NFL Offseason News 2017

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Not a story about an opening, but a story about another ex-Packer front office type refusing to do what fans are screaming for. Spend money on FA for Seattle's O line. Pete is speaking here:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/01/17/seahawks-dont-plan-to-spend-big-on-offensive-line-help/


“That’s not how we — ‘OK, let’s take money and put it here and all of a sudden you’re going to get better,'” Carroll said, via the Seattle Times. “You’ve got to get guys that can play worthy of it, and when they demonstrate that then they get paid. We’ve shown that we understand that and are committed to that mentality. I don’t think you can just buy your way to it. We’re not going to do that. We’re not going to go out and spend a ton of money in free agency on one guy to try to save the day. That’s now how we function at all.”

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I completely fell for a promoted Tweet. Took me to this site, where it took me WAY too long to realize I'd been had.

http://espnspecialreports.com/trending/cowboys27691.html

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Offseason news from 1973:


https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--oDROhIdo--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/gkzktjmwa9bgatun7w6z.png

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This seems like the subject of a lawsuit, not a measure of success:

Brad Biggs ‏@BradBiggs 12m12 minutes ago
Howie Long says #Bears RG Kyle Long vomited 30 times the night of his ankle surgery but son doing "really good" now. (after shoulder surgery)


https://t.co/9ndOocWbkh

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Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 31s31 seconds ago
The #Steelers have released former 1st round CB Justin Gilbert, who they traded for last year from the #Browns.

You know what? Its almost as if "all available avenues" for talent acquisition are not equal.

They each represent roughly a 50% failure rate. But one costs you a draft pick and a rookie contract, the second costs you future draft picks and/or players and the third costs you future draft picks and some significant cash.

[Rutnstrut]

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 31s31 seconds ago
The #Steelers have released former 1st round CB Justin Gilbert, who they traded for last year from the #Browns.

You know what? Its almost as if "all available avenues" for talent acquisition are not equal.

They each represent roughly a 50% failure rate. But one costs you a draft pick and a rookie contract, the second costs you future draft picks and/or players and the third costs you future draft picks and some significant cash.

Yup, much better to play it safe and fail as well.

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Yup, much better to play it safe and fail as well.

Nope. You use them when your leverage is good. Guion, Peppers, Cook.

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Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 31s31 seconds ago
The #Steelers have released former 1st round CB Justin Gilbert, who they traded for last year from the #Browns.

You know what? Its almost as if "all available avenues" for talent acquisition are not equal.

They each represent roughly a 50% failure rate. But one costs you a draft pick and a rookie contract, the second costs you future draft picks and/or players and the third costs you future draft picks and some significant cash.

Joe Thomas @joethomas73
If you don't like football, it doesn't matter how talented you are, your star will burn out quick.

[Carolina_Packer]

Joe Thomas @joethomas73
If you don't like football, it doesn't matter how talented you are, your star will burn out quick.

Playing for the Browns likely has that affect on some players, save for Joe.

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yeah, unless you're just playing the game for the money, i don't know how anyone could put up with playing for the browns

[Joemailman]

Giants have released Victor Cruz and Rashad Jennings. Gives them about 12 million in salary cap space. Cruz just hasn't been the same since that terrible knee injury.

[Joemailman]

Dolphins sign Cameron Wake to 2 year extension. 18 million, 11 million guaranteed.

Edit: His contract was due to expire after 2017 season. This contract will cover 2017-2018.

[Joemailman]

The Miami Dolphins and Jacksonville Jaguars are working on a trade involving offensive tackle Branden Albert and tight end Julius Thomas, but hurdles remain.

NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported that Albert is visiting the Jaguars on Monday to help facilitate a swap. An Albert-Thomas trade would likely happen if both players agreed to new deals, Rapoport reported.

A trade cannot be officially finalized until the new league year opens on March 9..

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Its happening, but its Albert for picks now to Jags.

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Its happening, but its Albert for picks now to Jags.

Or maybe still with Thomas?

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 46m46 minutes ago
My understanding is the Julius Thomas part of #Dolphins-#Jags deal broke down (for now) over what his new MIA contract would be. Lot of time

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Armando Salguero @ArmandoSalguero
Branden Albert to Jacksonville in the works -- but not for Julius Thomas http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article133827814.html

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 1h1 hour ago
My understanding is the Julius Thomas part of #Dolphins-#Jags deal broke down (for now) over what his new MIA contract would be. Lot of time



Also, Jaguars cutting defensive lineman Jared Odrick (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/02/20/jaguars-cutting-defensive-lineman-jared-odrick/)

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Remaking the rosters in 2017, possibly including Davon House, who apparently was the #5 CB by the end of the season.

Ryan O'Halloran ‏@ryanohalloran 7m7 minutes ago
'15 FA frenzy
Thomas: Trying to give away
Odrick: Cut today
House: No. 5 CB late in year
Skuta: two-down LB
Parnell: Still the RT
Sergio: HA

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Stanley Wilson might be available at CB after he clears up a small detail.


Detroit Lions Cornerback Stanley Wilson Arrested Naked For The Third Time In A Year (http://deadspin.com/former-detroit-lions-cornerback-stanley-wilson-arrested-1792535704)

[Joemailman]

Stanley Wilson might be available at CB after he clears up a small detail.


