Demovsky Projection of 53 Man Roster

[texaspackerbacker]

http://www.espn.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/39236/packers-53-man-roster-projection-includes-seven-receivers-again

This comes amazingly close to what I would project.

I think I'd keep Amichia over either Barclay or Patrick. Also, I think I'd keep Hawkins or maybe Goodson over Pipkins for the 6th Corner spot or else keep only 5 and keep a 3rd QB.

Is it my imagination, or does it seem like less question marks at this point of the off-season that most years?

[call_me_ishmael]

Boy, just looking at that roster has me excited. This is going to be a good team this year. It may start off rough but by the end of the season I bet the rooks and youngens look pretty good.

[gbgary]

This is going to be a good team this year.

ugh! NOW you've done it. smh

[bobblehead]

Boy, just looking at that roster has me excited. This is going to be a good team this year. It may start off rough but by the end of the season I bet the rooks and youngens look pretty good.

IT'S JULY AND WE CAN'T LOSE!!!!

[bobblehead]

Honestly I would be surprised if we see Amichia much at all. If he looks good, but not ready to start they will not play him much in the spring and try to sneak him the the PS. He was a 6th in a weak OL draft. He will make it to the PS unless he plays a lot in the spring and looks great.

[Joemailman]

Quarterbacks (3): Aaron Rodgers, Brett Hundley, Joe Callahan

Running backs (4): Ty Montgomery, Jamaal Williams, Aaron Jones, Aaron Ripkowski

Receivers (6): Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, Davante Adams, Trevor Davis, Jeff Janis, Malachi Dupre,

Tight end (4): Martellus Bennett, Richard Rodgers, Lance Kendricks, Beau Sandland

Offensive line (9): David Bakhtiari, Bryan Bulaga, Corey Linsley, Jahri Evans, Lane Taylor, Jason Spriggs, Don Barclay, Kyle Murphy, Lucas Patrick,

Defensive line (5): Mike Daniels, Kenny Clark, Ricky Jean Francois, Dean Lowry, Montravius Adams

Outside linebackers (5): Clay Matthews, Nick Perry, Jayrone Elliott, Kyler Fackrell, Vince Biegel.

Inside linebackers (3): Jake Ryan, Blake Martinez, Joe Thomas.

Cornerbacks (6): Davon House, Kevin King, LaDarius Gunter, Damarious Randall, Quinten Rollins, Lenzy Pipkins


Safeties (5): Morgan Burnett, Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, Josh Jones, Kentrell Brice, Marwin Evans

Specialists (3): Mason Crosby, Justin Vogel, Derek Hart

With Hundley probably trade bait at the end of the year, I think they keep Callahan. They'll stash Mays on the PS and keep Sandland at TE. Amichia goes to PS, although it could be Patrick.

[texaspackerbacker]

Is there some problem with DeAngelo Yancey?

[wist43]

That linebacking Corp is just an ugly mess... low-ceiling, pedestrian players combined with a terrible DC?? Another long year of checking the grill while the defense is on the field.

[Joemailman]

Is there some problem with DeAngelo Yancey?

Not really. It's just a numbers game at WR. I don't see them keeping 7 when they'll be getting Allison back after 1 week.

[texaspackerbacker]

I like the OLB situation better than in the past when we had Datone Jones and before him, Mike Neal out there. ILB indeed would be mediocre like Wist said except for the fact that Clay can still play there and Burnett and Jones should see action there too.

Joe, how do you single out Yancey as the odd man out without so much as a mention of the practice squad or whatever? And what's with the Sandland thing? Has he done anything to merit being kept? I see 7 (at least) worthy WRs and only 3 TEs worth keeping.

[mraynrand]

I like the OLB situation better than in the past when we had Datone Jones and before him, Mike Neal out there.

What do you mean? When they were playing the two down linemen in the "2-4"?

[Joemailman]

I like the OLB situation better than in the past when we had Datone Jones and before him, Mike Neal out there. ILB indeed would be mediocre like Wist said except for the fact that Clay can still play there and Burnett and Jones should see action there too.

Joe, how do you single out Yancey as the odd man out without so much as a mention of the practice squad or whatever? And what's with the Sandland thing? Has he done anything to merit being kept? I see 7 (at least) worthy WRs and only 3 TEs worth keeping.

I mean Yancey to PS. Either him or Dupree. Just playing a hunch there. I think Sandland is just the kind of guy who could make the team with his ST play. He's almost as big as DickRod and more athletic. He had one of the best overall combine performances among TE's in 2016. I think he's someone to watch in the preseason.
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[Rutnstrut]

It still makes no sense to me to let Lang walk if they put Evans in there since they wanted to develop a younger player. Evans is good, but being in a new system takes a bit away from him. He is a downgrade from Lang.

[Joemailman]

It still makes no sense to me to let Lang walk if they put Evans in there since they wanted to develop a younger player. Evans is good, but being in a new system takes a bit away from him. He is a downgrade from Lang.

A slight downgrade maybe, but not enough to make much difference. Evans is a vet who should have no trouble adjusting to a new system. If anything, playing for the Packers should be easier. Packers will have a more balanced offense than the pass-happy Saints, and Rodgers is more mobile than Brees.

[Guiness]

I like the OLB situation better than in the past when we had Datone Jones and before him, Mike Neal out there. ILB indeed would be mediocre like Wist said except for the fact that Clay can still play there and Burnett and Jones should see action there too.

Joe, how do you single out Yancey as the odd man out without so much as a mention of the practice squad or whatever? And what's with the Sandland thing? Has he done anything to merit being kept? I see 7 (at least) worthy WRs and only 3 TEs worth keeping.

Mike Neale...he sure dropped out of sight. He played decently in his last season, I expected someone to pick him up. He certainly showed he could play in the league, odd if he got not looks at all. I think he had a suspension coming up though? Can't remember.

[Patler]

It still makes no sense to me to let Lang walk if they put Evans in there since they wanted to develop a younger player. Evans is good, but being in a new system takes a bit away from him. He is a downgrade from Lang.

Evans - $2.25M one year contract, $200,000 guaranteed.
Lang - $28.5M three year contract, $19,000,000 guaranteed.

It's not difficult to understand why they let Lang walk, or why they are willing to give Evans a shot, especially when you consider that Evans has been more durable throughout his career.

[texaspackerbacker]

I thoroughly expect Evans to play better than Lang would have - even if the money had been equal, which obviously it is not.

[Patler]

I thoroughly expect Evans to play better than Lang would have - even if the money had been equal, which obviously it is not.

I don't. Evans will be 34 before the start of the season, and I expect will not be the elite player he has been for most of his career. In fact, I won't be shocked if his performance falls of a cliff like Jeff Saturday's did. It happens. On the other hand, I won't be surprised if he puts together another solid, but unspectacular year and plays all 16 games. Either way, signing him was a good move. If Lang can stay relatively healthy, I expect he will still be one of the best guards in the league. Evans was even better, but that was a few years ago. I am hoping for nothing more than solid, reliable play from him.

Sitton and Lang were an usual pair of guards, both among the very best in the league. The Packers were fortunate to have them. Unfortunately, both had building histories with injuries. For a number of years, they managed to be available for games, but practiced very little even as relatively young players. It continued last year for Sitton in Chicago and for Lang in GB. Neither practiced much for many weeks, but last year each also missed three games entirely and played little in several others. I won't be surprised if either or both miss even more games this year. Sitton is attempting to compensate for chronic back problems by losing weight, and has had recurring leg problems. Lang has a chronic hip issue and may not be ready for camp because of surgeries on his hip and foot that he broke twice last year. Two years ago he had significant injuries to both shoulders, had surgery on one and was rumored to have had surgery on both. His foot problems have been recurring.

Evans has had some recent injury issues, too, but managed to play all 16 and reportedly very well in 2016. A $200k bet on his health and performance makes a lot more sense than a nearly $20M bet on Lang's.

[pbmax]

Evans was a better pass blocker. Lang a better run blocker. And Lang wasn't in Sitton's class as a run blocker. Will be interesting to see what Evans has left in pass pro, where I am hopeful, and in run blocking, where I am worried.

[Pugger]

I don't. Evans will be 34 before the start of the season, and I expect will not be the elite player he has been for most of his career. In fact, I won't be shocked if his performance falls of a cliff like Jeff Saturday's did. It happens. On the other hand, I won't be surprised if he puts together another solid, but unspectacular year and plays all 16 games. Either way, signing him was a good move. If Lang can stay relatively healthy, I expect he will still be one of the best guards in the league. Evans was even better, but that was a few years ago. I am hoping for nothing more than solid, reliable play from him.

