More Banjo: Week 7 vs Bears

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Its a win and the second half was very pretty. D injured some guys and might be costing Fox his job. Nice work fellas.

Bad side: Jackson injured not return. Lang injured but returned. Rodgers had a cramp in his calf.

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Club Twitter account phone has apparently gone dead.

Michael Cohen ‏@Michael_Cohen13 21m21 minutes ago
Mike McCarthy said Davante Adams cleared the concussion protocol today. Packers found out he was available around 1 p.m. #Packers

Green Bay Packers ‏@packers 17m17 minutes ago
McCarthy: Good division victory...Really proud of our football team with the amount of adjustments we had to make throughout the week.

ITS BACK

Green Bay Packers ‏@packers 19m19 minutes ago
McCarthy: Good division victory...Really proud of our football team with the amount of adjustments we had to make throughout the week.

Green Bay Packers ‏@packers 16m16 minutes ago
McCarthy: I thought Aaron did an excellent job managing all the things going on throughout the game. No-huddle was very effective.

MORE NO HUDDLE. YAY.

Green Bay Packers ‏@packers 15m15 minutes ago
McCarthy on Aaron Rodgers: I thought he was very patient. We knew this was going to be a different ride tonight. Game plan was to pass.

Green Bay Packers ‏@packers 13m13 minutes ago
McCarthy: Davante (Adams) & Ty Montgomery were given a lot of opportunities, we definitely took advantage.

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Green Bay Packers ‏@packers 9m9 minutes ago
Aaron Rodgers: Different walking into the locker room & seeing a white jersey. I thought we looked good. I liked the Color Rush.

Green Bay Packers ‏@packers 7m7 minutes ago
Rodgers: Really proud of Ty Montgomery. Lot to build on...He has a very good feel on routes out of backfield. He had great focus this week.

Green Bay Packers ‏@packers 4m4 minutes ago
Rodgers: Biggest takeaways were the protection & Davante (Adams) playing so well. We felt good about his matchup.

Green Bay Packers ‏@packers 42s43 seconds ago
Rodgers: To throw the ball 56 times & still have an overwhelming advantage in the time of possession is rare. #CHIvsGB

[Bossman641]

Team has a mini break here before atlanta. Really important to get Randall and Rollins healthy

[SMBASS]

Kudos to Cobb, Monty, and Davante for stepping up and having great games when it was really needed. Especially Monty and Davonte. Good to see Rodgers get back on track a little bit better too. D also played pretty well tonight although it's a little tainted considering the MASH unit from Chicago that they were going against. Seemed like with the long drives the O was putting together the D was barely on the field in the 2nd half.

[King Friday]

Wasn't a debacle...but we simply can't beat any good teams going forward without any semblance of a run game. Adams should gain a lot of confidence from this game, which I think is big for him. Monty has proven to be a capable piece in the backfield that can create some real matchup nightmares once we actually have real RBs to use too.

My only real downer from last night was the play of Nelson. I'm starting to worry that he may be starting to quickly fall off the map in terms of being a downfield threat. He simply doesn't seem to have the speed he once had. On a night where Rodgers was looking to pass continually, Nelson was hardly noticeable. I think Janis is going to have to be used more if we want someone capable of taking the top off the defense.

[Fritz]

Here are my thoughts on the game and the season:

1. Jeff Janis played ahead of Ty Davis - he's passed somebody on the depth chart! Hooray!

2. The announcers - was it Boomer Esiason? And Deion Sanders, too - kept slathering over Rodgers and blaming the wide receivers. Nobody's open, they said. Look at the replays. Well, when I looked at them, sure, I didn't see anyone standing alone. But I saw receivers with a step on defenders. And didn't everybody used to worship at Rodgers's feet for "throwing guys open"? I distinctly remember that as one the the traits that made him so good. But now it's the receivers' fault. I don't get it. Rodgers still can move around the pocket, better than anyone. But all this back-foot throwing - he's missing lots of passes, and what a bunch of pussy announcers for continuing to nibble and lick at Rodgers's berries. He missed Adams twice, missed Cobb twice, I think, and on that 44 yard pass intereference, a well-thrown ball would've meant a touchdown. In other words, the stuff Rodgers used to do, he isn't doing - at least as far as his accuracy. I think, as I said elsewhere, that he's lost confidence in his ability to fire a strike into a narrow window.

