Official Packers vs. Colts game thread

[pbmax]

Guion is not Raji at nose.

[Teamcheez1]

2 TDs win, and there is a lot of time in game

Who are you kidding? The Colts have at least 2 TD's yet to score against this defense.

[yetisnowman]

2 TDs win, and there is a lot of time in game

But our defense sucks and we have barely been inside the redzone. There aren't that many more possesions left. 4th and five should have gone for it.

[beveaux1]

We've never played a worse game that I remember in the McCarthy era. We've played some stinkers, but usually against teams equal or better than us, or against divisional teams that always play us pretty close. Stinking this bad at Lambeau against a weak team from another division. That just doesn't happen.

[pbmax]

Bad wet weather footwork. Never plant on outside foot.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Great Start!!! Fuckheads

you sound like a little league dad

[pbmax]

We've never played a worse game that I remember in the McCarthy era. We've played some stinkers, but usually against teams equal or better than us, or against divisional teams that always play us pretty close. Stinking this bad at Lambeau against a weak team from another division. That just doesn't happen.

I am pretty sure they have been worse.

[gbgary]

the fg is better than nothing which is what we'd probably get. if we get stops we can chip away at the lead. a whole quarter left.

[Fritz]

I used to scream at the TV. Now I sigh and drink some wine. Fuggem.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Bad wet weather footwork. Never plant on outside foot.Need Dorsey Levens -- best wet field runner we've ever had.

[Rutnstrut]

We've never played a worse game that I remember in the McCarthy era. We've played some stinkers, but usually against teams equal or better than us, or against divisional teams that always play us pretty close. Stinking this bad at Lambeau against a weak team from another division. That just doesn't happen.

They have been headed this direction for awhile. This is the new normal for the Packers. But nothing will be done about it because they won a SB in 2010.

[pbmax]

Need Dorsey Levens -- best wet field runner we've ever had.

Edgar Bennett was a mudder too.

[SMBASS]

I used to scream at the TV. Now I sigh and drink some wine. Fuggem.

+1

[Harlan Huckleby]

I used to scream at the TV. Now I sigh and drink some wine. Fuggem.

screaming is better

[gbgary]

nice. now get a td.

[Teamcheez1]

As much as we have been complaining about the defense in this game, they are not the reason we are losing.

[pbmax]

Blitz pays off in Burnett sack. Another stop.

Perry forced Luck to pull ball down.

[Rutnstrut]

I used to scream at the TV. Now I sigh and drink some wine. Fuggem.

Go with bourbon, more bang for the buck and makes the game much more tolerable. Plus it clears up that terrible homerism.

[MadtownPacker]

you sound like a little league dadGame isn't on here but reading these posts makes me think that is a good thing. Plus you are posting so of course shit is all bad.

[Fritz]

This team, injuries or not, is better than they're playing. What happened to Indy's shitty o-line, Indy has no defense?

Christ. I wanna be drinking with Red.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Don't worry boys. The Pack will come back to win this one by a nose.

[gbgary]

don't rush the punter. just block!!!!

[pittstang5]

Piss poor

[pbmax]

Monty way too aggressive. Personal fouls would have been first down.

[Fritz]

Uh, they need to score a TD about now.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Don't worry boys. The Pack will come back to win this one by a nose.

I agree. And best of all, overtime is now very unlikely

[beveaux1]

Defense has played well in the 2nd half. Offense needs to hold up their end of the deal.

[Rutnstrut]

Uh, they need to score a TD about now.

And maybe play with a sense of urgency. They are listless and flat, but that's yet another stubby trait.

[gbgary]

got to get a td and another stop right after.

[Fritz]

When you read these game threads you realize not only is this not fun, it's fucking excruciating.

[Harlan Huckleby]

twinkle toes PErrillo

[Maxie the Taxi]

Did you see Perillo's nimble feet on that one.

[pittstang5]

When you read these game threads you realize not only is this not fun, it's fucking excruciating.

Here, Here!