Sitton and Lang were an usual pair of guards, both among the very best in the league. The Packers were fortunate to have them. Unfortunately, both had building histories with injuries. For a number of years, they managed to be available for games, but practiced very little even as relatively young players. It continued last year for Sitton in Chicago and for Lang in GB. Neither practiced much for many weeks, but last year each also missed three games entirely and played little in several others. I won't be surprised if either or both miss even more games this year. Sitton is attempting to compensate for chronic back problems by losing weight, and has had recurring leg problems. Lang has a chronic hip issue and may not be ready for camp because of surgeries on his hip and foot that he broke twice last year. Two years ago he had significant injuries to both shoulders, had surgery on one and was rumored to have had surgery on both. His foot problems have been recurring.

Evans has had some recent injury issues, too, but managed to play all 16 and reportedly very well in 2016. A $200k bet on his health and performance makes a lot more sense than a nearly $20M bet on Lang's.

Saturday was 37 when he started games for us in 2012. Evans is 3 years younger. I don't think he'll fall off a cliff like Saturday did.

[texaspackerbacker]

Saturday was undersized too, as I recall - a throwback to when Centers could get away with being smaller than other O Linemen. Evans was called on to pass block for New Orleans a lot more than to run block. I'm hopeful being big and athletic, that he can run block better than he previously showed. And of course, the mobility of Rodgers compared to a lot less for Brees ought to help his pass blocking even if he slips a little bit with age.

[Patler]

Saturday was 37 when he started games for us in 2012. Evans is 3 years younger. I don't think he'll fall off a cliff like Saturday did.

True, but for some reason guards don't hang around as long. I researched it and posted about it a while back here or elsewhere, perhaps even when Sitton was cut. Looking back several years there weren't even many guards over 30 who played a lot, and there were just a handful at 33. I don't think there was a single one 35 or older other than in a backup role. For centers, there was always a few 35/36 still hanging around and playing. There were more older tackles, too. I wondered if it might be because by and large tackles and centers had more athletic players.

[run pMc]

The Evans singing was hypothetically a very good move. You have a proven stopgap until the young guys sort themselves out. Amichia, Patrick, Murphy, or one of the UDFA's could all be the starting RG by end of season. For now, they have someone who shouldn't get Rodgers killed in week 1. The money made a lot of sense too. Lang was a very good player, but Detroit overpaid him on a contract he might not play to the end given his age, injury history.

Doesn't make a lot of sense to overpay aging veterans, and it's not a good idea to put a huge chunk of your salary cap into the OL. Bahktiari was a much better signing...younger, getting better, and a premium position. Lane Taylor isn't Josh Sitton, but he played well enough to save GB a lot of dough and nobody really noticed much dropoff. They're banking on that happening again, and Evans is the backup plan.

Plus, the draft allegedly wasn't great for O-linemen.

[run pMc]

Is there some problem with DeAngelo Yancey?

Early hype was on Dupre, and Yancey supposedly had a case of the dropsies. The competition at several positions (WR, RB, CB) looks to be very interesting this year. Some good players won't make it and wind up playing for the 49ers.

[Zool]

Early hype was on Dupre, and Yancey supposedly had a case of the dropsies. The competition at several positions (WR, RB, CB) looks to be very interesting this year. Some good players won't make it and wind up playing for the 49ers.

The 49ers will have to get in line behind the Vikings for Packer cuts.

[pbmax]

Lombardi Live 53 man roster projection. http://lombardiave.com/2017/07/24/green-bay-packers-projecting-53-man-roster/

Offense (24 players)

Quarterback (2)
Starter – Aaron Rodgers
Reserve – Brett Hundley
Cut – Joe Callahan
Practice Squad – Tysom Hill

Running Back (3)
Starter – Ty Montgomery
Reserves – Jamaal Williams, Aaron Jones
Cut – Devante Mays, William Stanback
Practice Squad – Khalif Phillips

Fullback (1)
Starter – Aaron Ripkowski
Cut – Joe Kerridge

Wide Receiver (6)
Starters – Jordy Nelson, Davante Adams, Randall Cobb
Reserves – Malachi Dupre, Trevor Davis, DeAngelo Yancey
Cut – Jeff Janis, Montay Crockett, Max McCaffrey, Colby Pearson
*Suspended – Geronimo Allison
Practice Squad – Michael Clark

Tight End (3)
Starter – Michael Bennett
Reserves – Lance Kendricks, Richard Rodgers
Cut – Aaron Peck
Practice Squad – Beau Sandland

Offensive Line (9)
Starters – David Bakhtiari, Lane Taylor, Corey Linsley, Jahri Evans, Bryan Bulaga
Reserves – Jason Spriggs, Don Barclay, Kyle Murphy, Kofi Amichia
Cut – Geoff Gray, Lucas Patrick, Justin McCray, Robert Leff, Thomas Evans
Practice Squad – Adam Pankey

[pbmax]

Defense (26 players)

Defensive Line (5)
Starters – Mike Daniels, Kenny Clark, Ricky Jean Francois
Reserves – Dean Lowry, Montravius Adams
Cut – Letroy Guion, Brian Price, Christian Ringo, Izaah Lunsford

Outside Linebacker (6)
Starters – Clay Matthews, Nick Perry
Reserves – Kyler Fackrell, Vince Biegel, Jayrone Elliott, Justin Gilbert
Practice Squad – Jonathan Calvin

Inside Linebacker (4)
Starters – Jake Ryan, Blake Martinez
Reserves – Joe Thomas, Jordan Tripp
Cut – Derrick Matthews, Cody Heiman, David Talley, Josh Letuligasenoa

Cornerback (6)
Starters – Davon House, Kevin King, Damarious Randall
Reserves – Quentin Rollins, LaDarius Gunter, Lenzy Pipkins
Cut – Dmitri Goodson, Josh Hawkins, Deangelo Brown, Daquan Holmes, Raysean Pringle
Practice Squad – Herb Waters

Safety (5)
Starters – Morgan Burnett, Haha Clinton-Dix
Reserves – Josh Jones, Kentrell Brice, Marwin Evans
Cut – Aaron Taylor, Jermaine Whitehead


Special Teams

Specialists (3)
Kicker – Mason Crosby
Punter – Justin Pogel
Long Snapper – Derek Hart

[Zool]

I doubt they keep a 4th ILB first day. I would replace Tripp with Waters. Not sure Waters would make it to the practice squad.

[pbmax]

I doubt they keep a 4th ILB first day. I would replace Tripp with Waters. Not sure Waters would make it to the practice squad.

Unless he looks like Shields out there, Pipkins would be ideal for PS. But Tripp probably makes it as well.

Also not sure 3 young WRs make the roster ahead of Janis unless one of them proves to be a ST coverage demon.

[Zool]

Unless he looks like Shields out there, Pipkins would be ideal for PS. But Tripp probably makes it as well.

Also not sure 3 young WRs make the roster ahead of Janis unless one of them proves to be a ST coverage demon.

Well we can all hope Janice doesn't make the roster again. Might be wishful thinking but dammit, that's all we have right now.

[mraynrand]

McCaffrey makes the team only. if he's been ingesting the proprietary family PED cocktail. Or praying to the god of skinny punks.

[Joemailman]

If Goodson's knee is sound, he might make it based on ST play. Don't see Tripp making it. Josh Jones is the 4th ILB.

[texaspackerbacker]

I also think that's too many LBs - both Inside and Outside. I'd keep 3 and 5 instead of 4 and 6.

I don't know what the fascination is that people have with Lenzy Pipkins, but I see a total of 9 DBs, which means 1 spot for him, Hawkins, Waters, Goodson, and a 5th Safety. My guess would be Hawkins for that spot.

With that savings of 4 on the D, I'd keep 3 QBs, 5 RBs + 1 FB, and 7 WRs.

And I don't think I even need to say it, but for all the detractors of Jeff Janis, I see him as one of the seven with probably Davis getting cut when Allison is done with his suspension.

I guess that leaves one spot unfilled. There's plenty of quality to take care of that. Also, we can probably expect a few injuries to be a factor.

BTW, we can wish we had Justin Gilbert, but I assume the roster spot above was Reggie hahahaha.

[hoosier]

Same for Michael Bennett, though Martellus ain't bad.

[pbmax]

I also think that's too many LBs - both Inside and Outside. I'd keep 3 and 5 instead of 4 and 6.

I don't know what the fascination is that people have with Lenzy Pipkins, but I see a total of 9 DBs, which means 1 spot for him, Hawkins, Waters, Goodson, and a 5th Safety. My guess would be Hawkins for that spot.

With that savings of 4 on the D, I'd keep 3 QBs, 5 RBs + 1 FB, and 7 WRs.

And I don't think I even need to say it, but for all the detractors of Jeff Janis, I see him as one of the seven with probably Davis getting cut when Allison is done with his suspension.

I guess that leaves one spot unfilled. There's plenty of quality to take care of that. Also, we can probably expect a few injuries to be a factor.

BTW, we can wish we had Justin Gilbert, but I assume the roster spot above was Reggie hahahaha.


No way they go with fewer than 6 OLBs unless there are injuries. There are always 2 of them on the field and 4 of them need to play special teams.

