2013 draft...

[gbgary]

draft and develop? not so much.

datone-jones-eddie-lacy-and-the-failed-packers-draft-class-of-2013/ (http://packerswire.usatoday.com/2017/03/14/datone-jones-eddie-lacy-and-the-failed-packers-draft-class-of-2013/)

[smuggler]

Failed draft class? That was actually a really nice haul. The fact a lot of them aren't on the team is because other teams coveted the picks and signed them away.

Jones was decent, not really good. Not a bust, but wouldn't make the pick again. He gets us a 5th round comp pick.
Lacy was a good part of the offense. On the verge of eating himself out of the league. He still gets us a 5th round comp pick.
Bakhtiari is perhaps the best pass-blocking LT in the league.
Tretter was a good center and a versatile backup. His departure is a bit of a bummer, but he gets us a 5th round comp pick.
Franklin was a promising RB but he suffered a career ending neck injury. This is the NFL, shit happens.
Hyde was a great pick. He provided depth and was able to play both from the slot and at safety. He left us, but again... 5th round comp pick.
Josh Boyd never amounted to much. Wouldn't pick again.
Nate Palmer was a bust as an edge rusher. They tried to convert him to an interior guy. No success there either.
Charles Johnson was a great pick. We lost the appeal to the league to keep him on the roster and he ended up on the Vikings. He's a serviceable receiver for them.
Dorsey never became an NFL player. Wouldn't pick again.
Barrington was an awesome 7th round pick. Got some starter play from him, even if he wasn't particularly good.

[smuggler]

Not to mention we got undrafted players Mulumba and ... starting guard Lane Taylor.

[Upnorth]

From the packers perspective it is not helping our team as much as we would like 4 years later. But it wasn't a bust. Over half of these guys are going into year 5 still in the NFL. That's well above average so not a bust.

[hoosier]

Failed draft class? That was actually a really nice haul. The fact a lot of them aren't on the team is because other teams coveted the picks and signed them away.

Jones was decent, not really good. Not a bust, but wouldn't make the pick again. He gets us a 5th round comp pick.
Lacy was a good part of the offense. On the verge of eating himself out of the league. He still gets us a 5th round comp pick.
Bakhtiari is perhaps the best pass-blocking LT in the league.
Tretter was a good center and a versatile backup. His departure is a bit of a bummer, but he gets us a 5th round comp pick.
Franklin was a promising RB but he suffered a career ending neck injury. This is the NFL, shit happens.
Hyde was a great pick. He provided depth and was able to play both from the slot and at safety. He left us, but again... 5th round comp pick.
Josh Boyd never amounted to much. Wouldn't pick again.
Nate Palmer was a bust as an edge rusher. They tried to convert him to an interior guy. No success there either.
Charles Johnson was a great pick. We lost the appeal to the league to keep him on the roster and he ended up on the Vikings. He's a serviceable receiver for them.
Dorsey never became an NFL player. Wouldn't pick again.
Barrington was an awesome 7th round pick. Got some starter play from him, even if he wasn't particularly good.

4 comp picks in 5th round??? :-)

[pbmax]

Might be hard to believe, but Packers haul in 2013 makes the rest of the League jealous:

Albert Breer‏Verified account @AlbertBreer 16h16 hours ago
Less than 4 years later, 7 of the top 12 picks in the 2013 draft have been dumped by their drafting teams.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C66QYFdUwAAG-4a.jpg:large

[pbmax]

Jon Heath‏Verified account @JonHeathNFL Mar 13
Every member of #Broncos 2013 draft class—John Elway's worst ever—is now off the team's roster: http://usat.ly/2lVh4LA


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C62jZcGWYAAaJf5.jpg:large

[red]

1 pick left on the team after 3 seasons?

That's a horrible draft, and not something that can happen with a " build almost only through the draft" team

[Bretsky]

1 pick left on the team after 3 seasons?

That's a horrible draft, and not something that can happen with a " build almost only through the draft" team


I'd have to think in the draft and develop philosophy much of the measurement would be how many of the teams picks warrant second term contracts from the Green Bay Packers after 3-4 years of development. Too lazy to do the research but wonders how these would look since the 2011 or so area

[pbmax]

1 pick left on the team after 3 seasons?