[pbmax]

If they could teach what Perillo knows about not taking a direct hit and moving forward for yardage after contact to Rodgers, they would have one nice backup TE.

[pittstang5]

WHY ARE YU THROWING IT DEEP!!!!!!!!!!!

[gbgary]

we needed 6 there...6.

[Harlan Huckleby]

WTF, hail mary on third and six!?

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

Aaron loves to force balls deep.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Six yds needed for a first. Throw downfield thirty yards into double coverage. Overthrew by five yds.

[Teamcheez1]

Another stupid throw by Rodgers.

There will be no comeback with him at QB.

[Rutnstrut]

Guys open short, but go for the big play and miss it by a mile.

[pbmax]

How the hell is this team leading the League in 3rd down conversions?

Another nice combo route.

And punter gives up.

[beveaux1]

Bad punt.

[King Friday]

3rd and 6. 40 yard pass downfield.

I'm so tired of it.

[red]

3rd and 6, he had dickrod if he would have thrown out towards the sideline, just past the first down

but he had to go for the double covered home run ball

[Rutnstrut]

Aaron loves to force balls deep.

It's not forcing anything when he misses as big as he does.

[pbmax]

Cobb might have been open with quick throw on the flat route.

[red]

When you read these game threads you realize not only is this not fun, it's fucking excruciating.

yeah, i'm not even paying attention to the game

i'm over this team i think

[Rutnstrut]

It could be like I have suggested before. Rodgers may just not be that good.

[beveaux1]

3rd and 6, he had dickrod if he would have thrown out towards the sideline, just past the first down

but he had to go for the double covered home run ball

That looked like a give up throw.

[King Friday]

When you read these game threads you realize not only is this not fun, it's fucking excruciating.

You also realize just how incompetent McCarthy and his coaching staff is.

[SMBASS]

When you read these game threads you realize not only is this not fun, it's fucking excruciating.

Last year the H.S., College, and Pro teams I pull for were 27-0 at one point. This year they're a combined 12-15 after the first 27 games. Needless to say, I haven't had much to root for this year so I just have another drink and try not to get too excited about what happens one way or the other.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Pick six coming.

[Teamcheez1]

Game over fellas.

This falls on the offense again. It fell on the offense last week too.

[pbmax]

Gunter got trashed on that route for no apparent reason.

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

God, they are kicking our ass....

[Harlan Huckleby]

8-8 may win the NFC North

[Cheesehead Craig]

Unless the defense gets a score, we can't win

[red]

boomer doesn't know a fucking thing

good job by green bay, they were gonna blitz, but they saw the run so they got out of that

completes 40 yard pass

[King Friday]

Gunter is about as fast as I am. How the hell is he an NFL CB?

[gbgary]

game over if they get a td here.

[beveaux1]

There's the D we know.

[pbmax]

boomer doesn't know a fucking thing

good job by green bay, they were gonna blitz, but they saw the run so they got out of that

completes 40 yard pass

It was a great adjustment, but safety was WAY late and Gunter was WAY burned.

[Rutnstrut]

Gunter is about as fast as I am. How the hell is he an NFL CB?

Because TT loves cheap mediocre talent.

[pbmax]

Jones pressure and near sack.

[Teamcheez1]

I used to like Aaron Rodgers.

He has become the Jay Cutler of the Packers.

[King Friday]

8-8 may win the NFC North

I'm sure Detroit will win the division at this point. They are apparently the only team that is playing like they want it.

[pbmax]

Hyde is down.

[Teamcheez1]

Hyde is down.

He's never been up.

[red]

It could be like I have suggested before. Rodgers may just not be that good.

i think he's just cashing a paycheck

he use to work his ass off to prepare for games, then he got that massive new contract.

then he had a couple good games, and then its been all downhill where it looks like he's just saying "fuck it" out there

[Freak Out]

Who is the Packer QB? Rex Grossman?

