Official Kevin King 2017 Second Round Choice

[pbmax]

Hi Kevin.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Md1kbGu8Lo

[pbmax]

Hyde replacement?


BOTTOM LINE Unusually tall cornerback with experience playing in the slot and as a starting safety. Showed improved instincts and ball production in 2016, but there are still concerns about whether he has the athleticism and recovery speed to utilize his length to play the football. Might be best suited to more zone coverage or off-man based on his speed limitations, but in either scheme he'll need to improve his aggressiveness as a tackler.

[Bretsky]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AVK0HqZ1bE

[pbmax]

CBS Draft Scout (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2079703/kevin-king)

STRENGTHS: Offers rare size at cornerback with a lean, tapered frame, including very long limbs. Surprisingly agile in coverage, showing the loose hips to turn and shadow receivers downfield when in press coverage. Will extend an arm but isn't reliant upon landing his initial jam. A cerebral, experienced player often slid inside to play nickel duties against three and four receiver sets. Very good awareness while in zone, anticipating underneath routes and closing quickly downhill to break up passes, often providing a physical pop on contact to jar the ball free. Good hand-eye coordination to sneak his mitt between those of the intended receiver to rip it away as it arrives and has shown good ballskills to record the interception (including a one-handed circus catch in the end zone against Arizona State). Generally a reliable open-field tackler, whose uses his long arms to lasso the legs of ball-carriers. High character player who earned Honorable Mention All-Academic honors as a senior as well as the team's community service award.

WEAKNESSES: Is not as consistently physical as his size and occasional big hits might indicate. Too often seems more interested in ripping at the ball with his tackles and has too many of his tackle attempts broken. More of a grabber as a tackler, rather than consistently hitting, driving and wrapping securely. At his best facing the quarterback. Like a lot of longer cornerbacks, King needs an extra step to change direction, leaving him somewhat vulnerable to smaller, shiftier receivers. Projects best in some schemes to safety, a position he has not played in two years (and was complemented by two stellar cover corners in Peters and Jones when he did play this role).

IN OUR VIEW: Though his more touted teammates will likely earn a higher draft pick, King's size, awareness and versatility warrant top 100 consideration. His ability to play multiple roles should help King earn a roster spot in the NFL. His size is both a quality and a curse. While big enough to shrink passing lanes, King will always be vulnerable to shifty route-runners.

COMPARES TO: Stanley Jean-Baptiste, Seattle Seahawks: Teams prioritizing length at cornerback will no doubt be intrigued by King's length. Jean-Baptiste has struggled to make an impact in the NFL after the New Orleans Saints made the former Nebraska standout the 58th overall pick of the 2014 draft. King's experience at safety could make his transition to the NFL a smoother one.

--Rob Rang (1/16/17)

CBS had him 3rd best corner, 25th best player overall, first round grade.

[pbmax]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AVK0HqZ1bE

You know, one of these days you old guys will learn to use the internet correctly :lol:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AVK0HqZ1bE

[wist43]

I like king okay... no telling how dunderdummy will fuck him up.

[Bretsky]

I like king okay... no telling how dunderdummy will fuck him up.

I thought you were pimping him earlier ?

[jmbarnes101]

I hope I'm wrong but yuck. We now have 5 CB's and none of them are looking like a #1.

[Smidgeon]

I'm not sold on him, but I don't know why. Hopefully my gut is wrong (because I have nothing to go on besides that).

[Bretsky]

I hope I'm wrong but yuck. We now have 5 CB's and none of them are looking like a #1.


I had no man love for him; but he seemed like the worst first tier CB so we had to take him.

[QBME]

CBS Draft Scout (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2079703/kevin-king)



WEAKNESSES: Too often seems more interested in ripping at the ball with his tackles and has too many of his tackle attempts broken. More of a grabber as a tackler, rather than consistently hitting, driving and wrapping securely.



--Rob Rang (1/16/17)



Should fit right in.

[jmbarnes101]

I had no man love for him; but he seemed like the worst first tier CB so we had to take him.

All the more reason to not like this pick. Let's settle for the lousiest of the best and the best of the lousiest.

[Joemailman]

I thought you were pimping him earlier ?

Wist doesn't pimp for long. :-)

[Upnorth]

All the more reason to not like this pick. Let's settle for the lousiest of the best and the best of the lousiest.

Who would you have taken?

[jmbarnes101]

Who would you have taken?

i would've taken Watt in Round 1. Since they didn't they held the most powerful spot on day 2. Trade down and obtain some draft value next year or pick up another third. Was it really necessary to pick a guy who doesn't project as a #1 CB?

[Brandon494]

Great pick up...this guy has will be the 2nd best CB taken in this draft imo

[Joemailman]

i would've taken Watt in Round 1. Since they didn't they held the most powerful spot on day 2. Trade down and obtain some draft value next year or pick up another third. Was it really necessary to pick a guy who doesn't project as a #1 CB?

I'm pretty sure TT projects him as a starting CB.

[Freak Out]

Great pick up...this guy has will be the 2nd best CB taken in this draft imo

Please be right.

