Official 2017 NFL draft thread

[bobblehead]

So you actually believe that the Lions, a franchise that has not been able to tie its shoes before heading out to play a game, has seen four times the number of players in the offseason as the Packers?

Thats not fair. They tie them, then EDS unties them.

[bobblehead]

no, they count meeting a player in private at their pro day as a meeting

he might have watched those 12 guys at the badgers pro day, but it looks like he slinked out of there right after the workout without talking to anyone

which makes sence because he's not even close to being a people person

You can knock ted for not signing big free agents, but honestly his track record in the draft is damn good. You are doing the political thing where you form an opinion and then desperately search for facts and story lines that fit it afterwards.

[bobblehead]

I think you guys are nuts to think dunderdummy is doing a good job... the results and statistics simply do not validate your support for him.

It is obvious he and TT are not on the same page in the least - and since both are still in their long-standing positions, and that is not likely to change until we fans are long since in the grave... why would any of you expect anything to change??

We've been hashing this out for years, and for years we've been watching the same movie in reruns - yet you guys keep hangin in there. I'll give you credit for loyalty, but loyalty isn't winning us championships.

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As for the draft...

This is as wide open a draft as I can ever remember. Some of the sites I was looking at had Melifonwu going in the 3rd-4th round, now I see him being mocked in the 1st. Figures - all the guys I want are steadily being moved up the boards - and we either won't have a shot at them, or TT will spit on them anyway.

A lot of the corners I've been looking at seem to be carbon copies of Randall and Rollins. I think Rollins would be the better player in the right system, but Capers isn't capable of coaching or calling anything but man-to-man.

Which makes players like Reddick and Melifonwu completely useless to us. Capers refusal to play zone, and his refusal to adjust his scheme and playcalling to the strengths of the players takes a lot of very good players off our board. If TT goes ahead and drafts them - dunderdummy will stubbornly misuse them.

Still, as a fan I have to hope that he'll get his head out of his ass and that TT and Packers scouting dept will suddenly get things figured out on the defensive side of the ball. Unfortunately, there's next to no chance of that happening.

Wist you contradict yourself. Capers made his name playing zone. He has adjusted to young talent not immediately learning the nuances of zone coverage by playing man...i.e. adjusting to the talent he has. Go look up zone blitz sometime. I know you won't have to, you know better, but like Red you are making an argument I don't even think you believe because it fits your preconceived notion about Capers.

[pbmax]

How many people remember the charge that Ted didn't know how to draft Offensive Lineman because he did not value them enough?

http://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2017/04/17/putting-ted-thompsons-draft-fortunes-line/100570368/

[bobblehead]

How many people remember the charge that Ted didn't know how to draft Offensive Lineman because he did not value them enough?

http://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2017/04/17/putting-ted-thompsons-draft-fortunes-line/100570368/

Crossed my mind many times. I might have even contributed to that meme since I value OL more than most. I sure hope he hit on spriggs. Anyone hear anything about his weight this offseason? Hope he was hanging around Lacy for awhile.

[pbmax]

So in last day, allegation was dug up of Mixon in another altercation with a woman, this time in HS. Might have been Facebook post about it at time by the girl's father.

The guy who posted it has now recanted the claim, saying he posted the charge before knowing the whole story. Mixon's lawyer released a recent statement from the guy.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/04/19/high-school-allegation-against-joe-mixon-was-recanted/

Earlier mention of the HS report during the investigation of the college punch: https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/college-sports/collegesports/2017/02/09/woman-punched-oklahomas-joe-mixon-says-assault-occurred-rejected-sexual-advances

[pbmax]

McGinn on the running backs: http://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/mcginn/2017/04/19/mcginn-nfl-draft-rb-teams-weigh-risk-mixon/100605766/?hootPostID=8f50d90a0a718f00630b72fb80d766cc


On Mixon
This month, the Journal Sentinel asked executives in personnel from 11 teams this question: What round, if any, would you feel comfortable drafting Joe Mixon?

Six personnel men said they had made the decision not to draft Mixon under any circumstances. Of the three that would select Mixon, one said first round and two said third round. Two executives declined to comment.

