Official 2017 1st Round Of The NFL Draft Thread

[Deputy Nutz]

I don't share your man love for King

I think he is a pussy

[ND72]

I don't share your man love for King

Supposedly Thompson does have man love for King. I guess he's either been at or met with King 5-6 times since the combine. Rumor today even he wanted to get ahead of seattle to take him because he believes seattle will take King.

[BZnDallas]

I think he is a pussy

I've heard that about Conley. Doesn't like contact.

[Joemailman]

Would TT take Cook?

[gbgary]

cle...peppers

[Bretsky]

sure they give highlights against the WI Badger WR's

Most of posters in Packerrats could cover the Badger WR's...lol

[Bretsky]

Would TT take Cook?

I think he would

[Joemailman]

Browns take a QB?

[Bretsky]

cle...peppers

Please don' post GB's pick early

I want to be able to swear at the TV when I see it

[King Friday]

Wow...we have a real chance to land either Cook or Foster. Can't be upset with that.

[Joemailman]

Jabrill Peppers - S - Michigan

ANALYSIS

STRENGTHS Athletic and fluid in space with desired change of direction talent. Moves with the changing flow of a play. Willing to sacrifice body to honor contain against run. Jack of all trades. Can play slot, safety or linebacker in sub-packages in any given game. Won't hesitate to race downhill once he diagnoses run. Hits with as much force as he can muster. Has big closing burst. Runs plays down from sideline to sideline. Able to knife into gaps and make tackles for losses or disrupt runs. Has man cover talent and is physical enough to handle most tight ends. Has enough quickness to match receivers. Aggressively re-routes receivers. Capable blitzer who buzzes in from all angles. Electric return man with ability to charge up crowd and his own sideline with big kick or punt return. Has experience carrying and catching the ball and as wildcat quarterback. Could offer red-zone flexibility on offense.

WEAKNESSES Scouts question his instincts and lack of ball production. Has just one interception and 10 passes defensed at Michigan. Slow to recognize construct of play and can be found playing through a straw at times. Needs better recognition and anticipation to become an improvising play-maker. Doesn't always trust his feet in coverage and will maul at the top of the route. Just a guy when asked to play deep safety. Slow to read and range until ball is in the air. Can be overzealous against play-action and drawn below his deep ball responsibilities. Too small for take-on duties at linebacker. Leads into tackles with ducked head. Opts to hit rather than wrap-up.

DRAFT PROJECTION Round 1-2

SOURCES TELL US "These comparisons to Charles Woodson are nuts. Both are really good return men, but Woody is one of the greatest playmakers of all-time. Peppers has one interception and I don't think he's ever forced a fumble. Michigan might move him around too much. He will really improve when he can lock in and learn a position." -- AFC Director of Scouting

NFL COMPARISON Eric Weddle

BOTTOM LINE The ultimate Swiss Army Knife on the collegiate level, and will likely play a hybrid role on the next level that allows him to blitz, cover and chase, Peppers' draft value will be helped by his return ability and that is a role he should maintain throughout the earlier stages of his career. While Peppers doesn't have the production teams expect from first-round defenders, he should benefit from a role that is more clearly defined on the next level.

[Deputy Nutz]

cle...peppers

Hey can you stop? What's the fuck is the point it's not like you are smarter than the rest of us because you post before ESPN

[Deputy Nutz]

Packers are not going to take Foster.

[King Friday]

Browns being the Browns...two defensive players, neither can play every down on defense.

[Bretsky]

COOK
FOSTER
MCKINLEY
WATT
KING

[yetisnowman]

I would be happy with Foster, Cunningham, King, or Cook.
Come on TT make it happen!

[Bretsky]

SEATTLE TRADES TO ATLANTA...............WHAT DO THE FALCONS WANT TO JUMP GB ??

FOSTER ???????

[Deputy Nutz]

Another trade

[wist43]

I don't share your man love for King


I think he is a pussy

Yes, I love pussy... particularly asian :)

[Joemailman]

Atlanta on the clock.

[Bretsky]

I would be happy with Foster, Cunningham, King, or Cook.
Come on TT make it happen!

I'd substitute McKinley and Watt for Cunningham and King

[King Friday]

Atlanta needs DBs

[wist43]

I would be happy with Foster, Cunningham, King, or Cook.
Come on TT make it happen!

I like all those guys

[gbgary]

pack should move ahead of dal

[Bretsky]

DAM..........I thought that was who Ted was going to select

Fuck you Atlanta

[Deputy Nutz]

Takk would have been a hell of a pick for the Packers

[Bretsky]

pack should move ahead of dal

Pack should move down; they have too many holes to give picks up

[Joemailman]

Takkarist McKinley - DE - UCLA

ANALYSIS

STRENGTHS Relentless worker bee on the field. Refuses to give offensive tackles a snap to catch their breath. Not a content player and is always charging towards the ball. Plus closing burst to sideline enables contain. Makes as many effort plays as anyone in the Pac 12. Unusually adept at bouncing off of blocks and maintaining play focus. Good stop/start change of direction talent. Long strides eat up ground in space. Scouts expect a strong forty time at combine. Combines speed with long arms for increased tackle radius. Became a playmaker. Saw 36 percent of his tackles come within two yards or less of line of scrimmage while sack total spiked considerably. Spins out of wash down blocks to work back towards the play. Consistently stuffs cut attempts. Raw, but pass rush flashes some speed to power. Pass rush counters fueled by lateral agility and effort.

WEAKNESSES Hand skill and overall usage is completely uncultivated and impedes pass rush potential. Lacks slaps, swipes and a serviceable rip move to grease the edge as a rusher. Punch has very little force. Needs to get hands and feet need in unison. Long arms are irrelevant at times due to slow punch. Lacks bend around the edge. Upright pass rush allows tackles to flatten him up and over the rush arc with just an average punch. Movements are a little bit stiff. Redirected too easily. Needs to continue to add play strength. Success predicated on effort over rush talent and functional power. Needs to combine all three elements to his game.

