MCGINN----Bennett and Kendricks Bring Toughness

[Bretsky]

http://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/mcginn/2017/03/19/mcginn-bennett-kendricks-bring-toughness/99380788/


good read

[Smidgeon]

Lang and Lacy were certifiable tough guys who played significant roles in the Packers’ important shift on offense from pure finesse to physical, or at least as physical as an offense can be with Mike McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers at the reins.

SOFT!

[pbmax]

Review of this kind of Bob McGinn breakdown: :roll:

[Teamcheez1]

SOFT!

SAWFT

[red]

i heard that you can't believe a damn word that mcginn types

[Bretsky]

i heard that you can't believe a damn word that mcginn types

Clearly Bob McGinn is Satan

[pbmax]

I believe most of Bob's reported material.

I do not believe most of Bob's conclusions. Remember, this is a man who was taught the only way he knows to develop a winning football team by Ron Wolf and one of his main conclusions is that you need a big running back and good running game to win in December at Lambeau.

[Bretsky]

I believe most of Bob's reported material.

I do not believe most of Bob's conclusions. Remember, this is a man who was taught the only way he knows to develop a winning football team by Ron Wolf and one of his main conclusions is that you need a big running back and good running game to win in December at Lambeau.


Once upon a time I defended Brett Favre's overall character in his dealings with GB
As more information came out I changed my mind about that and openly admit I was wrong

Often I think our judgment of McGinn does not give him that flexibility. Dude has won a ton of accolades as a sportswriter. Despite being hated by most in here he's good at what he does.

[Bretsky]

And back when Wolf was GM the game was different. The running game was valued much more than it is now. If you asked him if that was still the case in today's game I'd bet he'd note the game has changed and he no longer believes that to be the case.

[texaspackerbacker]

We are better off because the run game is not "valued" so much now. That being said, I'm coming around to the point of view that we are better off with the two new guys - even with just Bennett - than with Cook. Bennett's pass blocking mentioned in the article was impressive. Also, I didn't know he had basketball skills. And Kendricks I remember as a deep threat at Wisconsin, in addition to being a good blocker. The net effect of this is more flexibility in the passing game and possibly better run blocking, which I HOPE is used sparingly/as a change of pace with speed backs rather than plodders. I don't know if Kendrick has ever done much at fullback, but I really could see him lining up there occasionally, as Packer TEs often do. I also like Bennett's relatively high Wonderlic score, as one of Cook's weaknesses was mental lapses.

[Upnorth]

Between our 2 new te helping out the oline transition I think that the team must like what they saw in both Spriggs and Murphy, or I dont think TT would have let both Tretter and lang go.
If it was the DL evaluation I would be more concerned, but TT has proven efficent at drafting OL, plus rodgers helps the ol as well.

[Smidgeon]

My only problem with McGinn, is that he'll offer these backhanded comments (e.g. [McCarthy and Rodgers limit how tough the Packers can become]) and then does not support that comment at all in the article. The part I bolded should have been edited out of the article completely. It's just sloppy.

[Zool]

And back when Wolf was GM the game was different. The running game was valued much more than it is now. If you asked him if that was still the case in today's game I'd bet he'd note the game has changed and he no longer believes that to be the case.

No he actually still trots out the adage that you need to be able to run specifically in December. He's not good at changing with the times.

[pbmax]

No he actually still trots out the adage that you need to be able to run specifically in December. He's not good at changing with the times.

Exactly. He said this in relation to this years free agency proceedings. He wanted a big back too.

[bobblehead]

No he actually still trots out the adage that you need to be able to run specifically in December. He's not good at changing with the times.

You do need to be able to run. Once we were one dimensional, Atlanta pinned back the ears and had Rodgers scrambling for his life.

I think I've posted once or twice (or 100x) my preference for a TE who can actually..you know...block someone in the run game otherwise you have a glorified fat WR.

I know its just my pipe dream going on 5 years now, but I still am dreaming of taking advantage of the skill set we have on this team and going with no true RB, but having Monte or Cobb on the field with a Joe Mixon (yea, I went there, but he fits the role) mixed in. If the D doesn't honor the run, use those new TEs to crush it, wear them down and force them to honor it, then when they do, split the "RB" out wide with the TE inline, but upright and throw it.

Ellington would have fit that role, McCaffrey probably does, but Eddie certainly did not.

[pbmax]

You do need to be able to run. Once we were one dimensional, Atlanta pinned back the ears and had Rodgers scrambling for his life.

Bob isn't saying you need to run to balance out the threats to your passing attack. He wants a big back to succeed in the cold of Lambeau come December.