[Rutnstrut]

i think he's just cashing a paycheck

he use to work his ass off to prepare for games, then he got that massive new contract.

then he had a couple good games, and then its been all downhill where it looks like he's just saying "fuck it" out there

I think it's because he's a liberal vegan.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Worst thing about these national tv games is you start to get calls from in-laws rubbing it in. Step son just told me "at least the squirrel knows where the End Zone is."

[pbmax]

Brice with 10 yard illegal contact.

[red]

oh thats terrible

is it on brice now to get the plays and get everyone set up on d?

[Teamcheez1]

I have tickets to a Packer game later this year. I'm almost to the point of not even wanting to go.

[Cheesehead Craig]

There's your dagger

[pbmax]

There is your dagger. Right in the gut.

[red]

defense has joined the "fuck it" bandwagon

[Maxie the Taxi]

Colts' players act like their are excited to be here.

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

shoulda went walleye fishing...

[Bretsky]

2 TDs win, and there is a lot of time in game


EVEN if one was theirs ??????????? You can NOT count on our defense today

[red]

haha didn't even try to plug that hole

this team has quit on its coach and season on both sides of the ball

[pbmax]

I have tickets to a Packer game later this year. I'm almost to the point of not even wanting to go.

Which game?

[Rutnstrut]

I have tickets to a Packer game later this year. I'm almost to the point of not even wanting to go.

Just go and drink and tailgate.

[Teamcheez1]

Who is the Packer QB? Rex Grossman?

16-31 178 yds with a QB rating of 66.3.

I think Grossman was better.

[Rutnstrut]

shoulda went walleye fishing...

I should have stayed out hunting...

[SMBASS]

shoulda went walleye fishing...

Big +111 Old!

[Teamcheez1]

Which game?

I bought tickets for all the male members (6) of my family to attend the Redskins game at FedEx field. We have seen every away game played there for the last 20 years or so.

[red]

I have tickets to a Packer game later this year. I'm almost to the point of not even wanting to go.

i'll give you 5 bucks for them

just so i can sell then to someone else for $100, to one of the brain dead sheep that think we can win the super bowl, even if we're 5-10

[pittstang5]

SMH!

[Bretsky]

Guion is not Raji at nose.


AH....but the real question.

How would the Dirty Crab have looked in Green n Gold if we drafted the BPA instead of Raji :)))

[pbmax]

Between this and the Badgers' Offense, I might give up football this year.

NCAA Basketball has started and the Granato hockey empire might be exciting.

[red]

Just go and drink and tailgate.

i went to a few michigan state games where i never went in the stadium

those were the best games

[King Friday]

haha didn't even try to plug that hole

this team has quit on its coach and season on both sides of the ball

Obvious to us, but Thompson and the Packer brass are living the high life and are letting this team head right back to the 1980s. McCarthy is here to stay for a LONG time, mumbling and bumbling all along the way, unfortunately.

[pbmax]

AH....but the real question.

How would the Dirty Crab have looked in Green n Gold if we drafted the BPA instead of Raji :)))

He'd be a terrible nose tackle

[pittstang5]

OH MY FUCKIN GOD!!!!

Why is Rogers even in there, this game is over. Put in HUNDLEY!!!!

[King Friday]

I hope someone breaks Rodgers' leg.

[pbmax]

I do not need Adams to get garbage time point, fantasy speaking that is. :lol:

[beveaux1]

You know, we've been pretty beat up since the beginning of the season. That lack of talent at different positions, including skill positions will eventually show up. We may have been a contender at the start of the season, but we're just a team playing a lot of JAGs now. Look at our WRs. How many are JAGs? What about our RBs? Any JAGs there? Now look at the TEs. Any of those players JAGs? I think out of our skill players, maybe AR and Nelson are not JAGs. Probably no wonder they can't seem to click on offense.

[pittstang5]

Now RUN THE FUCKIN BALLL

[King Friday]

Amazing what happens when you throw it underneath.