DRAFT PROJECTION Round 1

SOURCES TELL US "He was my sleeper headed into the season, but that went out the window with the season he had this year. I think he's a second rounder who needs time but he'll probably get overdrafted. He's going to be a productive pro." - AFC area scout

NFL COMPARISON Tamba Hali

BOTTOM LINE Ascending edge prospect who racked up impressive TFL and sack numbers this year despite a relatively raw approach and skill set. He's a little stiff in his lower body, but flashes good athleticism once the ball is snapped. McKinley's motor is a translatable characteristic, but improved hand usage and pass rush mechanics are what could elevate his game to another level as a starting, 3-4 outside linebacker.

[Bretsky]

Takk would have been a hell of a pick for the Packers

YUP.........

[Joemailman]

Bills are up.

[gbgary]

buf...white

[pittstang5]

Calm down there rookie...geez

[Bretsky]

then again..dangle a 5th to move ahead of Dallas if you want Foster

[red]

guy trying out for the WWE

[esoxx]

Wow Takk, get a grip bro. Loose cannon

[red]

Takk would have been a hell of a pick for the Packers

yup, an insane idiot

[Deputy Nutz]

buf...white

Can you stop? We are watching it on ESPN or NFL Net. I would like to watch the picks live without you fucking it up

[Deputy Nutz]

yup, an insane idiot

He doesn't sound like an idiot

[Bretsky]

Can you stop? We are watching it on ESPN or NFL Net. I would like to watch the picks live without you fucking it up

either this or we need to log out of Packerrats and just watch it

[King Friday]

Takk is a good prospect...not sure I put him significantly higher than Watt as a pass rusher.

[gbgary]

dal...taco

[RashanGary]

I was hoping for takk. Watt seems unimpressive to me. I've only watched a few guys this year, but I like Tim Williams and Joe Mixon at this point if not for the character......

Might be a tt surprise this year.

[gbgary]

lol

[Deputy Nutz]

Fuck you Gary. You fuck hole, knock it the fuck off.

[pittstang5]

FUCK!! I stayed up for a trade!!!!

[Bretsky]

TJ Watt
FOSTER
COOK
TRADE DOWN


my wishlist

[red]

and we trade out of the first

wait around for over 3 fucking hours for nothing

and all we picked up was a fucking 4th

fucking TT can blow my ass

[wist43]

Ted's pick is going to be WHO???!!!, LOL

[Bretsky]

Fuck you Gary. You fuck hole, knock it the fuck off.

I am logging out of Packerrats and enjoying the draft on TV

See ya all

[pittstang5]

a 4th????? That's it. Damn it!!

[Deputy Nutz]

Thompson likes his 4th round picks

[Joemailman]

Browns have Packers pick.

[wist43]

I am logging out of Packerrats and enjoying the draft on TV

See ya all

ciao

[Packgator]

Who do teams want to trade up for? Foster?

[yetisnowman]

Just what we needed less talented players, just more of them. God fucking dammit.

[red]

we got taken by the fucking browns

[King Friday]

Thompson likes his 4th round picks

Probably good...I don't like most of Ted's first round picks, especially recently.

[Joemailman]

and we trade out of the first

wait around for over 3 fucking hours for nothing

and all we picked up was a fucking 4th

fucking TT can blow my ass

It's a good move. He only trades down 4 spots and gets the 1st pick of the 4th round.

[Packgator]

Where are these trade details coming from?

[RashanGary]

We only dropped four spots. I'm sure they had 4 guys all rated the same so we'll get same quality with an extra pick to boot

[Deputy Nutz]

Cleveland taking who? QB?

[MadScientist]

Shit, now we have to wait a whole day to bitch about the bad pick Ted made.

[red]

Where are these trade details coming from?

it was announced on NFL network

[gbgary]

cle...njoku

[Joemailman]

We only dropped four spots. I'm sure they had 4 guys all rated the same so we'll get same quality with an extra pick to boot

Exactly right. This is a great move.

[RashanGary]

Disappointing tho cuz i was excited to get a player now

[Packgator]

Drop just 4 picks. I'm OK with that. Have the first pick on Saturday.

[red]

Cleveland taking who? QB?

nothing worth taking left

kaaya is the next best QB and as a hurricanes fan, i can tell you he sucks

[Deputy Nutz]

Let the Elliot Wolf era begin!!!

[King Friday]

Exactly right. This is a great move.

We all know tightwad Ted just wanted to avoid the $$$ from a first round deal.

[Packgator]

Pack picks first next 2 days?

[Deputy Nutz]

nothing worth taking left

kaaya is the next best QB and as a hurricanes fan, i can tell you he sucks

Kizer from ND.

[MadScientist]

Cleveland taking who? QB?

Why not, it's not a real draft if Cleveland doesn't trade up to get a QB bust in the first round.

[King Friday]

Pack picks first next 2 days?

Until we trade down yet again.

[pittstang5]

We only dropped four spots. I'm sure they had 4 guys all rated the same so we'll get same quality with an extra pick to boot

True, but I don't want to wait till tomorrow night.

[yetisnowman]

cle...njoku

Do you enjoy ruining the surprise for all of us? Are you one of those douchebags that spoils movies and shows endings before people that see them? Seriously go fuck yourself.

[Packgator]

I like having tonight and all day tomorrow to figure out what's best.

[King Friday]

The Browns had a chance to nab a QB...they appear to be loading up the barn elsewhere. Smoking Jay Cutler is always available.

[Deputy Nutz]

Do you enjoy ruining the surprise for all of us? Are you one of those douchebags that spoils movies and shows endings before people that see them? Seriously go fuck yourself.
You know what sucks? When you decide to block the fucker and someone quotes him and ruins it for you anyways.