[smuggler]

Is Justin Gilbert still in the league? He was widely regarded as a colossal bust.

[hoosier]

With Jones and Barnett expected to play in the box as safety/lb hybrids I would expect them to keep just three real ILBs: Ryan, Martinez and Thomas.

[mraynrand]

Is Justin Gilbert still in the league? He was widely regarded as a colossal bust.

Ya just awful. I think he went from Cleveland to pittsburgh if you can believe it. Great physical tools. Apparently horrible work ethic.

[Pugger]

True, but for some reason guards don't hang around as long. I researched it and posted about it a while back here or elsewhere, perhaps even when Sitton was cut. Looking back several years there weren't even many guards over 30 who played a lot, and there were just a handful at 33. I don't think there was a single one 35 or older other than in a backup role. For centers, there was always a few 35/36 still hanging around and playing. There were more older tackles, too. I wondered if it might be because by and large tackles and centers had more athletic players.

I don't know if this means much but J. Evans was in with the other starters on the O line at RG at practice yesterday.

[Joemailman]

I don't know if this means much but J. Evans was in with the other starters on the O line at RG at practice yesterday.

It means it's his job to lose. He played pretty well last year, so I doubt the wheels are about to fall off. Barring injury, no real reason to believe he won't be the starter this year.

[pbmax]

King was in with the 1's and House yesterday after Gunter got hurt deep on the first day by Adams/Rodgers.

[Joemailman]

Saturday was 37 when he started games for us in 2012. Evans is 3 years younger. I don't think he'll fall off a cliff like Saturday did.


True, but for some reason guards don't hang around as long. I researched it and posted about it a while back here or elsewhere, perhaps even when Sitton was cut. Looking back several years there weren't even many guards over 30 who played a lot, and there were just a handful at 33. I don't think there was a single one 35 or older other than in a backup role. For centers, there was always a few 35/36 still hanging around and playing. There were more older tackles, too. I wondered if it might be because by and large tackles and centers had more athletic players.

Just 1 person's opinion but...

http://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/baranczyk/2017/08/06/analysis-packers-rookies-kevin-king-josh-jones-look-part-early-camp/540727001/


When the Packers signed 37-year-old Jeff Saturday to start at center in 2012, there were signs early in camp he’d hit the wall. By season’s end, he no longer was the starter. No such red flags so far with six-time Pro Bowler Jahri Evans, who turns 34 later this month and is replacing T.J. Lang at right guard. Evans has been a crafty run blocker and fine in pass protection, though he had two false start penalties Saturday night.

[Brandon494]

Quarterbacks (2): Aaron Rodgers, Brett Hundley,
PS: Hill

Running backs (4): Ty Montgomery, Jamaal Williams, Aaron Jones, Aaron Ripkowski
PS: Mays

Receivers (7): Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, Davante Adams, Trevor Davis, Jeff Janis, G Allison, DeAngelo Yancy
PS: Clark, Dupree

Tight end (3): Martellus Bennett, Richard Rodgers, Lance Kendricks,
PS: Beau Sandland

Offensive line (8): David Bakhtiari, Bryan Bulaga, Corey Linsley, Jahri Evans, Lane Taylor, Jason Spriggs, Don Barclay, Kyle Murphy
PS: Kofi Amichia

Defensive line (6): Mike Daniels, Kenny Clark, Ricky Jean Francois, Dean Lowry, Montravius Adams, Brian Price

Outside linebackers (6): Clay Matthews, Nick Perry, Jayrone Elliott, Kyler Fackrell, Vince Biegel, Justin Gilbert
PS: Calvin

Inside linebackers (3): Jake Ryan, Blake Martinez, Joe Thomas


Cornerbacks (6): Davon House, Kevin King, Damarious Randall, Quinten Rollins, Josh Hawkins, Lenzy Pipkins
PS: Waters

Safeties (5): Morgan Burnett, Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, Josh Jones, Kentrell Brice, Marwin Evans

Specialists (3): Mason Crosby, Justin Vogel, Goode

-Praying we finally let Gunter go, guy just doesn't have the speed to be a play maker at this level.

-Didn't really like keeping 7 WR but Janis is too vauable on special teams(our new Bush) and Davis has proven to be a play maker as a return man. Don't trust either as WRs though which is why I think they will keep 7.

-I would like to see Tripp make the team at MLB but think he'll be one of the last cuts and we go into the season with only 3 true MLB since we have other guys who can fill in their (Matthews, Burnett, Jones).

-Could also see Mays and Jones switching spots at RB depending how both play the upcoming weeks.

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[Fritz]

I saw the projections in the Urinal Scented today, and I wondered why they have Richard Rodgers as a lock. Could you go with two tight ends and keep, say, Christian Ringo instead? He seems to be on the outside looking in according to the Urinal, but he seems to have some pass-rushing potential. Better go with that than a TE who, as they say, is what he is? And couldn't Ringo do the same ST work that Rodgers would do, minus the hands?

[hoosier]

I saw the projections in the Urinal Scented today, and I wondered why they have Richard Rodgers as a lock. Could you go with two tight ends and keep, say, Christian Ringo instead? He seems to be on the outside looking in according to the Urinal, but he seems to have some pass-rushing potential. Better go with that than a TE who, as they say, is what he is? And couldn't Ringo do the same ST work that Rodgers would do, minus the hands?

Nah, I think RichRod is a lock. He's a serviceable TE if one of the other two get hurt, and he plays a key role on some of the ST units (including the hands team!). Cut him and he will sign elsewhere, and then when Kendricks breaks a leg you'll be scanning the waiver wires for someone not named Bostick.

[pbmax]

Can't play a two TE offense and cary only one TE.

[Fritz]

Can't play a two TE offense and cary only one TE.

Bennett and Kendricks?

[pbmax]

Bennett and Kendricks?

One backup I meant.

[Brandon494]

Can't play a two TE offense and cary only one TE.

Of course you can...Patriots did

[Brandon494]

Shit if we kept 3 in 2015 they probably would have another SB ring :sad:

[pbmax]

Its been a long week apparently. My math and logic skills have abandoned me. And typing and communication aren't in much better shape.

The final correction of my original point was that I don't think its wise to plan to run a lot of 2 TE offense without at least one backup. I doubt M3 wants less than 3 TE; he might want 4.

[Bretsky]

Shit if we kept 3 in 2015 they probably would have another SB ring :sad:

good point; we used that last roster spot well

[texaspackerbacker]

8 O linemen, 3 TEs, 7 WRs, 3 QBs, 3 Kicking game spec., 4 RBs, 1 FB, 6 D Linemen, 5 OLBs, 3 ILBs, 6 Corners, 5 Safetys - This position breakdown seems about right to me. We could easily keep 3 QBs and 7 WRs or maybe even 2 QBs and 8 WRs, and still do justice to all other position groups.

[pbmax]

Wilde has a roster out: http://host.madison.com/wsj/sports/football/professional/packers-rookie-draft-picks-talented-undrafted-rookies-complicate-decisions-on/article_4a36a9a9-bb59-5de0-bf3e-d9c8892ba74e.html

Locks
QB (2 or 3): Aaron Rodgers, Brett Hundley
RB (4 or 5): Ty Montgomery, Jamaal Williams, Aaron Ripkowsi
WR (6 or 7): Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, Davante Adams, Geronimo Allison, Jeff Janis
TE (3 or 4): Martellus Bennett, Lance Kendricks, Richard Rodgers.
OL (8 or 9): David Bakhtiari, Lane Taylor, Corey Linsley, Jahri Evans, Bryan Bulaga, Jason Spriggs, Kyle Murphy

Offense gets 24 or 25 spots, 20 claimed so far. 4 or 5 from bubble below. Wilde has Murphy, Janis, Allison and Ripper as Looking Good. Because I agree with him and they are logical picks, I have upgraded them to locks listed above.

Quarterbacks (need 1 roster, maybe PS)
On the bubble: Joe Callahan, Taysom Hill

Running backs (need 1 or 2)
On the bubble: Joe Kerridge, Aaron Jones, Devante Mays, Kalif Phillips, William Stanback

Wide receivers (need 1 or 2)
On the bubble: Trevor Davis, DeAngelo Yancey, Malachi Dupre, Max McCaffrey, Michael Clark, Montay Crockett, Colby Pearson

Tight ends (maybe 1)
On the bubble: Emanuel Byrd, Aaron Peck.

Offensive line (need 1 or 2)
On the bubble: Don Barclay, Kofi Amichia, Thomas Evans, Geoff Gray, Justin McCray, Lucas Patrick, Adam Pankey, Robert Leff.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I don't see any interesting position battles this year.