[smuggler]

Texans killing me by taking Cunningham.

[Joemailman]

Texans killing me by taking Cunningham.

Me too.

[Packgator]

Pete Prisco at CBS gives the Kevin King pick by the Packers an A+. The only A+ of the 2nd round. Says Prisco, "Love this kid. Love this pick. Smart move by Ted Thompson. He's a hell of a corner".

[Joemailman]

Pete Prisco at CBS gives the Kevin King pick by the Packers an A+. The only A+ of the 2nd round. Says Prisco, "Love this kid. Love this pick. Smart move by Ted Thompson. He's a hell of a corner".

I always said Pete Prisco was smart.

[Bretsky]

I'm pretty sure TT projects him as a starting CB.


On our team TT could project any CG as a starter :)

[Joemailman]

Wrong thread.

[jmbarnes101]

I'm pretty sure TT projects him as a starting CB.

i don't have much faith in that. TT hasn't exactly done a good job of drafting corners. I hope I'm wrong, I really do. I just haven't seen or read anything that makes me think he's anything other then just another TT CB.

[Joemailman]

i don't have much faith in that. TT hasn't exactly done a good job of drafting corners. I hope I'm wrong, I really do. I just haven't seen or read anything that makes me think he's anything other then just another TT CB.

So what do you want him to do? Stop drafting cornerbacks?

[Tony Oday]

Shut down CB

[Upnorth]

i don't have much faith in that. TT hasn't exactly done a good job of drafting corners. I hope I'm wrong, I really do. I just haven't seen or read anything that makes me think he's anything other then just another TT CB.

Strongly disagree with this. Jury is still out on Rollins and Randal. I think after ol and wr secondary talent is his strength

[pbmax]

All the more reason to not like this pick. Let's settle for the lousiest of the best and the best of the lousiest.

Its usually better if Bretsky doesn't like someone. Otherwise, they tend to get arrested.

[Bretsky]

Its usually better if Bretsky doesn't like someone. Otherwise, they tend to get arrested.

Time will tell if Tedology works
I've been saying for a long time with the draft being so deep at CB you have to go with an OLB/Edge Rusher in round one cause there will be plenty of secondary help in runds 2-4. I think I was right. Plenty of very capable round 2-3 CB's and it's likely some will be as capable as King. Meanwhile the pot of edge rushers are pretty empty and it appears TT doesn't view that as much of a need and instead is using a round one and round two pick at the exact same position he went for two years ago

Consider me ET right now....calling out..............

ELIOTTTT
ELIOTTTT

[King Friday]

King is alright. He's a borderline first round talent, and we got him at the very top of the 2nd round. I like his size...having a 6'3" guy in the secondary capable of running with most NFL WRs is a luxury. Time will tell if he will ever reach his maximum potential based on his physical talent.

I did like the fact that the kid was the only guy who stuck around until Day 2 to hear his name called, spending the day working out rather than on the town. Football seems important to him. He isn't a character risk. He came out with all the right words immediately when Green Bay became his new home. While I would've preferred standing pat in the first round and nabbing a pass rusher, I think King could be a valuable contributor.

[Pugger]

So what do you want him to do? Stop drafting cornerbacks?

Apparently. Folks here and elsewhere were all saying we need a corner. Ted takes arguably the best one left at #33 and folks here bitch about it. I seriously doubt TT can do anything right for some. Maybe we should just tank the 2017 season so we can pick in the top 10 in 2018? Or will Ted F that one up too?

[texaspackerbacker]

What we need is a #1 Corner. Randall and Rollins, and more to my liking, Gunter, might turn out to be decent 2nd or 3rd Corners, but unless they play a whole lot better than they ever have before, they aren't #1 Top Notch Out-On-An-Island Corners (Gunter is the closest to that of what we had last season). I don't know if Kevin King is that; I don't even know for sure he is the best Corner in the draft named King, but from what I read, I'm hopeful. On the negative side, a rule of thumb for me is that D Players from great D teams tend to be overrated ....... and what did we get? One of three first round Corner picks from the same great D team - who arguably each made the others seem better than they are.

[BZnDallas]

What we need is a #1 Corner. Randall and Rollins, and more to my liking, Gunter, might turn out to be decent 2nd or 3rd Corners, but unless they play a whole lot better than they ever have before, they aren't #1 Top Notch Out-On-An-Island Corners (Gunter is the closest to that of what we had last season). I don't know if Kevin King is that; I don't even know for sure he is the best Corner in the draft named King, but from what I read, I'm hopeful. On the negative side, a rule of thumb for me is that D Players from great D teams tend to be overrated ....... and what did we get? One of three first round Corner picks from the same great D team - who arguably each made the others seem better than they are.

I think a lot of folks in here missing something. A no. 1 corner and a shutdown, on an island corner, are 2 very very different things. There are very few 'island' corners in this league. There are 32 no. 1 corners in this league.

You don't find 'island' CBs drafting in the 20s every year. A lot of you peoples expectations are way over board. Good grief.