[gbgary]

Do you enjoy ruining the surprise for all of us? Are you one of those douchebags that spoils movies and shows endings before people that see them? Seriously go fuck yourself.

you're the first person to complain. my bad.

[yetisnowman]

You know what sucks? When you decide to block the fucker and someone quotes him and ruins it for you anyways.

Sorry didn't mean to quote, just reply. Sorry

[Maxie the Taxi]

Trade means Pack will choose a RB with first pick in the 2nd rnd? Three teams ahead of them don't need a RB.

[pbmax]

you're the first person to complain. my bad.

No, c'mon. I like the spoilers. I used to post them.

If you don't want them, block Gary for three days.

And no one quote Gary.

[Deputy Nutz]

I like DeMarcus Walker, but I wouldn't have him number 8 on my current Big Board

[yetisnowman]

you're the first person to complain. my bad.

No I'm not. And why would you need someone to complain for you to understand people don't want to know the picks 5 minutes ahead of the TV broadcast every time. Common sense man come on.

[pbmax]

Trade means Pack will choose a RB with first pick in the 2nd rnd? Three teams ahead of them don't need a RB.

If you want one of the problem children (Mixon, Rueben, Dalvin) it ceases to be the huge headline in the second round.

[Deputy Nutz]

Reuben Foster has to go to Pitt

[gbgary]

No, c'mon. I like the spoilers. I used to post them.

If you don't want them, block Gary for three days.

And no one quote Gary.

if someone had said something sooner I would have stopped. I'm done. sorry folks.

[pbmax]

No I'm not. And why would you need someone to complain for you to understand people don't want to know the picks 5 minutes ahead of the TV broadcast every time. Common sense man come on.

There are literally millions of people following the leakers on Twitter. Gary and I aren't the only ones.

Block him and we will ask no one to quote him.

I want to see them.

[pbmax]

Damn. Franco Harris.

Bet every Steeler fan I knew the he wouldn't break Jim Brown's record. Barely made it.

[esoxx]

What is Gabe Kaplan doing up there on the stage?

[Deputy Nutz]

I fucking hate Franco Harris

[Maxie the Taxi]

If you want one of the problem children (Mixon, Rueben, Dalvin) it ceases to be the huge headline in the second round.Don't forget Kamara, not a problem child but I heard the pack was interested.

[Joemailman]

Steelers gonna take Watt?

[Bretsky]

There are literally millions of people following the leakers on Twitter. Gary and I aren't the only ones.

Block him and we will ask no one to quote him.

I want to see them.

How do I block somebody ? I'm with Nuts and others. I like hearing the picks live.

Come on PITT............DRAFT KEVIN KING !!!!!

[pbmax]

I fucking hate Franco Harris

I did too, but why for you?

I hated the Steelers.

[Bretsky]

Steelers gonna take Watt?

NOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Deputy Nutz]

There are literally millions of people following the leakers on Twitter. Gary and I aren't the only ones.

Block him and we will ask no one to quote him.

I want to see them.

I ignored him, the problem was a bunch of us asked him to stop and he was too self absorbed to even see the posts asking him to stop

[Deputy Nutz]

I did too, but why for you?

I hated the Steelers.

I just thought he played the game soft. He would have rather run out of bounce than to deliver a hit

[Bretsky]

FUCKKERRSSSS

[pbmax]

How do I block somebody ? I'm with Nuts and others. I like hearing the picks live.

Come on PITT............DRAFT KEVIN KING !!!!!

Upper right of screen, click Settings.

Bottom left, under My Account, click Edit Ignore List.

Add Gary. But he has said he is stopping now that he saw the number of complaints.

[Deputy Nutz]

NOOOOOOOOOOOO

Yep. Way to trade back Ted. Even this morning I was luke warm on him but I watched a couple of tapes on him in the afternoon and I warmed up considerably to him as I think he has a really high ceiling. Pittsburgh is going to be a great landing spot for him

[esoxx]

I fucking hate Franco Harris

Same here.

[pbmax]

Don't forget Kamara, not a problem child but I heard the pack was interested.

Could be, but I bet Ted traded back because he has 10 guys ranked the same in at the end of the first and beginning of the second round.

[King Friday]

Watt is going to be a very good player for the Steelers.

[yetisnowman]

There are literally millions of people following the leakers on Twitter. Gary and I aren't the only ones.

Block him and we will ask no one to quote him.

I want to see them.

If you want to see them, then follow the leakers and talk with other people on Twitter that follow the leakers. You know basically everyone in this forum is watching the TV broadcast. They are called spoilers because they spoil things for people. It's sad I have to block people because they get joy out of ruining surprises for people. But I guess I have to.

[Bretsky]

OK...now I'd like Ruben Foster or Dalvin Cook
or another trade down

Fucking Pittsburg got a great player

My list of Round 1 Edge Rushers if f'cked

[RashanGary]

Bretsky is gonna lose it!

[Guiness]

Pack picks first next 2 days?

This - I like the trade - out of the first round in name only, and he gets the benefit of having the night to pour over what's left. And again before the third day of the draft.

This trade seems to have been made at the last minute, I wouldn't be surprised if someone nabbed the player he wanted so he got out.

[esoxx]

Big kick in the nut sack with Pitt taking Watt with next pick. Fucking A

[pbmax]

Same here.

Let me just say that 15 year old me would have liked to know this, because everyone mouth breather in Pennsylvania at the time was a Steeler homer.

Bunch of bandwagoning eastern Pennsylvania Eagles fans were the worst.

[texaspackerbacker]

I'm a little bit disappointed we didn't get T. J. Watt, but there's some chance he's overrated because of his brother too. Just don't go and take an RB with that 2nd round #1 pick.

