Davante Adams

[beveaux1]

We've been fortunate to see the development of Adams from a marginal #3 receiver to what I believe is a #1 receiver.

If we call a #1 receiver someone who is able to get separation on short passes, have the strength to gain yardage after a catch, and to be able to stretch the field for a quick strike, Adams is beginning to do this on a fairly consistent basis.

I think sometimes we get carried away with the need for a receiver to have incredible straight line speed and think that is the main criteria for a #1 receiver. I would point out that before his injury, Nelson was only thought of as sneaky fast, and no one argued that he was not our go-to receiver.

With Nelson's injury taking away some of his 4th gear, he has become a top notch possession receiver. With his height advantage, he is a scoring threat from the red zone, but in the past 8 games, Adams has become our biggest threat.

I'm of the opinion, if his development continues, that we do not need a first round WR in the next draft, but can continue to draft WRs in the 2nd or 3rd round to look for replacements for Nelson and Cobb when their next contract is due. This would allow an OLB or CB to be picked in the 1st round to replace Peppers or Shields.

[gbgary]

he's becoming a stud. i think he's a 2 right now (Jordy is #1, Cobb #3). because he's stepping up i might be talked into waiting until next year for a wr #1 in the draft...lol. cook's unlucky injury history makes me think TE #1 this year in the draft. either way we need a big weapon for Rodgers.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I figured this would be a Devante Adams dick sucking thread.

I have to admit I didn't see this coming last year. He must have been slowed by injury, because he's not just more consistent, he looks faster.

[RashanGary]

Adams strengths

Explosive/strong
- creates separation in short areas (slants, curls, outs)
- Destroys press coverage. Punches and explodes off the line.
- breaks tackles

Fast enough
- Teams have to respect the double moves. Can't sit on short routes.

Good hands, Tough, tenacious, Good guy......


Adams and Jordy are about equal now, but I agree Adams is our most explosive receiver and is on the cusp of becoming a probowl player.

[gbgary]

I figured this would be a Devante Adams dick sucking thread.

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[Harlan Huckleby]

Probably Jordy's return has helped Adams.

[gbgary]

Probably Jordy's return has helped Adams.

everybody being healthy helps everybody. we know what it looks like when we're down to one healthy guy.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Playing with a ton of confidence and it shows. His development is exactly what the offense needed.

[Tony Oday]

He drops too many passes still, I like the guy but he is a #2 WR.

[MadScientist]

I'll admit, at the beginning of the season I thought he might get cut, and good riddance if he was. To his credit, he's put it all together and is an emerging star receiver. Guess the brain trust at Lambeau knows a wee bit more than I do about the personnel.

[ThunderDan]

I'll admit, at the beginning of the season I thought he might get cut, and good riddance if he was. To his credit, he's put it all together and is an emerging star receiver. Guess the brain trust at Lambeau knows a wee bit more than I do about the personnel.

That's the thing I chuckle about reading this site. We don't get to spend more than 3 hours a week with the players. Maybe a couple more surfing the net and coming here.

TT, MM and the crew spend approximately 100 hours a week during the season invested in the Green Bay Packers. They know tons more than us because they have access to everything.

[Smidgeon]

We've been fortunate to see the development of Adams from a marginal #3 receiver to what I believe is a #1 receiver.

If we call a #1 receiver someone who is able to get separation on short passes, have the strength to gain yardage after a catch, and to be able to stretch the field for a quick strike, Adams is beginning to do this on a fairly consistent basis.

I think sometimes we get carried away with the need for a receiver to have incredible straight line speed and think that is the main criteria for a #1 receiver. I would point out that before his injury, Nelson was only thought of as sneaky fast, and no one argued that he was not our go-to receiver.

With Nelson's injury taking away some of his 4th gear, he has become a top notch possession receiver. With his height advantage, he is a scoring threat from the red zone, but in the past 8 games, Adams has become our biggest threat.