Detroit Lions Cornerback Stanley Wilson Arrested Naked For The Third Time In A Year (http://deadspin.com/former-detroit-lions-cornerback-stanley-wilson-arrested-1792535704)

He might be a little rusty since he hasn't played since 2007.

[Joemailman]

Armando Salguero @ArmandoSalguero
Branden Albert to Jacksonville in the works -- but not for Julius Thomas http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article133827814.html

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 1h1 hour ago
My understanding is the Julius Thomas part of #Dolphins-#Jags deal broke down (for now) over what his new MIA contract would be. Lot of time



Also, Jaguars cutting defensive lineman Jared Odrick (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/02/20/jaguars-cutting-defensive-lineman-jared-odrick/)

Looks like Thomas going to Miami after all. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000786846/article/jaguars-to-trade-julius-thomas-to-dolphins

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He might be a little rusty since he hasn't played since 2007.

What don't you understand about how bad Ted screwed the pooch with Randall and Rollins?

:smack:

[red]

Bears are trying to trade cutler

Is anyone that stupid or desperate?

[Joemailman]

Bears are trying to trade cutler

Is anyone that stupid or desperate?

Probably not. His base salary in 2017 is 12.5 million, and goes up from that.

[Smidgeon]

Probably not. His base salary in 2017 is 12.5 million, and goes up from that.

I'm not as bearish on Cutler as a lot of NFL people are. Don't know why, can't put a finger on it. But 12.5 is cheap for an NFL QB.

[Cheesehead Craig]

What exactly are teams going to give up for him that the Bears would want? Given his past performance, not much. Here's a take I found that's fantastic:

"Everything you need to know about trades you learned at the lunch tables in elementary school.

When you were slanging your juice box in attempts to upgrade at dessert, you had a bargaining chip. The juice quenched thirst way better than the skim milk the school was peddling, so you could justifiably demand a Nutter Butter in return.

Did your parents pack a Fruit Roll-Up? Congratulations on that bag of chips you're about to land.

But if you've got yourself a half-eaten banana, your behind ain't getting nothing.

Jay Cutler is that half-eaten banana. And the Chicago Bears are looking to make a deal."

[gbgary]

What exactly are teams going to give up for him that the Bears would want?

water, blankets, sod, etc.

[QBME]

As stated in December:

Romo to Denver.
Garrapolo to Chicago.
Cutler to Cleveland (only team dumb enough to make the move).

[Zool]

I think they ar fishing for anything they can get. They are pretty much forced to cut him at this point so why not throw out a couple lines and see if someone bites with a 7th rounder? Something is better than nothing.

[Pugger]

As stated in December:

Romo to Denver.
Garrapolo to Chicago.
Cutler to Cleveland (only team dumb enough to make the move).

What do you fellas think about Garrapolo? Will he be a good starter or will he end up as yet another backup who flamed out ala Matt Flynn and Brock Osweiler?

[Zool]

I have a feeling he'll be more Matt Cassell. Decent but not as good as he looked in NE.

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I have a feeling he'll be more Matt Cassell. Decent but not as good as he looked in NE.

That's fair. Some writers who I trust think JG will be the one to actually succeed post NE. It won't be as easy as it was in NE though.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2692738-the-hype-is-real-jimmy-garoppolo-worth-the-price-of-a-1st-round-draft-pick

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http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18741560/jimmy-garoppolo-edge-rookie-qbs

More Jimmy Garoppolo, this time what a Bayesian approach to his 63 passes in 2016 tells you about him :)

Don't want to spend the day learning about Bayes' Theorem?


As little as we know about how good Garoppolo really is, we know even less about a generic first-rounder, plus our best guess at Garoppolo's underlying talent is slightly higher. With this method, we can even estimate the probability that Garoppolo would be better than the generic first-round QB, given certain assumptions. With what we've seen so far, there's a 59 percent chance Garoppolo would turn out better. If we repeat the same analysis but instead use a more advanced metric of performance -- expected points added -- we get very similar results: a 64 percent chance that Garoppolo is better than a generic-first rounder.

[hoosier]

What exactly are teams going to give up for him that the Bears would want? Given his past performance, not much. Here's a take I found that's fantastic:

"Everything you need to know about trades you learned at the lunch tables in elementary school.

When you were slanging your juice box in attempts to upgrade at dessert, you had a bargaining chip. The juice quenched thirst way better than the skim milk the school was peddling, so you could justifiably demand a Nutter Butter in return.

Did your parents pack a Fruit Roll-Up? Congratulations on that bag of chips you're about to land.

But if you've got yourself a half-eaten banana, your behind ain't getting nothing.

Jay Cutler is that half-eaten banana. And the Chicago Bears are looking to make a deal."

More like a soggy bag of pretzels.

[Bretsky]

What do you fellas think about Garrapolo? Will he be a good starter or will he end up as yet another backup who flamed out ala Matt Flynn and Brock Osweiler?

He'll be better if he stays with Hoody Genius.

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Adam Schefter‏Verified account @AdamSchefter 2m2 minutes ago

Antonio Brown deal: 4-year extension worth $68 million - 17M per year over 4 years, and $18.5M over 3 years. Tied to Steelers through 2021.

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makes jordy look like more of a bargain

although brown is awesome

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steelers also slapped the tag on bell today

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Jason La Canfora‏Verified account @JasonLaCanfora 27s27 seconds ago

Would be stunned if Chiefs don't have Eric Berry locked up by franchise deadline. Sides very close on a 6yr deal worth massive $13M/year

[Rutnstrut]

Vikings are NOT picking up AP's 2017 contract option.