[pbmax]

Wilde Roster cont'd: http://host.madison.com/wsj/sports/football/professional/packers-rookie-draft-picks-talented-undrafted-rookies-complicate-decisions-on/article_4a36a9a9-bb59-5de0-bf3e-d9c8892ba74e.html

Defense: Gets 24 or 25, Specialists 3

Locks:
DL (5 or 6): Mike Daniels, Kenny Clark, Dean Lowry, Ricky Jean Francois
LB (9 or 10): Clay Matthews, Nick Perry, Jayrone Elliott, Kyler Fackrell, Joe Thomas, Jake Ryan, Blake Martinez
DB (10 or 11): Morgan Burnett, Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, Kentrell Brice, Josh Jones, Davon House, Damarious Randall, Quinten Rollins, Kevin King, Josh Hawkins
Specialists (3): Mason Crosby
Looking good: Brett Goode, Justin Vogel

That's 20 claimed spots for Defense. Need 4-5 more from bubble. Wilde had Biegel, Martinez and Ryan as looking good. Both ILBs had a good camp and will stick. Biegel might find out the rules of PUP early this year.

Wilde also had Hawkins, Evans and Gunter as looking good. They need another 2 CBs on his roster above the locks listed earlier to get to the now normal 6. I think Hawkins is #5 and put him above under locks.

Emphasis on hybrid safety play might change final numbers. I think Evans is a better prospect than Gunter and if they go safety heavy, he might be DB 10 (5 S, 5 CB) ahead of Gunter. Specialists are just a question of Goode's continued health and Vogel not getting more unpredictable.

Defensive line (need 1 or 2)
On the bubble: Montravius Adams, Christian Ringo, Brian Price, Izaah Lunsford, Calvin Heurtelou (bet my bottom dollar Adams gets IR)

Linebackers (need 2 or 3)
On the bubble: Vince Biegel, Jordan Tripp, Reggie Gilbert, Johnathan Calvin, Cody Heiman, Josh Letuligasenoa, Derrick Matthews, David Talley (bet that Biegel, unless ultra ready, starts on PUP)

Defensive backs (need 1)
On the bubble:: LaDarius Gunter, Marwin Evans, Demetri Goodson, Donatello Brown, Daquan Holmes, Lenzy Pipkins, Raysean Pringle, Aaron Taylor, Jermaine Whitehead (Gunter has been better in practice of late, and if they carry 6 CBs, which they have before, its his spot. But I think Evans is the better player overall)

Specialists (need 0)
On the bubble: Derek Hart (Hart only makes it if Goode collapses or gets hurt. Vogel has the job unless he falls to pieces and another functional punter becomes available. So he is essentially still auditioning for his job)

[Bretsky]

interesting on D; so many liked Gunter last year. I was listening to a Packer beat writer who's watched several practices compare CB's

He noted Gunter is the ultimate technician with a great attitude. But talent wise and speed wise he noted Hawkins is just much more talented and King is more talented than Hawkins as well

[Bretsky]

Montravius Adams is a lock; he's Ted's 3rd round draft pick. He'll make the team. Nuff said.

GB is also said to like his pass rushing ability.. as well

[texaspackerbacker]

Regarding Gunter, he did a fairly good job last year as the team's #1 Corner. It shouldn't be surprising that some people like him despite the lack of speed.

That Wilde roster above seems way off on the numbers by position. I wouldn't be surprised if we keep 3 QBs and the 4th on the practice squad. Wilde seems to think only 4 or 5 RBs including fullback? I really see all three draft picks making the team plus Montgomery and Ripkowski. The toughest cut will be WR. Of the 10 or so maybe worth keeping, I see them putting Dupre on the Practice Squad, making a choice between Davis and McCaffrey, and possibly keeping a total of 8 after the first week when Allison is available. For the O Line, they almost have to keep Barclay or Patrick (I hope Patrick), as there aren't any other trained centers after Linsley.

[Zool]

Montravius Adams is a lock; he's Ted's 3rd round draft pick. He'll make the team. Nuff said.

GB is also said to like his pass rushing ability.. as well

Unless they give him a redshirt year.

[pbmax]

https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/packers-vs-broncos-important-takeaways-for-green-bay-724?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter


Gilbert, who is trying to make the team as an outside linebacker, showed off his pass rush skills with a sack against the Broncos and Price, who has played well for most of the summer, did the same. However, both players may still be the victims of a numbers game.

At outside linebacker, the Packers are sure to keep five players before Gilbert, who would be the sixth guy at that spot assuming Vince Biegel is on the active roster. With the way he has produced as a pass rusher, Green Bay should think long and hard about keeping him, but sometimes, having only 53 spots means letting some good players go.

That could be the case for Price too. If the Packers keep six defensive lineman, he has a good chance, but with Kenny Clark, Mike Daniels, Ricky Jean-Francois, Dean Lowry and Montravius Adams all locks to make the team, it could get dicey for Price, who has put out some positive things on film all preseason long.

Getting down 53 players is never easy and for the Packers, with so many players competing for so few spots, the final cutdown, is going to involve some very difficult decisions.

I'd almost expect IR for Adams at this point, so Price has the door open I believe.

For Biegel, recent press indicates he might be ramping up to join practice, but it this also might simply be the weekly recitation that he isn't ready yet. It would be a tough call to start him on PUP, since he can't practice. But I don't know if they can carry a non-playing OLB for long. They are going to have to accommodate Allison too.

[Joemailman]

https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/packers-vs-broncos-important-takeaways-for-green-bay-724?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter



I'd almost expect IR for Adams at this point, so Price has the door open I believe.

For Biegel, recent press indicates he might be ramping up to join practice, but it this also might simply be the weekly recitation that he isn't ready yet. It would be a tough call to start him on PUP, since he can't practice. But I don't know if they can carry a non-playing OLB for long. They are going to have to accommodate Allison too.

This doesn't sound great for Biegel short-term:

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2017/8/25/16202662/vince-biegel-update-interview-espn-wisconsin-packers-olb-foot-needs-to-get-its-pop-back


On Friday, Biegel sat down with Jason Wilde and Mark Tauscher of ESPN Wisconsin to discuss his recovery, and he confirmed that as far as the bones of his foot go, everything is fully healed structurally. He then explained the final goal of his rehab before being cleared: “The biggest thing is being able to get the ‘pop’ back in the foot,” Biegel said.

What exactly does that ‘pop’ refer to? “It’s being able to take not just my body weight but the body weight of an NFL offensive lineman,” Biegel explained. As a 246-pound outside linebacker, Biegel will likely be facing offensive tackles more than 50 pounds heavier than him. Therefore, the strain on the muscles and tendons of the foot will need to be able to hold up under the stress of pushing off and engaging with those linemen.

Biegel, who currently remains on the Physically Unable to Perform list, is not dwelling on the possibility that he might start the regular season on the PUP and missing the first six games. “Whatever the process is, I’m not worried about it,” he said. “When I take the field for the Green Bay Packers, I want to make sure I’m 110% ready to go. (The trainers) have a great course of action for me to get back on the field.”

[pbmax]

Sounds like the bone has full reconnected but the Doc isn't seeing enough new bone growth to make him believe it will hold up yet. Rodgers went through same thing with his clavicle.

[Joemailman]

QB (2) Rodgers, Hundley
RB (5) Montgomery, Williams, Jones, Ripkowski, Kerridge
WR (6) Adams, Cobb, Davis, Janis, Nelson, McCaffrey
TE (3) Bennett, Kendricks, Rodgers
OL (9) Linsley, Evans, Patrick, Taylor, Barclay, Bakhtiari, Bulaga, Murphy, Spriggs

DL (6) Lowry, Clark, Daniels, Francois, Ringo, Price
ILB (3) Martinez, Ryan, Thomas
OLB (5) Elliott, Fackrell, Gilbert, Matthews, Perry
CB (6) Gunter, Hawkins, House, King, Randall, Rollins
S (5) Brice, Burnett, Clinton-Dix, Evans, Jones
ST (3) Crosby, Goode, Vogel

PUP: Biegel
IR: M. Adams
Suspended: Allison

PS: Pipkens, Amichia, McCray, Pankey, D. Mathews, Hill, Mays, Clark, Dupre, Yancey,

[Harlan Huckleby]

Biegel's rookie year is toast. Maybe special teams.

[Maxie the Taxi]

QB (2) Rodgers, Hundley
RB (5) Montgomery, Williams, Jones, Ripkowski, Kerridge
WR (6) Adams, Cobb, Davis, Janis, Nelson, McCaffrey
TE (3) Bennett, Kendricks, Rodgers
OL (9) Linsley, Evans, Patrick, Taylor, Barclay, Bakhtiari, Bulaga, Murphy, Spriggs

DL (6) Lowry, Clark, Daniels, Francois, Ringo, Price
ILB (3) Martinez, Ryan, Thomas
OLB (5) Elliott, Fackrell, Gilbert, Matthews, Perry
CB (6) Gunter, Hawkins, House, King, Randall, Rollins
S (5) Brice, Burnett, Clinton-Dix, Evans, Jones
ST (3) Crosby, Goode, Vogel

PUP: Biegel
IR: M. Adams
Suspended: Allison

PS: Pipkens, Amichia, McCray, Pankey, D. Mathews, Hill, Mays, Clark, Dupre, Yancey, I don't understand the two fullback thing.