[Guiness]

Heh - Seattle just made the exact same trade the Packers did, getting the 2nd pick of the same two rounds.

[pbmax]

What corners are left?

[Bretsky]

OK...now I'd like Ruben Foster or Dalvin Cook
or another trade down

Fucking Pittsburg got a great player

My list of Round 1 Edge Rushers if f'cked



HEY TED...........CAN WE HAVE A DO OVER ?????????????

[Deputy Nutz]

WOW Seattle and 49ers trade and 49ers get Frosters

[esoxx]

Ruebon Foster is a bad mothafucker

[Bretsky]

What corners are left?

BOB MCGINN'S GUY

[Bretsky]

Ruebon Foster is a bad mothafucker

yup........he's a Wayne Simmons type; probably too tough for our D

[pbmax]

If you want to see them, then follow the leakers and talk with other people on Twitter that follow the leakers. You know basically everyone in this forum is watching the TV broadcast. They are called spoilers because they spoil things for people. It's sad I have to block people because they get joy out of ruining surprises for people. But I guess I have to.

He wasn't doing it to spoil it for you. We have posted them as soon as we heard for the last several years.

We used to share tips on who had the earliest information. That is the way the first round has been for a few years now.

[Deputy Nutz]

What the fuck is a "Froster"?

[gbgary]

so we lost a shot at watt or foster.

[Bretsky]

CONGRADS TO RAMCZYK..........................Great player for the Badgers last year

[Deputy Nutz]

Good for Ramczyk!!!!

[Joemailman]

BOB MCGINN'S GUY

Yep. I'm guessing Kevin King will be the pick.

[pbmax]

Ryan is a good kid. I am in his hometown quite a bit. Almost as proud of him there as of Joe Pavelski.

[pittstang5]

well this was fun....SMH. going to bed.

[RashanGary]

Media getting better.... no surprises on first round.

[Bretsky]

so we lost a shot at watt or foster.


Yup; I think we let the last elite Edge Rusher go off the board as well as a top ten talent at ILB who can play all three downs.

[Maxie the Taxi]

TT wanted White or McKinley. When they went, he traded.

[Zool]

Maybe use the extra 4th to move back up to the upper part of the second and get 2 guys rated near the same.

[Deputy Nutz]

obviously Thompson is going Corner, OL, or RB

[Deputy Nutz]

TT wanted White or McKinley. When they went, he traded.

Very wise observation

[pbmax]

What the fuck is a "Froster"?

Its an Australian Lager.

[yetisnowman]

He wasn't doing it to spoil it for you. We have posted them as soon as we heard for the last several years.

We used to share tips on who had the earliest information. That is the way the first round has been for a few years now.

But you know that it ruins the surprise for most of the people that are watching the draft live. That may not be why you have done it, but you are ok with that. And sorry that's sort of lame. Just warn me now, should I block you til sunday?

[Deputy Nutz]

Its an Australian Lager.

Well now he is playing for the 49ers

[Bretsky]

GB should trade down again; they just let some Great Packers slip away

[Deputy Nutz]

Well I got 27 out of 33 draftees in the first round and got 3 selections correct. Incredibly unpredictable the way this first round played out

[Guiness]

Yup; I think we let the last elite Edge Rusher go off the board as well as a top ten talent at ILB who can play all three downs.

Foster will be interesting to watch for sure. Comparison to Wayne Simmons seems apt! Is this guy going to be a character concern? He's been a bystander for a lot of shit.

[Bretsky]

TT wanted White or McKinley. When they went, he traded.

might be; I do think he wanted McKinley......

I liked White way more than King who we might be stuck with now due to TT's guys from two years ago underperforming

[smuggler]

I agree. Top players do not suit us. Malik McDowell is a very Packers pick though

[yetisnowman]

Packers must have really been turned off by the combine fiasco. Foster was a top 10 talent at a position of need.

[Bretsky]

Foster will be interesting to watch for sure. Comparison to Wayne Simmons seems apt! Is this guy going to be a character concern? He's been a bystander for a lot of shit.

I think he IS a character risk for sure; he's a top 10 or so talent. But a bad guy.

[Bretsky]

Packers must have really been turned off by the combine fiasco. Foster was a top 10 talent at a position of need.

OR

Wist is right and Ted Thompson just does not value Inside Linebackers

[pbmax]

But you know that it ruins the surprise for most of the people that are watching the draft live. That may not be why you have done it, but you are ok with that. And sorry that's sort of lame. Just warn me now, should I block you til sunday?

Probably not. I am on the road and will be intermittently on here.

Honestly, this is the first time people have complained that I recall and I pay attention. Most of our experience was that people are tired of waiting between the time expiring on the clock and Roger to head out to announce it. There can be 10-15 minute delays.

It also helps Joe and formerly Lurker64 to post the player summaries in orderly fashion.

[Joemailman]

TT has never drafted a character risk in the 1st round.

[Deputy Nutz]

Ok he freaked out on a hospital worker, and had tainted piss. I wouldn't call him a bad guy. A dude that cold cocks a woman is a bad guy. I think it has more to do with Thompson not being interested in a capable middle linebacker. I think AJ Hawk sort of burned him, AJ was a weakside backer in a 4-3 but I think taking him 5th over all and never producing like a first round pick has spoiled TT on first round Linebackers that are not pass rushers

[pbmax]

Am I wrong that Jon Gruden is making things up about Andy Reid and Favre?

Reid became QB coach in 1997, after 3 MVP seasons from Favre. He was an assistant line coach and then the TE coach during those years. He is screwing over the memory of Steve Mariucci!

Gruden also never coached Favre, leaving for Philly in 1995.

I think he has gritted his teeth once too many times.

[Deputy Nutz]

Favre pays a lot tribute to Andy Reid.

[pbmax]

Favre pays a lot tribute to Andy Reid.