[Deputy Nutz]

I said from day one that the Packers first need was to try and find a number 1 corner for this team, secondly they needed a pass rusher. Still no pass rusher but I gotta say at least Ted addressed a huge hole on this roster. We can't predict how King is going to turn out, so you can't really hate this pick.

Personally I thought Awuzie was the better defensive back and had more tools in his box but Ted did his job.

[texaspackerbacker]

I think a lot of folks in here missing something. A no. 1 corner and a shutdown, on an island corner, are 2 very very different things. There are very few 'island' corners in this league. There are 32 no. 1 corners in this league.

You don't find 'island' CBs drafting in the 20s every year. A lot of you peoples expectations are way over board. Good grief.

OK, let's just say somebody who SHOULD be a #1 Corner.

[BZnDallas]

OK, let's just say somebody who SHOULD be a #1 Corner.

I think Kevin King gets every possible opportunity to be our no. 1 corner. Who knows what he develops into. He'll be the one to cover the Julio's and the Dez's. Maybe not at first, but he'll be given the opportunity soon.

[Guiness]

Happy with this pick. He's the guy I wanted with their own 2nd round pick, but maybe it was a pipe dream he's last to that spot.

Zach Cunningham almost fell to the Pack, I wonder if they would've stayed put and listened to Brandon if he had? :-)

[bobblehead]

Time will tell if Tedology works
I've been saying for a long time with the draft being so deep at CB you have to go with an OLB/Edge Rusher in round one cause there will be plenty of secondary help in runds 2-4. I think I was right. Plenty of very capable round 2-3 CB's and it's likely some will be as capable as King. Meanwhile the pot of edge rushers are pretty empty and it appears TT doesn't view that as much of a need and instead is using a round one and round two pick at the exact same position he went for two years ago

Consider me ET right now....calling out..............

ELIOTTTT
ELIOTTTT

Or TT doesn't have a high grade on ANY of the edge rushers available at the point you made this post.

[Fritz]

Here's how Bob McGinn can drive you nuts. In his article on how the signing of Evans at guard freed Thompson up to use his picks to address other needs (he spells "other needs" as "c-o-r-n-e-r"), he says this about the draft's crop of defensive backs: "an exceptional scout such as Thompson recognized months ago just how talented and deep the pool of defensive backs would be."

Then, a few lines later, he says this: "It’s hard to say why Thompson was willing to take the risk and trade four slots down and out of the first round. With Tre’Davious White gone to Buffalo at 27, my sense at that point was it had to be Kevin King or bust at cornerback.

Okay...so the first point you make is that this was an exceptionally deep class at corner, then in the next breath you say had he not gotten King then he was screwed.

[Deputy Nutz]

I think McGinn believes that King was the last available in the first tier of defensive backs. I think Thompson would have taken White if he had fallen to the Packers instead of traded but at the end of the day I would probably have taken King plus the fourth round pick.

[pbmax]

I doubt Ted trades back unless he had another CB or LB in mind. That is the method he prefers and has said so. Bob's point is almost self-refuting; if it was King or bust, he doesn't move.

Thompson has also said they don't spend an appreciable amount of time trying to figure out what other teams will do.

[pbmax]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2706317-nfl-draft-2017-round-2-3-grades-for-every-nfl-pick

No. 33 Green Bay Packers: Kevin King, Cornerback, Washington

Strengths: Height, jam-press coverage.

Weaknesses: Tackling, short-area quickness, injury history.

There are a lot of players like King in this year’s draft class:

Extra-tall cornerbacks;
Who were part of secondaries chock-full of NFL prospects;
Who lack the physicality to play safety;
But don’t possess the lateral quickness to be shutdown cornerbacks;
Yet tested well at the combine in shuttle-and-cone drills, so maybe they are quicker than they looked on tape.
King falls in this category, as do Quincy Wilson, Ahkello Witherspoon and some others. It’s hard to tell what you are getting with them. Matchup nickel defenders? The next generation of shutdown cornerbacks? Fringe special teamers who were college system products?

The fate of players like King and the others may come down to what happens the first time they try to bring a tight end to the ground in training camp.

King played some slot and safety at Washington. That versatility will help him get on the field. He’s a special athlete, but special athletes just aren’t that special in this year’s cornerback draft.

The Packers allowed 153 points during a four-game losing streak last season which coincided with a rash of injuries in the secondary. It was covered by much of the media as an Aaron Rodgers slump, because "Famous Quarterback Suddenly Stinks" is a buzzier headline than "Several Cornerbacks Injured." The Packers know they need depth and upgrades in the secondary, even though the unit got healthy and rebounded later in the season.

I have several cornerbacks rated higher than King. But overall, this is a sound selection.



Grade: B

[gbgary]

a guy a pff said king could be the next richard sherman.

[texaspackerbacker]

It's an integral part of Capers' system of compensation and schemes to have at least one shutdown Corner. You never know if somebody is that until they do it on the field in the pros, but King shows a lot of promise IMO. The fact that he hasn't played Safety, doesn't look like a Safety, and almost certainly won't for the Packers, I see that as a good thing, considering our experience with different types of Corners.