That's a horrible draft, and not something that can happen with a " build almost only through the draft" team

Pretty sure the evidence of their record says otherwise. And before you say Rodgers, when he was way off, they still went 10-6.

2013 was a disaster of a draft for a lot of teams. Epically bad.

[Upnorth]

2013 Ted made some good picks. like I said before 4 are still in the league. That is way above average for the NFL in 2013. Some teams did better though.

[bobblehead]

2013 Ted made some good picks. like I said before 4 are still in the league. That is way above average for the NFL in 2013. Some teams did better though.

In a draft that was heralded for its LT class, TT snagged the best one of the draft in the 4th? round.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Good draft. We had most of those guys for 4 years (not 3), and most contributed to the team. Many will bring back picks comparable to where they were drafted. Outside of Jones, who I'd label a bust, most of those guys outperformed the typical production of their draft position. The problem with Jones was scheme fit. Sometimes those work out (many thought Perry could not play 3-4 OLB). Sometimes they don't (Jones).

[bobblehead]

Only reason to call this draft a flop in terms of league wide success is because cap went up 4 years later and GMs are worse than politicians.

[run pMc]

Aw this is a page right out of McGinn's Troll Book.
It's not like Ted's picks have washed out of the league...if anything, they drafted and developed too well compared to other teams such that they couldn't sign/retain all their players. Tretter? Starting elsewhere. We have Linsley.
Datone? Meh, thought was he would be a good 5-tech but turns out he wasn't. Would you pay him $3.75M to play OLB again?
Lacy? Played really well when healthy and in shape. Takes over the Marshawn Lynch role. Would you pay him $5M a year?
Hyde? HAHAHA we aren't paying him $5-6M a year. He got almost as much guaranteed money as Perry.

Bahktiari is a top 10 LT.

The rest have bounced around the league and started games for other teams if not GB...that's not a bad draft, it's just they couldn't keep them.

[Pugger]

1 pick left on the team after 3 seasons?

That's a horrible draft, and not something that can happen with a " build almost only through the draft" team

If you look at this class now it appears 2013 wasn't one of the better draft classes. Only a couple of the guys taken in the first 10 picks is better than average today.

[smuggler]

1 pick left on the team after 3 seasons?

That's a horrible draft, and not something that can happen with a " build almost only through the draft" team

Well, the Packers had like six guys still on the team from the 2013 draft after 3 seasons. Does that make it a success?

[red]

Well, the Packers had like six guys still on the team from the 2013 draft after 3 seasons. Does that make it a success?

not in my book

whether a player just sucks, or he's an all pro for another team, if he's no longer on the team after 4 years, thats a fail for TT

when you're a build and develop only team like we are (for the most part), you have to find 8-10 guys every single year that can play, and then you have to keep them for 5 or 6 or 7 years at least. you can't afford to loose the decent ones you find

TT did good drafting that year, he did terrible keeping those players. busts or all pros on other teams contribute the same amount to our team next year, nothing

nothing= fail. except for one home run on bahk

[gbgary]

Well, the Packers had like six guys still on the team from the 2013 draft after 3 seasons. Does that make it a success?

they were still under contract. tt doesn't care if you don't play well...only that you're cheap. lol

[pbmax]

The only problem with the 2013 draft was that it contained only one cornerstone. The other pieces were good, but not good enough.

Not a bust of a draft (especially compared to other teams that year) but not a franchise maker either.

[Upnorth]

not in my book

whether a player just sucks, or he's an all pro for another team, if he's no longer on the team after 4 years, thats a fail for TT

when you're a build and develop only team like we are (for the most part), you have to find 8-10 guys every single year that can play, and then you have to keep them for 5 or 6 or 7 years at least. you can't afford to loose the decent ones you find

TT did good drafting that year, he did terrible keeping those players. busts or all pros on other teams contribute the same amount to our team next year, nothing

nothing= fail. except for one home run on bahk

Drafting was awesome for the year. Retention is completely different. I think 75% of the league would have taken our 2013 draft results

[Bretsky]

on paper the picks look fine had we kept them all. But I also don' t think it's unfair to measure TT,since he's pretty much draft and develop only....by how many of his picks warrant second contract. I don't think many if any of these guys wanted to leave. Ted didn't value them high enough to warrant paying them the market value and keeping them.

[Upnorth]

Or the market over valued them. 2013 was not a strong class. It increases their relative value unless you are a good drafting team. Can't be critical of the draft. You can of the lack of retention

[run pMc]

So the criticism shifts from the picks to the retention...