3. I was one of the many Packerrats complaining bitterly when Sitton was cut. But Sitton missed the game, and nobody's talking about Lane Taylor - which means he's doing just fine. Let's all eat some crow here. Speaking of eating crow...

4. Bretsky? How 'bout that Fresno Fraud???

5. Okay, lots of bitching about Thompson not having running back depth. Okay. Really? Nobody has running back depth after the top two go down. And that running back depth we wanted? That was supposed to be a third-down, guy-out-of-the-backfield-who-can-catch guy. So even if the Packers had that guy, he would be as useless as a bronze tit on first and second down. So let's be realistic about how much Ted's at fault here. Who - realistically - was he supposed to have ready?

6. The Bears still suck.

[run pMc]

Did Rodgers look more accurate and poised to you?
Were the WRs that good or was the Bears secondary that bad?

[SkinBasket]

2. The announcers - was it Boomer Esiason? And Deion Sanders, too - kept slathering over Rodgers and blaming the wide receivers. Nobody's open, they said. Look at the replays. Well, when I looked at them, sure, I didn't see anyone standing alone. But I saw receivers with a step on defenders. And didn't everybody used to worship at Rodgers's feet for "throwing guys open"? I distinctly remember that as one the the traits that made him so good. But now it's the receivers' fault. I don't get it. Rodgers still can move around the pocket, better than anyone. But all this back-foot throwing - he's missing lots of passes, and what a bunch of pussy announcers for continuing to nibble and lick at Rodgers's berries. He missed Adams twice, missed Cobb twice, I think, and on that 44 yard pass intereference, a well-thrown ball would've meant a touchdown. In other words, the stuff Rodgers used to do, he isn't doing - at least as far as his accuracy. I think, as I said elsewhere, that he's lost confidence in his ability to fire a strike into a narrow window.

I think they were just countering McGinn's hit piece on Rodgers from this past week. But I'm not sure, because I didn't read it.

I agree that Rodgers needs to get a little more brave, but really, these receivers are not doing their job. You can blame lack of speed, lack of skill, poor position coaching, poor play calling, or whatever, but in 56 passing plays, often with 4 or 5 WRs on the field, they broke open, what... twice? Three times?

And for every time Rodgers misses, there seems to be a drop.

So yes, Rodgers could be more accurate and more adventure-prone. But for the most part, I agreed with the voices last night. We have an alleged embarrassment of riches at the position, but we ain't spending any.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Montgomery and Adams had a wonderful coming out party last night. Stats look good when Rodgers throws that many times, but Adams suddenly got James Jones hands and actually got open. Montgomery showed all his tools.

After this season, it's time to cut bait with Abby and Janis. Janis looks lost out there and it's been how many years now? He route-running is shit that doesn't involve him just running a fly pattern, and I can't remember the last time I saw him getting open. He's an athlete, but not a WR. Abby simply cannot stay healthy, his roster spot would be better served by having a 3rd RB.

[Maxie the Taxi]

5. Okay, lots of bitching about Thompson not having running back depth. Okay. Really? Nobody has running back depth after the top two go down. And that running back depth we wanted? That was supposed to be a third-down, guy-out-of-the-backfield-who-can-catch guy. So even if the Packers had that guy, he would be as useless as a bronze tit on first and second down. So let's be realistic about how much Ted's at fault here. Who - realistically - was he supposed to have ready?

A bit of hyperbole there. Up until this year the Packers themselves had a fairly capable 3rd string RB. Wasn't that Crockett before he got injured? And there were others before him. And obviously Kansas City had not only a 3rd string RB on the roster, but a 4th stringer: Knife Davis. I didn't check but a think just about all NFL teams carry a 3rd RB on the roster and then another on the practice squad.

