Free Agency So Far

[Smidgeon]

ESPN is running a poll about who has had the best free agency and the worst. They preselected about 7 teams each for the poll, and the Packers are one of the 7 worst in their opinion. What do you think?

[Smidgeon]

Personally, I think it's been a success:

* The offense will be better with two talented TEs
* Lang will be missed, but not at $9 MM per
* The Packers only lost two notable FAs (1 count for Lang, 1 combined count for Lacy, Jones, and Tretter)
* The defense will be better as I firmly believe last year was significantly below average performance for Rollins and Randall and they'll improve simply by regression to the mean.

Downsides are that the Packers need a RB. And could use another talented CB and pass rusher. But they aren't far, and I think it's absolutely ridiculous to call them one of the worst performers during the first week of FA. I think with two TEs, the Packers O will be even more difficult to stop than the end of last year (barring injuries).

I'm not a koolaid drinker (most of the time), but I'm more optimistic than it seems many others are.

[RashanGary]

Draft is very deep at cb and Rb

[pbmax]

There is nothing better for a regular season than to lose the offense according to pundits.

[Carolina_Packer]

I said so-so. I like the signing of the two TE's and keeping Perry. Those are the big moves. Bringing back Davon House is a good move, but we'll see how much he can really help.

I realize you have to leave some room for new guys that you draft, and guys that are still developing. That said, we are not deep at RB, so I'd be in favor of getting one in FA. I think we could kick the tires on AP and see what he has left in the tank.

The elephant in the room is the defense. How are they going to generate more pass rush to help the cover guys on the back end? How are the cover guys going to improve to help the DL? I distinctly recall the second game of the year when the D was getting after it with pressure on Bradford, and several sacks and a very stingy run defense. However, the achilles heel (broken record alert) was Randall getting torched by Stefon Diggs. If Randall doesn't have the quicks to be a cover corner, then perhaps he could fulfill the same type of role that Hyde was filling, and the Packers could go after a cover corner. The best guy available who would cost them is Malcolm Butler, but you could go Alteraun Verner or Nickell Robey-Coleman as veteran depth. CB may be a draft target.

I would switch my vote from so-so to success if they landed Connor Barwin.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Good post. I'd like Barwin and a veteran RB.

[Joemailman]

I said so-so. Barwin would make it a success.

[Bretsky]

OFFENSE LOSSES JUMPING SHIP
Cook
Lang
Tretter
Lacey

OFFENSE GAINS COMING ABOARD
Kendricks

DEFENSIVE LOSSES JUMPING SHIP
Peppers
Hyde
D Jones

DEFENSIVE GAINS COMING ABOARD
House

Kept Perry

[texaspackerbacker]

About the best you can ever hope for with Ted is lateral movement - picking up somebody to cancel out somebody lost. This year, they haven't even done that. Another thing Ted has done in the past is to use high draft picks to replace players lost in free agency. I wouldn't be surprised if he does that again this year - thus, wasting the draft pick in terms of improving the team.

Despite all of that, I voted "so-so" because Ted correctly did not overpay for Lang or Hyde and because losing Lacy IMO is addition by subtraction. Also, they retained my favorite underrated/underplayed Packer (well, second after Janis), Jayrone Elliot. Keeping Nick Perry at that price is an OK move, not a great bargain but at least not losing a good player.

If would take signing a top level Corner (of which there probably aren't any left) AND signing Barwin for me to upgrade it to Good or Excellent.

[Joemailman]

I said so-so. Barwin would make it a success.

Well, so much for that.

[Bretsky]

Thus far we've failed in free agency. Of course the jury is still out but I don't see us using the money that we saved by not keeping Lang or Hyde on many, if any quality free agents.

Did anybody really think Perry was leaving ? We were going to pay for Nick Perry.

Green Bay was far stronger before free agency than they are now; it's an annual thing. Of course our players will improve.....nobody else's will......and we'll use the draft to try to get back to near the level we were when we lost our last playoff game :)

it's an annual thing

[Joemailman]

Thus far we've failed in free agency. Of course the jury is still out but I don't see us using the money that we saved by not keeping Lang or Hyde on many, if any quality free agents.

Did anybody really think Perry was leaving ? We were going to pay for Nick Perry.

