Gopher Gang Bang Thread

[Harlan Huckleby]

Sorry Tex, but your Holiday Bowl thread just doesn't cut it for this colossal story. The FYI or Badger forums don't fit this topic. Either does the Packer forum, OK.

Both sides of this tragedy are considerably wrong. The players got screwed - they deserve more due process. But the school has a right to severely punish players who are taking advantage of a drunk woman, even tho they legally skated.

This is not a repeat of the Duke Lacrosse Team fiasco. There's some there there.

[Cheesehead Craig]

My buddy works at the Univ of MN, and when I asked him what the hell was going on there he simply replied "This is simply a Thursday for us."

The athletic dept there is just a shit show.

[Harlan Huckleby]

My buddy works at the Univ of MN

I'll bet he's a fucking rapist, and by association you too. Just my gut feeling.


This story has blown my mind.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I'm still making up my mind, but the more I think about it, the players have the weaker case.

http://www.twincities.com/2016/12/16/john-shipley-gophers-football-boycott-brings-athletics-department-to-crossroad/

[Teamcheez1]

Players are planning to boycott the bowl game. I'm glad they are telling U of M and the NCAA to f*** off.

[RashanGary]

i have a hunch this is a bunch of whiny overblown bullshit. Women and homosexuals often times have some weird fucking axe to grind with straight men. Men need to stick together and combat this ridiculous bullshit.

The people with common sense in our country need to organize so we can stage strong, crushing boycotts. The people who are in charge are insane and are destroying our once great nation.

[call_me_ishmael]

^ Da fuq is wrong with you? Hanging out on the red pill too long? Delete your account. Whether what they did was illegal or not... that doesn't make it right, for one. And this isn't some money grab... these are poor college kids.

Given how prevalent rape is.. I think the odds are overwhelming in favor of something nefarious having gone down.

[Harlan Huckleby]

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18294618/minnesota-eric-kaler-says-player-suspensions-alleged-gang-rape-based-university-values

There is more information dribbling out. The university commission that suspended the players had more evidence (electronic of some sort - texts?) that caused them to conclude that the men knew the woman was out of it. There were lots of inconsistencies and apparent collusion in answers the guys gave.

I have a question: Is there anybody here who is willing to say they would have gotten in line to have sex with the woman? It happened at 4 AM. You've seen several guys have at her. You have to suspect the woman is not all there. If you think the guys did nothing wrong, would you do the same as they did?

[call_me_ishmael]

RS became increasingly confused and repeatedly asked where all of the people were coming from. She repeatedly yelled at the crowd to stop sending people in the bedroom. She repeatedly yelled, "I can't handle this many people" and "1 don' t want this to happen." She yelled several times that she hated the onlookers, to which they laughed and someone responded, "ha ha, why?" At one point, RS asked the onlookers to "get A2 ., because she thought that he would help her. In response, someone said that "he has had his turn and you have a lot more to go."

Yikes

http://kstp.com/kstpImages/repository/cs/files/U%20of%20M%20EOAA%20redacted4.pdf

Lock 'em up and throw away the key.

[RashanGary]

News outlets just salivate over trauma and potential wrong doings. I don't doubt that she was very out of it. This is why women getting drunk and agreeing to bang a couple guys can get out of hand. Which ones did she want to bang? Which were too many? How many drinks is drunk?

The whole thing is a cluster fuck. I'd lean on the side of the guys. A girl who starts a gang bang, for a 20 year old in this drunken sex amped culture, its tempting. She should probably stop drinking and stop agreeing to bang a bunch of guys and she can never have to worry about this again.

[RashanGary]

I know for me, I don't have a vagina to be sought after, but I've gotten drunk and bought too many people drinks. I'm sure at points i said, "hey, I don't want to keep buying all these drinks" and they were probably like, "it's ok, we want drinks" and I did it anyway. Moral of the story is to stay sober and surround myself with good people who I trust. Then nothing like that happens. I guess it's just an attitude of personal responsibility that I use to help keep me safe now that I've lived a little life and know the risks.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I'd lean on the side of the guys. A girl who starts a gang bang, for a 20 year old in this drunken sex amped culture, its tempting. She should probably stop drinking and stop agreeing to bang a bunch of guys and she can never have to worry about this again.