Yeah, but it was all post NFL success. Unless there was coaching I was unaware of outside of normal practice and meetings.

[jmbarnes101]

Why do I have this feeling that we're taking Mixon in the 2nd round? I've heard rumbling TT is interested and taking him in the first would not be advisable. In a normal, non punchout world, he's being taken with Fournette and McCaffrey at the top of the draft. It would surprise me but it could be a home run in the second round.

[Deputy Nutz]

The Packers could take Cook and not have to worry about the Mixon nonsense.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Top rated OT, top rated OG, Dalvin Cook, Joe Mixon, Alvin Kamara and Tim Williams available, plus McDowell. TT might not get a lot of sleep tonight trying to engineer another pick or two in the second round.

[Deputy Nutz]

Yeah, but it was all post NFL success. Unless there was coaching I was unaware of outside of normal practice and meetings.

Favre said that Andy ran a lot of interference for Favre when dealing with Holmgren

[Bretsky]

RANDOM THOGHTS

KUDOS TO CLEVELAND- They are a few years away from winning Don't reach for a QB; build up your team this year. Sounds like next yr the QB class will be very strong. Get one then

KUDOS to JJ WATT - Dude was undoubtedly a First Round Talent. Going to Pittsburg in a defense that fits him perfectly will allow him to grow and give him just as good a chance to win the Super Bowl as he'd have had if TTT would have picked him.

KUDOS to San Fran- The Foster Pick.....your GM had stones. Got elite talent at end of round one. A good gamble at that spot

KUDOS TO RYAN RAMCZYK--Dude deserved to be a first round draft pick- Great Badger

[pbmax]

The Packers could take Cook and not have to worry about the Mixon nonsense.

Cook has even more non-sense in his background. He has like five police called incidents since he was a junior in HS.

[smuggler]

Ok he freaked out on a hospital worker, and had tainted piss. I wouldn't call him a bad guy. A dude that cold cocks a woman is a bad guy. I think it has more to do with Thompson not being interested in a capable middle linebacker. I think AJ Hawk sort of burned him, AJ was a weakside backer in a 4-3 but I think taking him 5th over all and never producing like a first round pick has spoiled TT on first round Linebackers that are not pass rushers

You don't know what a cold-cock is if you watched the video. It was a brick throw. Calling it a cold-cock is like saying he's innocent on account of how fucking retarded she was.

[pbmax]

Be careful of praising Steelers and Watt:

Almost all their best OLBs were later round picks (Green was trade or FA). Since they have been looking for pass rush early in the draft, they have struck out.

Despite several first round EDGE draftees, their best guy is still James Harrison.

They draft that position like the Cowboys draft. Biggest name from bigger programs.

[jklowan]

In TT presser he said they are taking calls on the 1st 2nd rounder, I think we trade down again - fu ck the wait sucks

[gbgary]

GB should trade down again; they just let some Great Packers slip away

yup. who knows how much "meat" they can accumulate for the roster. lol

[pbmax]

Why do I have this feeling that we're taking Mixon in the 2nd round? I've heard rumbling TT is interested and taking him in the first would not be advisable. In a normal, non punchout world, he's being taken with Fournette and McCaffrey at the top of the draft. It would surprise me but it could be a home run in the second round.

Its possible. But I have a hard time imagining that Ted sees that position as high a priority as EDGE and CB.

[pbmax]

In TT presser he said they are taking calls on the 1st 2nd rounder, I think we trade down again - fu ck the wait sucks

Did he really? :lol:

[Bretsky]

Top rated OT, top rated OG, Dalvin Cook, Joe Mixon, Alvin Kamara and Tim Williams available, plus McDowell. TT might not get a lot of sleep tonight trying to engineer another pick or two in the second round.

Hard to call somebody the top OT when he didn't cut round one and 2 are already gone

We do have the 6th best CB available, the top OG, and a RB or two with loads of talent. I need to read up more on Tim Williams

[pbmax]

Favre said that Andy ran a lot of interference for Favre when dealing with Holmgren

OK. Thought that was Mooch, but maybe Andy helped out.

[Carolina_Packer]

Some people like Vince Biegel's chances as an rush LB as much as Watt. I read where some scouts like Biegel more. There are other names for edge guys and corners.

If they like King as it is rumored, then that helps the secondary. You draft someone like Biegel who takes a back seat in press clippings to Watt, but may have his own success, and as for RB, there are many more good prospects, including Cook. It would also not surprise me if he picked Joe Mixon with his first pick, assuming he's comfortable doing so.

http://lombardiave.com/2017/02/04/2017-nfl-draft-top-10-edge-film-grade/

[Maxie the Taxi]

Hard to call somebody the top OT when he didn't cut round one and 2 are already gone

We do have the 6th best CB available, the top OG, and a RB or two with loads of talent. I need to read up more on Tim WilliamsI'm going by Mayock's ratings. You're right, though.

[Bretsky]

Its possible. But I have a hard time imagining that Ted sees that position as high a priority as EDGE and CB.

We're left with the 6th best CB and second tier on edge rushers.
This screams trade down unless we go RB

And if we like Mixon he might be there a while

[smuggler]

Having the first pick in the 2nd round is actually pretty prime position for a trade. Some team will talk themselves into a player and make Green Bay an offer. I wouldn't trade back more than, say, 6-8 spots though.

[Bretsky]

NFL NETWORK reporting GB is fielding a lot of calls right now

[Bretsky]

Some people like Vince Biegel's chances as an rush LB as much as Watt. I read where some scouts like Biegel more. There are other names for edge guys and corners.