Green Bay was far stronger before free agency than they are now; it's an annual thing. Of course our players will improve.....nobody else's will......and we'll use the draft to try to get back to near the level we were when we lost our last playoff game :)

it's an annual thing

The Packers are stronger at Tight End
Probably weaker at Guard
Cornerback is about the same.
A little weaker at OLB.

I think TT will still sign someone or 2. In the end, free agency will probably be a wash.

[Bretsky]

The Packers are stronger at Tight End
Probably weaker at Guard
Cornerback is about the same.
A little weaker at OLB.

I think TT will still sign someone or 2. In the end, free agency will probably be a wash.


The Packers are stronger at TE
The Packers are much weaker at OG
CB, maybe is about the same at best but I'd probably take Hyde over House for the same money
The Packers are a much weaker at OLB after losing both Peppers and Jones without any replacements

Not sure how I feel about Losing Lacy.

[Bretsky]

The Packers are stronger at Tight End
Probably weaker at Guard
Cornerback is about the same.
A little weaker at OLB.

I think TT will still sign someone or 2. In the end, free agency will probably be a wash.


The options are dwindling; we're restocking via draft.

[pbmax]

The Packers are stronger at Tight End
Probably weaker at Guard
Cornerback is about the same.
A little weaker at OLB.

I think TT will still sign someone or 2. In the end, free agency will probably be a wash.

Is this comparison with last year at this time (offseason) or just FA season this year?

Because cornerback is probably better, even if its not good enough, by just adding House to the existing trio. Whatever is lost with Hyde at slot is overshadowed by House outside.

[Bretsky]

Is this comparison with last year at this time (offseason) or just FA season this year?

Because cornerback is probably better, even if its not good enough, by just adding House to the existing trio. Whatever is lost with Hyde at slot is overshadowed by House outside.


This is just this year

[red]

Are we better or worse off compAred to a couple months ago

I say worse

House is a decent signing, and Bennett is a slight upgrade, Kendrick is might be a slight upgrade over dickrod

But we've lost a ton of talent, I know some of you guys like to shit all over ex packer players, but we lost some good players, and haven't replaced those guys (other then cook)

[3irty1]

Thus far we've failed in free agency. Of course the jury is still out but I don't see us using the money that we saved by not keeping Lang or Hyde on many, if any quality free agents.

Did anybody really think Perry was leaving ? We were going to pay for Nick Perry.

Green Bay was far stronger before free agency than they are now; it's an annual thing. Of course our players will improve.....nobody else's will......and we'll use the draft to try to get back to near the level we were when we lost our last playoff game :)

it's an annual thing

Gains from players healing alone usually make this untrue.

A "successful" free agency season is synonymous with failure in the draft. The fact that we need full price help at TE, OLB, CB, and RB is because players at those positions, players on rookie contracts well below market value, have disappointed. No amount of free agents can repay those opportunity costs. This idea that we're one or two overpaid guys away from a superbowl is stupid; we're 3 or 4 vastly underpaid guys away.

At one point the 2013 draft looked like a home run deep into the stands. It was squandered and now the whole thing (minus Bakhtiari) got away without any rings.

[HarveyWallbangers]

OFFENSE GAINS COMING ABOARD
Kendricks

Martellus Bennett

[BZnDallas]

Gains from players healing alone usually make this untrue.

A "successful" free agency season is synonymous with failure in the draft. The fact that we need full price help at TE, OLB, CB, and RB is because players at those positions, players on rookie contracts well below market value, have disappointed. No amount of free agents can repay those opportunity costs. This idea that we're one or two overpaid guys away from a superbowl is stupid; we're 3 or 4 vastly underpaid guys away.

At one point the 2013 draft looked like a home run deep into the stands. It was squandered and now the whole thing (minus Bakhtiari) got away without any rings.

Just WOW. Very well stated.

[gbgary]

total fail. done NOTHING to improve the team so far.

[Smidgeon]

total fail. done NOTHING to improve the team so far.

Really? The #1 TE in FA (and likely Top 5-7 in NFL) signed counts as "nothing"?

[Pugger]

Really? The #1 TE in FA (and likely Top 5-7 in NFL) signed counts as "nothing"?

He doesn't count because he was just replacing Cook, hadn't you heard?

[alquaal]

So-so.
Love the TE upgrade.
Good to keep Arod happy.

[Smidgeon]

He doesn't count because he was just replacing Cook, hadn't you heard?