And as far as a "guy-out-of-the-backfield-who-can-catch guy," he doesn't have to be next to "useless." Monty himself destroys that argument. And do I have to bring up guys like David Johnson and even Jordan Howard who is still listed on the Bears depth chart as their 3rd string RB. Guys like Howard were available in the draft and plentiful as free agents.

I think TT and Stubby reasoned Monty was their guy who could step in. Whether that makes sense is a whole nother issue.

[Zool]

I think they were just countering McGinn's hit piece on Rodgers from this past week. But I'm not sure, because I didn't read it.

I agree that Rodgers needs to get a little more brave, but really, these receivers are not doing their job. You can blame lack of speed, lack of skill, poor position coaching, poor play calling, or whatever, but in 56 passing plays, often with 4 or 5 WRs on the field, they broke open, what... twice? Three times?

And for every time Rodgers misses, there seems to be a drop.

So yes, Rodgers could be more accurate and more adventure-prone. But for the most part, I agreed with the voices last night. We have an alleged embarrassment of riches at the position, but we ain't spending any.

Part of the issue is the slow WRs, part of that is on Stubbs not adjusting formations, part of that is on Rodgers (until the second half lastnight) not willing the ball to his receivers hands like he used to do at will.

The first half was a lot of pro set with 2 wide, a TE with a hand in the dirt, Rip at FB and Monty at RB. With a secondary as beat up as Chicago's was, stack 3 wide often. Look at the 3rd TD when the rub caused 2 DBs to go with the same WR because they weren't communicating well. That could be bread and butter right now.

[Harlan Huckleby]

My only real downer from last night was the play of Nelson. I'm starting to worry that he may be starting to quickly fall off the map in terms of being a downfield threat. He simply doesn't seem to have the speed he once had. On a night where Rodgers was looking to pass continually, Nelson was hardly noticeable. I think Janis is going to have to be used more if we want someone capable of taking the top off the defense.

Nelson was limping.most of the game. It seems likely that he is now a highly paid rotation guy.

[Fritz]

A bit of hyperbole there. Up until this year the Packers themselves had a fairly capable 3rd string RB. Wasn't that Crockett before he got injured? And there were others before him. And obviously Kansas City had not only a 3rd string RB on the roster, but a 4th stringer: Knife Davis. I didn't check but a think just about all NFL teams carry a 3rd RB on the roster and then another on the practice squad.

And as far as a "guy-out-of-the-backfield-who-can-catch guy," he doesn't have to be next to "useless." Monty himself destroys that argument. And do I have to bring up guys like David Johnson and even Jordan Howard who is still listed on the Bears depth chart as their 3rd string RB. Guys like Howard were available in the draft and plentiful as free agents.

I think TT and Stubby reasoned Monty was their guy who could step in. Whether that makes sense is a whole nother issue.


Dann straight it's hyperbole! This is Packerrats, baby!

You do undermine your own argument - they did have a solid third stronger. He got hurt, Crockett did.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Dann straight it's hyperbole! This is Packerrats, baby!

You do undermine your own argument - they did have a solid third stronger. He got hurt, Crockett did.And TT didn't replace him...And that's the issue...just saying. :-)

[Harlan Huckleby]

A bit of hyperbole there. Up until this year the Packers themselves had a fairly capable 3rd string RB. Wasn't that Crockett before he got injured? And there were others before him. And obviously Kansas City had not only a 3rd string RB on the roster, but a 4th stringer: Knife Davis. I didn't check but a think just about all NFL teams carry a 3rd RB on the roster and then another on the practice squad.

And as far as a "guy-out-of-the-backfield-who-can-catch guy," he doesn't have to be next to "useless." Monty himself destroys that argument. And do I have to bring up guys like David Johnson and even Jordan Howard who is still listed on the Bears depth chart as their 3rd string RB. Guys like Howard were available in the draft and plentiful as free agents.

I think TT and Stubby reasoned Monty was their guy who could step in. Whether that makes sense is a whole nother issue.

Boom! Good smackdown.

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No one except Monty (and Adams if his guy is playing off) in the WR corp is beating press coverage decisively. The defenders are RARELY wrong footed or confused. Compare that to the Packer DBs, even before injuries.

