TJ Lang goes to Lions

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Mike McCartney‏ @MikeMcCartney7 1m1 minute ago
OG @TJLang70 has agreed to a 3 year contract with the @Lions

[gbgary]

that's better than going to the ospreys as far a the Packers are concerned.

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fuck

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any confirmation of this?

all i'm seeing is that he's narrowed it down to the lions, seahawks and packers (all the teams he visited)

and he said that on TV in the last hour

[Joemailman]

Mike McCartney ✔ @MikeMcCartney7
OG @TJLang70 has agreed to a 3 year contract with the @Lions
11:53 AM - 12 Mar 2017
174 174 Retweets 110 110 likes

[pbmax]

Pretty sure that is his agent's Twitter. Unless he claims he got hacked ...

Objectively, I don't want Lang at his age for a 3 year 3rd contract and big money. Though pay as you go would mitigate a lot of that, still not my favorite way to spend money on a position that can be had cheaper.

But I would really rather have Tretter back for some options. Or at least a plan beyond Bulaga at Guard.

[Bub]

http://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2017/3/12/14899506/lions-sign-t-j-lang-to-3-year-deal-former-packers-guard-stays-in-nfc-north

[pbmax]

Meet Lucas Patrick, possibly your starting Guard in 2017.

http://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2017/02/24/patrick-prepared-if-packers-guards-down/98350824/

[Joemailman]

Meet Lucas Patrick, possibly your starting Guard in 2017.

http://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2017/02/24/patrick-prepared-if-packers-guards-down/98350824/

Maybe. Or Bulaga. Or Spriggs. Or a draft pick. Packers not afraid to stick a rookie in there on the OL.

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i sure hope the plan isn't barclay

[gbgary]

i sure hope the plan isn't barclay

barclay will be the b/u center.

[BZnDallas]

Thank you Lang for your services. No hoWrd feelings. But can't wish a rival a good luck so gooday. Guess OL gets added to possibilities in the draft in say rounds 3-5 maybe? Who knows really, but its fun to guess.

[RashanGary]

Thank you Lang for your services. No hoWrd feelings. But can't wish a rival a good luck so gooday. Guess OL gets added to possibilities in the draft in say rounds 3-5 maybe? Who knows really, but its fun to guess.

Gonna have to sign Taylor long term, and Lindsley. Then we need one guy to step forward. Springs, Patrick, Murphy or a draft pick.

[Pugger]

Lang is getting $9.5M average for 3 years with $19M fully guaranteed. No way Ted matches that.

[Pugger]

Meet Lucas Patrick, possibly your starting Guard in 2017.

http://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2017/02/24/patrick-prepared-if-packers-guards-down/98350824/

Didn't McCoach talk about him earlier?

[pbmax]

Lang is getting $9.5M average for 3 years with $19M fully guaranteed. No way Ted matches that.

Tom Silverstein‏ @TomSilverstein 52m52 minutes ago
G T.J. Lang received a three-year, $28.5 million deal with $19M fully guaranteed, according to source.

Rob Demovsky‏ @RobDemovsky
Was told Packers best offer wasn't close: 3 years, $21.5M with $6.5M guaranteed. Lang would have stayed if it was close. Clearly it wasn't

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damn, lots of coin

can't let guys you want to keep hit free agency

[smuggler]

They guaranteed $20 mil. He's a good player, but I don't see him as a $9.5 mil/year guy. Still, another whole to fill. Likely a 3rd round comp pick, and at least a 4th.

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They guaranteed $20 mil. He's a good player, but I don't see him as a $9.5 mil/year guy. Still, another whole to fill. Likely a 3rd round comp pick, and at least a 4th.

that 20 million guaranteed could be mostly bull shit

gotta see the numbers

most teams will consider everything involved in the first 2 years to be guaranteed, because they just signed the guy, they plan on keeping him

so a guy with a salary of 3 million his first year, with a 2 million dollar roster bonus in year one, plus a 3 million dollar salary in year 2 with a 3 million dollar roster bonus, plus just a 9 million dollar signing bonus, becomes 20 million "guaranteed

smoke and mirrors, i bet when the end numbers come out, its not gonna be that much more then green bay offered him

green bay could have played the same gme by saying bennetts deal was a 3 year 21 million dollar deal with 14.5 million "guaranteed"

[Rutnstrut]

TT fucked up AGAIN, big shocker there. He lets Tretter and Lang go, Yet signs two TE's that they will never use to their potential.

[falco]

TT fucked up AGAIN, big shocker there. He lets Tretter and Lang go, Yet signs two TE's that they will never use to their potential.


