine Michael was selected the next pick (61) after Eddy Lacy in the 2013 draft.

Something else I didn't realize until I saw it today. why are we carrying two fullbacks on the roster when we really don't play one of em? Joe Kerridge is the same size as the Ripper, but neither of 'em see the field. Couldn't we use that spot for another RB, WR, or CB or something?

Man, this is a weird year.

Kerridge was brought up to help the hemorrhaging special teams. He took that WR's place.

[Freak Out]

What a cluster.

[Patler]

A little more background on the Packers new running back:


According to a scout familiar with Michael, talent isn't an issue. But Michael "needs to learn how to be a pro," the scout said.

Michael is 5-10, 215 pounds. He ran a 4.47-second 40-yard dash, posted a 43-inch vertical jump, benched 225 pounds 27 times and had a broad jump of 10-feet, 5-inches at the 2013 NFL combine. His vertical leap and broad jump led all running backs that year.

[yetisnowman]

Packers are the only team in the nfl without a TD from a running back.

[woodbuck27]

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8469/christine-Michael

" ESPN Packers reporter Rob Demovsky does not expect Christine Michael to "make much, if any, impact" on Sunday's game in Washington.

Especially for a player of Michael's track record, it would seem extremely aggressive to anticipate him making any immediate impact after one week of practice.

Michael is just a stash-and-hope deep-league prayer in re-draft fantasy "

[Pugger]

Hope I am wrong, but that kid has been all hype and no production so far. Seahawks replaced him with Thomas Rawls as soon as they could.

No production? I checked and he's averaging 4 yards a carry this season. Perhaps a change in scenery will do him good.

[denverYooper]

He wasn't having a terrible season for the Seahawks to this point.

117 carries/469 yards/6 TD rushing
20 rec/96 yards/1 TD rushing

2 fumbles, 1 lost

Not sure what really happened to cause him to be released--maybe they really did just need the roster spot--but the Pack's FO has ties with Seattle's so you'd assume they'd have good information on him.

[Freak Out]

Packers are the only team in the nfl without a TD from a running back.

Fugly.

[Patler]

Not sure what really happened to cause him to be released--maybe they really did just need the roster spot--but the Pack's FO has ties with Seattle's so you'd assume they'd have good information on him.

I think this explains why:


Immaturity has been Michael's biggest problem. A second-round pick of the Seahawks in '13, he did not distinguish himself with some of his actions on the field, including celebrating a first down he thought he got but actually didn't because he slowed down near the marker, waving off running back Marshawn Lynch as he came in to replace Michael and intermittently missing assignments.

“You might see the great cut one time and then not the next, and it’s the exact same scenario,” offensive-line coach Tom Cable told the Seattle Times in 2014. “He comes across and makes a great blitz pickup one play and then he’s supposed to chip and then, ‘Oh, I’m going to get out for my route, and oops I forgot to chip.’

"It’s just being able to put a good play together and then a good one the next time and the next time. When that becomes his habit, then he owns it. Right now he doesn’t own it.”

http://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2016/11/16/report-packers-claim-rb-michael-waivers/93982224/

[Anti-Polar Bear]

No production? I checked and he's averaging 4 yards a carry this season. Perhaps a change in scenery will do him good.

Michael, aka, C-MIKE, had a change of scenery in Dallas last season. All he did there was post for a photo with a pigish 5-0 before getting waived.

[Shakin' head] Young uns today and their softcore rap music. Kanye West is an educated mofo; act all black panther, but has never been with a black woman in his life. That goddamned white rapper from Detriot- goddamn him. Don't even get me started with that sell out moosefucker Drake.

And what the fuck's with rappers collaborating with country musicians? If Pac and Biggie were alive today, they'd be shaking their heads in disgust at all the crap today. In my youth, we wore baggy jeans and we listen to hardcore gangsta rap like Wu Tang, NWA, Ja Rule, Diddy, Masta P, V-Ice along with Pac and Biggie.

Anyways, if you read JSO, they're saying C-Mike has some kung fu but he's froggin' unprofessional. Once waved Beast Mode - BEAST MODE! - back toward the sidelines. Maybe he'll start acting professionally in dull and dark Green Bay, who knows?

[Fritz]

Michael, aka, C-MIKE, had a change of scenery in Dallas last season. All he did there was post for a photo with a pigish 5-0 before getting waived.

[Shakin' head] Young uns today and their softcore rap music. Kanye West is an educated mofo; act all black panther, but has never been with a black woman in his life. That goddamned white rapper from Detriot- goddamn him. Don't even get me started with that sell out moosefucker Drake.

