Are we legit at Year End, or does the fall continue ??

[Bretsky]

Thoughts ?

[woodbuck27]

The Green Bay Packers at present is a franchise that is drowning.

[arcilite]

The Green Bay Packers at present is a franchise that is drowning.

I concur

[Rastak]

Nah.

They are a flawed team just like Minnesota. If either team gets their shit together and fixes the one of two things that are killing them they can throw their hat into the playoff ring.

[Freak Out]

Gonna get their shit together.

[Zool]

I think we're seeing McCarthy nearing the end as well as Capers. It's Shottenheimer all over again. 8-8 and the lions take the division.

[pbmax]

I can easily see playoffs and missing them. I still think McCarthy has it in him to right the offense, but I have little confidence after 20 games that its going to happen in the next four games.

[Maxie the Taxi]

We may limp into the playoffs, but I'd be shocked if we advance. GB's shtick has become stale -- boring even. Something's got to give.

[MadScientist]

Offense can't beat man coverage. MM has had over a year to fix it and hasn't come close. The schedule is weak, but so are the Packers. 8-8.

[George Cumby]

Stick a fork in them.

This team is due for significant change.

[gbgary]

Rodgers is on a 40 td/ 10 int/ 4000+ yard pace. based on that and getting some guys back i'll say 10-6. hoping for a disaster is not in my dna although it may cross my mind.

[Upnorth]

If we get our secondary healthy we can hit 10-6. But not a playoff threat, unless they start using some man breakers. Our WR's cant beat coverage with out being schemed open.

[mmmdk]

Changes are coming but will it be the right ones? This Packers team, GM and coaches are clutching at straws.

[pbmax]

This team has not been what anyone hoped, certainly on offense and now, it seems, Special Teams. But housecleaning and clutching at straws are probably not the likeliest nor the best descriptions of their chances.



Team DVOA Rank Weight Rank W-L Off Rank Def Rank ST Rank
1PHI 27.5% 1 27.8% 1 4-4 -7.8% 23 -24.5% 1 10.8% 1
2DAL 21.7% 2 22.3% 2 7-1 20.8% 2 -1.2% 14 -0.3% 17
3SEA 20.6% 6 19.8% 5 5-2-1 1.6% 14 -17.7% 6 1.3% 10
4ATL 20.4% 5 22.1% 3 6-3 24.3% 1 8.0% 24 4.1% 6
5NE 19.3% 4 21.0% 4 7-1 18.4% 3 1.7% 18 2.6% 8
6DEN 14.4% 3 15.2% 6 6-3 -6.0% 22 -19.8% 2 0.7% 13
7GB 9.4% 7 9.0% 7 4-4 4.3% 11 -7.7% 7 -2.6% 22
8MIN 8.9% 8 8.5% 9 5-3 -10.3% 25 -18.1% 4 1.1% 12


They are the seventh ranked team in the League by DVOA. As it happens, there aren't a lot of great teams so the Packers might be one of the worst seventh ranked teams in years. But its much more important how they stack up to this year's competition.

Seventh ranked. Not efficient, not getting off the field on 3rd downs and the STs are in a bit of a meltdown. But still seventh ranked.

That is Divisional Round of playoff territory.

[Rutnstrut]

If stubby refuses to remove his head from his rectum, they are doomed. If he actually shows some coaching flexibility, they may have a chance. Even if they make the playoffs I think they will be one and done.

[texaspackerbacker]

Obviously - to me anyway, the Packers are still way better than their current record. That and the fact that the upcoming schedule is so damn easy make for a regular record of 12-4, 11-5, or at very worse 10-6.

The gigantic pisser is that winning out like that will perpetuate the McCarthy/Thompson era with its shitty play calling and overall shoddy job of building a supporting cast to Aaron Rodgers. The degree of success we probably will have will tend to justify the current non-maximizing of the quality and performance of the team while we still have Aaron Rodgers in or near his prime - a clear case of Good being the enemy of Great. Oh well, we can cry all the way to the Super Bowl.

[pbmax]

^ So Tex, its your contentions that the Packers are a 4 or 8 games above five hundred team with bad play calling and a bad roster?

Its all Aaron Rodgers? Was it Aaron when the defense was bailing him out earlier this season?