:D

[King Friday]

TT fucked up AGAIN, big shocker there. He lets Tretter and Lang go, Yet signs two TE's that they will never use to their potential.

Care to cite the number of spectacular 30 year old offensive guard free agency signings in recent years?

$9M a year for a 30 year old guard is way too steep of a price. It was wise to not pay that kind of money for Lang, even if he was a good player. Overspending for anyone is what kills you with the salary cap.

[RashanGary]

We'll see how it goes

[Rutnstrut]

Care to cite the number of spectacular 30 year old offensive guard free agency signings in recent years?

$9M a year for a 30 year old guard is way too steep of a price. It was wise to not pay that kind of money for Lang, even if he was a good player. Overspending for anyone is what kills you with the salary cap.

We will see if you feel that way when a patch work line gets Rodgers hurt.

[Zool]

http://www.know-bull.com/images/tsif.jpg

[Pugger]

We will see if you feel that way when a patch work line gets Rodgers hurt.

This sounds just like what we heard when Sitton was released and Lane Taylor stepped in - Rodgers is going to get killed without our Pro-Bowl LG. I'll be surprised if Lang lasts as long as the contract he just signed.

[Guiness]

that 20 million guaranteed could be mostly bull shit

gotta see the numbers

most teams will consider everything involved in the first 2 years to be guaranteed, because they just signed the guy, they plan on keeping him

so a guy with a salary of 3 million his first year, with a 2 million dollar roster bonus in year one, plus a 3 million dollar salary in year 2 with a 3 million dollar roster bonus, plus just a 9 million dollar signing bonus, becomes 20 million "guaranteed

smoke and mirrors, i bet when the end numbers come out, its not gonna be that much more then green bay offered him

green bay could have played the same gme by saying bennetts deal was a 3 year 21 million dollar deal with 14.5 million "guaranteed"

You might be right, and the 'real' money is closer to what the Packers offered. If the announced numbers are anywhere near accurate, it sounds like a market setting deal. Sitton got 3yrs/$21 million with a $2M bonus, long way from these numbers. These numbers could be inflated, but this contract could also be similar to Marco Riveria's final deal.

[pbmax]

Not going to lie, was firmly convinced Lane Taylor was the sky falling.

[Bossman641]

Lang's deal -- reportedly three years for $28.5 million with $19 million guaranteed -- is in line with the averages for players like Warford and Ronald Leary, but the Lions had to pay extra in terms of guarantees to win over Lang. He got more in guarantees than Warford ($17 million) and nearly as much as Leary ($20 million) despite the fact that they each picked up four-year deals. No other guard in football with a multiyear, non-rookie contract has more than 52 percent of their contact guaranteed. Lang is at 66.7 percent, making it likely he'll see all three years of this deal.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/page/Barnwellx2017FAgrades/bill-barnwell-grades-big-2017-free-agent-deals-nfl

[texaspackerbacker]

Tom Silverstein‏ @TomSilverstein 52m52 minutes ago
G T.J. Lang received a three-year, $28.5 million deal with $19M fully guaranteed, according to source.

Rob Demovsky‏ @RobDemovsky
Was told Packers best offer wasn't close: 3 years, $21.5M with $6.5M guaranteed. Lang would have stayed if it was close. Clearly it wasn't

If these numbers are correct, Ted was right to let him go. Congrats to Lang for skinning the Lions. I think we will be OK in the O Line whichever way it goes - Bulaga at guard and Spriggs starting sounds good. It's Aaron Rodgers' mobility that makes all these guys seem better anyway.

[Carolina_Packer]

If these numbers are correct, Ted was right to let him go. Congrats to Lang for skinning the Lions. I think we will be OK in the O Line whichever way it goes - Bulaga at guard and Spriggs starting sounds good. It's Aaron Rodgers' mobility that makes all these guys seem better anyway.

Everybody knows, or everybody should know, it's a game of replacement. More power to the players who get a big pay day. A player deserves whatever the market will bear. I am thankful that our GM doesn't panic and sticks to his guns about what he thinks a player is worth in terms of cap hit.

Even though some fans perceive there to be a lot of money under the cap, that doesn't mean it has to burn a hole in the GM's pocket, or cause him to panic about life without that player, or overpay to keep that player. Every GM knows it's a game of replacement, and have to operate like that, with a long view of the future. Fans just want to win now, which I get with a franchise QB. Nobody wants to go back to the scary cap days of Sherman. 2005-2006 was pretty lean around our franchise QB. If going all in means a cap mess later, count me out.

[smuggler]

Lang was a good player. Borderline elite for a few seasons. Not quite. He was not a Hall of Fame must-keep. So, we don't keep for $10mil/year. Seems reasonable to me. Thanks for the comp pick, Leos!