If they like King as it is rumored, then that helps the secondary. You draft someone like Biegel who takes a back seat in press clippings to Watt, but may have his own success, and as for RB, there are many more good prospects, including Cook. It would also not surprise me if he picked Joe Mixon with his first pick, assuming he's comfortable doing so.

http://lombardiave.com/2017/02/04/2017-nfl-draft-top-10-edge-film-grade/



Biegel has talent....ok in round three....but the scouts who like him more than Watt should be fired. I do like him though

[smuggler]

There are sometimes players drafted in round 3 who perform better than their round 1 counterparts. :roll:

[jmbarnes101]

Some people like Vince Biegel's chances as an rush LB as much as Watt. I read where some scouts like Biegel more. There are other names for edge guys and corners.

If they like King as it is rumored, then that helps the secondary. You draft someone like Biegel who takes a back seat in press clippings to Watt, but may have his own success, and as for RB, there are many more good prospects, including Cook. It would also not surprise me if he picked Joe Mixon with his first pick, assuming he's comfortable doing so.

http://lombardiave.com/2017/02/04/2017-nfl-draft-top-10-edge-film-grade/

I'm not sold on King but I'd certainly be ok with Biegel with that second 2nd round pick.

[pbmax]

Cook has even more non-sense in his background. He has like five police called incidents since he was a junior in HS.


1. Robbery at age 14
2. Firing and possessing weapon on school property at 15
3. At FSU, criminal mischief with BB gun shooting out windows
4. Mistreatment of puppies same year as #4
5. Named associate in assault case between two other men that occurred at his apartment (same summer as #4)
6. Summer of sophomore year accused of punching a woman, charged and found not guilty

MMQB has a good run down plus information that a "runner" for an agent that Cook did not choose was bad mouthing him and spreading rumors about him not showing up for NFL workouts on time.

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/04/25/nfl-draft-dalvin-cook-red-flags-character-concerns-scouts-florida-state-miami-dade#

[HarveyWallbangers]

RANDOM THOGHTS

KUDOS TO CLEVELAND- They are a few years away from winning Don't reach for a QB; build up your team this year. Sounds like next yr the QB class will be very strong. Get one then

I don't know. It's like they are afraid to make a mistake on a QB. They should have just drafted Wentz last year.

[Bretsky]

There are sometimes players drafted in round 3 who perform better than their round 1 counterparts. :roll:

Very True
we could just refer to Justine Harrell and Derrick Sherrod

[pbmax]

I don't know. It's like they are afraid to make a mistake on a QB. They should have just drafted Wentz last year.

You think Wentz figures it out?

[pbmax]

Very True
we could just refer to Justine Harrell and Derrick Sherrod

I will never forgive Tamba Hali.

[Bretsky]

I don't know. It's like they are afraid to make a mistake on a QB. They should have just drafted Wentz last year.

Absolutely right there. I like Wentz long term

[Bretsky]

I will never forgive Tamba Hali.

If TJ Watt turns out special I'll never forgive the Turtle

[Brandon494]

Ian Rapoport just reported on NFL Network that GB is fielding calls for their 1st pick in the 2nd Round from teams wanting a QB.

[jmbarnes101]

Having the first pick on days 2 and 3 is a highly sought affer commodity. I just wish we had a gm that had the testicular fortitude to capitalize on that and I'm hoping TT proves me wrong in that we don't have one.

[pbmax]

Jason Wilde‏Verified account @jasonjwilde 39m39 minutes ago
Asked if he’d consider trading back again, Ted Thompson replied, “Oh yeah. We’re taking calls.”

PFTCommenter‏ @PFTCommenter 2h2 hours ago
nice 2 see OJ followed by a white bronco 4 a change

Packers traded #29 pick for #33 and #108. In Jordy trade, they also got a fourth, for moving six spots.
According to the Jimmy Johnson chart, its 640 points (29th pick) for 580 (33rd) and 78. Win by 18 points.

Rich Campbell‏ @Rich_Campbell 30m30 minutes ago
Pace on why he felt a trade up was necessary: "Just in my talks. We have a lot of feelers out there. I didn't want to sit on our hands."

[pbmax]

Ian Rapoport just reported on NFL Network that GB is fielding calls for their 1st pick in the 2nd Round from teams wanting a QB.

QB's make people stupid. He might be able to clear a mint.

[BZnDallas]

QB's make people stupid. He might be able to clear a mint.

Like SF did to DA Bears. Hey, where is DaBears anyway? Been awhile.

[jmbarnes101]

Ian Rapoport just reported on NFL Network that GB is fielding calls for their 1st pick in the 2nd Round from teams wanting a QB.

Ironically the two teams that gave up those top two picks still don't have a QB, SF and Cle. Here's to hoping TT can pull out an additional 1st rounder next year as opposed to a 6th rounder and a box of crackerjacks.

[pbmax]

Jason Wilde‏Verified account @jasonjwilde 4m4 minutes ago
In 2008 Thompson was set to take Jordy Nelson at No. 30. Ted got #NYJ offer, moved back to No. 36 and #Packers still got their guy. Not bad.

Jason Wilde‏ @jasonjwilde 7m7 minutes ago
In 2013 second round, Thompson traded back from No. 55 with a host of RBs to choose from. Eddie Lacy at No. 61 turned out to be a good pick.

Abe Jaroszewski‏ @AbeJaroszewski
Replying to @jasonjwilde
except they wanted Le'Veon

Jason Wilde‏ @jasonjwilde 4m4 minutes ago
Jason Wilde Retweeted Abe Jaroszewski
And he was gone, at No. 48 to #Steelers. Remember a lot of people up in arms that Thompson moved back and "missed out" on Montee Ball.

[Joemailman]

Ian Rapoport just reported on NFL Network that GB is fielding calls for their 1st pick in the 2nd Round from teams wanting a QB.

Could be the Jets who have the 39th pick.

[call_me_ishmael]

I ain't a conference-ist or nothing but I am so sick of players from the PAC-10. Big heck no to Kevin King.

[HarveyWallbangers]

You think Wentz figures it out?