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Jamaal Charles is also now available. Chiefs will release him.

Interesting. Start of League Year in March has sort of turned into a new June 1st date for vets to come available. Lotta agents load bonuses up for these dates to force a decision before FA.


ProFootballTalk‏Verified account @ProFootballTalk 21m21 minutes ago
Chiefs to cut Jamaal Charles

https://t.co/3SdoYFBnUS

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Vikings are NOT picking up AP's 2017 contract option.


Robert Klemko‏ @RobertKlemko 57m57 minutes ago

Bovada set odds on AP's destination. Still giving Minny a good shot.

Bucs 3/1
MN 5/1
NYG 5/1
KC 5/1
CAR 7/1
Pats 8/1
GB 10/1
Was 10/1

[Rutnstrut]

Robert Klemko‏ @RobertKlemko 57m57 minutes ago

Bovada set odds on AP's destination. Still giving Minny a good shot.

Bucs 3/1
MN 5/1
NYG 5/1
KC 5/1
CAR 7/1
Pats 8/1
GB 10/1
Was 10/1

The Giants with AP would be a tough team. Even if he's only at 80% of what he use to be.

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The Giants with AP would be a tough team. Even if he's only at 80% of what he use to be.

Couple of Giant writers thought Charles fit the system better. Wouldn't be surprised to see one of those guys head there.

[gbgary]

the league is looking at perhaps revising the 'celebration rule' after touchdowns.

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the league is looking at perhaps revising the 'celebration rule' after touchdowns.

Which direction? Less or more fun?

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ProFootballTalk‏ @ProFootballTalk 26m26 minutes ago
Salary cap set at $167 million

https://t.co/Vy92Qxg8RG

[gbgary]

Which direction? Less or more fun?

more lax.

they're also looking at centralization of replay. no more head ref going under the hood.

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Sebastian Vollmer released by the Patriots. He is coming off injuries.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/03/02/report-patriots-will-release-sebastian-vollmer/

[gbgary]

Brandon Marshall being released by nyj.

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It IS like June 1st of old.

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Two for your consideration:

Seahawks don’t tender contracts to restricted free agents DeShawn Shead (CB), Brock Coyle (LB) (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/03/07/seahawks-dont-tender-contracts-to-restricted-free-agents-deshawn-shead-brock-coyle/)

Shead was starting but torn his knee up in the playoffs. Seems like a long shot there. But Coyle was good special teamer and backup to Bobby Wagner in the middle.

[smuggler]

Shead is a decent player, but with the knee he's going back to Seattle on the cheap.

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49ers release a Center, Marcus Martin.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/03/08/49ers-waive-marcus-martin/related/

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Jack Doyle contract details (Colts TE)

Total Value: $18,900,000 (avg. $6,300,000/year; $7,500,000 fully guaranteed)
16th highest of 135 TE contracts
3 year deal


Vernon Davis signs with Washington

Vernon Davis signed a three year, $15 million contract with the Redskins on March 7, 2017. Davis received $7.5 million guaranteed including a $4 million signing bonus. There are $250,000 in per game roster bonuses in 2018 and 2019.

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Jason La Canfora‏Verified account @JasonLaCanfora 6m6 minutes ago
Can confirm reports Kenny Stills staying w/Miami as expected. Reported this afternoon Fins put $8M-plus/yr on the table, made him priority

Garson getting $16 mil in first year, said to Doug Baldwin type contract overall.

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Jason La Canfora‏Verified account @JasonLaCanfora 6m6 minutes ago
Can confirm reports Kenny Stills staying w/Miami as expected. Reported this afternoon Fins put $8M-plus/yr on the table, made him priority

Garson getting $16 mil in first year, said to Doug Baldwin type contract overall.

Adam Schefter‏Verified account @AdamSchefter 1m1 minute ago
Correction: Dolphins gave WR Kenny Stills a four-year, $32 million deal that includes $20 million guaranteed.

WEIRD, BECAUSE MINUTES BEFORE SCHEFTER TWEETED THIS:

Adam Schefter‏ @AdamSchefter
Dolphins gave WR Kenny Stills a 4-year, $32 million deal that includes $8 million guaranteed, per source.

SO RED, WATCH THIS ONE FOR A FUNNY MONEY REPORT

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Some more details on how Scot McCloughan is losing the power struggle to Bruce Allen in Washington. SM and Danny are negotiating an end to his tenure.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2017/03/08/redskins-gm-scot-mccloughan-has-no-role-in-current-free-agency-decision-making/?utm_term=.3d96983accbb

EVEN DALE JR. THINKS THIS IS DUMB

Dale Earnhardt Jr.‏ @DaleJr
For my fellow @Redskins fans: Im frustrated with the rumored possibility of losing GM McCloughan. What's your take?

Mike‏ @JerzeyHitman26 Mar 7
@DaleJr @Redskins Bruce Allen Record as GM wit Team 28-52 / Scot McCloughan 17-14-1 progress under Scot and they want him gone.

[Joemailman]

Jags expected to sign Calais Campbell. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000791681/article/jaguars-expected-to-sign-de-calais-campbell

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Jags expected to sign Calais Campbell. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000791681/article/jaguars-expected-to-sign-de-calais-campbell

$14 mil per

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charles mcdonald‏ @FourVerts 18m18 minutes ago
bengals are letting whitworth and zeitler walk.