I'll take 50+ catches and a handful of TDs over 30 catches and 1 TD everyday.

[texaspackerbacker]

It's an upgrade if he/they stay healthy and if they play smart and motivated. It might have been exciting to see a full season of Cook playing with Aaron Rodgers. On the other hand, he might have been prone to injuries, and it seems like he missed a few assignments or whatever when he did play. I don't know anything about Bennett or Kendricks in those ways, but hopefully one or the other or both can do the job.

Still, this is just a little bit better than a lateral move. And combined with everything else, Ted gets about a C- or D+.

[Sparkey]

OFFENSE LOSSES JUMPING SHIP
Cook
Lang
Tretter
Lacey

OFFENSE GAINS COMING ABOARD
Bennett
Kendricks

DEFENSIVE LOSSES JUMPING SHIP
Peppers
Hyde
D Jones

DEFENSIVE GAINS COMING ABOARD
House

Kept Perry

Fixed for you

[Deputy Nutz]

I think the jury is still out on Rollins and Randall. Both suffered through terrible seasons and injuries are most likely a big part of that plus add in the learning curve of being second year players, and then losing Sam Shields. Shields was a top flight corner in the league and the Packers sure fire #1 corner. Nobody truly expect to lose him for good. Unfortunately there is no player on the roster that is ready to step into the cleats vacated by Shields and Thompson was not going to pull the trigger on the higher priced free agents out there. I am not sure any of them were truly worth their contracts, but that is free agency. Teams are going to over pay for what is out there. I am truly fine with losing Hyde and picking up the cheaper House. House is actually a better cover corner but does not offer the flexibility of Hyde. I am still kind of scratching my head over letting Casey Heyward go. I know that he suffered through injury his last two years in GB but when he was healthy he was great in the slot and had a very high instinct, not signing him was magnified when Shields went out. Depth is an issue and right now there is no one player that has demonstrated #1 corner capabilities and that need can't be met with a rookie acquired in the draft.

The Packers still need depth behind the often injured Matthews and Perry. Frackrell didn't show enough last year as a rookie, and Elliot is still a question mark. No new players were brought in so the expectation is going through the draft.

The defensive line is getting thinner with the suspension of Guion. Nothing addressed in free agency.

The offensive line took a hit with the loss of Lang and Tretter. So far nothing has been addressed in free agency.

The Packers lost Lacy to free agency, they currently have a legit depth chart of one player - Montgomery. At this point nothing has been done to address the need

The Packers did make a move to acquire two very solid tight ends. I am one of those people that think Bennett is a top 5 tight end in the league. So free agency seems to have filled a need

So the Packers have a lot of holes right now that are apparently going to be addressed in the draft. The Packers lost more than they have gained during free agency. Right now this off season isn't screaming "Super Bowl or Bust!!!!"

[Zool]

I can work my way through the Hayward piece. You have Shields. Randall had a decent rookie year. Rollins and Gunther would fight for the 3-4 spot. Hyde can play some slot. In August of 2016 that group actually looked like it could be a strength of the team. Shields goes down. Randall gets hurt. Rollins regressed. Now you have a shit show.

The OLB and OL losses are the ones that I thought might be replaced by free agents this year. You can have a rookie OLB/edge guy that plays well so maybe that's the hope.

[hoosier]

I would say about as expected. Lang leaving is the one thing that is probably going to hurt, but I wouldn't have wanted Ball to match Detroit's offer either. Bottom line is that this loss is survivable but we should be prepared to see lots of discontinuity on offense, at least early in the season. Fortunately, Packer fans have lots of experience with early season offensive dysfunction.

[Pugger]

One saving grace about losing Lang is Ted is adept at finding gems in later rounds so perhaps he'll find another one next month?

[gbgary]

Really? The #1 TE in FA (and likely Top 5-7 in NFL) signed counts as "nothing"?

nope...not really. cook was hungry for success and wanted to be here. Rodgers wanted him back. Bennett, although good, has lots of business distractions in his life, has a ring. i wonder how hungry he is now. to me the small talent difference is off-set by a question of "want to." so it's pretty much a wash. that was just tt covering his ass. but you know...offense wasn't what needed bolstering. it was the D and NOTHING has been done there to improve the team except bring in a back-up cb. the needs of the D are well known and back-up cb isn't one of them.