[pbmax]

I don't understand the two fullback thing.

I agree. Less likely this year with 3 or 4 TEs, two of whom can block.

[Joemailman]

I don't understand the two fullback thing.

Special teams. I think he'll contribute more than any of the players I'm leaving out.

[Brandon494]

Half the league doesn't even carry a fullback anymore...zero chance we keep two imo

[Smidgeon]

Half the league doesn't even carry a fullback anymore...zero chance we keep two imo

They proved last year that logic is irrelevant.

[Brandon494]

They proved last year that logic is irrelevant.

How so?

[Brandon494]

Might be a stupid question but can we put Adams on PUP in case of injury and then on IR if we don't need him?

[Joemailman]

Might be a stupid question but can we put Adams on PUP in case of injury and then on IR if we don't need him?

No. He practiced a couple of days so he's ineligible for PUP.

[Joemailman]

How so?

Last year the Packers kept Ripkowski and activated Kerridge for 8 games. The Year before they kept Riplowski and Kuhn.

[Brandon494]

Last year the Packers kept Ripkowski and activated Kerridge for 8 games. The Year before they kept Riplowski and Kuhn.

Year before I understand but last year was more due to injuries at RB. Too much talent at other positions for us to carry two FBs but you never know I guess.

[mraynrand]

If Packers don't keep McCaffrey, by season's end he will be tearing it up for NE.

[Brandon494]

If Packers don't keep McCaffrey, by season's end he will be tearing it up for NE.

He's so overrated it's not even funny...

[mraynrand]

He's so overrated it's not even funny...

are you kidding? He fits the mold of what NE does with their little scrawny receivers. :)

[texaspackerbacker]

I think Price stays regardless of Adams. If Adams is IR, then it opens up one more for another position. No way for two fullbacks. I still think they keep all three RB draft picks and maybe cross train Mays as a backup FB. I've been thinking either McCaffrey OR Trevor Davis; I now think McCaffrey is gone and Davis stays. Yes, McCaffrey probably is overrated. We have to keep 3 TEs. From what I've seen, I'd elevate Rodgers over Kendricks. I think we keep 3 QBs and try to PS the 4th. Next week will determine who stays on the 53 between Callahan and Hill. Agreed, several of those backup O Linemen have looked pretty bad; Geoff Gray #74 has looked fairly decent but I doubt they keep him unless he can be a backup Center, though. I actually saw some good things from Spriggs in the NFL Network replay today - more bad than good still, but maybe not as bad as some are saying.

[pbmax]

Michael Cohen:


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIpFZjtWsAA_xmp.jpg:large

[pbmax]

I think Michael Cohen went to Office Depot last weekend and bought loose leaf paper with school supplies.

[pbmax]

If they keep Adams on the roster with virtually no camp they must think he will show up in pass rush in a big way second half of season.

I don't know how to choose between Mays and Jones. Williams can run, block and catch well. But Jones might be as good a runner and Mays is the best pass catcher back there.

[pbmax]

So Scout.com implemented a new web design this year. They have gone to more slide shows, though not quite as horrible as the old Bleacher Report site. They also disabled copy and past from the text of the article. This flummoxed me for almost a month, until I remembered the laptop can make a PDF from any page displayed.


Vogel punted seven times and averaged 46.9 yards in Thursday’s preseason finale vs. the Los Angeles Rams. Two other numbers should weigh heavily in Vogel’s favor when the Packers pick their 53-man roster on Saturday. First, Vogel averaged 4.60 seconds of hang time. Second, only three of his punts were returned for only 8 yards. Vogel’s first six punts averaged 4.81 seconds of hang time and resulted in minus-6 return yards.

http://scout.com/nfl/packers/Article/Backing-It-Up-Green-Bay-Packers-Rookie-RBs-Rush-Toward-Roster-Sp-106740511

If I were in a media company, I would give serious thought to mailing copies of the material out each week for subscriptions. Saturday Evening Post style.

[Fritz]

Well, thank goodness Vogel didn't shank two or three.

I guess he's the punter.

[texaspackerbacker]

Well, thank goodness Vogel didn't shank two or three.

I guess he's the punter.

They damn well better not dump him for some Schum clone.

Jones and Mays were getting worked into special teams - a good sign they will stay.

[HarveyWallbangers]

QB (2) - Aaron Rodgers, Brett Hundley
RB (5) - Ty Montgomery, Aaron Ripkowski, Jamaal Williams, Aaron Jones, Devante Mays
WR (5) - Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, Davante Adams, Trevor Davis, Jeff Janis
TE (3) - Martellus Bennett, Lance Kendricks, Richard Rodgers
OL (9) - David Bakhtiari, Lane Taylor, Corey Linsley, Jahri Evans, Bryan Bulaga, Don Barclay, Jason Spriggs, Kyle Murphy, Lucas Patrick
DL (6) - Mike Daniels, Kenny Clark, Dean Lowry, Ricky Jean-Francois, Montravius Adams, Christian Ringo
OLB (6) - Clay Matthews, Nick Perry, Ahmad Brooks, Kyler Fackrell, Jayrone Elliott, Reggie Gilbert
ILB (3) - Jake Ryan, Blake Martinez, Joe Thomas
CB (6) - Davon House, Damarious Randall, Quinten Rollins, Kevin King, Josh Hawkins, LaDarius Gunter
S (5) - Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, Morgan Burnett, Kentrell Brice, Josh Jones, Marwin Evans
ST (3) - Mason Crosby, Justin Vogel, Brett Goode

SUSP - Geronimo Allison
PUP - Vince Biegel

I think they'll keep Patrick or Brian Price until Allison returns. I lean towards Patrick because they may need a backup interior OL for the first game.

I have Fackrell, Elliott, and Gilbert making it, but if Gilbert makes it, it will probably be at the expense of Elliott or Fackrell. That would open a spot for Taysom Hill, Joe Kerridge, or one of the young WRs.

Guys that I'd like to see on the PS that I don't have making the final roster: QB Hill, WR Dupre, WR Yancey, WR Clark, OL Gray, DL Price

[vince]

QB (2) - Aaron Rodgers, Brett Hundley
RB (5) - Ty Montgomery, Aaron Ripkowski, Jamaal Williams, Aaron Jones, Devante Mays
WR (5) - Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, Davante Adams, Trevor Davis, Jeff Janis
TE (3) - Martellus Bennett, Lance Kendricks, Richard Rodgers
OL (9) - David Bakhtiari, Lane Taylor, Corey Linsley, Jahri Evans, Bryan Bulaga, Don Barclay, Jason Spriggs, Kyle Murphy, Lucas Patrick
DL (6) - Mike Daniels, Kenny Clark, Dean Lowry, Ricky Jean-Francois, Montravius Adams, Christian Ringo
OLB (6) - Clay Matthews, Nick Perry, Ahmad Brooks, Kyler Fackrell, Jayrone Elliott, Reggie Gilbert
ILB (3) - Jake Ryan, Blake Martinez, Joe Thomas
CB (6) - Davon House, Damarious Randall, Quinten Rollins, Kevin King, Josh Hawkins, LaDarius Gunter
S (5) - Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, Morgan Burnett, Kentrell Brice, Josh Jones, Marwin Evans
ST (3) - Mason Crosby, Justin Vogel, Brett Goode

SUSP - Geronimo Allison
PUP - Vince Biegel

I think they'll keep Patrick or Brian Price until Allison returns. I lean towards Patrick because they may need a backup interior OL for the first game.

I have Fackrell, Elliott, and Gilbert making it, but if Gilbert makes it, it will probably be at the expense of Elliott or Fackrell. That would open a spot for Taysom Hill, Joe Kerridge, or one of the young WRs.

Guys that I'd like to see on the PS that I don't have making the final roster: QB Hill, WR Dupre, WR Yancey, WR Clark, OL Gray, DL Price
Hard to argue with much of that. I'd put McCaffrey on the squad and Patrick and Kerridge to PS on offense. On defense, I'd put Tripp on the team and Adams on IR. Derrick Mathews and Donatello Brown to the PS.

[vince]

Calvin and Pipkens to the Practice Squad too but that's too many. Dump Gray and Dupre maybe.

Allison would move Mays to the PS and another guy with potential hits the street.

[texaspackerbacker]

No reason we can't keep the 4 RBs plus Ripkowski as well as 7 WRs (Nelson, Adams, Cobb, Janis, Davis, Yancey, and Clark the first week, with Clark going to the PS when Allison returns). 2 QBs, 3 TEs, 8 O linemen, 3 special teamers, 6 D Linemen (Daniels, Clark, Lowery, Price, Francois, Ringo with Adams IR), 5 OLBs (Matthews, Perry, Brooks, Elliot, either Fackrell or Gilbert), 3 ILBs, 6 Corners, 5 Safetys.