That is because they KNOW what routes are being run because there are maybe four per receiver total, and maybe two per any personnel group, because it rarely varies and they almost never get forced off the press due to crossing routes or mesh points. I think I saw five instances of tight combo routes in 75 plays (one for a TD that should have been easier).

How many times was that rookie DB in Cobb's hip pocket on throws inside? There is no hesitation on their part.

So could Rodgers be more accurate? Yes. But why make all but five throws that difficult? Might that make you QB skittish, waiting for something to break MORE wide open and lead to more dropped balls from challenged receivers? Why make a difficult game MORE difficult?

See how all of this connects to the design of the stupid play? Think of the advantage the defense is giving you. EVERY team is playing man under. You know that going in. You can design an offense to abuse that choice for an entire half and scare teams into choosing something else. But no, let's bang our head against the wall of fundamentals.

I actually thought for two weeks he was going back to multiple personnel groups, but except for Monty in a new spot, the differing personnel were still all running isolation routes. There were a couple of receiver stacks, but the routes never collided.

A healthy Nelson makes this easier. But why rely on having an All-Pro as part of the design of the offense?

[ThunderDan]

Janis has to go if he continues what he was doing last night. He took a kick out of the end zone and got to the 15 yard line. He did cover one punt well but was helped by some good hang time.

The play that surprised me was the little flare to Janis on the goal line. He was running at full speed turned up to get into the end zone and the CB knocked him backwards and stopped him from scoring. If Janis is such and athletic freak he has to knock the CB back not vice versa.

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Janis has to go if he continues what he was doing last night. He took a kick out of the end zone and got to the 15 yard line. He did cover one punt well but was helped by some good hang time.

The play that surprised me was the little flare to Janis on the goal line. He was running at full speed turned up to get into the end zone and the CB knocked him backwards and stopped him from scoring. If Janis is such and athletic freak he has to knock the CB back not vice versa.

He also showed no gumption on his slant, where the ILB stood on his route (wonder how he knew) and held his ground.

Any other player worth his salt gets around a stationary defender, or, if the defender moves, reacts in such a way that pass interference is called. Janis just ran into him of his own volition and fell down.

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No one except Monty (and Adams if his guy is playing off) in the WR corp is beating press coverage decisively. The defenders are RARELY wrong footed or confused. Compare that to the Packer DBs, even before injuries.

That is because they KNOW what routes are being run because there are maybe four per receiver total, and maybe two per any personnel group, because it rarely varies and they almost never get forced off the press due to crossing routes or mesh points. I think I saw five instances of tight combo routes in 75 plays (one for a TD that should have been easier).

How many times was that rookie DB in Cobb's hip pocket on throws inside? There is no hesitation on their part.

So could Rodgers be more accurate? Yes. But why make all but five throws that difficult? Might that make you QB skittish, waiting for something to break MORE wide open and lead to more dropped balls from challenged receivers? Why make a difficult game MORE difficult?

See how all of this connects to the design of the stupid play? Think of the advantage the defense is giving you. EVERY team is playing man under. You know that going in. You can design an offense to abuse that choice for an entire half and scare teams into choosing something else. But no, let's bang our head against the wall of fundamentals.

I actually thought for two weeks he was going back to multiple personnel groups, but except for Monty in a new spot, the differing personnel were still all running isolation routes. There were a couple of receiver stacks, but the routes never collided.

A healthy Nelson makes this easier. But why rely on having an All-Pro as part of the design of the offense?

It blows me away our great coaching staff can't adapt to what the defense throws at them. It's embarrassing.

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He hates the Eagles!

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^ Its Stubby.

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The Packers needed every rep they got out of Martinez after second-year linebacker Jake Ryan left in the second half and did not return.

Read more: http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-game-notes/article-1/Late-night-study-session-pays-dividends-for-Goodson-Gunter/60803ff1-5a40-4b5a-a855-121abd2b94f5#ixzz4NjmJVFj7

[ThunderDan]

He also showed no gumption on his slant, where the ILB stood on his route (wonder how he knew) and held his ground.