Just a clarification. It isn't the guys versus the girl. The girl was done with it a month ago. She just wanted it all dropped. Nobody is suggesting that the girl doesn't share in some of the blame. I doubt she is proud of what happened.

It's the university vrs. the football players. The U says the boys violated their code of conduct for students. The team cries foul.

[texaspackerbacker]

The reason I didn't say much about this crap in the other thread is that it's plain boring to me.

[run pMc]

Disgusting.

[RashanGary]

She should be expelled for starting the gang bang too. If it's wrong for some, it's wrong for all.

[pbmax]

^ Justin, you might want to re-read some of the coverage. No one was disciplined or threatened with arrest because of a specific sex act.

And in further news, everyone stand down, players give up protest:

JoeChristensen @JoeCStrib
#Gophers players announce that they are ending their boycott of football activities and will resume preparing for Holiday Bowl

[Harlan Huckleby]

The fuller details of what happened were published late yesterday. It's probable that many of the players had a skewed view of what happened that night. Maybe many players were shocked by the report.

For sure the release of those details made it a nickle-plated certainty that the public would turn against the team in a big way. If they persisted with a boycott, their coach would be fired and have trouble getting hired anywhere else. The football program was headed for a shutdown.

I suspect there are more than 10 players who knew what was happening and did nothing. They should be suspended too, IMO. But it looks like the whole situation is moving to a better place, lessons are being learned.

I am bothered that players got suspended and publicly identified before a full appeals process took place.

[Harlan Huckleby]

She should be expelled for starting the gang bang too. If it's wrong for some, it's wrong for all.

I don't agree because her culpability is far less. She was extremely foolish, not predatory. She has suffered terribly without being expelled.

[bobblehead]

Many points here. Was she raped. Probably. Can you get a jury to say so beyond doubt when she admits she banged the first 3? consensual...unlikely. I have read somewhere that the incident was recorded. If that recording has any evidence she voiced a "stop" or was unconscious then file the charges.

Disgusting behavior, yes. Criminal, probably. Convict-able, doubtful. The team handled it well. Basically said, criminal or not, you were all animals and we are suspending you. The young lady in question hopefully will never allow herself in that position again.

It would also be nice if we lived in a society where someone had stepped up and said this needs to stop.

[RashanGary]

the drinking and loose sex is ridiculous in this country. Of course people regret it. The music and the way people dress and the movies..... No wonder people are waking up feeling wrong. It's all sick and goes against human nature. But the rape and man hate is ridiculous. Punish her as hard as you punish them if gang bangs are so wrong. And if you're getting hammered by a dick and mutter something at some point that you might not want to...... that's not rape. That's very unclear and you need to make better adult decisions.

Wake he fuck up, sick America. This is what happened in a society without morals.

[pbmax]

the drinking and loose sex is ridiculous in this country. Of course people regret it. The music and the way people dress and the movies..... No wonder people are waking up feeling wrong. It's all sick and goes against human nature. But the rape and man hate is ridiculous. Punish her as hard as you punish them if gang bangs are so wrong. And if you're getting hammered by a dick and mutter something at some point that you might not want to...... that's not rape. That's very unclear and you need to make better adult decisions.

Wake he fuck up, sick America. This is what happened in a society without morals.

You just skipped middle age, didn't you?

[George Cumby]

Many points here. Was she raped. Probably. Can you get a jury to say so beyond doubt when she admits she banged the first 3? consensual...unlikely. I have read somewhere that the incident was recorded. If that recording has any evidence she voiced a "stop" or was unconscious then file the charges.

Disgusting behavior, yes. Criminal, probably. Convict-able, doubtful. The team handled it well. Basically said, criminal or not, you were all animals and we are suspending you. The young lady in question hopefully will never allow herself in that position again.

It would also be nice if we lived in a society where someone had stepped up and said this needs to stop.

Great post.

X1000

[Teamcheez1]

Players called off the boycott. Rumor is that the coaching staff promised the team the Vikings hookers after the bowl game.

[RashanGary]

You just skipped middle age, didn't you?