[Rutnstrut]

Obvious to us, but Thompson and the Packer brass are living the high life and are letting this team head right back to the 1980s. McCarthy is here to stay for a LONG time, mumbling and bumbling all along the way, unfortunately.

As I have said on this forum for years. TT and stubby are happy with the status quo.

[pbmax]

I hope they keep blitzing him. Still time.

[Teamcheez1]

I thought if we won this one we had a reasonable shot at the division and for sure a wild card.

Is this the year we don't make the playoffs?

[pittstang5]

Whoop-DEE-fuckin Do!!!

[Bretsky]

Just a horrible horrible long pass to Adams; that should have been a TD

[pbmax]

Amazing what happens when you throw it underneath.

In first half, nothing happened underneath. The forty yard gain earlier is difference. though nice red zone play.

[King Friday]

There are your garbage points for Adams.

Hell, he'll probably get another one.

[Rutnstrut]

You know, we've been pretty beat up since the beginning of the season. That lack of talent at different positions, including skill positions will eventually show up. We may have been a contender at the start of the season, but we're just a team playing a lot of JAGs now. Look at our WRs. How many are JAGs? What about our RBs? Any JAGs there? Now look at the TEs. Any of those players JAGs? I think out of our skill players, maybe AR and Nelson are not JAGs. Probably no wonder they can't seem to click on offense.

Aren't the WR's all the ones they chose to start the season with?

[Teamcheez1]

Not that good of a throw. He needed to lead the receiver a bit more.

[pittstang5]

I thought if we won this one we had a reasonable shot at the division and for sure a wild card.

Is this the year we don't make the playoffs?

Probably and get a shitty draft pick too

[King Friday]

It doesn't matter Phil...you have to convert it either way.

[pbmax]

It doesn't matter Phil...you have to convert it either way.

Don't try to reason with Phil about game strategy. He'll lower your IQ by 10 points before you are done.

[King Friday]

Don't try to reason with Phil about game strategy. He'll lower your IQ by 10 points before you are done.

Morehead State is always the place to go for elite football strategy learning.

[Rutnstrut]

Don't try to reason with Phil about game strategy. He'll lower your IQ by 10 points before you are done.

Proof that concussions do affect the brain.

[yetisnowman]

McCarthy is a dumbass. The last thing you want is a td/th combo not to be able to tie. You save the hardest score for last. Thought that was common knowledge.

[pbmax]

Need a sack or tip drill.

[pbmax]

Nice to face a coach too chicken to go for it.

[Rutnstrut]

Nice to face a coach too chicken to go for it.

Because they would have gotten it.

[pittstang5]

can this game end already so I can be pissed off for the next couple days

[Rutnstrut]

can this game end already so I can be pissed off for the next couple days

Nah, they will do just enough to get your hopes up.

[pbmax]

Because they would have gotten it.

Don't know about that. Packers have yielded a lot of 4th D conversions.

[Teamcheez1]

Imagine if our offense had showed up for the first 50 minutes of the game?

[red]

are they in prevent?

is that why our offence looks somewhat decent right now?

[pittstang5]

HURRY UP!!!

[Rutnstrut]

Where was this urgency earlier?

[SMBASS]

Don't try to reason with Phil about game strategy. He'll lower your IQ by 10 points before you are done.

Good advice pb. As Mark Twain, George Carlin, and my Grandpa among others always used to say, "Never argue with an idiot...they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."!

[pbmax]

Ted Mochachino is the D coordinator.

[red]

he's got a heart piercing int left in him

[King Friday]

Well, this is the Colts defense we are used to seeing.

[pbmax]

Jordy with first down AND get our of bounds. Good job buddy!

[red]

Good advice pb. As Mark Twain, George Carlin, and my Grandpa among others always used to say, "Never argue with an idiot...they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."!

hey keep the election and politics out of this forum

[pbmax]

Woot!

[Teamcheez1]

I guess this is the way to pad the stats and make the game look closer than it really was.

[King Friday]

Smart move by Nelson to go for the sideline instead of the TD.