That's the 53 I project that we keep.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Hard to argue with much of that. I'd put McCaffrey on the squad and Patrick and Kerridge to PS on offense. On defense, I'd put Tripp on the team and Adams on IR. Derrick Mathews and Donatello Brown to the PS.

McCaffrey doesn't do much for me. He doesn't look natural catching punts. Both punts he caught last night were awkward catches from my view in the stands. He's like another Jared Abbrederis. Putting Adams and Tripp on IR is a good idea. Teams don't need to designate the player to return anymore and you can bring two guys off IR. However, I'm not clear on the rule. Does the player have to be on the 53 man roster first?

[Brandon494]

QB (2) - Aaron Rodgers, Brett Hundley
RB (5) - Ty Montgomery, Aaron Ripkowski, Jamaal Williams, Aaron Jones, Devante Mays
WR (5) - Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, Davante Adams, Trevor Davis, Jeff Janis
TE (3) - Martellus Bennett, Lance Kendricks, Richard Rodgers
OL (9) - David Bakhtiari, Lane Taylor, Corey Linsley, Jahri Evans, Bryan Bulaga, Don Barclay, Jason Spriggs, Kyle Murphy, Lucas Patrick
DL (6) - Mike Daniels, Kenny Clark, Dean Lowry, Ricky Jean-Francois, Montravius Adams, Christian Ringo
OLB (6) - Clay Matthews, Nick Perry, Ahmad Brooks, Kyler Fackrell, Jayrone Elliott, Reggie Gilbert
ILB (3) - Jake Ryan, Blake Martinez, Joe Thomas
CB (6) - Davon House, Damarious Randall, Quinten Rollins, Kevin King, Josh Hawkins, LaDarius Gunter
S (5) - Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, Morgan Burnett, Kentrell Brice, Josh Jones, Marwin Evans
ST (3) - Mason Crosby, Justin Vogel, Brett Goode

SUSP - Geronimo Allison
PUP - Vince Biegel

I think they'll keep Patrick or Brian Price until Allison returns. I lean towards Patrick because they may need a backup interior OL for the first game.

I have Fackrell, Elliott, and Gilbert making it, but if Gilbert makes it, it will probably be at the expense of Elliott or Fackrell. That would open a spot for Taysom Hill, Joe Kerridge, or one of the young WRs.

Guys that I'd like to see on the PS that I don't have making the final roster: QB Hill, WR Dupre, WR Yancey, WR Clark, OL Gray, DL Price

Take out Mays at RB and add another WR.

Also think they might IR Adams and keep Price.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Take out Mays at RB and add another WR.

Also think they might IR Adams and keep Price.

I think they'll keep all three rookie RBs. They showed more than the young WRs.

If no longer have to have the IR guy on the 53 man roster, then I agree. I'm unclear on that.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Assuming Biegel goes on PUP and they'll wait to sign Brooks, it looks like they have 8 more cuts to make.

http://packerswire.usatoday.com/2017/09/01/tracking-the-packers-roster-cuts-down-to-53-players/


Players released
– LS Derek Hart (released on Monday)
– RB William Stanback (released on Monday)
– WR Colby Pearson (released on Monday)
– DT Calvin Heurtelou (report)
– RB Kalif Phillips (report)
– CB Daquan Holmes (report)
– LB David Talley (report)
– TE Aaron Peck (report)
– OL Thomas Evans (report)
– S Aaron Taylor (report)
– OLB Johnathan Calvin (report)
– ILB Cody Heiman (report)
– G Geoff Gray (report)
– CB Raysean Pringle (report)
– DT Izaah Lunsford (report)
– QB Joe Callahan (report)
– TE Emanuel Byd (report)
– QB Taysom Hill (report)
– WR Malachi Dupre (report)
– LB Derrick Mathews (report)
– OL Adam Pankey (report)
– WR DeAngelo Yancey (report)
– CB Donatello Brown (report)
– WR Max McCaffrey (report)
– WR Michael Clark (report)
– DL Brian Price
– OLB Reggie Gilbert
– OL Kofi Amichia

Roster as it stands
QB (2): Aaron Rodgers, Brett Hundley

RB (4): Ty Montgomery, Jamaal Williams, Aaron Jones, Devante Mays

FB (2): Aaron Ripkowski, Joe Kerridge

WR (7): Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, Davante Adams, Jeff Janis, Trevor Davis, Geronimo Allison, Montay Crockett

TE (3): Martellus Bennett, Lance Kendricks, Richard Rodgers

OL (11): Bryan Bulaga, David Bakhtiari, Corey Linsley, Jahri Evans, Lane Taylor, Don Barclay, Jason Spriggs, Kyle Murphy, Lucas Patrick, Justin McCray, Robert Leff

DL (6): Mike Daniels, Kenny Clark, Dean Lowry, Ricky Jean-Francois, Christian Ringo, Montravius Adams

OLB (7): Clay Matthews, Nick Perry, Kyler Fackrell, Jayrone Elliott, Vince Biegel, Josh Letuligasenoa, Ahmad Brooks (pending signing)

ILB (4): Jake Ryan, Blake Martinez, Joe Thomas, Jordan Tripp

CB (8): Davon House, Damarious Randall, Quinten Rollins, LaDarius Gunter, Kevin King, Josh Hawkins, Demetri Goodson, Lenzy Pipkins

S (6): Morgan Burnett, Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, Kentrell Brice, Josh Jones, Marwin Evans, Jermaine Whitehead

ST (3): Mason Crosby, Justin Vogel, Brett Goode

[pbmax]

I am slightly incredulous Montay Crockett is on the roster formally.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Brooks get added to roster tomorrow and somebody drops, I assume

[Harlan Huckleby]

This is Silverstein's projection for end of day today

by Tom Silverstein 3:37 PM

ST (3)
K - Crosby
P - Vogel
LS - Goode


DEFENSE (25)
DL - (6) Daniels, Clark, Lowry, Adams, Jean Francois, Ringo
ILB - (4) Ryan, Martinez, Thomas, Tripp
OLB (4) Matthews, Perry, Fackrell, Elliott
CB - (6) House, Randall, Rollins, King, Gunter, Hawkins
S - (5) HHCD, Burnett, Brice, Jones, Evans


OFFENSE (25)
QB - (2) Rodgers, Hundley
RB - (5) Montgomery, Williams, Jones, Mays, Ripkowski
WR - (5) Nelson, Adams, Cobb, Davis, Janis
OL - (10) Bakhtiari, Taylor, Linsley, Evans, Bulaga, Spriggs, Murphy, Barclay, Patrick, McCray
TE - (3) Bennett, Kendrick, Rodgers

[pbmax]

Gilbert reportedly dropped. They must really believe in Fackrell. But he needs to let it loose.

Will be key to get Gilbert on PS.

[red]

Gilbert reportedly dropped. They must really believe in Fackrell. But he needs to let it loose.

Will be key to get Gilbert on PS.

sometimes people can admit their mistakes and cut the cord rather then compound the problem

in this case, TT and fat mike decided to compound the problem by keeping a higher drafted player (who shows nothing on the field) over a guy who looked a whole hell of a lot better this preseason

[Bretsky]

Gilbert reportedly dropped. They must really believe in Fackrell. But he needs to let it loose.

Will be key to get Gilbert on PS.

Ted won't cut his guy this early

[Bretsky]

QB (2) - Aaron Rodgers, Brett Hundley
RB (5) - Ty Montgomery, Aaron Ripkowski, Jamaal Williams, Aaron Jones, Devante Mays
WR (5) - Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, Davante Adams, Trevor Davis, Jeff Janis
TE (3) - Martellus Bennett, Lance Kendricks, Richard Rodgers
OL (9) - David Bakhtiari, Lane Taylor, Corey Linsley, Jahri Evans, Bryan Bulaga, Don Barclay, Jason Spriggs, Kyle Murphy, Lucas Patrick
DL (6) - Mike Daniels, Kenny Clark, Dean Lowry, Ricky Jean-Francois, Montravius Adams, Christian Ringo
OLB (6) - Clay Matthews, Nick Perry, Ahmad Brooks, Kyler Fackrell, Jayrone Elliott, Reggie Gilbert
ILB (3) - Jake Ryan, Blake Martinez, Joe Thomas
CB (6) - Davon House, Damarious Randall, Quinten Rollins, Kevin King, Josh Hawkins, LaDarius Gunter
S (5) - Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, Morgan Burnett, Kentrell Brice, Josh Jones, Marwin Evans
ST (3) - Mason Crosby, Justin Vogel, Brett Goode

SUSP - Geronimo Allison
PUP - Vince Biegel

I think they'll keep Patrick or Brian Price until Allison returns. I lean towards Patrick because they may need a backup interior OL for the first game.