[hoosier]

Maybe, but how often are those middle round guys able to step in and play well right away? Bakh was the exception, and his first year was not free of bumps. Lang, Sitton, EDS, they were all backups for at least a year before becoming dependable contributors.

[hoosier]

nope...not really. cook was hungry for success and wanted to be here. Rodgers wanted him back. Bennett, although good, has lots of business distractions in his life, has a ring. i wonder how hungry he is now. to me the small talent difference is off-set by a question about "want to." so it's pretty much a wash. that was just tt covering his ass. but you know...offense wasn't what needed bolstering. it was the D and NOTHING has been done there to improve the team except bring in a back-up cb. the needs of the D are well known and back-up cb isn't one of them.

Cook may have "wanted" to be in GB but he reportedly declined an offer that was more generous than the one signed by Bennett. I agree that the difference between Cook and Bennett seems relatively small, but I don't think it's fair to say that TT dropped the ball on this one. It sounds like Cook was trying to break the bank.

[gbgary]

Maybe, but how often are those middle round guys able to step in and play well right away? Bakh was the exception, and his first year was not free of bumps. Lang, Sitton, EDS, they were all backups for at least a year before becoming dependable contributors.

yup. the o-line is weaker now.

[gbgary]

Cook may have "wanted" to be in GB but he reportedly declined an offer that was more generous than the one signed by Bennett. I agree that the difference between Cook and Bennett seems relatively small, but I don't think it's fair to say that TT dropped the ball on this one. It sounds like Cook was trying to break the bank.

that report was discredited days ago. tt didn't drop the ball...he had to sign bennett after cook's agent fucked up. as i said tt covered his ass with the bennett signing. he had no choice. he offered less than market for cook and ended up signing bennett for market...and we know how he hates to do that.

[Smidgeon]

nope...not really. cook was hungry for success and wanted to be here. Rodgers wanted him back. Bennett, although good, has lots of business distractions in his life, has a ring. i wonder how hungry he is now. to me the small talent difference is off-set by a question of "want to." so it's pretty much a wash. that was just tt covering his ass. but you know...offense wasn't what needed bolstering. it was the D and NOTHING has been done there to improve the team except bring in a back-up cb. the needs of the D are well known and back-up cb isn't one of them.

Contributions on the field are more applicable to actual success than fans' projections on "hunger for success".

2016
Name Rec Targ Rec% Yds Yd/Rec Long TDs Car TD Car Yr TD/Yr
Cook 30 51 58.8% 377 12.6 47 1 17 8 2.1
Kendricks 50 87 57.5% 499 10.0 44 2 17 6 2.8
Bennett 55 73 75.3% 701 12.7 58 7 30 9 3.3

Kendricks is basically the replacement for Cook, and he had Goff & company throwing to him. Bennett is the over and above.

I'm not disagreeing regarding your comments as it relates to the defense. But to completely ignore the TE signing as "TT doing NOTHING" indicates a certain level of blindness as it relates to what the Packers have brought in so far. Just because the signings weren't where we were hoping doesn't mean they did "nothing". They vastly updated their receiving core, and gave M3 something to work with he has never had in his entire tenure: 2 starting quality TEs.

And honestly, considering Lacy was injured most of last year and fat most of the previous year, I don't really see it as a downgrade that he was signed elsewhere. He wasn't exactly reliable these last two years. The G is a downgrade, but I'll wait to see if it's a tire fire before calling the fire department.

[gbgary]

i imagine if cook hadn't missed so many games his stats would be better but there was no doubt about his impact when he was healthy. bennett will be bennett. like i said...a wash basically. kendricks will get dickrod's 20 catches. lost lang (starter) and tretter (good depth) on the oline, lacy (good when healthy), hyde (serviceable guy who made plays). all minuses. the team has not improved at all through FA...to this point.

[hoosier]

that report was discredited days ago.

Where?

[gbgary]

Where?

packers-didnt-offer-jared-cook-more-than-martellus-bennett/ (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/03/11/source-packers-didnt-offer-jared-cook-more-than-martellus-bennett/)


Bennett received three-year, $21 million package, a “clean” $7 million per year arrangement with no incentives or fluff. (The contract eventually will be filed and reported on, so the truth on that specific claim eventually will come out.) The source also says that the most the Packers offered Cook was $6 million per year, and that included incentives.