[pittstang5]

Whoop DEE Fuckin Do!

[pbmax]

Don't know if that was Cobb's route OR move, but loved it.

[pbmax]

hey keep the election and politics out of this forum

That is fiction, not politics red. :lol:

[pittstang5]

Now time for the Defense to shit the bed!!!

[pbmax]

Not sure about ho huddle, but the one time in second half I saw Rodgers motion for it, M3 waved him off to send subs out. Might have been one time thing.

[gbgary]

i was wondering where everyone went. lol

[pbmax]

Would the nice to have all three timeouts. Two will have to do.

[pbmax]

No!! Don't call it on first down. Would rather call it after successful second down.

[pbmax]

C'mon Nick!

[gbgary]

incomplete...and that stops the clock.

[pbmax]

Unbelievable.

[gbgary]

ugh...they had him but he got away.

[King Friday]

free time out from the Colts.

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

Fundamentals, learn how to tackle.

[pbmax]

HaHa blew that.

[Teamcheez1]

No surprise that one of our safeties doesn't make a play when we need it. Dix (regardless of the INT's today) and Burnett have been nothing more than average this year.

[pbmax]

HaHa blew that.

Was lovely blitz call too.

[gbgary]

need a turnover.

[pbmax]

need a turnover.

Take a sack.

[beveaux1]

Game.

[pbmax]

See how those routes crossed and opened a WR? Need to see more of that on Packer O. Saw a little of it in second half.

[King Friday]

No shock...they go after Gunter.

[beveaux1]

We really have a bad pass defense.

[Teamcheez1]

I was almost fooled for a few minutes that this team would make a miraculous comeback.

Let's face it, the arrow is pointing down for this team when you lose to the Colts at home.

[Bossman641]

Ugh, defense shits the bed back to back weeks

[gbgary]

blitzing so much today has been counter productive. once they saw it was going to be futile they should've cut back immediately.

[gbgary]

now i get to watch your bucks make my Mavs go 0-6.

[beveaux1]

4-4 is about how good we are. Just not really a contender with the skill guys we have.

[beveaux1]

4-4 is about how good we are. Just not really a contender with the skill guys we have.

Or the coverage guys we have.

[pittstang5]

shit the bed

[yetisnowman]

See how those routes crossed and opened a WR? Need to see more of that on Packer O. Saw a little of it in second half.

Also helps when you have a safety and a linebacker that don't drop into coverage and don't blitz, but just stand flat footed 7 yards past the LOS.

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

Their coming back at the end just prolongs our agony of watching a team in decline, when instead, they should blow it up, salvage what they can and start anew.

[esoxx]

Time for a change.

[gbgary]

We really have a bad pass defense.

young and inexperienced gets you this. at least min lost. now we HAVE to win the next three.

[pittstang5]

There's so much wrong with this team.

[Rutnstrut]

Or the coverage guys we have.

Or the head coach we have.

[gbgary]

There's so much wrong with this team.

not enough talent, forever injured, stubborn gen manager, confusing coach, too many inexperienced players.

[gbgary]

...

[red]

not enough talent, forever injured, stubborn gen manager, confusing coach, too many inexperienced players.

yeah, that about sums it up for me

[TravisWilliams23]

Perhaps the McCarthy era has run its course in GB.
Almost every phase of the team seem to under perform every week. They're putting a bad product on the field now for the fan's and that shouldn't be tolerated.
I'd look for a change after the season if thing don't get turned around. It hasn't happened in over a year now and I don't expect MM has anything left to go to.
I don't know who said it but the Packers have become "boring" and that's not good enough in Green Bay.

[yetisnowman]

not enough talent, forever injured, stubborn gen manager, confusing coach, too many inexperienced players.

You forgot our best player and team leader playing at a pedestrian level for the past 20 games.

[gbgary]

Perhaps the McCarthy era has run its course in GB.


if they were playing like this with all the #1's i might agree but it isn't the case.