[Joemailman]

Wist you contradict yourself. Capers made his name playing zone. He has adjusted to young talent not immediately learning the nuances of zone coverage by playing man...i.e. adjusting to the talent he has. Go look up zone blitz sometime. I know you won't have to, you know better, but like Red you are making an argument I don't even think you believe because it fits your preconceived notion about Capers.

I remember when Capers was hired some people questioned if that would reduce Al Harris' effectiveness, since Al seen as a man guy. Another reason Capers may have gone more man in recent years is because Shields was not seen as a zone guy. I wonder if the approach will change now that Shields is out of the picture.

[pbmax]

Adam Schefter‏ @AdamSchefter 34s34 seconds ago
NFL notified teams that Michigan’s Jabril Peppers tested positive for a dilute sample at the combine, league sources tell ESPN.

[BZnDallas]

No way he's there at our second round pick is there? I'd take him to fill Hyde's position.

[pbmax]

No way he's there at our second round pick is there? I'd take him to fill Hyde's position.

Hard to know. But I would like to know just how diluted the sample was.


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[Maxie the Taxi]

Adam Schefter‏ @AdamSchefter 34s34 seconds ago
NFL notified teams that Michigan’s Jabril Peppers tested positive for a dilute sample at the combine, league sources tell ESPN.Same thing happened to Reuben Foster who is a real piece of work. Apparently, Foster got into a fight with a hospital worker at the combine!


Alabama ILB Reuben Foster failed his Combine drug test.
Foster's sample was diluted, which counts as a failed test. He's now in the league's substance-abuse program. Foster claims he failed the test because he was extremely ill and taking in an exceptional amount of fluids. This adds to a nightmare Combine for Foster, who was sent home after getting into an altercation with a hospital worker. Foster is recovering from shoulder surgery. Foster is an elite talent, but could fall to Day 2 because of his growing off-the-field concerns.

[pbmax]

Sackseer numbers from Football Outsiders: Its their projection Edge players in the pros. It like athletic measurables, sack and pass defense production.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/nfl-draft/2017/sackseer-2017

In order:
1. Myles Garrett (doesn't think he is Von Miller though, as other pundit's have claimed)
2. TJ Watt
3. Tyus Bowser, Houston
4. Derek Barnett, Tennessee (this group of three behind Garrett are very close)
5. Solomon Thomas, Stanford
6. Jordan Willis, Kansas State
7. Takkarist McKinley, UCLA
8. Taco Charlton, Michigan

Bust Alert:
1. Charles Harris, Missouri - not a first or second rounder, plays more like run stuffer

Previous versions of this have liked Nick Perry.

[Smidgeon]

Sackseer numbers from Football Outsiders: Its their projection Edge players in the pros. It like athletic measurables, sack and pass defense production.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/nfl-draft/2017/sackseer-2017

In order:
1. Myles Garrett (doesn't think he is Von Miller though, as other pundit's have claimed)
2. TJ Watt
3. Tyus Bowser, Houston
4. Derek Barnett, Tennessee (this group of three behind Garrett are very close)
5. Solomon Thomas, Stanford
6. Jordan Willis, Kansas State
7. Takkarist McKinley, UCLA
8. Taco Charlton, Michigan

Bust Alert:
1. Charles Harris, Missouri - not a first or second rounder, plays more like run stuffer

Previous versions of this have liked Nick Perry.

If this has any significant correlation to success, I'd be happy with Watt. Up until this point, I'm not sure I wanted him in the first...

[Smidgeon]

I should also state, however, that I have zero knowledge of prospects at this point. I don't watch college or youtube videos, and I build my opinion based on this forum and the occasional mock draft/article.

[pbmax]

If this has any significant correlation to success, I'd be happy with Watt. Up until this point, I'm not sure I wanted him in the first...

The record of this one is pretty good, especially at sniffing out fan favorites and putting the kibosh on the hype. But they also have a few misses on both sides.