And what the fuck's with rappers collaborating with country musicians? If Pac and Biggie were alive today, they'd be shaking their heads in disgust at all the crap today. In my youth, we wore baggy jeans and we listen to hardcore gangsta rap like Wu Tang, NWA, Ja Rule, Diddy, Masta P, V-Ice along with Pac and Biggie.

Anyways, if you read JSO, they're saying C-Mike has some kung fu but he's froggin' unprofessional. Once waved Beast Mode - BEAST MODE! - back toward the sidelines. Maybe he'll start acting professionally in dull and dark Green Bay, who knows?

I have two words: Howard Green

Why not? Hope is all we have right now.

[Teamcheez1]

I think this could be a great pick-up. There wasn't much else to pick from, and Michael falls into our laps. The Vikings even tried to get him.

I'm also looking to the future. We don't have to hedge our bets with Lacy if we think Michael can perform better.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I'm also looking to the future. We don't have to hedge our bets with Lacy if we think Michael can perform better.

I doubt he is a Lacy replacement. He is just best available in November guy.

[King Friday]

Something else I didn't realize until I saw it today. why are we carrying two fullbacks on the roster when we really don't play one of em?

Because maintaining a huge edge in special teams (wait, do we really have one? Ah, who cares. Just keep pimping it) is priority numero uno for this joke of a front office. Why bother with RBs when we need 29 guys capable of special teams brilliance.

[Pugger]

Because maintaining a huge edge in special teams (wait, do we really have one? Ah, who cares. Just keep pimping it) is priority numero uno for this joke of a front office. Why bother with RBs when we need 29 guys capable of special teams brilliance.

We have 29 guys who are decent ST players? ;-)

[gbgary]

I doubt he is a Lacy replacement. He is just best available in November guy.

if he plays well he'll be starks replacement.

read a quote from him from an interview held yesterday i guess. he said he's going to take his job "more seriously." i thought this was pretty telling.

the Packers are due for something good to happen. smh

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I have two words: Howard Green

Why not? Hope is all we have right now.

Green, great play in the Super Bowl getting to Big Ben and forcing an under throw ball in which Collins picked for 6.

What is hope? Hope looks awfully a lot like an illusion. Screw hope. Just win out, baby!

[gbgary]

Packers WON'T activate Lacy or Shields from IR this year!! they're done.

[Fritz]

How do you know this? Did you read something?

I have a feeling you're right, though. Shields seems to be toast, and Lacy wouldn't be back until the playoffs, which seem out of reach right now.

[denverYooper]

How do you know this? Did you read something?

I have a feeling you're right, though. Shields seems to be toast, and Lacy wouldn't be back until the playoffs, which seem out of reach right now.

Just posted in other thread, but:
http://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2016/11/23/shields-lacy-done-year/94351372/

[Rastak]

How do you know this? Did you read something?

I have a feeling you're right, though. Shields seems to be toast, and Lacy wouldn't be back until the playoffs, which seem out of reach right now.

McCarthy indicated Makinton Dorleant would be activated thus the other two cannot be activated. You only get one a year.

[Fritz]

McCarthy indicated Makinton Dorleant would be activated thus the other two cannot be activated. You only get one a year.

Makinton Dorleant is going to save our season?

[red]

and so ends the green bay chapters of sam shields and eddy lacy careers

[denverYooper]

Makinton Dorleant is going to save our season?

They need to start figuring out their CB situation for next year.

[gbgary]

How do you know this? Did you read something?

was sitting at the computer and posted it immediately when i got an alert on a sports app i have on my phone.

[gbgary]

and so ends the green bay chapters of sam shields and eddy lacy careers

shields for sure. i could see them resigning lacy.

[Harlan Huckleby]

and so ends the green bay chapters of sam shields and eddy lacy careers

This is the way their season ends
Not with a bang but a whimper

"The Hollow Men" by TS Elliot

[Harlan Huckleby]

Eddie is too fat to thrive in the NFL, that's a fact jack. Sammy has had too many concussions. The Packers 2016 are toast.

I'm going to enjoy my Thanksgiving dinner tomorrow, watch the Dallas-Lions game. Life goes on.

[Harlan Huckleby]

shields for sure. i could see them resigning lacy.

I don't think so. Lacy had his 2nd chance.

[Patler]

Makinton Dorleant is going to save our season?