More O lineman have hit the market in last couple of days, a few on releases, some not re-signing with original team. Wonder if this affects Lang. Zeitler is a guard I believe.

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Ian Rapoport‏ @RapSheet 22m22 minutes ago
The #Browns are signing WR Kenny Britt, source said (as @caplannfl reported). 4 years, $32.5M.

IS THIS WORTH LOSING TERRELL PRYOR OVER?

Ian Rapoport‏ @RapSheet 41m41 minutes ago
#Rams deal for Andrew Whitworth: 3 years, $36M w $15M guar, including $2.5M guar in Year 2. Deal pays more $13M in Year 1 and $24.5M over 2

Ian Rapoport‏Verified account
@RapSheet
The expected price tag for free agent CB Stephon Gilmore for the #Patriots is slated to eclipse $14M per year, I’m told. Hefty but worth it

PATRIOTS SIGNING GILMORE BUT SEEM TO BE READY TO LOSE MALCOLM BUTLER

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FA tracker: http://www.nfl.com/freeagency#tab=rankings

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Dianna Russini‏ @diannaESPN 1m1 minute ago
The New England Patriots are considering trading Malcolm Butler to the New Orleans Saints for Brandin Cooks per sources

SO IF IT ALL HAPPENS, THEY ARE TRADING #1 CB FA FOR COOKS, AND SIGNING GIMORE (#3 CB) TO REPLACE BUTLER

Butler is on last year of rookie deal. Do Saints want this without new contract? Cooks is one year rental right now as well.

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Adam Schefter‏Verified account
@AdamSchefter

Eagles have released DE Connor Barwin.

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Adam Schefter‏Verified account
@AdamSchefter

Browns are signing G Joel Bitonio to a monster extension, per source.

[gbgary]

osweiller is now a brown. lol
clears room for romo.

[gbgary]

browns are already shopping osweiler.

[Rutnstrut]

browns are already shopping osweiler.

But more likely to just cut him.

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@FO_ASchatz 32m32 minutes ago
I realize it's somewhat about scheme but Gilmore's charting coverage stats have never been great. In Belichick we trust, I guess.

@FO_ASchatz 30m30 minutes ago
Gilmore was 77th of 84 CB in yd/target last year by @SportsInfo_SIS charting. Career best 7.2 in 2015 ranked 25th. Avg success rate.


Both FO and PFF are not very high on Gilmore's recent performance. Each has him below median in CB production. Patriots obviously view this differently as they are paying him very well.

[gbgary]

@FO_ASchatz 32m32 minutes ago
I realize it's somewhat about scheme but Gilmore's charting coverage stats have never been great. In Belichick we trust, I guess.

@FO_ASchatz 30m30 minutes ago
Gilmore was 77th of 84 CB in yd/target last year by @SportsInfo_SIS charting. Career best 7.2 in 2015 ranked 25th. Avg success rate.


Both FO and PFF are not very high on Gilmore's recent performance. Each has him below median in CB production. Patriots obviously view this differently as they are paying him very well.

they saw him twice a year so they'd know. i was hoping we'd go him or the other cb who's name i can't think of.

[Joemailman]

Saints trading Brandin Cooks to Patriots in a trade deal that includes Saints getting Patriots 1st round pick. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000792444/article/saints-trading-brandin-cooks-to-patriots-for-no-32-pick

[Fritz]

browns are already shopping osweiler.

"We'll send you Osweiler plus a third round pick for a day-old loaf of bread."

[pbmax]

Packers decline really started when we let just a guy go.

Ian Rapoport‏ @RapSheet 1m1 minute ago
The #Patriots are signing former #Ravens DL Lawrence Guy to a 4-year contract worth up to $20M, source said.

[Bretsky]

Packers decline really started when we let just a guy go.

Ian Rapoport‏ @RapSheet 1m1 minute ago
The #Patriots are signing former #Ravens DL Lawrence Guy to a 4-year contract worth up to $20M, source said.


I thought you finally were ready for your mea culpa here ??????//////

We have not been the same since you would not admit we gravely missed Cullen Jenkins ! lol

Lawrence Guy.....certainly seemed like we f'cked up when we cut him.

I think one in here liked the guy......Fritz ??

[gbgary]

"We'll send you Osweiler plus a third round pick for a day-old loaf of bread."

if no takers they should just keep him since they're already on the hook for his salary. see what happens.

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@AdamSchefter 8m8 minutes ago

Cardinals re-signed RB Andre Ellington.

[Joemailman]

DeMarcus Ware announces retirement.

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I thought you finally were ready for your mea culpa here ??????//////

We have not been the same since you would not admit we gravely missed Cullen Jenkins ! lol


Never! Even if he plays longer than Brady.

[SMBASS]

Vikings signed former Packers DE Datone Jones.
— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) March 14, 2017

Another Packer heads for Green Bay West. I'm fine with letting Jones go...now get Connor Barwin darn it! Lol!

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Darwin visiting Rams who are transitioning to a 3-4 under Wade Phillips.

[Sparkey]

Makes sense, Darwin should help with their evolution to a 3-4 :duel:

[King Friday]

Well, the Vikings signed RB Murray, formerly with Oakland...so Adrian Peterson appears to be rapidly declining in terms of cost to the point where even Ted might consider kicking the tires.

