Official Packers vs. Redskins Gameday Thread

[Joemailman]

Things to look for:

Kyler Fackrell. Do something. Please.

With House and Randall out, guys like Hawkins and Pipkens should get a lot of playing time. And Gunter needs to show he belongs.

Callahan and Hill continue their fight to try to force Packers to keep 3 QB's.

Jeff Janis has been getting some good press lately. Is it real?

Packers need to tackle. And run block. And don't fumble. And watch the pad level.

[esoxx]

Rodgers to start. Mildly surprising.

[Joemailman]

Josh Jones not playing.

[Joemailman]

Montgomery out.

[texaspackerbacker]

I want to see the O Line open some holes in the running game as well as, of course, do some excellent pass blocking. I want to see Jones and Mays show something as runners and everybody below the top three WRs, especially my guy, Janis, of course to get open and catch passes. I think Yancey is gonna be a good one too.

On D, fewer or no missed tackles would be good. I want to see Kevin King show he can lock down in man coverage - I wasn't impressed last week. Same for Hawkins.

[ThunderDan]

Monty with a soft tissue issue. Legiment damage?

[ThunderDan]

Packers on D to start.

[ThunderDan]

Nice run D to start.

[ThunderDan]

3 and out for the D.

[ThunderDan]

Davis muffs the punt. Washing ton ball deep in Packer territory.

[Joemailman]

Not good. Probably should have done fair catch.

[ThunderDan]

Good pressure on the play.

[Joemailman]

Hawkins!

[ThunderDan]

Hawkins beat off the line but got back to knock the ball out.

[Joemailman]

Nice job D.

[ThunderDan]

3 and out again for the D.

[KalamazooPackerFan]

D looked good, got some pressure but Davis is making every punt an adventure.

[ThunderDan]

Bennett with the drop.

[ThunderDan]

The replay monitor has a Visa logo on it. Why do you need a logo n the replay tablet?

[Rutnstrut]

Monty with a soft tissue issue. Legiment damage?

They are just saving him for the 2000 yards rushing he will get this season. Please note sarcasm.

[ThunderDan]

That run was a little better. Gain of 5 up the gut.

[ThunderDan]

Running gain looks competent.

[ThunderDan]

Good protection and pushing the rush inside. ARod with an easy scramble.

[ThunderDan]

Illegal hands to the face Washington.

[Joemailman]

Marty!

[ThunderDan]

Bennett with the red zone reception.

[alquaal]

Martysaraurus Rex!

[Joemailman]

Great drive even though the run blocking isn't great. Take a seat Aaron.

[Rutnstrut]

Yup free agency is over rated. Yes it's only preseason, but that is what they have sorely lacked in the red zone for a long time.

[ThunderDan]

The O looks good this week on the 1st drive.

Opposing Ds are going to have a hard time stopping that this season.

[KalamazooPackerFan]

Classic McCarthy/Rodgers drive.

[ThunderDan]

Daniels wth a nice tackle for a gain of 1.

[ThunderDan]

King with a good tackle there.

[ThunderDan]

Ha ha should have had a TD. Another 3 and out for the D.

[ThunderDan]

Bad throw by Cousins saves the Redskins from a pick 6. Ha Ha was all over that throw.

[Joemailman]

D giving up nothing. Daniels and Clark are a load.

[pbmax]

Michael Cohen‏ @Michael_Cohen13
Not playing for the #Packers:

Pearson
Dupre
Randall
J. Jones
House
Goodson
Stanback
Biegel
Barclay
Peck
Montgomery
M. Adams

[ThunderDan]

2nd string O is in.

[pbmax]

D giving up nothing. Daniels and Clark are a load.

I really think that kid can play. Maybe not All Pro for his entire career, but Pro Bowl performance.

[pbmax]

Bretsky asked who has been shining in camp. Forgot to mention this guy:

Ryan Wood‏ @ByRyanWood 3m3 minutes ago
You can tell game has slowed entirely for #Packers safety Ha Ha Clinton-Dix. He's everywhere, on time. A real menace for offenses.

[ThunderDan]

Loss of 3 on the screen.