[gbgary]

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[wist43]

Sackseer numbers from Football Outsiders: Its their projection Edge players in the pros. It like athletic measurables, sack and pass defense production.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/nfl-draft/2017/sackseer-2017

In order:
1. Myles Garrett (doesn't think he is Von Miller though, as other pundit's have claimed)
2. TJ Watt
3. Tyus Bowser, Houston
4. Derek Barnett, Tennessee (this group of three behind Garrett are very close)
5. Solomon Thomas, Stanford
6. Jordan Willis, Kansas State
7. Takkarist McKinley, UCLA
8. Taco Charlton, Michigan

Bust Alert:
1. Charles Harris, Missouri - not a first or second rounder, plays more like run stuffer

Previous versions of this have liked Nick Perry.

I don't want Watt or Harris in the 1st round.

I think Harris has lost some athleticism, speed, and bend as he has put on weight; and, I don't think Watt is a 1st round talent at this time. He might be a 1st round value in a few years as he fills out and gets stronger; but that, by definition, makes him a developmental project.

Off of that list I wouldn't want Willis in the 1st either... I think he's a decent player, but he has a limited ceiling.

[pbmax]

I can't speak for this guy as an actual scout, but every draftnik I read believes his reporting. He has a final roundup of rumors from each team, which is nice because it reminds me of the mock draft Paul Zimmerman used to do, repeating each rumor as he heard it and then making fun of the dumber ones.


Green Bay Packers: A source on the scouting staff said the plan is to go defense early and often in this draft, unless a surprise player falls in Round 1. The same source said Joe Mixon is very much in play in Round 2. He remains on their board.

Matt Miller: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2705378-matt-millers-scouting-notebook-latest-draft-buzz-updated-big-board-more

[pbmax]

Teams to worry about taking your favorite CB

Bills - Marshon Lattimore
Bears - Marshon Lattimore
Cowboys - Kevin King and potentially Cordrea Tankersley
Texans - Gareon Conley and Marlon Humphrey
Rams - someone
Saints - Marlon Humphrey
Eagles - Conley
Seachickens - someone
Buccaneers - Chidobe Awuzie
Titans - Marshon Lattimore

[gbgary]

Teams to worry about taking your favorite CB

Bills - Marshon Lattimore
Bears - Marshon Lattimore
Cowboys - Kevin King and potentially Cordrea Tankersley
Texans - Gareon Conley and Marlon Humphrey
Rams - someone
Saints - Marlon Humphrey
Eagles - Conley
Seachickens - someone
Buccaneers - Chidobe Awuzie
Titans - Marshon Lattimore

the conley dude is under investigation for rape. so he may not be a factor. this makes getting a top cb even harder for the Packers and moving up to get one a higher priority...if tt's so inclined. if he's not...then maybe he would take a chance and draft achillies jones later if he's there.

[Bretsky]

I don't want a stinking CB in round one; Find a Pass Rusher !

[Deputy Nutz]

I don't see a lot of separation between the top 5 or 6 corners in this draft. I see no reason to trade up to take one. After Lattimore is off the board a corner might not be taken for another 15 to 20 picks.

[pbmax]

I don't want a stinking CB in round one; Find a Pass Rusher !

Teams to worry about taking your favorite EDGE rusher:

Pick #
#2 49ers - Solomon Thomas
#9 Bengals - Barnett
#15 Colts - Roddick
#16 Ravens - Barnett

#32 Falcons - Lawson, McKinley, Watt, Harris


Wildcards
1. Cardinal - half the draftniks and rumors say they love Mahomes and are going QB. The other half think the team's offseason points to All-In and they are taking pass rush/defense.
2. Panthers - if there is one thing they are consistent about, its ignoring offense and drafting D lineman
3. Cowboys - if CBs aren't there, expect pass rush
4. Dolphins - interest in pass rush, but possibly not first round
5. Saints - probably with 32nd pick
6. Steelers - recent history of pass rush early (which has worked worse than previous history of finding late gems)

[pbmax]

Teams to worry about taking your favorite CB, in correct draft order

Pick #
#3 Bears - Marshon Lattimore
#5 Titans - Marshon Lattimore
#10 Bills - Marshon Lattimore
#11 and #32 Saints - Marlon Humphrey
#14 Eagles - Conley
#19 Buccaneers - Chidobe Awuzie
#25 Texans - Gareon Conley and Marlon Humphrey
#26 Seachickens - someone
#28 Cowboys - Kevin King and potentially Cordrea Tankersley

[gbgary]

hearing now that as many as four qbs will be taken in the 1st round. if true that's gonna push the cbs our way.