I did, lol. I've done all the sleezy shit you see on TV. I've gotten drunk, did cocaine, acid, pills and weed. I've had one night stands, fucked a couple prostitutes, and gotten a handy at an Asian massage parlor. I've also been married, divorced and am now with a woman I love and will probably marry.

I guess you could say I've learned lot of lessons the hard way. I went out and lived the trashy, dirt bag liberal Hollywood lifestyle and I can say for this person, it's a total pile of shit, scum bag lifestyle with results that match.

If that makes me a crotchety 35 year old, whatever, but I think the liberal rationalization and promotion of disgusting lifestyles and immorality is a real drain on society. I reject that filthy ideology in every way.

I feel sad for women, homosexuals and all minorities who have had their pain politicized and used against them and the rest of humanity.

[pbmax]

I did, lol. I've done all the sleezy shit you see on TV. I've gotten drunk, did cocaine, acid, pills and weed. I've had one night stands, fucked a couple prostitutes, and gotten a handy at an Asian massage parlor. I've also been married, divorced and am now with a woman I love and will probably marry.

I guess you could say I've learned lot of lessons the hard way. I went out and lived the trashy, dirt bag liberal Hollywood lifestyle and I can say for this person, it's a total pile of shit, scum bag lifestyle with results that match.

If that makes me a crotchety 35 year old, whatever, but I think the liberal rationalization and promotion of disgusting lifestyles and immorality is a real drain on society. I reject that filthy ideology in every way.

I feel sad for women, homosexuals and all minorities who have had their pain politicized and used against them and the rest of humanity.

Well I am glad you are in a better place. Good for you.

But I don't know many people (liberals or otherwise) who promote prostitution, cocaine, acid and pills. That's not to say they don't have advocates, but they are pretty widely spaced and don't see much time on TV. Weed and alcohol are different of course, long the choice of American vice enthusiasts if we look past tobacco for the moment. You could always go back to read Hunter S Thompson, Leary or Burroughs I suppose.

And I also doubt that many would enthusiastically support the lifestyle you previously lived. Most would probably applaud your healthier choices much more.

But you are probably right that many liberals would find your summary judgement against the woman for agreeing to a gang bang to be troubling. The crime was assault related, not moral turpitude. I am of the opinion that people actually change very little. Mankind's vices weren't invented in 1962. Modern communication technology, however, makes it possible to be aware at all times and from all corners of the globe, every failing that mankind is capable of. I don't think people have quite come to terms with what that means to their perception.

The woman's judgement about whom to trust was poor, dangerously so. But poor judgement doesn't absolve others of their crimes.

[RashanGary]

Good post, PB. I get pretty worked up about this modern culture.

I don't know all of the details, but it pisses me off how freely people throw the word rape around and how little attention is paid to the ridiculous, reckless lifestyles that this stuff happens in.

Like yeah, running around acting all reckless and stupid doesn't mean the victim deserved their ass kickibg and shouldn't be protected by the law if a physical assault happens. But it's still wise to be safe and not act like a person who's likely to get punched. But they call it victim blaming. It's common sense.

This is a culture of stupidity. Frustrates me.

I hope she didn't get assaulted once that thing was going and never experiences that ever, but I also hope she knows not to fire up a gang bang at her next college party. Its so infuriating to see this stuff happen.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Your posts are so uninformed that I can't leave them unanswered.


I don't know all of the details, but it pisses me off how freely people throw the word rape around and how little attention is paid to the ridiculous, reckless lifestyles that this stuff happens in.

Rape is not the product of reckless lifestyles. College students have been drinking into the wee hours and pawing each other since, well, everyone's memory. Rape is caused by an idiot mindset in some men.

You've been blaming the culture you abhor on liberals. There is nothing liberal about rape. In fact it is young liberals that are trying to do something about the problem. Conservatives are just as twisted as liberals. Some have even been known to grab um by the pussy when the opportunity presents itself.

College students are far more liberal than anything I ever embraced. They also have sex a lot less than any generation in memory. And they are the first generation to focus on preventing date rape, long overdue.

