"PACKERS in PRIME POSITION TO TRADE DOWN IN DRAFT

[Bretsky]

http://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/draft/2017/04/22/packers-prime-position-trade-down-draft/100747700/

[red]

i think this is something we've all believed every year that the great white penny pincher has been GM

and thats what sucks about drafting towards the end every year, you sit around for 2 or 3 hours waiting for our pick, only for us to trade out of the first. night wasted

[pbmax]

i think this is something we've all believed every year that the great white penny pincher has been GM

and thats what sucks about drafting towards the end every year, you sit around for 2 or 3 hours waiting for our pick, only for us to trade out of the first. night wasted

red, get your glasses un-fogged. This is the weekly entry in "things that won't happen but make for a great headline because fans believe it happens all the time" from JSO.

To wit, the article self-refutes the headline in its first paragraph:


GREEN BAY - Just once in Ted Thompson’s 12 drafts for the Green Bay Packers has the general manager traded out of the first round.

[Joemailman]

If TT doesn't have a 1st round grade on Watt though, I think it could happen. (see mymock draft)

[pbmax]

If TT doesn't have a 1st round grade on Watt though, I think it could happen. (see mymock draft)

If it does happen, its because this draft, while very, very deep, has very few first round locks. Its not because of the Packers needs or position.

[Maxie the Taxi]

It's all perception, of course, but I see this draft as top heavy. Why wouldn't TT trade up? Go for quality instead of quantity. Get 4 or 5 first tier guys rather than 10 second tier.

[red]

red, get your glasses un-fogged. This is the weekly entry in "things that won't happen but make for a great headline because fans believe it happens all the time" from JSO.

To wit, the article self-refutes the headline in its first paragraph:

thats why i said it the way i did

every year we here that this could be a trade down year

[gbgary]

PACKERS in PRIME POSITION TO TRADE DOWN IN DRAFT

please no! if anything trade UP! get an impact starter. all-in!

[Brandon494]

I would love it if he does but don't see it happening.

[Brandon494]

please no! if anything trade UP! get an impact starter. all-in!

Nothing is guaranteed...we can take that 1st and turn it into a high 2nd and 3rd round and be able to pick up two quality cornerbacks in this draft.

[Brandon494]

I hate their videos btw, that guy looks horrible with a bald head...wear a hat!

[Guiness]

GREEN BAY - Just once in Ted Thompson’s 12 drafts for the Green Bay Packers has the general manager traded out of the first round.

And IIRC, that one time was the year they drafted Jordi. I'll accept that!

[red]

And IIRC, that one time was the year they drafted Jordi. I'll accept that!

yup, thats the one

sat around all day waiting for that pick, and the guys i wanted were there for the taking

luckily, it wasn't like it is today where you have to wait a whole day for round 2

[Joemailman]

please no! if anything trade UP! get an impact starter. all-in!

#5 A. J. Hawk
#9 B.J. Raji
#16 Justin Harrell

#24 Aaron Rodgers
#21 HHCD
#26 Clay Matthews

[Maxie the Taxi]

Trading up can also mean getting some extra #2's and #3's for your #4, #5's, #6 and #7, right?

[pbmax]

It's all perception, of course, but I see this draft as top heavy. Why wouldn't TT trade up? Go for quality instead of quantity. Get 4 or 5 first tier guys rather than 10 second tier.

I keep reading that outside of QB, there are 4-6 players who are definite first rounders. The QBs are not considered quality first round material.

I could be wrong, I have seen no one score this.

[Bretsky]

I got a kick out of this part...........but the answer is probably .....YES........


“You have to have an answer to be a championship-caliber team,” the personnel man said. “They have to attack some areas. Or you can just bank on (Aaron) Rodgers pulling (expletive) out of his (expletive). At some point that’s going to fail, right?”

[Smidgeon]

please no! if anything trade UP! get an impact starter. all-in!

And if TT trades three picks, trades up, takes the "sure thing", and he flops, you'd be roasting TT on a spit.

[gbgary]

And if TT trades three picks, trades up, takes the "sure thing", and he flops, you'd be roasting TT on a spit.

no. he's had plenty of flops already. all the gm's have. he needs to take a shot. i'm not saying he's got to go all the way up into the top 10 but move up 10 to #19 to get someone who he thinks can make a difference...yes!

[smuggler]

I think there's probably *interest* in trading down. The tiers of players above us (1st/2nd tier) are comprised of about 20ish players. The 3rd tier may be 20 players or so. We pick 29th. Therefore, we may be interested in moving back like 7-8 spots and still getting a tier 3 guy and picking up a later round pick as additional draft capital. Those are just my general feelings about the draft pool, though. I don't claim to understand what the Packer board looks like. And it also is dependent upon none of those higher tier guys falling to our spot at 29. If we have a tier 2 player there at a tier 3 pick, our asking price would probably be too steep if it's an area of primary or secondary need.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Hey, Smuggler, I like the way you think.