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Poe signs with the Falcons.

[SMBASS]

Poe might have been a nice addition for interior DL rotation purposes. Haven't seen anything regarding the Falcon contract numbers.

[SMBASS]

Okay...now I know why Poe wasn't on TT's radar. Poe is a good player but that seems a little pricy to me.


Adam Schefter
✔ ‎@AdamSchefter

Falcons gave former Chiefs' DT Dontari Poe a one-year, $8 million deal that could increase to $10M with incentives, per source.

11:54 AM - 16 Mar 2017

[woodbuck27]

Is there anyone here that would like to see ILB Zach Brown in a Packer Jersey? We are always saying we need a real player in the middle @ LBer. He may not come in cheap but Zach Brown is a fine player.

Zach Brown might be one of the most underrated players in FA. He brings speed in coverage and toughness against the run to the middle. He had solid performance in his one season with the Buffalo Bills in 2016. 149 combined tackles and four sacks, four PD, a Pick and two FF's.

He is only 27 years old.

Wouldn't Zach Brown be an excellent investment for a team looking to improve in the middle. The question is does TT want to do that?

I just checked and it looks like he is in Oakland looking for a solid deal.

[gbgary]

ravens sign cowboys cb brandon carr. cowboys have very little cap space and can't do much about their situation. we have a lot of space and won't do anything about our situation.

[woodbuck27]

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2017/03/nfl_free_agency_2017_best_players_available_at_eve .html#incart_river_index

NFL free agency 2017: Best players still available at every position

Updated March 16, 2017 .... Posted March 16, 2017

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Jared Cook signs with Raiders.

Ian Rapoport‏Verified account @RapSheet 24m24 minutes ago
The #Raiders and TE Jared Cook agreed to terms on a 2-year deal worth up to $12.2M, source said. The first year is fully guaranteed.

[QBME]

Well, the Vikings signed RB Murray, formerly with Oakland...so Adrian Peterson appears to be rapidly declining in terms of cost to the point where even Ted might consider kicking the tires.

Me thinks AP is done.

[Bretsky]

Jared Cook signs with Raiders.

Ian Rapoport‏Verified account @RapSheet 24m24 minutes ago
The #Raiders and TE Jared Cook agreed to terms on a 2-year deal worth up to $12.2M, source said. The first year is fully guaranteed.


I'd bet GB offered that........

[Bretsky]

Darwin visiting Rams who are transitioning to a 3-4 under Wade Phillips.


Who is Darwin ? Ever heard of the Darwin Awards ? Interesting Stuff

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Jeff Patterson‏ @jeffpatt_KC 10h10 hours ago
"Please ask God to love him."
Chicago #Bears and #KUfball great Gale Sayers is battling dementia. Via @vgregorian:

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/vahe-gregorian/article139455608.html

[smuggler]

That's actually interesting about Sayers. He didn't actually play all that much NFL football due to his catastrophic knee injury.

Fewer than 1000 carries in 5 seasons. Guess that's all it takes to get dementia (or get into the Hall of Fame).

[red]

That's actually interesting about Sayers. He didn't actually play all that much NFL football due to his catastrophic knee injury.

Fewer than 1000 carries in 5 seasons. Guess that's all it takes to get dementia (or get into the Hall of Fame).

or he could have just gotten it

i had two grandmothers that had dementia, i'm pretty sure neither of them ever played football

sometimes getting old just sucks

[Pugger]

or he could have just gotten it

i had two grandmothers that had dementia, i'm pretty sure neither of them ever played football

sometimes getting old just sucks

Yes, my 93 year old father has dementia and he didn't play sports at all. He recognizes everyone and is very social but can't remember what someone said 5 minutes ago. He jokes to us about he being delirious so he's still fun to be around.

[Freak Out]

Is there anyone here that would like to see ILB Zach Brown in a Packer Jersey? We are always saying we need a real player in the middle @ LBer. He may not come in cheap but Zach Brown is a fine player.

Zach Brown might be one of the most underrated players in FA. He brings speed in coverage and toughness against the run to the middle. He had solid performance in his one season with the Buffalo Bills in 2016. 149 combined tackles and four sacks, four PD, a Pick and two FF's.

He is only 27 years old.

Wouldn't Zach Brown be an excellent investment for a team looking to improve in the middle. The question is does TT want to do that?

I just checked and it looks like he is in Oakland looking for a solid deal.

I think the guy is work a look. He did well in the 3-4 the Bills ran....don't see why he couldn't work here. Unless he does not want to play in GB.

[Rutnstrut]

I think the guy is work a look. He did well in the 3-4 the Bills ran....don't see why he couldn't work here. Unless he does not want to play in GB.

Ted's done doing anything until the draft.

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Bleacher Report NFL‏ @BR_NFL 2h2 hours ago
Dwight Clark announces he’s been diagnosed with ALS http://ble.ac/2mGwO0t

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Troy Vincent‏ @TroyVincent23 24h24 hours ago
We're developing an educational training video for players to show clear examples of appropriate and inappropriate celebrations.

Key and Peele are already there Troy.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGJb2iLvOKE

[pbmax]

Nice piece on former Bear Doug Plank: http://deadspin.com/secrets-of-a-hitter-how-doug-plank-inspired-the-nfls-1455135275

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Adam Schefter‏ @AdamSchefter 34m34 minutes ago
Bengals released LB Rey Maualuga, not a big surprise after Cincy signed LB Kevin Minter.