No, but he did run a 4.39 forty and had a 39" vertical, so at least he provides the speed and athleticism they will lose when Goodson gets put on IR. He also was a special teams standout in college, so he can replace Goodson there, too.

MM said the medical opinions are that neither Lacy nor Shields will be cleared this year. Apparently Lacy isn't even putting weight on his ankle yet.

It sounds like Dorleant is the only one on IR worth giving a shot. Anyone not on IR now won't be available before the end of the season anyway. Might as well give him an opportunity and see what he is.

[red]

I don't think so. Lacy had his 2nd chance.

he's, the team told him to lose a lot of weight, and we got that one sideline report during an earlier game that said, despite what was being said publicly about the huge weight loss, he had actually only lost 5 or 10 pounds.

and as PFT reported in october, whatever he did lose, he had put it all back on and he was back between 255 and 265

a far cry from the 230-235 that the team wanted him to be at this year

they gave him his second chance, and failed. plus at that weight, theys no guarantee that he could have kept up the early season success for a whole season

and now that he's been on IR, he could be in the 270-280 range, or higher

maybe he can play o-line, or NT

[Patler]

I don't think so. Lacy had his 2nd chance.

His second chance? How and when? He was still on his rookie contract. They might get him for a year or two relatively cheap. That shouldn't prevent them looking for someone new, but Lacy could be a nice complement, if healthy.

[Patler]

he's, the team told him to lose a lot of weight, and we got that one sideline report during an earlier game that said, despite what was being said publicly about the huge weight loss, he had actually only lost 5 or 10 pounds.

and as PFT reported in october, whatever he did lose, he had put it all back on and he was back between 255 and 265

a far cry from the 230-235 that the team wanted him to be at this year

they gave him his second chance, and failed. plus at that weight, theys no guarantee that he could have kept up the early season success for a whole season

and now that he's been on IR, he could be in the 270-280 range, or higher

maybe he can play o-line, or NT

If they could get him cheap to be a second option at RB, why not?
We don't know that he could have kept up his early season performance, but we also don't know that he couldn't have, either.
Several said he might not have been much smaller, but he clearly was in better condition.

[red]

His second chance? How and when? He was still on his rookie contract. They might get him for a year or two relatively cheap. That shouldn't prevent them looking for someone new, but Lacy could be a nice complement, if healthy.

after is fat ass could barely run at the end of last season the team demanded that he lose a ton of weight


“I think I’m stating the obvious,” coach Mike McCarthy said last month. “His offseason last year was not good enough and he never recovered from it. I had a chance to talk to Eddie today and that was pretty much the majority of our whole conversation. So he has to get it done because he cannot play at the weight that he played at this year.”

maybe it wasn't exactly a second chance, but it was an ultimatum. his old coach saban even told M3 to bench him to force him to lose weight

and eddy failed pretty badly

[red]

If they could get him cheap to be a second option at RB, why not?
We don't know that he could have kept up his early season performance, but we also don't know that he couldn't have, either.
Several said he might not have been much smaller, but he clearly was in better condition.

it would have to be cheap, like under 4 million a year, and i honestly don't know if he'll even see the end of his next contract

m3 knows eddy can't/won't lose weight, other coaches might think he can, and give him big time money, thinking they are the ones that can get him slimmed down

i wouldn't doubt he could get in the 8-9 million a year range from someone

[gbgary]

Lacy could be a fullback. if so he'd be the best fullback the Packers have had in many years. he wouldn't be waste of space like most. he could be an actual weapon at that position. if he gets no bites from other clubs give him a shot.

[red]

actually, not a bad idea

[Maxie the Taxi]

Lacy could be a fullback. if so he'd be the best fullback the Packers have had in many years. he wouldn't be waste of space like most. he could be an actual weapon at that position. if he gets no bites from other clubs give him a shot.I love it. Bring back the old Pro Set and Single Wing. Hornung and Taylor all over again.

[Harlan Huckleby]

even fullbacks don't have a beer belly.

http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/lt/lt_cache/thumbnail/615/img/photos/2015/03/12/32/c0/Oklahoma_Pro_Day_Football.J5.JPG

[denverYooper]

Lacy will be back.

[BZnDallas]

If you did resign Lacy on the cheap, who would you prefer to pair with him in the backfield, Fournette or McCaffery?

[King Friday]

Lacy is gone. I'm sorry, but it is illogical to assume that every other NFL is going to pass on the guy and leave him in the scrap heap. If James Starks can get paid $2M a year, then you damn well know that Lacy will command twice that from somebody...even with all his "issues". Green Bay isn't going that high with him.