Any other player worth his salt gets around a stationary defender, or, if the defender moves, reacts in such a way that pass interference is called. Janis just ran into him of his own volition and fell down.

I didn't get the number of the player on that. Ugh, another crappy play. How does he just stop working his route and dump straight into the defender?

I was more mad at the no call until I saw the replay and saw the Bear's LB just standing there not grabbing the WR. Good no call ref.

[ThunderDan]

I meant bumped not dumped.

I couldn't believe there wasn't at least defensive holding. I mean what WR runs right into the other teams player and doesn't fight to get around him? I guess that would be Jeff Janis.

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Packer Report ‏@PackerReport 28m28 minutes ago
Of Montgomery's 126 yards, 113 were YAC in passing and after contact rushing. More for our members on big night

I don't understand how you can take advantage of this guy and not want the same thing out of the receivers lined up out wide.

[Freak Out]

Is the Stanford rookie WR not ready to contribute? Get the kid ready with these extra days.

[Cheesehead Craig]

The Packers needed every rep they got out of Martinez after second-year linebacker Jake Ryan left in the second half and did not return.

Read more: http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-game-notes/article-1/Late-night-study-session-pays-dividends-for-Goodson-Gunter/60803ff1-5a40-4b5a-a855-121abd2b94f5#ixzz4NjmJVFj7

Guess I was right when I saw Ryan go down. I mentioned in the game thread I thought that he hurt his knee. He must have limped off because they never stopped the game for him.

[beveaux1]

No one except Monty (and Adams if his guy is playing off) in the WR corp is beating press coverage decisively. The defenders are RARELY wrong footed or confused. Compare that to the Packer DBs, even before injuries.

That is because they KNOW what routes are being run because there are maybe four per receiver total, and maybe two per any personnel group, because it rarely varies and they almost never get forced off the press due to crossing routes or mesh points. I think I saw five instances of tight combo routes in 75 plays (one for a TD that should have been easier).

How many times was that rookie DB in Cobb's hip pocket on throws inside? There is no hesitation on their part.

So could Rodgers be more accurate? Yes. But why make all but five throws that difficult? Might that make you QB skittish, waiting for something to break MORE wide open and lead to more dropped balls from challenged receivers? Why make a difficult game MORE difficult?

See how all of this connects to the design of the stupid play? Think of the advantage the defense is giving you. EVERY team is playing man under. You know that going in. You can design an offense to abuse that choice for an entire half and scare teams into choosing something else. But no, let's bang our head against the wall of fundamentals.

I actually thought for two weeks he was going back to multiple personnel groups, but except for Monty in a new spot, the differing personnel were still all running isolation routes. There were a couple of receiver stacks, but the routes never collided.

A healthy Nelson makes this easier. But why rely on having an All-Pro as part of the design of the offense?

It took me a while to watch, but I believe most of what you're saying. I watched parts of the last 6 games. Except for about half the Cowboy game, and part of this game when we used 4 and 5 WR sets with some stacking, all we've run are iso routes with 3WR with various combinations of RBs and TEs.

The OL has played extremely well, but the receivers have been a large part of the problem. R Rodgers is never open. Nelson is almost never open. Adams is sometimes open but usually by a step or less. Cobb is open more often, but again by a step or less.

A Rodgers has had accuracy issues. He started the season with a case of the yips, and he appears to have conquered that as his confidence in the line has increased. He is still amazing at sensing pressure and moving out of harms way, but, more often than not, he doesn't find the open receiver after his amazing movement. This is also the time when he misses, sometimes badly, the receiver that has flashed open that he does see. To me, this is the main difference between 2014 and now in what we're seeing with AR. I don't think it's all that's wrong with the team.

I agree that 4 and 5 WR sets would help to fix our biggest problem, which is a lack of separation for our receivers. It would allow us to get into rhythm. Playing a 4 or 5 WR set in no huddle could possibly also work. They're taking the first step by incorporating Monty in the backfield with 4 WRs, giving us a RB with 3rd down ability. Doing this also means that AR doesn't have to make the perfect pass for success.