[pbmax]

hearing now that as many as four qbs will be taken in the 1st round. if true that's gonna push the cbs our way.

I hope to George Halas this is true!

[Joemailman]

Speculation is that Conley could drop to the 3rd round because of rape allegation. If he drops from late 1st to late 3rd, based on last year's contracts, he will lose about 6.5 million in his 1st 4 year contract.

[pbmax]

Always remember, sports pundits don't know what the hell they are talking about. Brian Brohm over Aaron Rodgers:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=he0BIKmoq0s

[pbmax]

Ultimate Draft Checklist


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[gbgary]

Speculation is that Conley could drop to the 3rd round because of rape allegation. If he drops from late 1st to late 3rd, based on last year's contracts, he will lose about 6.5 million in his 1st 4 year contract.

depends on rape kit. he and his buddies said nothing happened. if the kit has his dna then something happened. that's the black and white. the question is the gray in the middle. wonder if they can get the test results before the draft begins.

[Deputy Nutz]

Speculation is that Conley could drop to the 3rd round because of rape allegation. If he drops from late 1st to late 3rd, based on last year's contracts, he will lose about 6.5 million in his 1st 4 year contract.

According to Conley he didn't do it. Apparently he has witnesses and everything. Even a video that contradicts her story of events. Either way the Packers should probably take him in the second round if he is still available. He seems like a real good kid on and off the field. Shit happens, make better choices with who you are going to fraternize with. Stranger Danger!!!

[gbgary]

According to Conley he didn't do it. Apparently he has witnesses and everything. Even a video that contradicts her story of events. Either way the Packers should probably take him in the second round if he is still available. He seems like a real good kid on and off the field. Shit happens, make better choices with who you are going to fraternize with. Stranger Danger!!!

if this is true and he's still there at 29...they should take him #1. he was projected to go way before the Packers pick at 29.

[pbmax]

It will be funny/not funny, if teams can get the rape kit or statements about evidence this quickly but the NFL somehow couldn't pry tape away from the Casino for Ray Rice.

[pbmax]

JasonLC on the Saints:

Jason La Canfora @JasonLaCanfora 13m13 minutes ago
Knew it wouldn't be long til I already wanted to update my mock draft. If Saints don't trade out of 11 and Barnett is there, they'll pounce

If Lattimore and Barnett are both gone before 11, and Saints can't trade down then CB a likely pick. Adoree Jackson strong option...

That scenario, at 11, would've been sweet spot for Conley before allegations. Still might be if Saints get comfortable enough w/that case

[pbmax]

Fallacy of Choice or False Dilemma

ProFootballTalk‏ @ProFootballTalk 12m12 minutes ago
How many quarterbacks will go in round one? Definitely three, maybe four, long shot of five

[SavedByGrace]

It'd be nice if we could get a pass rusher in round 1, but I don't feel like there's anyone in our range worth getting. We do need a No. 1 CB. I'm starting to really like Kevin King. Good combine numbers. One thing I REALLY like about him is that he's 6'3". That kind of guy reminds me of what the Seahawks did with Sherman (6'2"?). I think it would really be nice to get some size to our secondary. Someone said it here or in another thread, King might be a great guy to match up with the Julio Jones' of the world. I vote take King with our first pick and then see if we can get Watt tomorrow.