[texaspackerbacker]

$4 million would probably be the low end for Lacy. I also doubt they pay to keep him. That doesn't bother me much. They could lose Starks too, and it wouldn't hurt. I like Montgomery as a RB. I would like to see us draft a RB but not in the first round. It shouldn't be that difficult to find somebody with speed and power. A lot of other teams have done it.

[pbmax]

Time to get these predictions on the record. Lacy will be a Packer in 2017.

Poll to come.

http://packerrats.com/showthread.php?29316-Will-Eddie-Lacy-Be-On-Packer-Roster-in-2017

[Pugger]

he's, the team told him to lose a lot of weight, and we got that one sideline report during an earlier game that said, despite what was being said publicly about the huge weight loss, he had actually only lost 5 or 10 pounds.

and as PFT reported in october, whatever he did lose, he had put it all back on and he was back between 255 and 265

a far cry from the 230-235 that the team wanted him to be at this year

they gave him his second chance, and failed. plus at that weight, theys no guarantee that he could have kept up the early season success for a whole season

and now that he's been on IR, he could be in the 270-280 range, or higher

maybe he can play o-line, or NT

I don't recall anyone on the team publicly declaring what weight they wanted Lacy to report at last summer.

[red]

I don't recall anyone on the team publicly declaring what weight they wanted Lacy to report at last summer.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000630814/article/packers-want-eddie-lacy-to-lose-30-pounds


NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported the Packers want Lacy to lose 30 pounds. Rapoport added the running back is committed to dropping that chunk of weight through offseason training and camp. Packers officials have had several discussions with Lacy's representatives and all sides admit something must be done.

i am so fucking sick of people now all of a sudden saying that anonymous sources don't count like they are just made up out of the blue. you know why we have anonymous sources? because companies have things called non disclosure clauses. people WILL be fired and probably sued if it ever came out that they leaked the info.

that doesn't mean that the info is false

but people these days just love sticking their heads in the ground and covering their ears and eyes and blasting anonymous sources as just made up shit, because they can't stand to hear anything remotely negative about the people they worship

[Pugger]

Who in the hell is worshiping Eddie Lacy?? All I said was I don't remember anybody on the Packers saying PUBLICLY they want Eddie to lose X number of pounds. MM said Eddie couldn't play at the weight he was in 2015 and Eddie came back in shape this past summer and was playing great until that ankle injury. Eddie isn't gonna demand big money on the open market so why not sign him to a "prove it" contract in 2017?

[pbmax]

Anonymous sources existed long before non-disclosure agreements. The only reason to be suspicious of them is that there is often an agenda of some sort behind any source. You can make an estimation of trustworthiness if you know who the source is. With an anonymous source, the best you can do is guess which side the leak if from.

That said, I believe Rap Sheet on this one. I expect everyone was happy with Lacy until he put the weight back on over the summer. But unlike 2015, he looked like he was in some semblance of shape.

[Patler]

i wouldn't doubt he could get in the 8-9 million a year range from someone

So you think Lacy will be the second highest paid RB in the league, behind only AP?

I don't think he will get anything close to that.

[red]

So you think Lacy will be the second highest paid RB in the league, behind only AP?

I don't think he will get anything close to that.

jamaal gets 9 lesean gets 8, stewart gets 7

i bet lacy can get near that. like everyone keeps telling me when i say cobb is nowhere near a 10 million dollar receiver. times have changed and the cap keeps going up. 8 million will seem like 1 million in just a couple years

add into that the fact that when healthy and not 300 pounds, lacy is a true featured back, and m3 has no clue or no need for a featured back. other teams will see that he can control a game if give the bulk of the carries, not just split time. in a system that actually sees the run as a tool, not just an inconvenience, i bet you he could put up 1500 yards a season

how often does a young featured back hit the open market?

[Patler]

Averages based on total contract values:

Peterson - $14M/yr.
McCoy - $8.01M/yr.
All others - less than $8M/year.

The same things that caused Lacy to be available when GB drafted will keep his contract down now.

[red]

Averages based on total contract values:

Peterson - $14M/yr.
McCoy - $8.01M/yr.
All others - less than $8M/year.