One other note: I've wondered why we've had almost no YAC and thought that most of that problem has been due to the lack of receiver separation, but I think it's at least partly because of accuracy issues with AR. Many times, a throw that should have lead the receiver was thrown at or behind him which resulted in very little YAC.

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Lack of YAC is partially accuracy, but a lot of it are the short routes that come back to the QB. Its what they have been hitting recently, those plus back shoulder throws.

Doesn't have to be that way, inaccurate or not, Monty has 100 yards of YAC out of the backfield.

[beveaux1]

Lack of YAC is partially accuracy, but a lot of it are the short routes that come back to the QB. Its what they have been hitting recently, those plus back shoulder throws.

Doesn't have to be that way, inaccurate or not, Monty has 100 yards of YAC out of the backfield.

Quite a few good throws to Monty out of the backfield the last couple of games, but quite a few less than accurate throws downfield to other receivers, although this past game was a bit of an exception. Maybe hope for the future?

To be sure, there were some comeback routes, but very few back shoulders.

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yeah, thats pretty fucking nice man

[Joemailman]

Is the Stanford rookie WR not ready to contribute? Get the kid ready with these extra days.

I think you mean Cal. (Trevor Davis) If he was from Stanford, he's be ready. :D

He would add a speed dimension. I've kind of given up on Janis. Million dollar body and a 10 cent head.

[King Friday]

Janis has to go if he continues what he was doing last night. He took a kick out of the end zone and got to the 15 yard line.

We took kickoffs out of the endzone twice and got stopped WAY before the 25. That is entirely on Zook, as he should be enforcing every kick returner to TAKE A DAMN KNEE in the endzone.

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

I think you mean Cal. (Trevor Davis) If he was from Stanford, he's be ready. :D

He would add a speed dimension. I've kind of given up on Janis. Million dollar body and a 10 cent head.

Yeah, I too have given up on Janis but not sure its due to his head, he scored a 30 on the wonderlic. Maybe ADHD?

[Freak Out]

I think you mean Cal. (Trevor Davis) If he was from Stanford, he's be ready. :D

He would add a speed dimension. I've kind of given up on Janis. Million dollar body and a 10 cent head.

Yep. He's the one. When the hell is the savior TE due back?

[KYPack]

Yep. He's the one. When the hell is the savior TE due back?

Supposedly he shed his walking boot Tuesday.

DNP vs the Bears.

Some have him playing vs the Falcons, but he certainly should be a go for the Indy game following that one.

[Zool]

Yeah, I too have given up on Janis but not sure its due to his head, he scored a 30 on the wonderlic. Maybe ADHD?

Maybe he's just not a very good WR?

[George Cumby]

Janis = Schroeder v2.0

[Teamcheez1]

Janis = Schroeder v2.0

Schroeder averaged 45 receptions and 687 yards per season in 5 years with Packers.

I would be elated if Janis could come even close to that. Schroeder was nothing but average and Janis is worse.

[channtheman]

Schroeder averaged 45 receptions and 687 yards per season in 5 years with Packers.

I would be elated if Janis could come even close to that. Schroeder was nothing but average and Janis is worse.

So more like Schroeder v0.25

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more like .025

[pbmax]

Yeah, I too have given up on Janis but not sure its due to his head, he scored a 30 on the wonderlic. Maybe ADHD?

No, you can be smart but not game aware in a sport.

Janis has likely always physically dominated his opponents and so the small bits of gamesmanship and chiseling an edge outside the rules are lost on him.

So if you negate the physical edge, he doesn't know how to compete. Like Larry Bird knowing how to shoot lights out but unable to draw a foul on contact after a head and shoulder fake.

Just leaves him in a hole. He might be smart enough to be too stubborn to learn the lesson.

[Fritz]

He has been a puzzle to me. I think with Nick Perry you could see that the guy, while frustrating to watch, was learning but always hurt. Always banged up. I mean, yes, it's a bit of a surprise that he's healthy and putting it all together - apparently he's got more than a bull rush now - but on the whole, you could see the guy's story was one of injury as much as anything. I still think, myself, that maybe Sherrod would've been the same story had he not wrecked his leg or knee or whatever it was.