Dude had a good rookie year for somebody with almost no weapons. An oft-injured Ryan Matthews at RB with Nelson Agholor starting at WR and their best OL suspended for most of the year. Not to mention he missed most of the preseason and then was named the starter a few days before the season began. I don't see any reason he won't be a good QB.

[Radagast]

GB should have the 1st pick in the 2nd of the 2017 NFL Draft , provided TT does not trade the Packers further down the river . The player that GB picks will know that he could have been due 1st round money , but TT traded down to save money. That player will most likely act pleased to be picked and honored to be a GB Packer, but he will always know that he got screwed by TT. He'll play out the minimum time required by his contract and then he'll leave GB faster than a cat with his ass on fire. A process that regularly repeats itself .

GB signs a player for as little as it can get away with , expects efforts above and beyond the call of duty, then looses the fully trained player to free agency because they know they can screw another player cheaper than keeping the veteran. In the mean time the few high priced players keep the team in the playoff to satisfy the public. The failures are blamed upon injuries or the weather or bad luck or the coaches or the refugees or anything but TT.

This process will continue until GB gets a GM that values quality over quantity. A GM that values people over money. A GM that cares about winning Championships over maintaining the Status Que .


Perhaps this GM will go away some day and let us hope they get a winner and not another Bean Counter .

[Joemailman]

GB should have the 1st pick in the 2nd of the 2017 NFL Draft , provided TT does not trade the Packers further down the river . The player that GB picks will know that he could have been due 1st round money , but TT traded down to save money. That player will most likely act pleased to be picked and honored to be a GB Packer, but he will always know that he got screwed by TT. He'll play out the minimum time required by his contract and then he'll leave GB faster than a cat with his ass on fire. A process that regularly repeats itself .



Excellent point. TT did the same thing with Jordy Nelson and....oh wait.

[Bossman641]

GB should have the 1st pick in the 2nd of the 2017 NFL Draft , provided TT does not trade the Packers further down the river . The player that GB picks will know that he could have been due 1st round money , but TT traded down to save money. That player will most likely act pleased to be picked and honored to be a GB Packer, but he will always know that he got screwed by TT. He'll play out the minimum time required by his contract and then he'll leave GB faster than a cat with his ass on fire. A process that regularly repeats itself .

GB signs a player for as little as it can get away with , expects efforts above and beyond the call of duty, then looses the fully trained player to free agency because they know they can screw another player cheaper than keeping the veteran. In the mean time the few high priced players keep the team in the playoff to satisfy the public. The failures are blamed upon injuries or the weather or bad luck or the coaches or the refugees or anything but TT.

This process will continue until GB gets a GM that values quality over quantity. A GM that values people over money. A GM that cares about winning Championships over maintaining the Status Que .


Perhaps this GM will go away some day and let us hope they get a winner and not another Bean Counter .

Lol, what? The reality is somebody has to be the first pick of the second round. On top of that second rounders reach free agency a year earlier so this mythical player you're talking about has a chance to cash in earlier.

[Fritz]

Top rated OT, top rated OG, Dalvin Cook, Joe Mixon, Alvin Kamara and Tim Williams available, plus McDowell. TT might not get a lot of sleep tonight trying to engineer another pick or two in the second round.

Maxie, you're on it right here.

Funny to me how people panic and become so dismissive so quickly. The buzz on this draft was that it was deep, deep, deep, in corners and RB's, right up through the third or even fourth round. So it makes sense to move back and get another pick - and maybe move back again a few spots if you've still got four or five guys on the board you've got equally rated. But now everybody's puking that Ted didn't take Watt...or Foster. OR somebody, anybody!

R - E - L - A - X.

[wist43]

I don't mind the trade back... it was only 4 spots, and the only guy to come off the board that I liked was Foster; and Foster of course cold be a knucklehead.

Plus picking up the 1st pick of day 3 could prove valuable... teams will have the night to salivate over who dropped and Ted could get some pretty enticing offers for that pick.

[Pugger]

I don't mind the move back either. Most of the time there isn't a big difference in talent between guys taken late in the 1st and early in the second. The only thing I didn't care for was waiting all night without us taking anybody.

[Smidgeon]

GB should have the 1st pick in the 2nd of the 2017 NFL Draft , provided TT does not trade the Packers further down the river . The player that GB picks will know that he could have been due 1st round money , but TT traded down to save money. That player will most likely act pleased to be picked and honored to be a GB Packer, but he will always know that he got screwed by TT. He'll play out the minimum time required by his contract and then he'll leave GB faster than a cat with his ass on fire. A process that regularly repeats itself .

GB signs a player for as little as it can get away with , expects efforts above and beyond the call of duty, then looses the fully trained player to free agency because they know they can screw another player cheaper than keeping the veteran. In the mean time the few high priced players keep the team in the playoff to satisfy the public. The failures are blamed upon injuries or the weather or bad luck or the coaches or the refugees or anything but TT.

This process will continue until GB gets a GM that values quality over quantity. A GM that values people over money. A GM that cares about winning Championships over maintaining the Status Que .


Perhaps this GM will go away some day and let us hope they get a winner and not another Bean Counter .

You project a lot.

[Zool]

Lol, what? The reality is somebody has to be the first pick of the second round. On top of that second rounders reach free agency a year earlier so this mythical player you're talking about has a chance to cash in earlier.

Seriously, it's not like the Kevin Williams Viking situation where they purposefully didn't turn in their card. Some people will never be happy because they are smarter than everyone else.

iamverysmart (www.reddit.com/iamverysmart)

[pbmax]

Seriously, it's not like the Kevin Williams Viking situation where they purposefully didn't turn in their card. Some people will never be happy because they are smarter than everyone else.

iamverysmart (www.reddit.com/iamverysmart)

Is that what they figured out happened? That they were trying to avoid the monster bosses at the front end of the draft?