[denverYooper]

This team has not been what anyone hoped, certainly on offense and now, it seems, Special Teams. But housecleaning and clutching at straws are probably not the likeliest nor the best descriptions of their chances.



Team DVOA Rank Weight Rank W-L Off Rank Def Rank ST Rank
1PHI 27.5% 1 27.8% 1 4-4 -7.8% 23 -24.5% 1 10.8% 1
2DAL 21.7% 2 22.3% 2 7-1 20.8% 2 -1.2% 14 -0.3% 17
3SEA 20.6% 6 19.8% 5 5-2-1 1.6% 14 -17.7% 6 1.3% 10
4ATL 20.4% 5 22.1% 3 6-3 24.3% 1 8.0% 24 4.1% 6
5NE 19.3% 4 21.0% 4 7-1 18.4% 3 1.7% 18 2.6% 8
6DEN 14.4% 3 15.2% 6 6-3 -6.0% 22 -19.8% 2 0.7% 13
7GB 9.4% 7 9.0% 7 4-4 4.3% 11 -7.7% 7 -2.6% 22
8MIN 8.9% 8 8.5% 9 5-3 -10.3% 25 -18.1% 4 1.1% 12


They are the seventh ranked team in the League by DVOA. As it happens, there aren't a lot of great teams so the Packers might be one of the worst seventh ranked teams in years. But its much more important how they stack up to this year's competition.

Seventh ranked. Not efficient, not getting off the field on 3rd downs and the STs are in a bit of a meltdown. But still seventh ranked.

That is Divisional Round of playoff territory.

And #1 is a 4-4 team.

It doesn't hurt from the DVOA standpoint that 3 of those losses came down to a difference of 1-2 plays or that 3 of their losses also came to top 8 DVOA teams (Min is 8th).

It also seem like everyone in the league outside of New England and Cleveland are destined to finish around .500.

[Bretsky]

And #1 is a 4-4 team.

It doesn't hurt from the DVOA standpoint that 3 of those losses came down to a difference of 1-2 plays or that 3 of their losses also came to top 8 DVOA teams (Min is 8th).

It also seem like everyone in the league outside of New England and Cleveland are destined to finish around .500.

somebody needs to break up Hoody Genius and Hoody Genius Jr

[Netmag]

I don't think it'll be any of those options. They are limping along now. Hit or Miss. They'll get a little bit better when some more starters get healthy and/or the backups get better. Then they'll toy with the playoffs and maybe make it, but either way the pinnacle will pretty much be to try to play spoiler to somebody. We're good enough to rise up once and put a scare into any team, but that's about it. Not enough consistency in any phase of the game to do any more than that. After that it'll be back to hoping we hit lightning in a bottle for next year.

We just don't have the consistency of a team like the Patriots. I don't know how they do it, but we can't replicate it. It's not even Tom Brady really. They were able to maintain consistent winning even without him although I'm sure he makes it much easier. We've got the QB, but it's just not enough. You can't rely only on big plays by 1 or 2 players to win consistently in this league. We won't be the bears, but right now we can't be anything more than a playoff spoiler either. I't's definitely better than the 80's when we were struggling like the bears are now, but in a different way, it still gets boring and frustrating after a while. You can already see how it's going to end.

[pbmax]

I don't think it'll be any of those options. They are limping along now. Hit or Miss. They'll get a little bit better when some more starters get healthy and/or the backups get better. Then they'll toy with the playoffs and maybe make it, but either way the pinnacle will pretty much be to try to play spoiler to somebody. We're good enough to rise up once and put a scare into any team, but that's about it. Not enough consistency in any phase of the game to do any more than that. After that it'll be back to hoping we hit lightning in a bottle for next year.

We just don't have the consistency of a team like the Patriots. I don't know how they do it, but we can't replicate it. It's not even Tom Brady really. They were able to maintain consistent winning even without him although I'm sure he makes it much easier. We've got the QB, but it's just not enough. You can't rely only on big plays by 1 or 2 players to win consistently in this league. We won't be the bears, but right now we can't be anything more than a playoff spoiler either. I't's definitely better than the 80's when we were struggling like the bears are now, but in a different way, it still gets boring and frustrating after a while. You can already see how it's going to end.