[hoosier]

A defense pinning its ears back wasn't the insurmountable problem. Packers ran the ball 23 and 15 times in the WC and Divisional games, and they didn't seem to have any issues protecting Rodgers in those games. While I have almost entirely suppressed any memory of the Atlanta game, I suspect the problems with leaky pass pro against Atlanta probably had more to do with key injuries than an offense become one-dimensional. After all, once Lacy went down McCarthy developed a very successful one-dimensional passing attack. I don't remember, did Atlanta do something to negate the quick breaking routes and was GB unable to find a counter?

[Zool]

You do need to be able to run. Once we were one dimensional, Atlanta pinned back the ears and had Rodgers scrambling for his life.

I think I've posted once or twice (or 100x) my preference for a TE who can actually..you know...block someone in the run game otherwise you have a glorified fat WR.

I know its just my pipe dream going on 5 years now, but I still am dreaming of taking advantage of the skill set we have on this team and going with no true RB, but having Monte or Cobb on the field with a Joe Mixon (yea, I went there, but he fits the role) mixed in. If the D doesn't honor the run, use those new TEs to crush it, wear them down and force them to honor it, then when they do, split the "RB" out wide with the TE inline, but upright and throw it.

Ellington would have fit that role, McCaffrey probably does, but Eddie certainly did not.

What PB said. He states that you need a big bruising back to have a chance to win in December. This came a couple months after Monty put up 180 against the Bears in December.

[esoxx]

No he actually still trots out the adage that you need to be able to run specifically in December. He's not good at changing with the times.

Neither is TT. He still thinks you can have a quality defense in this era of football using ILB's with pedestrian speed.

Who cares if McGinn changes with the times, he's just a journalist. He has no impact on what the team does. Unlike the GM.

Packers defense needs an injection of speed. Hopefully this draft will put some salve on that weeping sore.

[bobblehead]

Bob isn't saying you need to run to balance out the threats to your passing attack. He wants a big back to succeed in the cold of Lambeau come December.

I understand. What I disagree with is that it takes a big back. A good OL and a normal back will suffice. The problem with building a team around winning in Lambeau in December is that the superbowl is played in a warm area.

[texaspackerbacker]

I understand. What I disagree with is that it takes a big back. A good OL and a normal back will suffice. The problem with building a team around winning in Lambeau in December is that the superbowl is played in a warm area.

Not only suffice but better - give Montgomery or Michael or whatever speed back the same blocking that it takes to get a plodder like Lacy yardage, and the speed guy will get you a lot more yards. Miss blocks or get pushed back, and most everybody this side of Jim Brown will lose yardage.

And how long has it been since the turf was so frozen that it really affected things? I mean Ice Bowl bad.

[BZnDallas]

Neither is TT. He still thinks you can have a quality defense in this era of football using ILB's with pedestrian speed.

Who cares if McGinn changes with the times, he's just a journalist. He has no impact on what the team does. Unlike the GM.

Packers defense needs an injection of speed. Hopefully this draft will put some salve on that weeping sore.

Hopefully the loss of Hyde and Datone Jones will enhance our speed. Those guys were plodders. I definitely agree it'd be nice to get more speed on the D.

[pbmax]

Neither is TT. He still thinks you can have a quality defense in this era of football using ILB's with pedestrian speed.

Who cares if McGinn changes with the times, he's just a journalist. He has no impact on what the team does. Unlike the GM.

Packers defense needs an injection of speed. Hopefully this draft will put some salve on that weeping sore.

I dunno. Joe Thomas is on the roster and its not because he is a Guard destroyer. Same with Signing Chillar a long time ago.

Its not the point of emphasis that QB, CB or Tackle is.

But say if Shazier and Ha-Ha were available at the Packers pick that year, you don't think he at least considers Shazier?

[Bretsky]

I dunno. Joe Thomas is on the roster and its not because he is a Guard destroyer. Same with Signing Chillar a long time ago.

Its not the point of emphasis that QB, CB or Tackle is.

But say if Shazier and Ha-Ha were available at the Packers pick that year, you don't think he at least considers Shazier?

He would have drafted HaHa because TT reads us in here and never picks who I want....lol........ TJ WATT ANYBODY ????

[Bretsky]

Neither is TT. He still thinks you can have a quality defense in this era of football using ILB's with pedestrian speed.

Who cares if McGinn changes with the times, he's just a journalist. He has no impact on what the team does. Unlike the GM.

Packers defense needs an injection of speed. Hopefully this draft will put some salve on that weeping sore.


THIS

[3irty1]

He would have drafted HaHa because TT reads us in here and never picks who I want....lol........ TJ WATT ANYBODY ????

TJ Watt should sue you for Pat Leeifying him.