The Packers, we’re told, made it clear to Bennett that they are loyal to the players who played for them, and they were candid about the intense effort invested in trying to get a deal done with Cook. That loyalty actually had a positive impact on Bennett, even though it delayed the team’s effort to pursue him — and potentially would have made an arrangement between Bennett and the Packers moot.

Ultimately, the Packers decided to pay more for the man they deemed to be better player, and to let Cook look for a better offer elsewhere.


Well so far La Canfora has been much more accurate than Demovsky or Wilde. At this point would not be surprised if the Cook offered more turned out to fizzle too.

Code:
CONTRACT:3 yr(s) / $21,000,000 SIGNING BONUS$6,300,000 AVERAGE SALARY $7,000,000
GUARANTEED:$7,200,000 FREE AGENT:2020 / UFA

YEAR BASE SALARY SIGNING BONUS ROSTER BONUS WORKOUT BONUS CAP HIT DEAD CAP
2017 $900,000 $2,100,000 $600,000 $250,000 $3,850,000 $7,200,000
2018 $3,600,000 $2,100,000 $2,600,000 $250,000 $8,550,000 $4,200,000
2019 $5,650,000 $2,100,000 $600,000 $250,000 $8,600,000 $2,100,000

[red]

yeah, that was cooks agent trying to make his client look more valuable to other teams

the story about the team offering cook more was shot down by the team within an hour or two of the story coming out

[red]

One saving grace about losing Lang is Ted is adept at finding gems in later rounds so perhaps he'll find another one next month?

hopefully, spriggs is ready to start, either at guard or RT and bulaga can stay healthy for the year and man the other spot not taken by spriggs

then hopefully TT can continue to find one of those mid rounds o-line gems to add some decent depth

we "might" be good to go for starters, but our depth is non existent right now, and between lindsly and bulaga, someone is gonna miss a lot of time

[hoosier]

packers-didnt-offer-jared-cook-more-than-martellus-bennett/ (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/03/11/source-packers-didnt-offer-jared-cook-more-than-martellus-bennett/)
Thanks

[gbgary]

Thanks

no prob.

[Rutnstrut]

hopefully, spriggs is ready to start, either at guard or RT and bulaga can stay healthy for the year and man the other spot not taken by spriggs

then hopefully TT can continue to find one of those mid rounds o-line gems to add some decent depth

we "might" be good to go for starters, but our depth is non existent right now, and between lindsly and bulaga, someone is gonna miss a lot of time

It'll be Bulaga that misses time, especially if they move him. Playing with the O-line is going to bite Ted in the ass. Hopefully Rodgers doesn't get hurt too bad when it happens.

[woodbuck27]

Ted Thompson may have upgraded at TE.

Ted Thompson had to be well aware of the potential losses to his Roster this FA. It's the losses he has suffered on the OL that is a certain concern. He has lost two core members of the OL that he had at the start of the 2016 season and the loss of Tretter hurts him badly in terms of depth.

None of the above is good in terms of any real success and the 2017 season. Aaron Rodgers has to be concerned. His legs better be in great shape.

Ted Thompson has decided he will somehow build on 'only having a former WR' at the RB position. I wish him luck there.

How has TT done with his Defense?

He did nothing at the DL position to compensate for the Letroy Guion Issue.

Ted has a weakened position now also at LBer. He lost a key Role player/Leader in Julius Peppers. He lost depth with Jones departure.

He lost M. Hyde and gained D. House in the Secondary.

Summoning it up. If anyone really even imagines that this has been a successful FA for Ted Thompson I would recommend you for 'the Die Hard Packer Fan' Award of the year. :???:

Ted Thompson has failed Aaron Rodgers and the Green Bay Packers 'miserably and miserly' this Free Agency and it is now time he retires.

[Bretsky]

We should probably be celebrating TT for signing an unrestricted free agent who was not cut. Per the NFL Network it's our first one in five years. And then we signed a 2nd one !

But to me bottom line is our roster of personnel is undoubtedly weaker before free agency started so I voted fail.

Many departures of decent players who were not replaced. Like always, our free agents leave and then re replenish them with young, cheaper players through the draft and hope they turn out. Seems like a great recipe to continue to be good, but not great.

People Bash on Elway (who has the same number of SB's than TT in many less years) and Hoody Genius (who seems to be a below average drafted).....but these are guys who on an annual basis make moves to put their team over the top.....trades and unrestricted free agenty....Demarcus Ware....Ward.....Hoody's got more moves than I can start counting.