I'm of the opinion, if his development continues, that we do not need a first round WR in the next draft, but can continue to draft WRs in the 2nd or 3rd round to look for replacements for Nelson and Cobb when their next contract is due. This would allow an OLB or CB to be picked in the 1st round to replace Peppers or Shields.

He had a stutter step at some point in the game on one of his routes along the left sideline that didn't slow him down or throw off his stride. It was like a body shudder I only saw in replay. But the timing of it was an attempt to throw the cornerback off a little. Unlike a true double move though, it wasn't required for the route. Which means he's doing those things because they're the little things that make the big things easier.

When he was drafted, he was hailed as an excellent route runner. Now I'm starting to see it.

In other news, Starks is pretty much done now.

[Fritz]

Bretsky, you ready for some mea culpa after lambasting the "Fresno Fraud" for so long?

[Guiness]

That's the thing I chuckle about reading this site. We don't get to spend more than 3 hours a week with the players. Maybe a couple more surfing the net and coming here.

TT, MM and the crew spend approximately 100 hours a week during the season invested in the Green Bay Packers. They know tons more than us because they have access to everything.

Still, you have to admit very few would have been surprised if he had been let go along with Sitton (instead of Sitton?) at the final cut downs. Of course, there might never have been a danger of that as well.

[Fritz]

A lot of people would've been surprised. That's not Ted's M.O., nor is it good practice, to cut a second round pick who showed promise in his first year just because his second year was not so good. That'd be like cutting Rollins after this year. Who would do that but a fan?

[Teamcheez1]

Salaries:

Davante Adams (Age 23)
2016 $1.02M
2017 $1.25M
2018 UFA

Randall Cobb (Age 26)
2016 $9.15M
2017 $12.75M
2018 $12.75M
2019 UFA

Jordy Nelson (Age 31)
2016 $8.3M
2017 $11.55M
2018 $12.55M
2019 UFA

Interesting to look at the salaries versus growth/potential. I definitely think we need to look for some new blood in the draft.

[beveaux1]

Salaries:

Davante Adams (Age 23)
2016 $1.02M
2017 $1.25M
2018 UFA

Randall Cobb (Age 26)
2016 $9.15M
2017 $12.75M
2018 $12.75M
2019 UFA

Jordy Nelson (Age 31)
2016 $8.3M
2017 $11.55M
2018 $12.55M
2019 UFA

Interesting to look at the salaries versus growth/potential. I definitely think we need to look for some new blood in the draft.

Since it takes around 3 years to develop a WR, we need to take one in the 2nd or 3rd round. They would be ready when Cobb or Nelson's contract is done.

[woodbuck27]

That's the thing I chuckle about reading this site. We don't get to spend more than 3 hours a week with the players. Maybe a couple more surfing the net and coming here.

TT, MM and the crew spend approximately 100 hours a week during the season invested in the Green Bay Packers. They know tons more than us because they have access to everything.

Fans know a lot more that your ... White Collared Pro Management style ... will ever allow credit for.

Try expressing that view of fans too say...... the fans that support the Montreal Canadians. Fans are dedicated to their teams every move and can see and make evaluations.

[ThunderDan]

Fans know a lot more that your ... White Collared Pro Management style ... will ever allow credit for.

Try expressing that view of fans too say...... the fans that support the Montreal Canadians. Fans are dedicated to their teams every move and can see and make evaluations.

And how many games are played during a hockey season compared to the NFL? There just isn't a large sample size with the NFL. I know a heck of a lot more about the Cubs and NY Rangers than the Packers and the Packers are my favorite team.

[pbmax]

And now everyone is worried about spending too much money on FA players. This is rich.


Adams will always have a soft spot in my heart for burying Sherman in the turf on his block in the second half and no I don't care if Sherman fell down on his own.

That was fun to see. I like and respect Sherman and wish he had played in GB. But he's demonstrable enough to take much pleasure out of seeing him get buried in the green paint.