Welcome to the forum.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Gonna get their shit together.

we’re going to get it get it together I know
going to get it get it together and flow
going to get it get it together and go


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPNTC7uZYrI

[Tony Oday]

This team is done. 7-9 would be a good year for this team. MM should be booted even if they did the impossible and made the playoffs.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

We just don't have the consistency of a team like the Patriots. I don't know how they do it, but we can't replicate it.

That's cos we have an incompetent polar bear for a GM.

Want to replicate the Pats success in Title Town? Hire someone like Belichick to run the whole-bang....

J-MAC

[Upnorth]

That's cos we have an incompetent polar bear for a GM.

Want to replicate the Pats success in Title Town? Hire someone like Belichick to run the whole-bang....

J-MAC

So just to confirm you are saying that TT is incompetent because he won't hire a once in a generation talent like Belichick.
Why not say he is incompetent for not getting a reggie white in free agency or drafting a don hutson? I mean if you are going to sling shit looking for a pony why not look for a unicorn!

[King Friday]

I wish we would finish 8-8...I think that would likely be the end of Stubby.

However, I'm guessing we squeak into the playoffs and finish another fart in the wind season with a home playoff loss and Stubby emphatically saying he'll get pad levels correct in 2017.

[texaspackerbacker]

^ So Tex, its your contentions that the Packers are a 4 or 8 games above five hundred team with bad play calling and a bad roster?

Its all Aaron Rodgers? Was it Aaron when the defense was bailing him out earlier this season?

Damn Straight. Excellent summary of what I am saying, although I would substitute the word "mediocre" for bad.

Yeah, good D tended to bail out the team, but that was because of personnel shortcomings other than at QB and because of McCarthy's shitty play calling and game planning.

[pbmax]

I wish we would finish 8-8...I think that would likely be the end of Stubby.

However, I'm guessing we squeak into the playoffs and finish another fart in the wind season with a home playoff loss and Stubby emphatically saying he'll get pad levels correct in 2017.

A very good point. Like Sherman, McCarthy's worst performance level is likely to be 500 with Rodgers, the O line and his D.

[pbmax]

Here is something else to worry about. Let's say McCarthy finally gives up on fundamentals fully and spends his time designing plays to get guys open quickly short for YAC.

Let's say the increased confidence and the increase in the number of plays gives Rodgers/Nelson/Adams/Janis time to straighten out how to catch a deep ball.

Will they be able to solve cover 2 man on the fly when it comes back into the picture?

[Fritz]

This reminds me of a few years ago - what year was that? - when they seemed to have the pieces, but they kept shooting themselves in the foot when the division was theirs for the taking. They finally won it, or got into the playoffs, by beating the Bears I think during the last game. Then they sucked in the first playoff game and died. Did they go 9-7 that year?

They just don't seem to have the stars to make a run. Lots of pretty good guys, not enough starpower. And Clay Mathews isn't playing like a star much anymore, when he does even play.

[pbmax]

This reminds me of a few years ago - what year was that? - when they seemed to have the pieces, but they kept shooting themselves in the foot when the division was theirs for the taking. They finally won it, or got into the playoffs, by beating the Bears I think during the last game. Then they sucked in the first playoff game and died. Did they go 9-7 that year?

They just don't seem to have the stars to make a run. Lots of pretty good guys, not enough starpower. And Clay Mathews isn't playing like a star much anymore, when he does even play.

10-6 wasn't it? That was the year no one bought playoff tickets and the 49ers game at Lambeau had 40,000 tickets available.

I am OK with that. Would like to go back and even my playoff record.

[Joemailman]

10-6 wasn't it? That was the year no one bought playoff tickets and the 49ers game at Lambeau had 40,000 tickets available.

I am OK with that. Would like to go back and even my playoff record.

That was 2013 when the Packers went 8-7-1. Rodgers returned last week from his broken collarbone and they beat the Bears on the long pass to Cobb.

[Fritz]

That was it. It was exciting, but you know it was a sucky team and wasn't going far in the playoffs.

I think I'm getting spoiled. Another 10-6 and quick playoff exit and I'm going to be wondering if Ted should walk away. Time for some new blood.

Am I turning into Wist?

[denverYooper]

I think I'm getting spoiled.


Packers fans in general have been spoiled for a long time now. I remember growing up in the 80s when a .500 season was exciting.

[Pugger]

Packers fans in general have been spoiled for a long time now. I remember growing up in the 80s when a .500 season was exciting.

No shit. The 70s were also fun. :-P