[Zool]

Adam Schefter‏ @AdamSchefter 34m34 minutes ago
Bengals released LB Rey Maualuga, not a big surprise after Cincy signed LB Kevin Minter.

Has he fallen that far that fast, or was it a money thing?

[pbmax]

Has he fallen that far that fast, or was it a money thing?

Money and younger guy signed I think (Minter).

[Brandon494]

Bring him in for the right price, remember he played with a Clay at USC so he might have interest playing here.

[BZnDallas]

Bring him in for the right price, remember he played with a Clay at USC so he might have interest playing here.

This!

Why not for the right price? Allows Clay the opportunity to roam the whole defensive line and come for any direction, or not.

[red]

he's a run stuffer only, can't cover for shit, we already have 2 of those guys at ILB

because of that, he only started a handful of games last year and put up pathetic numbers

he only played 30% of the defensive snaps, despite playing in 14 games

[smuggler]

Mualauga can't run anymore. It happens. Brandon and I are on the wrong side of 30 now, too.

[BZnDallas]

he's a run stuffer only, can't cover for shit, we already have 2 of those guys at ILB

because of that, he only started a handful of games last year and put up pathetic numbers

he only played 30% of the defensive snaps, despite playing in 14 games

Ahh well at least you're giving Ponch and Jon some credit for being run stuffers. :glug:

[Joemailman]

It's official. Will Raider fans show up in Oakland the next 2 years?

http://www.denverpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/las-vegas-raiders.jpg

[Zool]

Worst haircut since the president.

[red]

you never know with oakland, they had very loyal fans

they could show up and boo that throw shit on the field for 2 years

or the team could be playing in from of an empty stadium for 2 years, that should put a little dent in the teams and nfls pocket

[Rutnstrut]

Worst haircut since the president.

It doesn't matter when they are that rich, they can pay to get laid.

[Zool]

It doesn't matter when they are that rich, they can pay to get laid.

But you would think someone would tell them? I think it's a challenge to see if they can get laid with that haircut, without paying for it.

[pbmax]

But you would think someone would tell them? I think it's a challenge to see if they can get laid with that haircut, without paying for it.

Exactly. Pay someone to tell you that you look like a monstrous, mutated ginger version of elderly Paul Simon.

[pbmax]

Chris Roth‏ @rothchris 32m32 minutes ago
New Bills HC Sean McDermott says @micah_hyde will start out at safety, calls him a quality person too. That's not breaking news in GB

The 6 million dollar safety.

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Adam Schefter‏ @AdamSchefter 3m3 minutes ago
Cowboys TE Jason Witten has signed a four-year extension through 2021, per @toddarcher. May outlast Brady.

He might not outlast Brady, but at this rate his contract will.

[texaspackerbacker]

Adam Schefter‏ @AdamSchefter 3m3 minutes ago
Cowboys TE Jason Witten has signed a four-year extension through 2021, per @toddarcher. May outlast Brady.

He might not outlast Brady, but at this rate his contract will.

I think this was just a strategy to help their salary cap.

[bobblehead]

It's official. Will Raider fans show up in Oakland the next 2 years?

http://www.denverpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/las-vegas-raiders.jpg

Ugh...I'm moving.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Shariff Floyd's career is apparently in jeopardy. Vikings seem to be getting hit hard by career-ending injuries. The Packers have had their share (Tim Lewis, Johnny Holland, Brian Noble, Sterling Sharpe, Nick Collins, Jermichael Finley, Sam Shields, etc.), but you hate to see this no matter what team the guy plays for.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000796481/article/sharrif-floyds-career-in-jeopardy-due-to-nerve-damage

[BZnDallas]

I'll never root for injuries to another team or player. Just not in my DNA. But I'm not gonna cry over it either. As has been stated a couple times recently, we've had our fair share of career enders through the years. I'll save my condolences for Ras, I like that purple rat.

[run pMc]

I'll never root for injuries to another team or player. Just not in my DNA. But I'm not gonna cry over it either. As has been stated a couple times recently, we've had our fair share of career enders through the years. I'll save my condolences for Ras, I like that purple rat.

This. I'll root against teams, but rooting for players to get hurt is...yuck.

I noticed Miami waived Dion Jordan. Think Ted would kick the tires on him? Hasn't played much because they wanted him to bulk up and he got busted for PED's.

[SMBASS]

Redskins signed ILB Zach Brown to a 1 year deal for $4.6 mil today. He had a career year with the Bills last year. 149 tackles, 4 sacks, 1 int., 4 passes defended, and 2 forced fumbles. Dude would have looked good in Green & Gold.

[texaspackerbacker]

Redskins signed ILB Zach Brown to a 1 year deal for $4.6 mil today. He had a career year with the Bills last year. 149 tackles, 4 sacks, 1 int., 4 passes defended, and 2 forced fumbles. Dude would have looked good in Green & Gold.

True for that price. Oh well ...... it just ain't Ted's way.

[Bretsky]

True for that price. Oh well ...... it just ain't Ted's way.


NOPE; but he's better than what we have at ILB.

[Rutnstrut]

ILB is not valued by TT and company. They think they can keep getting by with the rejects. What difference does it really make to TT? Close every other year and one SB is good enough for him.