Probably same feeling other NFC team fans felt when Matthews got trucked by Barbre. :lol:

[gbgary]

Since it takes around 3 years to develop a WR, we need to take one in the 2nd or 3rd round. They would be ready when Cobb or Nelson's contract is done.

it only takes 3yrs to develop someone drafted in the later rounds. a 1st rounder better be ready to hit the ground running. this team doesn't need any more projects. Jordy and Cobb may not last to 2019. adams will require an extension before they're done. cap going up 8-10m next year i read. money shouldn't be an issue. this team needs a talent infusion.

[run pMc]

Maybe Trevor Davis figures it out and gets some playing time? Anyone else notice Geronimo Allison is playing at #4 WR over Davis and Janis?
I wonder if Cobb is wearing down? His 2015 and 2016 numbers are a considerable drop off from his 2012-2014 seasons.

I think they will need some fresh talent -- they need to find their next Greg Jennings type player. Jordy will move to slot for mismatches there, and Davante seems more like a solid #2WR.

[beveaux1]

it only takes 3yrs to develop someone drafted in the later rounds. a 1st rounder better be ready to hit the ground running. this team doesn't need any more projects. Jordy and Cobb may not last to 2019. adams will require an extension before they're done. cap going up 8-10m next year i read. money shouldn't be an issue. this team needs a talent infusion.

I think it takes around 3 years to develop an early round WR. They can contribute earlier, but only slot receivers are fully developed in less than 3 years.

[gbgary]

won't practice until sat...ankle.

http://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/1211601-packers-davante-adams-not-expected-to-practice-until-saturday

[red]

didn't last year prove he isn't a #1

but he is damn good this year at whatever # wr he's at

[Bretsky]

Bretsky, you ready for some mea culpa after lambasting the "Fresno Fraud" for so long?

I am waiting til after the season to give my Dear Mad thread; I will then rename him.....lol

[KYPack]

Way to take it like a man, B.

I felt the kid needed another season to get his shit together.

Didn't really think he make this big a jump, but man, I'll take it.

[gbgary]

he's been better than good this year. hope he keeps it going.

[Maxie the Taxi]

I thought we already renamed this guy the "Fresno Freak" or the "Fresno Flash."

[red]

if adams plays next season like he has this season, then we are looking at another 10 million plus WR. that means we'll have 2 guys counting over 12.5 million each to the cap in 2018 plus whatever adams cap number is in 2018

that might not be doable

[Bossman641]

How long is Nelson's deal? Is 2018 the last year of his? We could maybe handle 3 guys at 10M for a year.

[gbgary]

if adams plays next season like he has this season, then we are looking at another 10 million plus WR. that means we'll have 2 guys counting over 12.5 million each to the cap in 2018 plus whatever adams cap number is in 2018

that might not be doable

don't see why not if the they're worth it. cap keeps going up every year. seems easy enough to me.

[Cheesehead Craig]

How long is Nelson's deal? Is 2018 the last year of his? We could maybe handle 3 guys at 10M for a year.

Jordy and Cobb have 2 more years, Jordy at 11.55M and 12.55M. Cobb is at 12.75M each year.

Davante has one more year, and I think they may wait on him to make sure other guys get paid first.

[George Cumby]

if adams plays next season like he has this season, then we are looking at another 10 million plus WR. that means we'll have 2 guys counting over 12.5 million each to the cap in 2018 plus whatever adams cap number is in 2018

that might not be doable

Christ. Now you're bitching because there may be too much talent? Ferfuxsake.

[gbgary]

Christ. Now you're bitching because there may be too much talent? Ferfuxsake.

that's the furthest thing from the truth. without Rodgers we ALL know where this team would sit.

[Pugger]

But AR needs talent around him. As good as he is he can't do it alone.

[run pMc]

Adams is a solid #2 WR. When it's time they'll pay him like one. Cobb was hurt this year and until recently not playing up to his contract. I wouldn't be surprised if they renegotiated his contract.
Allison and Davis intrigue me. Davis for his speed, and Allison for being a taller receiver that can present mismatches outside or even in the slot.

[run pMc]

that's the furthest thing from the truth. without Rodgers we ALL know where this team would sit.