[gbgary]

You forgot our best player and team leader playing at a pedestrian level for the past 20 games.

best player- yes,
team leader- ? we really don't know the locker room dynamic he presents. he says he's not a raw-raw guy,
pedestrian for 20 games- you know that's not accurate. he's had several good games sprinkled in that sample. some meh, some poor, 1-2 bad.

like i said earlier the injuries coupled with so many rookies and back-ups playing has taken it's toll. hoped they'd win today, bring back some starters next week and win again, and set up some momentum for wash and phi. i figured a win today and win 2 out of the next 3 would be great...but no. now it's win the next three or the season is done.

[yetisnowman]

best player- yes,
team leader- ? we really don't know the locker room dynamic he presents. he says he's not a raw-raw guy,
pedestrian for 20 games- you know that's not accurate. he's had several good games sprinkled in that sample. some meh, some poor, 1-2 bad.

like i said earlier the injuries coupled with so many rookies and back-ups playing has taken it's toll. hoped they'd win today, bring back some starters next week and win again, and set up some momentum for wash and phi. i figured a win today and win 2 out of the next 3 would be great...but no. now it's win the next three or the season is done.

You are splitting hairs and playing the semantics game. It's not about being rah-rah, he's the team leader in the sense that he's a 9 year starting quarterback in the nfl, a former mvp, all-pro, the face of the franchise.
Yes pedestrian. For about 20 games he's played about 4 halves of good-great football. I'm pretty sure guys like Case Keenum.and Blaine Gabbert could say something similar. He shows flashes of brilliance, but if you look at his numbers over that time frame, they speak for themselves. He's been a fairly innaccurate qb, that doesn't accumulate a lot of yards, and his team has been losing more than they are winning. That's the truth.

[Pugger]

You are splitting hairs and playing the semantics game. It's not about being rah-rah, he's the team leader in the sense that he's a 9 year starting quarterback in the nfl, a former mvp, all-pro, the face of the franchise.
Yes pedestrian. For about 20 games he's played about 4 halves of good-great football. I'm pretty sure guys like Case Keenum.and Blaine Gabbert could say something similar. He shows flashes of brilliance, but if you look at his numbers over that time frame, they speak for themselves. He's been a fairly innaccurate qb, that doesn't accumulate a lot of yards, and his team has been losing more than they are winning. That's the truth.

You are right, hasn't played well for good stretches in the past 20 games. I can't believe his skills have gone to hell but he is probably getting bad habits that aren't being addressed by this coaching staff. His fundamentals are poor and he doesn't take what the defense gives him. Every player needs coaching so perhaps AR needs a new approach from fresh eyes.

[pbmax]

They have never taken what the defense gives them short. They will always look to go deep if there is single coverage somewhere. That is the entire design of the offense.

Its also part of what is broken right now because the deep ball isn't working.

[denverYooper]

They have never taken what the defense gives them short. They will always look to go deep if there is single coverage somewhere. That is the entire design of the offense.

Its also part of what is broken right now because the deep ball isn't working.

In a way, it's as if the great play of the OL has emboldened M3 to pursue his offensive design in the face of evidence that most of his skills players lack the ability to win their individual battles.

[pbmax]

In a way, it's as if the great play of the OL has emboldened M3 to pursue his offensive design in the face of evidence that most of his skills players lack the ability to win their individual battles.

the part that baffles me still is that despite this design, all the WR still stop to look at the QB. I am guessing to check if ball came out or if he is running.

But how about continuing the route while looking?

[Rutnstrut]

the part that baffles me still is that despite this design, all the WR still stop to look at the QB. I am guessing to check if ball came out or if he is running.

But how about continuing the route while looking?

If they are doing it in a game, (stopping and looking) they are more than likely doing it in practice. Why hasn't coaching dealt with it there?

[yetisnowman]

They have never taken what the defense gives them short. They will always look to go deep if there is single coverage somewhere. That is the entire design of the offense.

Its also part of what is broken right now because the deep ball isn't working.