I've done mock drafts where Taco Charlton or Malik McDowell are still there at #29. If you're Ted, do you pick them?

And what if Dalvin Cook or Fornette slides to #29? Do you pick one of them?

I'm just curious. I think I'd take the defense guys but not the RB's, although I've watched Cook at Florida State for years and the guy is a weapon.

[Deputy Nutz]

Cleveland has two second round picks, but I doubt they would throw a #33 and a #52 to move up 3 spots. If they really need one of the top available quarterbacks and want to jump Pittsburgh I could maybe see it happen. It is Cleveland after all.

Carolina has two first round picks and if Thompson was to get two second round picks for his first round pick Carolina would make the most sense. The 29th for the 40th and 64th.

Expect if Thompson was to trade back it would be second round pick and either a third or a team sending a 2nd and two 4th. Washington could swing a second and two fourths, and so could Indianapolis

[Fritz]

I don't think this needs its own thread, but could Minnesota be interested in getting back into the end of the first round to take a QB, maybe by trading up from their spot in the middle of the second round, and giving up a third?

So how many posters who were moaning about how brilliant their Sam Bradford trade was last year still think so? That was the "all in" trade, no? Rolling the dice to go for the whole enchilada because they thought for sure they had the horses on defense, plus AP?

Time to pay the piper.

I wonder if Minny would rather have Sam Bradford coming back this year, with his injury history and shortcomings displayed last year, or the #14 overall pick they no longer own?

[Deputy Nutz]

I think Minnesota should think about trading up to the first round, but it ain't gonna be with the Packers

[run pMc]

There's (allegedly) plenty of CB's and RB's and decent OLB depth, so I'm in the camp that would be ok trading back 10 spots for an extra swing or two at the plate. He's found decent players at OL, for example, in the mid rounds.
I don't think there's enough ammo to trade up high enough room #29 to get a difference maker and have much left. They have too many gaps to plug via draft IMO, and who would you take at #8 (for example) anyway?

[Maxie the Taxi]

There's (allegedly) plenty of CB's and RB's and decent OLB depth, so I'm in the camp that would be ok trading back 10 spots for an extra swing or two at the plate. He's found decent players at OL, for example, in the mid rounds.
I don't think there's enough ammo to trade up high enough room #29 to get a difference maker and have much left. They have too many gaps to plug via draft IMO, and who would you take at #8 (for example) anyway?The consensus best corner in the draft: Marshon Lattimore. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/marshon-lattimore?id=2558061


Bottom Line Average-sized, one-year starter with explosive athleticism and a loaded tool box. He has the feet, hips and agility to be a lockdown cornerback and the ball skills to make teams pay for looking in his direction. His lack of experience could show up early, but he has the confidence and competitive nature that should help him overcome those issues. He has the ability to become a Pro Bowl cornerback early in his career.

[texaspackerbacker]

If Lattimore is that highly thought of, he probably will be long gone by the time we draft. Besides, as much as I love the Big Ten, I'm not that fired up about getting an Ohio State player. Teams with great team D tend to have their individual players seem better than they are. I kinda like Desmond King of Iowa - a guy who didn't have quite so much talent around him.

[Deputy Nutz]

King is moving to Safety. He could be nickel guy, but I wouldn't put more of a second round grade on him. He would be a plus addition to the Packers secondary. I think I had 1st round grades on 5 or 6 guys at cornerback after watching some film. That's why I would support a move down in the draft. The edge rushers and cornerback position is deep and so is the front end of the running back pool.

Corners 1st round possibilities
Marshon Lattimore
Gareon Conley
Kevin King
Chidobe Awuzie
Adoree Jackson
Tre'Davious White
Marlon Humphrey

[bobblehead]

I think there's probably *interest* in trading down. The tiers of players above us (1st/2nd tier) are comprised of about 20ish players. The 3rd tier may be 20 players or so. We pick 29th. Therefore, we may be interested in moving back like 7-8 spots and still getting a tier 3 guy and picking up a later round pick as additional draft capital. Those are just my general feelings about the draft pool, though. I don't claim to understand what the Packer board looks like. And it also is dependent upon none of those higher tier guys falling to our spot at 29. If we have a tier 2 player there at a tier 3 pick, our asking price would probably be too steep if it's an area of primary or secondary need.

But...by your logic, if your board is 15% different than other GM's then you very well might land one of those 20 players sitting at 29.

[bobblehead]

I think Minnesota should think about trading up to the first round, but it ain't gonna be with the Packers

ah...the famous oxymoron of doubling down on all in.