[ThunderDan]

Jones showed a little burst on the reception.

[pbmax]

Ben Fennell‏ @BenFennell_NFL 2m2 minutes ago
Lance Kendricks split wide on opposite side too.. WAS stayed in base vs 12 personnel. Lance/Marty put you in a tough spot..

Love this development in red zone.

[ThunderDan]

Janis with the ST tackle.

[Joemailman]

Jamall Williams out when 2nd O goes in. Are they concerned enough about Monty that Williams only plays with starters?

[ThunderDan]

Ryan just stuffed the lead blocker on the run.

[ThunderDan]

Washington gets their first 1st down on the last play of the. 1st quarter.

[pbmax]

Pete Dougherty @PeteDougherty
Packers No. 2 OL left to right: Spriggs, Amichia, Patrick, McCray, Murphy

SPRIGGS gave up sack on first play

[ThunderDan]

Rollins with a TFL.

[pbmax]

Rollins!

Evans nice tackle.

[ThunderDan]

Pete Dougherty @PeteDougherty
Packers No. 2 OL left to right: Spriggs, Amichia, Patrick, McCray, Murphy

SPRIGGS gave up sack on first play

Not sure line blocked down and left blitzing player unblocked. Huntley has to get that out quickly.

[ThunderDan]

Great pressure from a 4 man rush.

[Joemailman]

Nice rush by Clark and Elliott.

[pbmax]

Fackrell, Clark and elliot all with pressure forcing throw away. Dream come true.

[pbmax]

Youngsters on line can move. Fackrell, Clark and Price took on WR screen.

[ThunderDan]

D held on 4th and 1.

[pbmax]

Ricky Jean and Clark lead a 4th down stop.

[bobblehead]

Ben Fennell‏ @BenFennell_NFL 2m2 minutes ago
Lance Kendricks split wide on opposite side too.. WAS stayed in base vs 12 personnel. Lance/Marty put you in a tough spot..

Love this development in red zone.

I've only been begging for this for 11 years. a TE who can block and catch...novel idea.

[Rutnstrut]

D held on 4th and 1.

That was nice.

[gbgary]

nice stop!

[pbmax]

Price in there before Donuts.

[pbmax]

McCarthy's play sheet has finally morphed to 2 pages. Sky's the limit now.

[Joemailman]

Love this defensive line.

[ThunderDan]

Good play action pass.

[pbmax]

Jones is a tub.

[ThunderDan]

Janis will a great catch and a great throw from Hundley.

[Joemailman]

Tex doing cartwheels in his living room.

[gbgary]

Janis! wth?!

[pbmax]

Janis with his other route!

SPRIGGS with near whiff.

[pbmax]

GERONIMO!!

[gbgary]

nice work for the TD.

[Joemailman]

Janis with his other route!

SPRIGGS with near whiff.

Spriggs is biggest disappointment so far this year.

[pbmax]

Jones with TD but Janis got free release on his slant. Nice formation on goal line.

[pbmax]

Spriggs is biggest disappointment so far this year.

Yep. And he is getting beat by speed. Should be his fleet footed competence.

[ThunderDan]

Great rush by Elliot.

[pbmax]

Nice route recognition by Martinez.

[ThunderDan]

Good coverage on a crossing route.

[Joemailman]

Yep. And he is getting beat by speed. Should be his fleet footed competence.

They say he put on quite a bit of weight, which he needed to do. Learning how to play with extra weight?

[gbgary]

perfect throw.

[pbmax]

That was perfect pass on wheel route. If you are Thomas you can't get much closer coverage.

[gbgary]

Lowery limping... not good.

[pbmax]

They say he put on quite a bit of weight, which he needed to do. Learning how to play with extra weight?

Either that or he is worried about inside and abandoning protecting outside. Might be over reaction to beat he had first weak inside.

[pbmax]

Not a catch.

[Joemailman]

That's a drop. Nice hit by Hawkins.

[pbmax]

Hawkins bring the wood. Tackling much better this week.

[ThunderDan]

D is looking good so far.

[pbmax]

Bad read he was off by one gap. Mays that time.