But Janis - wow, he's still making the same mistakes he made two years ago. And the ole blocks are inexplicable - he's a big guy. He may be the classic looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane guy. It may be that this is simply who he is. A great ST player who can hang around the NFL for awhile, but a guy whose best route is the Hail Mary. If the Packers cut him, he'll get picked up in a heartbeat by some team, and some coach who knows that he's the one who can unlock all those skills.

[KYPack]

Yeah Fritz, you got it.

The guy is still green, in his 3rd year.

His route tree looks like a flag pole.

The deep slant and the Hail Mary, that's about it.

You'd think he'd pick up something from osmosis.

He's had years of practice, mini and regular camp, film study & he still doesn't know the basics, let alone any tricks.

I saw a scouting report on him post draft. it said the reason he went to a smaller program was none of the big schools thought he'd catch on to their program 'til his senior season, if that. He's super slow learner and a mistake repeater, that guy.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Yeah Fritz, you got it.

The guy is still green, in his 3rd year.

His route tree looks like a flag pole.

The deep slant and the Hail Mary, that's about it.

You'd think he'd pick up something from osmosis.

He's had years of practice, mini and regular camp, film study & he still doesn't know the basics, let alone any tricks.

I saw a scouting report on him post draft. it said the reason he went to a smaller program was none of the big schools thought he'd catch on to their program 'til his senior season, if that. He's super slow learner and a mistake repeater, that guy.Very good information I wasn't aware of. Great post.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

What's with the hate for my dawg, J-Jan, the hippest lad outta Detriot since Em?

Janis is a diamond in the rough, and diamonds don't form overnight. Dude ain't Greg Jennings when it comes to running routes, but he knows how to get open. Rodgers just gotta throw Janis the rock, especially when Janis is a-flyin'.

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This just hit the wire today, but not sure if its referencing Cowboys or Bears game.


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[Rutnstrut]

Yeah Fritz, you got it.

The guy is still green, in his 3rd year.

His route tree looks like a flag pole.

The deep slant and the Hail Mary, that's about it.

You'd think he'd pick up something from osmosis.

He's had years of practice, mini and regular camp, film study & he still doesn't know the basics, let alone any tricks.

I saw a scouting report on him post draft. it said the reason he went to a smaller program was none of the big schools thought he'd catch on to their program 'til his senior season, if that. He's super slow learner and a mistake repeater, that guy.

So he needs some time and opportunities. Adams has had more chances by far than Janis, yet they keep him around.

[pbmax]

So he needs some time and opportunities. Adams has had more chances by far than Janis, yet they keep him around.

He can't do it in practice either. Its kinda a problem.

Adams routinely is praised for the work he does in practice.

[deake]

Maybe he's just not a very good WR?

How many years did the Vikings wait for Patterson to come around, seems like they have been working with him for years, he looked pretty good today, maybe we need to have the same patience with Janis.

[Fritz]

I'd like to see MM go back to multiple packages, multiple personnel groupings, all of that. Make the defense adjust. Our guys aren't beating their guys one-on-one, and having Nelson back has not changed that. So why not go back to the days of using your depth? The Packers do have some of that.

[pbmax]

How many years did the Vikings wait for Patterson to come around, seems like they have been working with him for years, he looked pretty good today, maybe we need to have the same patience with Janis.

They are one year apart.

[Smidgeon]

I'd like to see MM go back to multiple packages, multiple personnel groupings, all of that. Make the defense adjust. Our guys aren't beating their guys one-on-one, and having Nelson back has not changed that. So why not go back to the days of using your depth? The Packers do have some of that.

They have the last two games.

[Fritz]

Didn't seem like it against Dallas. More like that against the Gints. Come on, Mikey! Packages! Sub-packages! Personnel groupings! Mix-and-match! Shuffle!

[pbmax]

Lucy's injury hurt the substitutions versus the Giants. Saw the backups versus Bears but formations remained the same.