[pbmax]

Mary Kay Cabot‏Verified account
@MaryKayCabot

Myles Garrett will the #Browns pick at No. 1, multiple league sources say

[red]

hearing now that as many as four qbs will be taken in the 1st round. if true that's gonna push the cbs our way.

thats just beyond stupid. i don't even know if there is one worth drafting in the first round

taking the best QB in the draft doesn't matter if the whole class of QB's suck

[red]

theres a rumor out there that the packers really want mixon in the first

but the same article also mentions that it could just be a bait and switch

[Maxie the Taxi]

Mayock's final Top 5 Rankings are out:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000802993/article/mike-mayocks-2017-nfl-draft-position-rankings-40

Running Back

1. Leonard Fournette, LSU
2. Christian McCaffrey, Stanford
3. Alvin Kamara, Tennessee
4. Dalvin Cook, Florida State
5. Samaje Perine, Oklahoma


Cornerback

1. Marshon Lattimore, Ohio State
2. Gareon Conley, Ohio State
3. Adoree' Jackson, USC
4. Marlon Humphrey, Alabama
T-5. Kevin King, Washington
T-5. Tre'Davious White, LSU

Edge rusher

1. Myles Garrett, Texas A&M
2. Solomon Thomas, Stanford
3. Charles Harris, Missouri
4. Derek Barnett, Tennessee
5. Takkarist McKinley, UCLA


Interior OL

1. Forrest Lamp, Western Kentucky
2. Pat Elflein, Ohio State
3. Dion Dawkins, Temple
4. Dan Feeney, Indiana
5. Ethan Pocic, LSU

[Maxie the Taxi]

Adoree' Jackson is now #3 CB? Anyone think he's on TT's radar?

[Guiness]

You know what would make this "must watch TV"? A decibel meter to see how loud the boos for Goodell are. And a betting line/pool on the number.

[esoxx]

Adoree' Jackson is now #3 CB? Anyone think he's on TT's radar?

That's who I voted TT taking with the 1st pick, although i don't think he's going to be around at 29.

[Smidgeon]

theres a rumor out there that the packers really want mixon in the first

but the same article also mentions that it could just be a bait and switch

I didn't think the Packers did bait and switch. I thought they just kept their mouths shut and let others fuel the rumors.

Of course, I could be myopic.

[Fritz]

Maxie, I have heard something about that corner: TT Adorees him.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Why do these guys keep climbing up or sliding down these rankings? I can see a guy sliding if he's accused of rape or whatever. But why is Pat Elflein suddenly the 2nd best guard? Or Kamara the 3rd best RB? These are the same guys they were 3 months ago.

[red]

Why do these guys keep climbing up or sliding down these rankings? I can see a guy sliding if he's accused of rape or whatever. But why is Pat Elflein suddenly the 2nd best guard? Or Kamara the 3rd best RB? These are the same guys they were 3 months ago.

i heard a good bit a week or so ago

its not that guys are climbing up or falling down draft boards

its that the draft experts that aren't in the organizations hear more and more information about how teams are really thinking the closer to the draft we get

so its the "draft experts" figuring out what the real scouts and decision makers are thinking

[Maxie the Taxi]

i heard a good bit a week or so ago

its not that guys are climbing up or falling down draft boards

its that the draft experts that aren't in the organizations hear more and more information about how teams are really thinking the closer to the draft we get

so its the "draft experts" figuring out what the real scouts and decision makers are thinkingDemarcus Walker is now the #2 DLineman. Some organization must really like him. LOL

[red]

wrong thread

[pbmax]

Mitchell Trubisky‏Verified account @Mtrubisky10 27 Dec 2011
I love to kiss tittiess

Mitchell Trubisky‏Verified account @Mtrubisky10 11 Jan 2015
Hell yeah, Go Packers

[red]

yup, its time for this

COREY DAVIS WR

UNDEFEATED WESTERN MICHIGAN BRONCOS

6-3, 215

he's a freak, a good route running with great hands in the mold of another bronco great, greg jennings, only davis is 4 inches taller

if we keep lossing we might even get up in the mike williams range, although davis might be better

its all about WR's right, we should draft 7-10 of them just to make sure we get some that work

BOOM

called in back in november. #5 overall pick

[pbmax]

Demarcus Walker is now the #2 DLineman. Some organization must really like him. LOL

I have heard what red posted for a few years now. Media and draft-niks start to get information late directly from teams after they set their board.