[BZnDallas]

GB should have the 1st pick in the 2nd of the 2017 NFL Draft , provided TT does not trade the Packers further down the river . The player that GB picks will know that he could have been due 1st round money , but TT traded down to save money. That player will most likely act pleased to be picked and honored to be a GB Packer, but he will always know that he got screwed by TT. He'll play out the minimum time required by his contract and then he'll leave GB faster than a cat with his ass on fire. A process that regularly repeats itself .

GB signs a player for as little as it can get away with , expects efforts above and beyond the call of duty, then looses the fully trained player to free agency because they know they can screw another player cheaper than keeping the veteran. In the mean time the few high priced players keep the team in the playoff to satisfy the public. The failures are blamed upon injuries or the weather or bad luck or the coaches or the refugees or anything but TT.

This process will continue until GB gets a GM that values quality over quantity. A GM that values people over money. A GM that cares about winning Championships over maintaining the Status Que .


Perhaps this GM will go away some day and let us hope they get a winner and not another Bean Counter .

Lol, you mad bro?

I liked the trade down. Heard there are potentially 80+ starters in this draft. Plenty of talent on the board. I would even trade down again like the rumors are saying. If its not too far. I am a lil worried we'll take Mixon at 33. Prefer him at 61.

[pbmax]

In addition to Fournette and McCaffrey skipping bowl games, there was this:

ProFootballTalk‏ @ProFootballTalk 19m19 minutes ago
ProFootballTalk Retweeted Pete Prisco
Also, McCaffrey said "no thanks" to private workouts requests.

[red]

the guys with the big question marks will be the first guys to go tonight (syndey jones, mixon, cook, etc)

so if tt doesn't want one of those guys, hell be trading back again

[pbmax]

Jersey Al - GBP‏ @JerseyAlGBP 4m4 minutes ago
Get out of here with your facts.

RT @PTTF_Brian: .@TheSweep_PTTF went back to 2005. They found 2 impact players taken at 29 in 11 drafts.

[Maxie the Taxi]

I need to read up more on Tim WilliamsI probably shouldn't have mentioned Tim Williams. The chances TT drafts him are slim to none.

He's probably the best pass rusher/disruptive force in the draft according to a consensus of scouts. However, he's had a few failed drug tests in his past. Plus, "scouts say he has a difficult time adjusting to complicated defensive schemes." Definitely not a fit for Capers' defense IMO.

[Guiness]

smh at the most popular picture from the first round of the draft...google shows 3 photos of Trubisky when you search for "2017 nfl draft"! I wonder how the guy that was actually drafted first feels about that.

[Guiness]

In addition to Fournette and McCaffrey skipping bowl games, there was this:

ProFootballTalk‏ @ProFootballTalk 19m19 minutes ago
ProFootballTalk Retweeted Pete Prisco
Also, McCaffrey said "no thanks" to private workouts requests.

Meh - Florio made some good points about this - there is plenty of film, pro day, combine. The private workouts have very little potential benefit to a player who's a lock to be first rounder.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/04/16/christian-mccaffrey-declined-all-private-workout-requests/

The fear of course is that he's skipping a lot of stuff, how much does he actually want to play?

[VegasPackFan]

Meh - Florio made some good points about this - there is plenty of film, pro day, combine. The private workouts have very little potential benefit to a player who's a lock to be first rounder.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/04/16/christian-mccaffrey-declined-all-private-workout-requests/

The fear of course is that he's skipping a lot of stuff, how much does he actually want to play?

When you have that kind of college career and then destroy the combine, you don't need to do anything else.

[VegasPackFan]

1. Robbery at age 14
2. Firing and possessing weapon on school property at 15
3. At FSU, criminal mischief with BB gun shooting out windows
4. Mistreatment of puppies same year as #4
5. Named associate in assault case between two other men that occurred at his apartment (same summer as #4)
6. Summer of sophomore year accused of punching a woman, charged and found not guilty

MMQB has a good run down plus information that a "runner" for an agent that Cook did not choose was bad mouthing him and spreading rumors about him not showing up for NFL workouts on time.

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/04/25/nfl-draft-dalvin-cook-red-flags-character-concerns-scouts-florida-state-miami-dade#

Cook also has a fumble rate of 1 per 63.8 touches. That's really bad.

[pbmax]

Kevin Seifert‏ @SeifertESPN 1h1 hour ago
Wow. Per @mortreport, even @ChicagoBears coach John Fox didn’t know about plan to draft QB Mitchell Trubisky until a couple hours before.

[Fritz]

Kevin Seifert‏ @SeifertESPN 1h1 hour ago
Wow. Per @mortreport, even @ChicagoBears coach John Fox didn’t know about plan to draft QB Mitchell Trubisky until a couple hours before.

Not only do the Bears still suck, it appears they will continue to suck into the future.

[Joemailman]

So TT turned the 29th pick into Kevin King and Vince Biegel. Just wondering if people would rather have T.J. Watt or King and Biegel. I don't see Badgers play that much, so I'm not familiar with Biegel.

[Patler]

So TT turned the 29th pick into Kevin King and Vince Biegel. Just wondering if people would rather have T.J. Watt or King and Biegel. I don't see Badgers play that much, so I'm not familiar with Biegel.

If McGinn and others are to be believed, GB wanted King anyway. In McGinn's mock first round, he had them taking King even though he had Watt being available to them. From that perspective, TT turned King into a less expensive King and Biegel.

[Brandon494]

So TT turned the 29th pick into Kevin King and Vince Biegel. Just wondering if people would rather have T.J. Watt or King and Biegel. I don't see Badgers play that much, so I'm not familiar with Biegel.

As much as I didn't like the Biegel picks it sure beats the hell out of drafting Watt in the 1st.

[Fritz]

I would like the Biegel pick better if his name was Dobermann instead.