[Zool]

How many years did the Vikings wait for Patterson to come around, seems like they have been working with him for years, he looked pretty good today, maybe we need to have the same patience with Janis.

Zimmerman was threatening to cut Patterson in camp this year. Maybe that lit a fire. Patterson was a first rounder who is a very good KR.

[ThunderDan]

So he needs some time and opportunities. Adams has had more chances by far than Janis, yet they keep him around.

Apples and oranges. Adams flashed his rookie year and was hurt year two.

Kind of hard to post that after he sets an all time record at Lambeau with 10+ catches, 100+ yards and 2+ TDs?

[Rutnstrut]

Apples and oranges. Adams flashed his rookie year and was hurt year two.

Kind of hard to post that after he sets an all time record at Lambeau with 10+ catches, 100+ yards and 2+ TDs?

If they keep giving the fraud chances as they do, eventually shit will stick once in a while. It doesn't mean he's any good.

[Zool]

If they keep giving the fraud chances as they do, eventually shit will stick once in a while. It doesn't mean he's any good.

The Saginaw Stooge is still waiting for a breakout game. Maybe one where he actually runs his entire route every play would be a good start.

[Pugger]

Its a win and the second half was very pretty. D injured some guys and might be costing Fox his job. Nice work fellas.

Bad side: Jackson injured not return. Lang injured but returned. Rodgers had a cramp in his calf.

Was this the same calf he injured in 2014? Perhaps it was just dehydration. I get those at times if I'm not drinking enough water.

[Pugger]

Montgomery and Adams had a wonderful coming out party last night. Stats look good when Rodgers throws that many times, but Adams suddenly got James Jones hands and actually got open. Montgomery showed all his tools.

After this season, it's time to cut bait with Abby and Janis. Janis looks lost out there and it's been how many years now? He route-running is shit that doesn't involve him just running a fly pattern, and I can't remember the last time I saw him getting open. He's an athlete, but not a WR. Abby simply cannot stay healthy, his roster spot would be better served by having a 3rd RB.

Is Abby hurt right now? I've been out of town all week without access to the internet so I'm now catching up with all the news...

[Pugger]

Quite a few good throws to Monty out of the backfield the last couple of games, but quite a few less than accurate throws downfield to other receivers, although this past game was a bit of an exception. Maybe hope for the future?

To be sure, there were some comeback routes, but very few back shoulders.

I didn't see the entire game Thursday night but if AR is throwing short passe and is taking what the defense is giving him I'm all for it!

[Pugger]

How many years did the Vikings wait for Patterson to come around, seems like they have been working with him for years, he looked pretty good today, maybe we need to have the same patience with Janis.

The Vikes almost had to be patient with Patterson seeing he was a 1st round pick.

[pbmax]

Was this the same calf he injured in 2014? Perhaps it was just dehydration. I get those at times if I'm not drinking enough water.

I don't remember which he grabbed. But it was definitely a cramp and he had to stretch it out to walk. It grabbed him good. Didn't look too affected by it after he stretched. Question now is whether he can avoid re-inuring it and making it worse. A couple weeks after the first injury, he made it much worse.


Edited for clarity of thought, typos, auto correct and aphasia.

[pbmax]

Is Abby hurt right now? I've been out of town all week without access to the internet so I'm now catching up with all the news...


I didn't see the entire game Thursday night but if AR is throwing short passe and is taking what the defense is giving him I'm all for it!

Abby hurt his leg and I think went on IR this week. Banjo too. He got re-injured versus the Bears.

They are doing OK with short throws, but it was either Monty or Cobb out of backfield OR a tightly contested throw in man coverage.

Problem is that they are getting very little deep. So they get nothing easy and do not flip field position often. They have never been good at the paper cut pass offense. lack of RBs not helping.

The good thing is that Rodgers has been getting closer to hitting the deep stuff.

[Fritz]

The Saginaw Stooge is still waiting for a breakout game. Maybe one where he actually runs his entire route every play would be a good start.

The Saginaw Stooge? Now that is some funny shit right there!