I don't think Aaron has accepted that Jordy is not the same player he used to be. Throwing a jumpball to him doesn't have the success rate it used to. So many times Aaron threw mid-deep throws into tight single coverage when underneath throws were open. He even tried a jumpball to Allison in the redzone when multiple underneath throws were open. And when is he is looking deep, then occasionally someone is open deep. The problem is he is innaccurate on those throws 9 out of 10 times.

[pbmax]

If they are doing it in a game, (stopping and looking) they are more than likely doing it in practice. Why hasn't coaching dealt with it there?

I have no idea. Its baffling. Some of it is the route, lotta interior routes turn back to QB regardless of which offense is running it.

Some of this is an editorial decision by TV, how many outlets show you the full play in order to demonstrate who is open? And the deep guys usually keep going.

Probably has more to do with number of incomplete plays (plus Rodgers running) than anything else.

[woodbuck27]

http://www.rotoworld.com/boxscore/nfl/9/8997/GB-vs-IND

The game stat's.

Jordan Todman's efforts on KO Returns (160 yards) and contribution on ultimate offense stands out as a big plus for Indy.

[woodbuck27]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/11/07/ugly-home-losses-lack-of-juice-put-mike-mccarthy-firmly-on-the-hot-seat/

Aaron Rodgers calls out the Packers but who was he targeting?

[Pugger]

They have never taken what the defense gives them short. They will always look to go deep if there is single coverage somewhere. That is the entire design of the offense.

Its also part of what is broken right now because the deep ball isn't working.

Well, that offensive scheme doesn't fit the players we have right now. Jordy isn't as fast as he once was. None of our WRs have any speed besides Janis who screws up too much and Davis is a raw rookie who is too small right now.

[pbmax]

This is where the problem becomes chicken and egg. Rodgers has had open WRs deep. He has missed several. Several have been dropped. Some have been very close to completion by off by a tiny fraction so that its hard to assign blame.

If you hit those, like he did in Atlanta early, then the offense looks completely different.

His line yesterday was 94.8 rating, 26/43 for 60.5% for 297yards and 6.9 per attempt. It was all short ball with no YAC, and despite being short ball, the completion percentage was pretty low.

What's missing? Easy in rhythm throws for YAC, big plays (to bring Y/A up) and better red zone production.

None of it is a catastrophe, which is why the inability of fix it for 20 games is mind numbing.

[beveaux1]

It may be that because we are so close to hitting those quick strikes, MM and AR keep trying them and keep the iso routes as the staple of the offense.

It's just hard to believe that almost everyone sees this as a problem and he hasn't completely changed his approach.

[denverYooper]

It may be that because we are so close to hitting those quick strikes, MM and AR keep trying them and keep the iso routes as the staple of the offense.

It's just hard to believe that almost everyone sees this as a problem and he hasn't completely changed his approach.

The frustrating thing to me is that he has partially changed his approach to suit his current offense's abilities but cannot resist going back to what he really wants to be able to do.

[pbmax]

The frustrating thing to me is that he has partially changed his approach to suit his current offense's abilities but cannot resist going back to what he really wants to be able to do.

Part of it has to be retraining the QB as well. There is always someone running deep to occupy a safety, so that choice can always be made. Need to train to get away from it while working on rest of offense.

[Patler]

Part of it has to be retraining the QB as well. There is always someone running deep to occupy a safety, so that choice can always be made. Need to train to get away from it while working on rest of offense.

Yup, it that ingrained decision making that gives you an overthrow to a fairly well covered Geranimo Allison at the back of the endzone when there is a wide open Davis(?) 10 yards away.

[denverYooper]

Good point.

[woodbuck27]

It may be that because we are so close to hitting those quick strikes, MM and AR keep trying them and keep the iso routes as the staple of the offense.

It's just hard to believe that almost everyone sees this as a problem and he hasn't completely changed his approach.

MM is a very stubborn man otherwise that might be interpreted as dumb.