Forrest Lamp is a possibility in the 1st round. Played OT in college, projects as an OG in the NFL. We know how TT loves that shit. Also, he played very well at OG in the Senior Bowl.

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Ryan Wood‏ @ByRyanWood
Great stuff from @TomSilverstein: #Packers opened at $7M APY, raised offer to keep TJ Lang. Didn't get close enough.

Spoon says that significantly might be poor choice of word, subsequently says that Packers raised their offer but did not get to Lions offer level.

[Pugger]

Lang was a good player. Borderline elite for a few seasons. Not quite. He was not a Hall of Fame must-keep. So, we don't keep for $10mil/year. Seems reasonable to me. Thanks for the comp pick, Leos!

Forrest Lamp is a possibility in the 1st round. Played OT in college, projects as an OG in the NFL. We know how TT loves that shit. Also, he played very well at OG in the Senior Bowl.

Lamp also had a nice showing at the Combine.

[NewsBruin]

Everybody knows, or everybody should know, it's a game of replacement. More power to the players who get a big pay day. A player deserves whatever the market will bear.

You ain't Lion.

As a distant Packer fan, I kept seeing Lang on the injury list and/or helped/carted off the field. I hear he's Packer People, but I don't think he's got 30 of 48 fourth quarters in the regular season left in him.

[pbmax]

I love Lamp.

[pbmax]

This is not enough to make me think he is the unquestioned starter, but its not exactly vet minimum either.

@BobMcGinn 21m21 minutes ago
C-G-T Don Barclay's one-year, $1.025m deal with #Packers contains $150,000 s-bonus, $100,000 workout bonus and $775,000 minimum base salary.

[Zool]

This is not enough to make me think he is the unquestioned starter, but its not exactly vet minimum either.

@BobMcGinn 21m21 minutes ago
C-G-T Don Barclay's one-year, $1.025m deal with #Packers contains $150,000 s-bonus, $100,000 workout bonus and $775,000 minimum base salary.

Yuck. Normally guys round into form at Donnny's age, not drop off a cliff.

[pbmax]

Yuck. Normally guys round into form at Donnny's age, not drop off a cliff.

M3 at one point last year thought injuries and the recovery cost Barclay on the field. I seem to recall him scoring better during his fill-in stints in 2016.

They might be believers again.

[Upnorth]

Good for Lang, but the oline in general got really expensive this year. Kind of wish we got barclay on a 2 year deal as backup.

[Rutnstrut]

You also can't put a value on Lang's toughness/heart. But TT seems to love his pussified players.

[pbmax]

You also can't put a value on Lang's toughness/heart. But TT seems to love his pussified players.

This is of course why Lang got a second contract from TT.

[MadScientist]

You also can't put a value on Lang's toughness/heart. But TT seems to love his pussified players.

Toughness and heart only go so far as the body fails. Better to cut ties a year early than a year late.

[Rutnstrut]

Toughness and heart only go so far as the body fails. Better to cut ties a year early than a year late.

Then why in the hell is Clay still on the team?

[QBME]

Meet Lucas Patrick, possibly your starting Guard in 2017.

http://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2017/02/24/patrick-prepared-if-packers-guards-down/98350824/

Well, the guy's from Duke. At least he will comprehend why his ass is being beat into the ground.

[Bretsky]

Maybe MM was in denial
But we all knew this was coming

[Teamcheez1]

JSOnline said that Lang was now the 5th highest paid guard in the NFL.

[Zool]

Then why in the hell is Clay still on the team?

The same reason tough ass Lang got a second contract.

[Pugger]

Then why in the hell is Clay still on the team?

Because his contract goes thru 2018. IMO the only way he leaves is if we trade him.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Tretter has to play center for his career. He had to leave. Lang loss is a disappointment, but guess Ted likes his linemen young and frisky. I almost said tender.

[Rutnstrut]

Because his contract goes thru 2018. IMO the only way he leaves is if we trade him.

But he suuuucks!!!!

[BZnDallas]

Like Carolina said in another thread, this is a league of replacement. And the best team in the league, the cream of the crop, the creme de la creme, is the New England Patriots. And they have damn near perfected the let them walk a year early is better than a year late strategy. Even if that means letting go of fan favorites. If there is anybody in this league I'd want to emulate its them. And now it looks like Ted and co., who have run about as consistent an organization as NE has, and now looks to be getting more comfortable with this free agency thing. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying everything is gravy train in GB, I still have my problems with the team. Dom mostly. But I'm happy to at least see Ted attempt to make this team better using free agency. Been asking for that for awhile now.