LOVE THE BUNCH FORMATIONS TONIGHT.

[Joemailman]

What have they done to Jeff Janis?

[ThunderDan]

Bad play by Janis there. He needs to come back and get that ball. A good CB probably picks that.

[pbmax]

Janis with third route. An out for a first down.

[pbmax]

Someone missed a block.

[pbmax]

Packers mad about the loss to Wash last year?

[Joemailman]

Someone missed a block.

Spriggs blocked inside. Mistake or bad design?

[ThunderDan]

Hundley needs to learn that when the other team blitzes you have to get the ball out quick.

[pbmax]

Spriggs blocked inside. Mistake or bad design?

I can see a double team in hole. But numbers were wrong. WR blocked an Edge and no one else there. Maybe forgot to motion?

[Joemailman]

Tough matchup for Whitehead. Blitz didn't get there.

[ThunderDan]

Good throw by Cousins. Whitehead needs to close that space down.

[Joemailman]

Thomas!

[pbmax]

Lowry with a knee.

[ThunderDan]

Not sure that Wash would go for it on 4th and goal in the regular season.

[gbgary]

why would they be playing so deep? stupid. hope it was a mix up.

[Joemailman]

My in depth Halftime summary. A Packerrrats Exclusive:

Good:

Aaron Rodgers
Jeff Janis
Marty Bennett
Clark
Fackrell
Elliott
Hawkins
McCarthy (won 2 challenges)

Bad:

Spriggs
Whitehead
Trevor Davis

[pbmax]

why would they be playing so deep? stupid. hope it was a mix up.

Two deep Wash WR plus one on goal line. King had to be deep but I don't like that zone coverage with a vet QB.

[ThunderDan]

Nice shake and bake by Allison.

[Joemailman]

Geronimo!

[Joemailman]

Spriggs got beat, but Hundley held ball too long.

[mraynrand]

Lowery limping... not good.

A Farewell to Arms.

[Joemailman]

Brice could start for some teams.

[ThunderDan]

3rd string O looking bad.

[Joemailman]

3rd string O looking bad.

Yep. That was ugly.

[pbmax]

SPRIGGS has got to pick it up. Wash D line not this good.

[Joemailman]

Nice coverage by Brown.

[ThunderDan]

Perrine looking good for Wash.

[ThunderDan]

Good tackle by Evans. That could have gone for a long gain.

[gbgary]

perine... the guy I hoped we were drafting back in the spring.

[ThunderDan]

Turn around.

[gbgary]

terrible coverage.

[Joemailman]

Turn around.

Tough matchup though. TE should win that battle.

[gbgary]

the elderly Vernon Davis getting open earlier in the game was pretty bad too.

[ThunderDan]

Spriggs beat again.

[pbmax]

Did SPRIGGS suffer an undiagnosed concussion in July?

[gbgary]

didn't see the number ones but the pass blocking hasn't been good either.

[pbmax]

Pipkins should make the team as dime CB and backup ILB.

[ThunderDan]

Perine with another good run.

[Rutnstrut]

Did SPRIGGS suffer an undiagnosed concussion in July?

He's a quality player. Otherwise Ted wouldn't keep him and let others go.

[mraynrand]

Fackrell versus Spriggs in practice probably not helping either player get better.

[pbmax]

No kidding. But Fackrell isn't winning then either.

[pbmax]

Very Lacy like run by Phillips there.

[ThunderDan]

Good push from the 4th string O-line.

[pbmax]

Ryan Wood @ByRyanWood
#Packers CB LaDarius Gunter and LB Derrick Mathews are being evaluated for concussions

[pbmax]

Ryan Wood @ByRyanWood
#Packers ILB Jordan Tripp is being evaluated for a concussion.

[ThunderDan]

McCafrey is dinged on the punt return.

[Joemailman]

McCaffrey nice return. His ticket to the roster?

[Joemailman]

Ryan Wood @ByRyanWood
#Packers CB LaDarius Gunter and LB Derrick Mathews are being evaluated for concussions

Did they go back to leather helmets?

[ThunderDan]

Good catch by Jains.