I agree that porn is subversive. Do you watch porn? I suspect all the portrayal of "running a train" makes a gang bang possibility look acceptable. I imagine porn had something to do with why those boys (and they are boys) thought a gang bang was doable. The demographic that watches the most porn are evangelical conservatives. (I'm pulling that fact out of internet reading memory, but it rings true to me.)


I hope she didn't get assaulted once that thing was going and never experiences that ever, but I also hope she knows not to fire up a gang bang at her next college party. Its so infuriating to see this stuff happen.

But you also hope she gets punished, kicked out of school like the assaulting boys. You got issues with women, sex, "kids today" and liberals that are leading you to odd judgments.

[RashanGary]

It's reckless to get drunk and start a gang bang. Idiot liberal college mindset calls someone observing the stupidity a "victim blamer." They're idiots. Cling to that stupidity all you want, but don't act suprised when that extra dick shows up to the gang bang. Idiots.

Religion used to be the method of brainwashing and controlling the masses. Now it's the ever corrupted education system. A bunch of brainwashed idiots. You know they laugh at how stupid these people are for buying this self destructive bullshit. I listen to these idiots regurgitate the stinky pile of shit brainwashing, and laugh how people actually believe that shit.

[RashanGary]

Take care of your body. Sex is sacred. A society with a strong moral fabric with family values saves a lot of money by raising secure generations. This crap is ridiculous. Stop flaunting your privates and starting gang bangs. It's common fucking sense.

[Zool]

Almost like kids have been doing stupid shit for the last....well forever? You admitted as much yourself. But this....this generation. They are the bad one. Right?

[Freak Out]

Wow. What ever happened to Minnesota nice?

[Cheesehead Craig]

Wow. What ever happened to Minnesota nice?

Never existed. Just a marketing ploy to get people to come to this God-forsaken state.

[Fritz]

Well I am glad you are in a better place. Good for you.

But I don't know many people (liberals or otherwise) who promote prostitution, cocaine, acid and pills. That's not to say they don't have advocates, but they are pretty widely spaced and don't see much time on TV. Weed and alcohol are different of course, long the choice of American vice enthusiasts if we look past tobacco for the moment. You could always go back to read Hunter S Thompson, Leary or Burroughs I suppose.

And I also doubt that many would enthusiastically support the lifestyle you previously lived. Most would probably applaud your healthier choices much more.

But you are probably right that many liberals would find your summary judgement against the woman for agreeing to a gang bang to be troubling. The crime was assault related, not moral turpitude. I am of the opinion that people actually change very little. Mankind's vices weren't invented in 1962. Modern communication technology, however, makes it possible to be aware at all times and from all corners of the globe, every failing that mankind is capable of. I don't think people have quite come to terms with what that means to their perception.

The woman's judgement about whom to trust was poor, dangerously so. But poor judgement doesn't absolve others of their crimes.

Except, perhaps, for the "gerbil-up-the-sphincter" move, which I believe came about in the 1980's, thanks to Richard Gere.

As for JH, I was surprised by his comments. Of course it's not "wise," but being unwise should not result in being raped. If it did everybody on the planet would be walking around bandy-legged.

And that "lifestyle" may have been made possible by the liberals of the 60's, that's true. I sometimes think that Trump is a result, in part, of the liberal relativism of that era. However, conservatives didn't mind that lifestyle at all, either - they just wanted it kept underground, so their names wouldn't show up in the papers.

The group that actually is vocal about letting people do what they please, socially, is the libertarian group. They don't think government should be in the business of minding people's private business.

[Harlan Huckleby]

The group that actually is vocal about letting people do what they please, socially, is the libertarian group.

Libertarians are indeed bad people, but I focus more blame on the librarians. All that smut on the shelves - chickens coming home to roost.

[Fritz]

Oh, come on, Harlan, every heterosexual male has that prim-but-slutty-underneath librarian fantasy. You say "all that smut on the shelves" like it's a bad thing.

[wootah]

I've gotten drunk, did cocaine, acid, pills and weed. I've had one night stands, fucked a couple prostitutes, and gotten a handy at an Asian massage parlor. I've also been married, divorced and am now with a woman I love and will probably marry.

That's a five clap paragraph right there.

[Fritz]

After the "fucked a couple prostitutes" part, he may have the clap, five times over.