I have Fackrell, Elliott, and Gilbert making it, but if Gilbert makes it, it will probably be at the expense of Elliott or Fackrell. That would open a spot for Taysom Hill, Joe Kerridge, or one of the young WRs.

Guys that I'd like to see on the PS that I don't have making the final roster: QB Hill, WR Dupre, WR Yancey, WR Clark, OL Gray, DL Price

KUDOS; great job with this

[Teamcheez1]

Why draft two WR's if you're going to turn around and cut them?

[Bretsky]

Why draft two WR's if you're going to turn around and cut them?

Assuming TT thought they were BPA with a good shot at making the team. I think both end up on the practice squad.

TT can't cut Janis due to his Special Team play. Neither of these WR's excelled there. And Davis might offer something on ST too.

[Joemailman]

So to summarize:


QB (2): Aaron Rodgers, Brett Hundley

RB (4): Ty Montgomery, Jamaal Williams, Aaron Jones, Devante Mays

FB (1): Aaron Ripkowski

WR (5): Jordy Nelson, Davante Adams, Randall Cobb, Jeff Janis, Trevor Davis

*Geronimo Allison must serve a one-game suspension

TE (3): Martellus Bennett, Lance Kendricks, Richard Rodgers

OL (10): Corey Linsley, Lane Taylor, Jahri Evans, David Bakhtiari, Bryan Bulaga, Don Barclay, Kyle Murphy, Jason Spriggs, Lucas Patrick, Justin McCray

DL (6): Mike Daniels, Dean Lowry, Kenny Clark, Ricky Jean Francois, Christian Ringo, Montravius Adams

LB (7): Clay Matthews, Nick Perry, Jake Ryan, Blake Martinez, Joe Thomas, Kyler Fackrell, Jayrone Elliott

*Vince Biegel to physically-unable-to-perform (PUP) list

CB (7): Davon House, Damarius Randall, Quentin Rollins, Kevin King, Josh Hawkins, LaDarius Gunter, Lenzy Pipkins

S (5): Ha-Ha Clinton-Dix, Morgan Burnett, Josh Jones, Kentrell Brice, Marwin Evans

ST (3): Mason Crosby, Justin Vogel, Brett Goode

Somebody has to go when they sign Brooks. I would think either Pipkens or McCray.

[Brandon494]

I like it, hope they bring in another OL though.

[Brandon494]

Who gets drops with Allison comes back? Mays?

[Brandon494]

Why draft two WR's if you're going to turn around and cut them?

The injury really screwed Dupree but you are right he should have went after OL or OLB with those picks.

[Brandon494]

Hope they sign Ahtyba Rubin from Seattle after they got Richardson and place Adams on IR.

[Joemailman]

Who gets drops with Allison comes back? Mays?

I think Pipkens or Patrick/McCray.

[red]

Assuming TT thought they were BPA with a good shot at making the team. I think both end up on the practice squad.

TT can't cut Janis due to his Special Team play. Neither of these WR's excelled there. And Davis might offer something on ST too.

we were already deep at WR, it was a waste of two picks IMO

just like spending 3 picks on running backs

this is were going BPA really fucks the team in the ass

[Joemailman]

I think Dupre in the 7th round was too good to pass up. I was never crazy about the Yancey pick .

[Smidgeon]

Who gets drops with Allison comes back? Mays?

Adam's to IR

[HarveyWallbangers]

KUDOS; great job with this

Probably the best I've done. If McCray or Pipkins gets dropped for Brooks, then I only missed on one (I had Gilbert instead of McCray/Pipkins).

[HarveyWallbangers]

I like this team. Like always, we'll need some things to go our way, but that's a good starting lineup.

[KYPack]

Probably the best I've done. If McCray or Pipkins gets dropped for Brooks, then I only missed on one (I had Gilbert instead of McCray/Pipkins).

Great job, Harve.

Wish the team would've made your call, I like gilbert better than the young corner

[KYPack]

I like this team. Like always, we'll need some things to go our way, but that's a good starting lineup.

Those young backs could turn out to be anything. They'll give us misery, but that's how you find young stars.

[texaspackerbacker]

Too damn many O Linemen - and none of them, not even the starters - are all that good. And they're useless special teams. We could have, and IMO should have, kept Yancey and/or Dupre an/or Clark. And cutting Brian Price? That's just stupid. They woulda been wiser to cross train Price or Ringo as O Linemen - they couldn't have been any worse than some of the clods we kept.

It will be interesting to see who ends up on the practice squad.

[Joemailman]

Too damn many O Linemen - and none of them, not even the starters - are all that good. And they're useless special teams. We could have, and IMO should have, kept Yancey and/or Dupre an/or Clark. And cutting Brian Price? That's just stupid. They woulda been wiser to cross train Price or Ringo as O Linemen - they couldn't have been any worse than some of the clods we kept.

It will be interesting to see who ends up on the practice squad.

I think one of the O-Linemen will be gone as soon as they feel Barclay can play. I think you'll see Price and at least 2 of those WR's on the PS.

[Bretsky]

Probably the best I've done. If McCray or Pipkins gets dropped for Brooks, then I only missed on one (I had Gilbert instead of McCray/Pipkins).

I gave you kudos for a great job before I even knew how close you were. In the end you were outstanding...and to be honest...I wish you were right. and we kept Gilbert

[Bretsky]

we were already deep at WR, it was a waste of two picks IMO

just like spending 3 picks on running backs

this is were going BPA really fucks the team in the ass


I'm not defending TT: I agree with you.
But I'd guess that's what he was thinking
Surprised one of the tree was not kept over some of those guys

[Bretsky]

DON"T BE SURPRISED IF WE PUT IN A WAIVER CLAIM OR TWO EITHER

[Pugger]

So to summarize:



Somebody has to go when they sign Brooks. I would think either Pipkens or McCray.


I suspect we'll put M. Adams on IR-designated to return and then add Brooks.

[Joemailman]

I suspect we'll put M. Adams on IR-designated to return and then add Brooks.

A player has to start the season on the active roster to be eligible to return from IR. Packers only have 4 OLB's right now, so they'll probably want Brooks active Week 1.

[pbmax]

A player has to start the season on the active roster to be eligible to return from IR. Packers only have 4 OLB's right now, so they'll probably want Brooks active Week 1.

That might be where Adams goes (IR-DTR) so it has to be CB or OL.

[pbmax]

Draft picks go in certain rounds because they meet certain criteria. Personnel guys don't forget that until you put up a large amount of film.

Fackrell might very well end up on an active roster if someone else rated him as highly as the Packer. And before you claim this is impossible, remember every other time you have made this claim and we got details later, you were wrong.

Gilbert was cut before Fackrell because they figure they can get him to the PS. I suspect they hope neither has to see the field on Defense right now. Gilbert looked good at times against backups and 3rd stringers, but he never made a move to get starting snaps.

And after the PS additions, Ted will change the roster again during Week 1. It never stays the same as on cutdown day.

[mraynrand]

Too damn many O Linemen - and none of them, not even the starters - are all that good. .

God this is a stupid take. Even fat boy McCray is not too bad. Main problem is who to plug in for bacteria when he gets hurt. They all get hurt - they're Packer People.

[pbmax]

DON"T BE SURPRISED IF WE PUT IN A WAIVER CLAIM OR TWO EITHER

Exactly.

[Teamcheez1]

I believe there is a certain strategy to keeping certain players on the active roster to start the season. They must have felt the OL and CB players they have were more at risk of being picked up or leaving if they left them exposed at this point in time. They may be factoring in depth/injuries into their decisions too. Whereas, the risk of losing the WR's was much less. Many teams will not be interested in players if they can't get them into their system immediately. They will keep their own players over someone else having to learn a new scheme. We also probably overvalue players at the bottom of the roster who are just not that good at this point in their career, and never will be.

[Joemailman]

DL: I'm thinking they sign Price or someone off the waiver/FA list to PS. After week 1 Adams goes to IR (making him return eligible) and Price/FA is promoted from PS.

OL: Carrying 10 right now because of injuries to Barclay and Patrick. If either player get green light from doctors, McCray is probably cut and added to PS, opening roster spot for Brooks. If they have to carry 10 OL into season, then Pipkens is cut and added to PS to make room for Brooks.

[woodbuck27]

So to summarize:



Somebody has to go when they sign Brooks. I would think either Pipkens or McCray.

I am happy to see a new Punter in Justin Vogel.

I'm surprised that Brett Hundley was kept; but he could be TT Trade bait !? I'm not impressed with his passing style and Hill grew in TC.

LaDarius Gunter must be wearing 'Sticky'. Please TT, find any decent CB to replace him ! :cry:

[RashanGary]

I am happy to see a new Punter in Justin Vogel.

I'm surprised that Brett Hundley was kept; but he could be TT Trade bait !? I'm not impressed with his passing style and Hill grew in TC.