[Freak Out]

Tony Romo to CBS? What?

[pbmax]

Tony Romo to CBS? What?

He is supposed to be retiring and moving to lead CBS team and do golf.

[Joemailman]

This. I'll root against teams, but rooting for players to get hurt is...yuck.

I noticed Miami waived Dion Jordan. Think Ted would kick the tires on him? Hasn't played much because they wanted him to bulk up and he got busted for PED's.

Guy has been nothing but a bust. My guess is he was a creation of steroids and can't bulk up without them.

[BZnDallas]

Guy has been nothing but a bust. My guess is he was a creation of steroids and can't bulk up without them.

I could show him some pointers on bulking up. Its more in tune with the way Lacy bulks up though :-)

[pbmax]

I could show him some pointers on bulking up. Its more in tune with the way Lacy bulks up though :-)

Artisanal Mac and Cheese craze has been a boon for this workout.

[Zool]

Artisanal Mac and Cheese craze has been a boon for this workout.

And beer.

[Teamcheez1]

Our CB issues are solved. Tramaine Brock has been releaseed by the 49er's. He has a few issues, but he can room with Mixon after we draft him.

[gbgary]

Our CB issues are solved. Tramaine Brock has been releaseed by the 49er's. He has a few issues, but he can room with Mixon after we draft him.

:-)

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Super 70s Sports‏ @Super70sSports 14h14 hours ago
Dan Fouts drops back to pass as a confused Clark Griswold asks for directions on the Chargers sideline.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9QehJsWAAQpcDE.jpg:large

[QBME]

Super 70s Sports‏ @Super70sSports 14h14 hours ago
Dan Fouts drops back to pass as a confused Clark Griswold asks for directions on the Chargers sideline.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9QehJsWAAQpcDE.jpg:large

The Family Truckster...nice

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Chicago Bears‏ @ChicagoBears 3h3 hours ago
LaMar “Soup” Campbell is our new Dir. of Player Engagement. Soup was Asst. Athletic Dir-Student Athlete Engagement at UW-Madison for 2 yrs.


SOOOOOOUUUUPP!!!


http://www.news.wisc.edu/story_images/9780/medium/Campbell_Lamar_Action_1996.jpg?1421081892


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9vAvl3XUAI3-6E.jpg:large

[Pugger]

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/19191248/former-new-england-patriots-te-aaron-hernandez-found-dead-prison-cell

[pbmax]

Arian Peterson signs with New Orleans.

Ian Rapoport‏ @RapSheet 10m10 minutes ago
On Adrian Peterson: His expected salary from #Saints of $3.25M will be less than Mark Ingram makes in '17. NO is respectful of Ingram's role

He will surely help their defense.

[Bretsky]

Arian Peterson signs with New Orleans.

Ian Rapoport‏ @RapSheet 10m10 minutes ago
On Adrian Peterson: His expected salary from #Saints of $3.25M will be less than Mark Ingram makes in '17. NO is respectful of Ingram's role

He will surely help their defense.


3.25 is not a lot to risk for a GM with stones

[esoxx]

No stones.

[Fritz]

Lagarette Blount, anyone?

Enough stones for you?

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ProFootballTalk‏Verified account @ProFootballTalk 2h2 hours ago
The name of the unnamed player under investigation will likely be out soon. I've already heard it from two different people whom I trust.

We are at rumors about rumors stage now.

Holy crap, its an actual thing.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/04/25/unnamed-first-round-prospect-faces-sexual-assault-allegation-in-cleveland/

WOIO in Cleveland has a story of a likely first rounder being accused or assault. No police report or charges yet. They are not publishing name of alleged perpetrator or victim, but Florio seems to think its only a manner of time before it gets leaked. The station know who the player is, because they have quotes from his lawyer.

[pbmax]

The player involved is Ohio State CB Gareon Conley.

[Zool]

Ohio state are the new Miami Hurricanes.

[pbmax]

Ohio state are the new Miami Hurricanes.

Or the Urban Meyer Florida Gators. That guy, bible thumper and all, recruits some bad hombres.

#AaronHernandez

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Ian Rapoport‏Verified account @RapSheet 5m5 minutes ago
The #Bills have completely cleaned house in their scouting department, firing everyone as @mikerodak said. A whole new world.

[pbmax]

Red bookmark this to help you start the 2018 NFL Draft thread after the Packers third loss next next year.

Matt Miller‏Verified account @nfldraftscout 7h
Early 2018 thoughts:

- Good QB potential
- Ohio State is loaded
- Strong LB, CB, OT class
- WR, DL, TE look iffy

[pbmax]

Albert Breer‏
@AlbertBreer
Per source, the owners just passed a resolution eliminating the 75-man cutdown. So now, there'll be just one cutdown day -- 90 to 53.

Tom Pelissero‏ @TomPelissero
Roger Goodell is expected to tell NFL owners group celebrations, using ball as prop after TDs, going to ground, snow angels are now allowed.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/05/23/celebration-rules-could-relax-to-an-extent/

Tom E. Curran‏ @tomecurran 10m10 minutes ago
Hours of study, focus-group testing and meetings yield conclusion that folks don't mind spontaneous, brief celebrations. Genius.

[texaspackerbacker]

They should say anything goes for 5 seconds, maybe 10 at most - maybe even put a big clock on the scoreboard. Then it's either done or it's a penalty.