How much would YOU have offered Datone, Lacy, Tretter and Hyde? I recall people posting about offering Lacy a 1 year deal for $2M plus incentives. The Packers gave Lacy an offer, Seattle beat it. It's not like TT and M3 didn't want him back, at least according to M3's comments. It's a good drat for RBs supposedly, so TT will find an in-shape, cheaper, non-injured replacement.

I've already mentioned Hyde.
Tretter wasn't worth starter's money as a backup. Linsley is the starter for one thing, and Tretter can't stay healthy for another. Plus Cleveland offered him a ton of money, and even McGinn was talking the season before this one about how Tretter was likely gone.

Good for these guys for getting paid; I don't have anything against them. I just don't think their contracts are worth it.

pbmax is right about the problem with this draft being only one cornerstone.

[Pugger]

Datone is a disappointing goof ball who will commit a personal foul at the worse possible moment. He will never have to worry about paying his MENSA dues. He has never been the pass rusher we had hoped for.

Lacy is a good back but I don't think he is as dedicated as he should be and having asthma isn't a good combo for a football player in GB. We can find a younger back in this draft to compliment Monty.

Tretter probably wanted a chance to start and we have one in Linsley. JC is a better tackle than guard and we have more tackles than we have spots for.

Hyde is good but is he better than House? House is faster and speed is one thing we need on this defense, especially with Shields gone.

The one FA we lost that leaves the biggest hole is Lang. Unless they have another Lane Taylor under wraps this development has me concerned the most.

[Zool]

I think theyll miss Tretter almost as much as Lang. O-linemen who can play multiple positions well aren't common. See Barclay, Don.

[smuggler]

on paper the picks look fine had we kept them all. But I also don' t think it's unfair to measure TT,since he's pretty much draft and develop only....by how many of his picks warrant second contract. I don't think many if any of these guys wanted to leave. Ted didn't value them high enough to warrant paying them the market value and keeping them.

This is fair for Datone. Hyde got $6mil/yr and Tretter about the same. Lang got almost $10mil/yr.

[pbmax]

I think theyll miss Tretter almost as much as Lang. O-linemen who can play multiple positions well aren't common. See Barclay, Don.

I also wonder about the order of events. Is Tretter still on this team if Lang signed with the Lions first?

[Joemailman]

I also wonder about the order of events. Is Tretter still on this team if Lang signed with the Lions first?

If they thought Tretter could replace Lang, I'm inclined to think they would have signed Tretter right away and not bothered to try and sign Lang. Younger and less expensive.

[Pugger]

If they thought Tretter could replace Lang, I'm inclined to think they would have signed Tretter right away and not bothered to try and sign Lang. Younger and less expensive.

I think Tretter is a better tackle than guard.

[Upnorth]

For me the two losses that concern me the most are Hyde and tretter. Lang was going to get top dollar but tretter in and around 5/yr was likely worth it. Same with Hyde. Real question is whether they would have accepted 5/year from gb prior to fa.

[Zool]

I think Tretter is a better tackle than guard.

Agreed. He's a guard in a pinch. If he could stay healthy he would be the starting center and we'd be wondering about Linsley as Langs replacement.

[pbmax]

If they thought Tretter could replace Lang, I'm inclined to think they would have signed Tretter right away and not bothered to try and sign Lang. Younger and less expensive.

Not inexpensive for a backup, though. However, he might have been just about the most versatile backup they have had since, what, Flanagan?

I don't think he starts at Guard even if he stays, but there is room in the budget even as the most expensive backup O line in the League.

[bobblehead]

I'm ready to make my call.
1) JT Watt OLB
2) Quincy Wilson CB
3) Joe Mixon RB

[bobblehead]

I'm ready to make my call.
1) JT Watt OLB
2) Quincy Wilson CB
3) Joe Mixon RB

Dammit...wrong draft thread!

[pbmax]

Dammit...wrong draft thread!

How very Vikings of you bobble!

:D

[smuggler]

Nice pbmax. Too bad they drafted Kevin Williams when they made that blunder. ...

[bobblehead]

Nice pbmax. Too bad they drafted Kevin Williams when they made that blunder. ...

Well...if I'm going full vikings perhaps we have a stellar draft now.