LaDarius Gunter must be wearing 'Sticky'. Please TT, find any decent CB to replace him ! :cry:

I'm curious to see Gunter play the slot. His speed is less of a liability when there is a safety behind him. His instincts and savvy are more on display inside. Again, I'm interested to see him play in there. If he flops at that, yeah, wtf is going on? Why is he here? But I want to see first.

[pbmax]

If Packers don't keep McCaffrey, by season's end he will be tearing it up for NE.

They just traded a backup QB for a WR on the Colts (Philip Dorset). Seems they were more worried about the loss of Edelman than most observers.

[pbmax]

Ted won't cut his guy this early

He cut his 5th and 7th round picks. This is just the Ted's ego argument all over again.

[Bretsky]

He cut his 5th and 7th round picks. This is just the Ted's ego argument all over again.

Ted has never had issues cutting late rounders. It's a number game and when you have a bunch of draft picks later rounders will often get cut. One might argue the early rounders...1-3 should get a few years even if hey are outplayed. Agree with it or not, that is a value argument you agree or disagree with.

[smuggler]

He actually cut Yancey (5th), Amichia (6th), and Dupre (7th). Pretty impressive.

[Brandon494]

When is the deadline for roster claims?

[Joemailman]

When is the deadline for roster claims?

I think players with less than 4 years experience are on waivers for 24 hours after final cuts have to be in. Players with 4 years or more immediately become free agents once released.

[texaspackerbacker]

So Taysom Hill is gone now ....... but never fear, Ted managed to retain 10 big O Line lumps. s-h-i-i-i-t.

[Joemailman]

So Taysom Hill is gone now ....... but never fear, Ted managed to retain 10 big O Line lumps. s-h-i-i-i-t.

Probably not gone. Practice squad awaits.

Edit: You were right it will be Callahan here. Doesn't make much difference to me.

[Fritz]

He actually cut Yancey (5th), Amichia (6th), and Dupre (7th). Pretty impressive.

If he would just cut this year's first rounder it would prove that Ted really has no ego.

Do it, Ted!

[Joemailman]

Chris Odom:


Given his size, the Packers will likely play him on the edge at outside linebacker.

A corresponding roster move will need to be made to accommodate Odom’s arrival. The Packers released their initial 53-man roster on Saturday.

Odom was productive during his first NFL preseason, tallying 17 tackles, two sacks and a pass deflection over four games. He was particularly impressive in the Falcons’ preseason finale against the Jaguars (eight tackles, sack).

[Fritz]

Sounds promising. I wonder if he's promising enough to suck up a roster spot while learning the trade.

[Brandon494]

So Taysom Hill is gone now ....... but never fear, Ted managed to retain 10 big O Line lumps. s-h-i-i-i-t.

Hill is a 26 year old rookie...I'm not losing any sleep over losing out on a 3rd string QB

[Brandon494]

Was hoping we would claim some OL help but I'm pleased with adding a passing rushing prospect.

[Joemailman]

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Adams going to IR?

[pbmax]

Adams going to IR?

They need a total of two spots for Brooks and Odom. Trading Elliot gives them one, I though Adams was the other.

If they sign Dial, need one more.

[Brandon494]

Quinton dial signing would definitely give us another quality lineman...love what TT is doing.

[pbmax]

If you look up 5 tech in 3-4 body type, you get this guy's wikipedia page. He's 6' 5", 318. He signed a 3 year deal with San Fran in February of 2016.

Packers making hay on the 49ers going to a 4-3.

[Brandon494]

http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-roster-moves/article-1/Packers-sign-LB-Brooks-claim-LB-Odom-place-OL-Barclay-on-IR/55088b56-9bbc-490e-922a-830955c21f3f?campaign=sf111240575_FB__sf111240575&sf111240575=1&qwr=nomob


The Green Bay Packers signed LB Ahmad Brooks, claimed LB Chris Odom off waivers from the Atlanta Falcons, placed T/G Don Barclay on injured reserve and traded LB Jayrone Elliott to the Dallas Cowboys in exchange for a conditional draft choice. Additionally, the Packers signed the following players to the practice squad: G Kofi Amichia, CB Donatello Brown, QB Joe Callahan, WR Michael Clark, LB Reggie Gilbert, DT Izaah Lunsford, LB Derrick Mathews, G/T Adam Pankey, S Jermaine Whitehead and WR DeAngelo Yancey. The transactions were announced Sunday by Ted Thompson, Executive Vice President, Gener

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[Brandon494]

Barclay to IR

[Harlan Huckleby]

Barclay to IR

Why?

It seems like the past year they've been trying to squeeze blood out of this rock. Barclay was a borderline player who got a serious injury.

They've looked at 10 or more younger players since Barclay got hurt. Do none of them have any potential? I guess not.

Barclay is a very frayed security blanket. Moth eaten.

[pbmax]

Packer Report‏ @PackerReport 11m11 minutes ago
Don Barclay to IR is the move to sign Brooks.

So that is 9 O lineman. Barclay will be eligible to come back.

[pbmax]

Why?

It seems like the past year they've been trying to squeeze blood out of this rock. Barclay was a borderline player who got a serious injury.

They've looked at 10 or more younger players since Barclay got hurt. Do none of them have any potential? I guess not.

Barclay is a very frayed security blanket. Moth eaten.

Patler had a good post last year, that Barclay was horrible the year after his bad injury. But that prior to it, he looked like a viable Center and possible Guard. Last year, more than a year removed from the injury, he did not look like a tire fire, which was an absolute improvement.

I think he is a serviceable backup if healthy and recovered from the injury. But there is a definite question mark about his return from this one. No idea how serious it is.

[smuggler]

The year before his ACL, Barclay was a serviceable, below-average year-long starter at RT. He can play C and G. No, we do not want him in there, but he has experience and ability, if no potential. That's why he's on the team (now IR).

[Joemailman]

Packer Report‏ @PackerReport 11m11 minutes ago
Don Barclay to IR is the move to sign Brooks.

So that is 9 O lineman. Barclay will be eligible to come back.

So I read that a player must be on the roster at the start of the season to be eligible to return from IR. Was that wrong, or does the season officially start when teams turn in their first official roster on Saturday?

[pbmax]

So I read that a player must be on the roster at the start of the season to be eligible to return from IR. Was that wrong, or does the season officially start when teams turn in their first official roster on Saturday?

Not sure how rule reads, but reporters were all saying player had to be on roster past waiver claims today to be eligible.

[pbmax]

Elliot's Goodbye:

ayelliott91

So thankful for the @packers to take a chance on a kid from Cleveland. Thank you to Mr. Murphy, Ted Thompson and Coach McCarthy for letting me get my foot in the door. The organization, community, and fans have shown me nothing but love since day one! It's a blessing in disguise but gonna miss my brothers! Y'all know what it is... Dallas ya boy on the way! #GThang #TrustIT #14's #WeekFiveItsOn

https://www.instagram.com/p/BYmG1-nBP4m/

[Brandon494]

If the meeting with Dial goes well today I think we see Adams put on short term IR which would be the start move with him being a rookie and basically getting no reps or practice all camp.

[Brandon494]

Former teammate of newly acquired Brooks and played at Bama with Haha so hopefully Ted can work out the numbers to make it work.

[Joemailman]

If the meeting with Dial goes well today I think we see Adams put on short term IR which would be the start move with him being a rookie and basically getting no reps or practice all camp.

The problem though is Adams can't practice while on IR. He'll have gone over 3 months without practicing by the time he's eligible to come back. Besides, Adams practiced today, so I don't think they have plans to put him on IR.

[Rutnstrut]

Hill is a 26 year old rookie...I'm not losing any sleep over losing out on a 3rd string QB

He would be a far better #3 than Callahan.

[Joemailman]

He would be a far better #3 than Callahan.

If we have to find out, we're probably in trouble anyway. As is pretty much every other team.

[Patler]

Hill is a 26 year old rookie...I'm not losing any sleep over losing out on a 3rd string QB

Roger Staubach was a 27 year old rookie as I recall.
We could have always hoped ......:-)

[Fritz]

Not any more, we can't.

Unless the Saints cut him.

[Patler]

Not any more, we can't.

Unless the Saints cut him.

He's following the development path forged by Callahan! :-)
(I "fixed" my post anyway!)

[call_me_ishmael]

With the free agency acquisitions, I must say I think Ted has done a darn good job turning over the defensive roster. I really like the way the team is coming together. On paper they look like one of the better teams in the league. If Josh Jones becomes a premier MLB, this team could be really, really good.

I am almost wondering now if we play more base 3-4 and have Lowry, Dial and Clark as the DL, and then have Daniels come in on passing downs. Hard to argue with Dial and Lowry and that length on the edge.

[Harlan Huckleby]

He would be a far better #3 than Callahan.

nobody knows that. He is bigger, faster, stronger arm.

But the Litte Giant, he has that something special. Four NFL teams last year had a chance to see it up close.