[Joemailman]

Albert Breer‏
@AlbertBreer
Per source, the owners just passed a resolution eliminating the 75-man cutdown. So now, there'll be just one cutdown day -- 90 to 53.

Tom Pelissero‏ @TomPelissero
Roger Goodell is expected to tell NFL owners group celebrations, using ball as prop after TDs, going to ground, snow angels are now allowed.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/05/23/celebration-rules-could-relax-to-an-extent/

Tom E. Curran‏ @tomecurran 10m10 minutes ago
Hours of study, focus-group testing and meetings yield conclusion that folks don't mind spontaneous, brief celebrations. Genius.

Who's gonna jump in the Salvation Army Kettle this year?

[pbmax]

They should say anything goes for 5 seconds, maybe 10 at most - maybe even put a big clock on the scoreboard. Then it's either done or it's a penalty.

Exactly. Do a countdown. Review it if you have to! Let 'em go nuts for a short period of time.

[Joemailman]

Former Packers TE Mitchell Henry's battle with leukemia seems to have taken a turn for the worse. He's asking for prayers. http://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/2017/05/26/former-packers-te-battling-cancer-asks-prayers/350280001/

[Bretsky]

Former Packers TE Mitchell Henry's battle with leukemia seems to have taken a turn for the worse. He's asking for prayers. http://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/2017/05/26/former-packers-te-battling-cancer-asks-prayers/350280001/



That sucks; first class guy. I watched him at the Packers annual softball tournament

Him and Richard Rodgers has the two smoothest power swings on the team

The punter has a really smooth left hand swing as well

[smuggler]

Schum or Masthay?

[Fritz]

Exactly. Do a countdown. Review it if you have to! Let 'em go nuts for a short period of time.

If only Najeh Davenport were still in the league...

Doin' "The Laundry Basket." It'd be the next big thing.

[pbmax]

Name all 51 Super Bowl winners in 5 minutes.

I remembered the damn Saints with 3 seconds left. Also nearly forgot the Rams and took forever to remember that the 49ers did win SBs back to back.

https://www.sporcle.com/games/g/superbowls


All 51 Halftime Shows. 31 out of 51 and I was lucky.

https://www.sporcle.com/games/dldove77/superbowlhalftime

[swede]

Name all 51 Super Bowl winners in 5 minutes.

I remembered the damn Saints with 3 seconds left. Also nearly forgot the Rams and took forever to remember that the 49ers did win SBs back to back.

https://www.sporcle.com/games/g/superbowls


All 51 Halftime Shows. 31 out of 51 and I was lucky.

https://www.sporcle.com/games/dldove77/superbowlhalftime

Cheerios!

...no, that was yesterday...

[Joemailman]

Jets release Eric Decker in a salary cap move. http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/19578246/new-york-jets-cut-eric-decker-trade-talks

[Rutnstrut]

The NFL should just go ahead and give the Jets the #1 draft pick now.

[Joemailman]

Rams trade former #2 overall pick Greg Robinson to the Lions for a 2018 6th round pick.


Robinson exits L.A. as a big-time bust. He has been one of the worst left tackles in the NFL since entering the league in 2014. His struggles last season were a major reason the Rams offense was one of the least productive in the league, and why Jared Goff and Todd Gurley were continuously engulfed. Robinson was buried on the depth chart by new coach Sean McVay, behind Jamon Brown, during offseason workouts.

[mraynrand]

Rams trade former #2 overall pick Greg Robinson to the Lions for a 2018 6th round pick.


Whoa!
http://top10busts.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/tony-m-image-04.jpg

[Fritz]

Bob Quinn is trying to be very Belichek-like, I think.

We'll see if Jim Caldwell can work some magic with this kid. We'll see.

[pbmax]

Michael Lombardi‏ @mlombardiNFL
Firing Dorsey after the Chiefs made changes with their front office is interesting and sounds like an in-house promotion looms


Will be interesting to see if the hire is even more tied to Reid than Dorsey was.

[Joemailman]

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/19731607/minnesota-vikings-support-michael-floyd-kombucha-tea-defense


he Minnesota Vikings reportedly are supporting Michael Floyd's claim that any alcohol present in drug tests he took while under house arrest came from drinking kombucha tea.

[pbmax]

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/19731607/minnesota-vikings-support-michael-floyd-kombucha-tea-defense

Still not sure how this is a defense.

[hoosier]

Former Packers TE Mitchell Henry's battle with leukemia seems to have taken a turn for the worse. He's asking for prayers. http://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/2017/05/26/former-packers-te-battling-cancer-asks-prayers/350280001/

Mitchell Henry died today, complications from acute myeloid leukemia. RIP.

[Joemailman]

Damn. 24 years old. Take nothing for granted.

[Zool]

Still not sure how this is a defense.

The math works out to 10-15 bottles. It's hogwash.

[smuggler]

Fucking sucks about Mitchell Henry. Sometimes it's just not in the cards. I hope he was able to live his last year since his diagnosis to the fullest.

[Zool]

Bacteria has a better life than we do.

https://i.redd.it/5ftnhjwt1n7z.jpg

[Joemailman]

Antonio Brown arrives at training camp.

http://www.post-gazette.com/image/2017/07/27/1140x_q90_a10-7_cTC_ca39,229,1998,1535/WEB-Antonio-Brown-Rolls-Royce-2017.jpg