The same things that caused Lacy to be available when GB drafted will keep his contract down now.

yeah, you're wrong

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/average/running-back/

like i said

ap-14
jamaal charles- 9.05
leseasn mccoy- 8.0
jonathan stewart- 7.3
doug martin- 7.15

[red]

hold up, charles has funny money

he got a 2 year 18 million (9 a year) extension with 2 years left on his old deal. i can't figure out where that would put him, maybe in the 7 million a year range?

so lets say eddy gets around 7 a year, i think that can easily happen

lacy has put up slightly better numbers then doug martin, and is younger. no reason he can't get the same if not better deal

[red]

also, leveon bell is in the last year of his rookie deal, as the best back in football, i'm sure he's gonna set the market for rb

AP money seems a little much, but maybe 10 a year for bell, with lots of money tied to him not getting suspended again

and you know whats funny

bell 775 attempts 3356 yards (4.3 ypa) 21 tds. 205 receptions for 1805 (8.8 ypc) and 4 tds receiving

lacy 788 attempts 3435 yards (4.4 ypa) 23 tds. 101 receptions for 900 yards (8.9) and 6 tds receiving

bell is considered by many to be the best back in the game right now

[Patler]

yeah, you're wrong

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/average/running-back/

like i said

ap-14
jamaal charles- 9.05
leseasn mccoy- 8.0
jonathan stewart- 7.3
doug martin- 7.15

or, you are wrong:

http://overthecap.com/position/running-back/

[red]

or, you are wrong:



yes, thanks. i've already established that

[Patler]

also, leveon bell is in the last year of his rookie deal, as the best back in football, i'm sure he's gonna set the market for rb

AP money seems a little much, but maybe 10 a year for bell, with lots of money tied to him not getting suspended again

and you know whats funny

bell 775 attempts 3356 yards (4.3 ypa) 21 tds. 205 receptions for 1805 (8.8 ypc) and 4 tds receiving

lacy 788 attempts 3435 yards (4.4 ypa) 23 tds. 101 receptions for 900 yards (8.9) and 6 tds receiving

bell is considered by many to be the best back in the game right now

Lacy's problem is simple. There were questions about Lacy's injury history and durability coming out of college, and those questions remain and are maybe enhanced. The Packers have been very good at structuring contracts to pay a player well if he remains productive, but to give the team an out with minimal cap hit if he doesn't. No reason not to do that with Lacy

[woodbuck27]

I desire a RB to be drafted with high intelligence combined with the skills necessary to succeed in the NFL. I desire someone in this mold:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=er4yxLoGDYk


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJxviYxGAwg

[pbmax]

^ And how many of them exist in the NFL right now Woodbuck?

[woodbuck27]

^ And how many of them exist in the NFL right now Woodbuck?

That question has little to do with my desire. :-|

In any case please inform me of how many exist in the NFL. I am of the opinion that there are not many in his class.

I do love Ezekiel Elliott. A huge game changer for the Cowboy.

[Fritz]

Elliot's interesting to watch. He doesn't seem to have super moves, or super speed, and he gets hit often near the line of scrimmage. Yet he seems to gain 7 yards on carries other rb's would gain 2 on.

[gbgary]

Elliot's interesting to watch. He doesn't seem to have super moves, or super speed, and he gets hit often near the line of scrimmage. Yet he seems to gain 7 yards on carries other rb's would gain 2 on.

he's bigger and faster than emmit and dishes out punishment where emmit would avoid as much contact as possible. they're going to be scary for several years...dammit! when witten retires that'll be a blow to them. dak loves witten and beasley the most but is warming up to dez as the weeks pass.

[pbmax]

That question has little to do with my desire. :-|

In any case please inform me of how many exist in the NFL. I am of the opinion that there are not many in his class.

I do love Ezekiel Elliott. A huge game changer for the Cowboy.


There is one like him, a workhorse who is just as effective in the pass game.

[run pMc]

Lacy's problem is simple. There were questions about Lacy's injury history and durability coming out of college, and those questions remain and are maybe enhanced. The Packers have been very good at structuring contracts to pay a player well if he remains productive, but to give the team an out with minimal cap hit if he doesn't. No reason not to do that with Lacy

This, plus all the weight controversy will drive down his price. He'll still get a good chunk of interest though. I don't think he'll get over $7M, and if he does it probably won't be GB. I'd prioritize other players over him. This is also a very good draft class for RB.

[Rutnstrut]

Lacy may not have missed most of the season if he would have had a chance to sit from the initial injury. I said that night that TT's ineptness at having RB depth was going screw up Lacy. TT and stubby have zero appreciation for the RB position. So I wouldn't mind seeing Lacy go somewhere that he is appreciated and PAID.