I wish TT would do some of that.

[esoxx]

We should probably be celebrating TT for signing an unrestricted free agent who was not cut. Per the NFL Network it's our first one in five years. And then we signed a 2nd one !

But to me bottom line is our roster of personnel is undoubtedly weaker before free agency started so I voted fail.

Many departures of decent players who were not replaced. Like always, our free agents leave and then re replenish them with young, cheaper players through the draft and undrafted street free agents and hope they turn out. Seems like a great recipe to continue to be good with an all-time great QB , but not great.

People Bash on Elway (who has the same number of SB's than TT in many less years) and Hoody Genius (who seems to be a below average drafted).....but these are guys who on an annual basis make moves to put their team over the top.....trades and unrestricted free agenty....Demarcus Ware....Ward.....Hoody's got more moves than I can start counting.

I wish TT would do some of that.

FIFY

[red]

We should probably be celebrating TT for signing an unrestricted free agent who was not cut. Per the NFL Network it's our first one in five years. And then we signed a 2nd one !

But to me bottom line is our roster of personnel is undoubtedly weaker before free agency started so I voted fail.

Many departures of decent players who were not replaced. Like always, our free agents leave and then re replenish them with young, cheaper players through the draft and hope they turn out. Seems like a great recipe to continue to be good, but not great.

People Bash on Elway (who has the same number of SB's than TT in many less years) and Hoody Genius (who seems to be a below average drafted).....but these are guys who on an annual basis make moves to put their team over the top.....trades and unrestricted free agenty....Demarcus Ware....Ward.....Hoody's got more moves than I can start counting.

I wish TT would do some of that.

you mean like the 13 fucking rookies we started the season with last year on the final 53 man roster

6 of which were undrafted.

thats what happens when you don't have enough real talent to fill out a roster

[gbgary]

still an 'F' grade from me. team's no better than last year...so far.

[BZnDallas]

I just voted so-so. I hear where you're group is coming from Gary. But for me, an 'F' grade would be if we lost good-great players and weren't able to resign any replacements. A 'C' grade for me is losing some and gaining some. That's where I believe we are if we're just talking about this portion of Free Agency. An 'A' grade would obviously be to lose little and gain lots. No TT FA period is going to get that.

[gbgary]

ok...so Jean Francois takes pennel's place and may be an upgrade. FA grade improves to a D. team still hasn't improved over last year's...yet.

[Pugger]

ok...so Jean Francois takes pennel's place and may be an upgrade. FA grade improves to a D. team still hasn't improved over last year's...yet.

IMO Jean Francois might be an upgrade over Datone Jones more than Pennel.

[Bretsky]

To me if you voted success you think the teams better, so so would be about the same, and failure means your team is worst. We can't use money as an excuse. We have the ching. So we're debating about how it's being used and if our additions are greater than our losses. Degree of failure would depend on how much worst. If we were giving grades I'd also be in the D's as well; I think that's about the norm in GB

[gbgary]

still a D...so far.

[gbgary]

after the evans signing...STILL a D!

[gbgary]

Brooks signing improves it to a C.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Teddy made lots of moves, both coming and going. I give him an A because I am unqualified to evaluate quality, but like big portions.

[pbmax]

I am still with the Patler read that this season was not that much of an outlier for UFA signings as it was for total number of players leaving. I think Patler had it at 10 contributors who left.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I HATE HATE HATE all the player movement. It really takes a dent out of my interest. But I figure that's the game today, and Teddy is probably playing it right. The team was unbalanced last year, that much I could tell.

[gbgary]

Odom signing...very interesting move!! preseason defensive rookie mvp. lol
Dial signing...a definite upgrade over Ringo.

these bring it to a B...maybe B+ depending on Odom.

[Brandon494]

How the hell is it a failure? Smh

[gbgary]

How the hell is it a failure? Smh
be sure to note dates when posts were made. clearly it's not a failure now.

[Brandon494]

be sure to note dates when posts were made. clearly it's not a failure now.
Was going off votes but I see now

[woodbuck27]

I like what TT did in his FA acquisitions.

Is he growing?

[gbgary]

RJF cut...makes it a...B-.

[gbgary]

C- with the bennett cut

[bobblehead]

C- with the bennett cut

But it should raise his grade for every other year where we DON'T bring in guys like Bennet