With Hundley at QB and Montgomery at RB? Somewhere between 3 and 6 wins.

[Smidgeon]

Adams is a solid #2 WR. When it's time they'll pay him like one. Cobb was hurt this year and until recently not playing up to his contract. I wouldn't be surprised if they renegotiated his contract.
Allison and Davis intrigue me. Davis for his speed, and Allison for being a taller receiver that can present mismatches outside or even in the slot.

I would. That's not how GB rolls (lately). With inflated contracts, they usually cut the player outright or let them play the contract out. Who was the last one they renegotiated? AJ Hawk (who was technically a cut)?

[red]

heres the problem with paying everyone

in 2018 jordy and cobb will both count 12-12.5 each, davonte might/will be in the 10 range

bahk will be counting 11.2 bulaga will be counting over 8

and PFT just had a story up a couple hours ago how the team needs to make a-rod the highest paid player again by giving him 25+ a year, as it stands in 2018 he will count 20.9 million aganst the cap

so between just those guys on offense, they will be taking up around 75-80 million in cap space in 2018. not to mention cook will probably get around 7 million a year if he stays

so about half of the cap number in just those 6 to 7 guys

thats a lot

[Bossman641]

I wonder if rodgers is one of those guys who would take less if it means he can go after more titles. Maybe im wrong but I don't see him caring whether he is highest paid qb.

[Joemailman]

heres the problem with paying everyone

in 2018 jordy and cobb will both count 12-12.5 each, davonte might/will be in the 10 range

bahk will be counting 11.2 bulaga will be counting over 8

and PFT just had a story up a couple hours ago how the team needs to make a-rod the highest paid player again by giving him 25+ a year, as it stands in 2018 he will count 20.9 million aganst the cap

so between just those guys on offense, they will be taking up around 75-80 million in cap space in 2018. not to mention cook will probably get around 7 million a year if he stays

so about half of the cap number in just those 6 to 7 guys

thats a lot

They can structure Adams' contract so that there's a small cap hit in 2018. They did this with Bulaga. I'm sure they've done it with others. After 2018 season Jordy and Cobb become free agents. One would probably let go or both signed to less money.

[RashanGary]

and PFT just had a story up a couple hours ago how the team needs to make a-rod the highest paid player again by giving him 25+ a year, as it stands in 2018 he will count 20.9 million aganst the cap



His contract runs through 2019. I wouldn't redo him until after the 2018 season.

[KYPack]

heres the problem with paying everyone

in 2018 jordy and cobb will both count 12-12.5 each, davonte might/will be in the 10 range

bahk will be counting 11.2 bulaga will be counting over 8

and PFT just had a story up a couple hours ago how the team needs to make a-rod the highest paid player again by giving him 25+ a year, as it stands in 2018 he will count 20.9 million aganst the cap

so between just those guys on offense, they will be taking up around 75-80 million in cap space in 2018. not to mention cook will probably get around 7 million a year if he stays

so about half of the cap number in just those 6 to 7 guys

thats a lot

I've been worrying about the same thing. Both TJ AND BB the Whale aren't too likely to make it two more seasons. Both of 'em leave all on the field and have a tough time walking to the locker room after ball games. I love those boys, they are both old-school enforcer types and don't allow the opponents to take too many liberties. Great guys to show young boys like Lane Taylor how the Packers do things at Lambeau Field

[Fritz]

As far as allocating so much money to the offensive side of the ball, you'd have to admit that in terms of performance that makes sense - that defense, at times, should be refunding money.

It's ugly, like 2011.

[smuggler]

It was 2011 bad for a stretch. Worse, even, but they've been a little better over the whole year.

[pbmax]

I wonder if rodgers is one of those guys who would take less if it means he can go after more titles. Maybe im wrong but I don't see him caring whether he is highest paid qb.

My bet is he will want one year, probably the first or second, to be the highest number, then it comes down (or stays mostly level) for the balance.

He already got a couple years as the highest paid player in his last deal. I don't think the score will need to be huge this time.