[Joemailman]

Mays has some speed for a big guy.

[ThunderDan]

4th string O-line is playing hard.

[ThunderDan]

TD Hill, Aaron who?

[Rutnstrut]

That was fucking sweet!!!! Hill needs to be on this team.

[Joemailman]

He's like a kid out there!

[ThunderDan]

That was fucking sweet!!!! Hill needs to be on this team.

Are we going to keep 1 RB this year to carry 4 QBs on the roste?

[Joemailman]

That was fucking sweet!!!! Hill needs to be on this team.I seriously think they should see if he can be a returner.

[Rutnstrut]

He's like a kid out there!

He is fun to watch play. It seems as the other two back ups are a little too comfortable.

[Rutnstrut]

Are we going to keep 1 RB this year to carry 4 QBs on the roste?

Cut Calahan or trade Hundley.

[pbmax]

4th O line runs student body middle very well.

[ThunderDan]

Clark sighting.

[Rutnstrut]

Finally a decent punter?

[RashanGary]

I didn't watch the game. But the clips of the Hundley/Janis throw. Wow. Hundley just put out a perfect pass and you can the confidence when he releases it. Very in control. Accurate. He might be able to play in the NFL. Damn.

Maybe Janis is learning to play WR!

Glad to hear Clark and Daniels are so stout inside. If we can be really strong inside there, that will be huge for our defense!

Can't wait till week 1!!!!!

[ThunderDan]

Brown has pro make the int there.

[ThunderDan]

How was that not a hold on Wash?

[gbgary]

Packers backup backup d trying to blow the game.

[gbgary]

and the defensive dagger.

[call_me_ishmael]

Save to say Janis isn't getting cut. He is quietly putting together a nice off-season. Is this year 3 or 4 for him?

[RashanGary]

Save to say Janis isn't getting cut. He is quietly putting together a nice off-season. Is this year 3 or 4 for him?

I'm actually, for the first time, happy he's on the team. Great ST player and now he looks like a serviceable WR.

[Bretsky]

I've only been begging for this for 11 years. a TE who can block and catch...novel idea.

Plodder can block and catch; he just runs a 9.3 forty

[Joemailman]

Rodgers indicated he'll play more next week at Denver.

Don't know how long starters will play. Hope Denver takes Von Miller out before Spriggs gets in.

[Joemailman]

Studs:

Aaron Rodgers
Jeff Janis
Marty Bennett
Clark
Elliott
Hawkins
Hill
Pipkins

Duds:

Spriggs
Whitehead
Trevor Davis
Callahan

[mmmdk]

Save to say Janis isn't getting cut. He is quietly putting together a nice off-season. Is this year 3 or 4 for him?

I seem to recall Lynn Dickey throwing to Jeff Janis.

[gbgary]

Save to say Janis isn't getting cut. He is quietly putting together a nice off-season. Is this year 3 or 4 for him?

i think he sticks too. hate to admit it though.

[mraynrand]

Bacteria looked good. He's not the biggest and strongest LT, but he has great feet and good leverage. No one seems to get by him, even if they crunch the pocket a little from time to time.

[texaspackerbacker]

I finally got to watch the game this morning on NFL Network.

Josh Hawkins made some good plays, but he also got picked on and beat a lot. If he is our 4th, 5th, or 6th Corner, fine, but he needs to improve more to not be a weakness. We've got a LOT of fairly decent Corners, several of whom won't even make the team. What we really need is for somebody - Kevin King - to stand out from the crowd. I'd say the jury is still out on that. He too looked good at times but gave up some completions to some pretty average receivers.

Others I thought looked surprisingly good: Price and maybe Ringo in the D Line, Fackerell and Elliot (he's not a surprise for me) at OLB, Evans again at Safety, Donatello Brown at Corner, Taysom Hill (but he didn't seem as good on film as he looked just on the stat sheet), Aaron Jones, Geronimo Allison - quicker than I remembered him, that's about it.

Minor disappointments: Callahan, maybe Jamal Williams although he didn't get any blocking, the first and maybe second string O Lines, Yancey - after a good game last week, Trevor Davis - I see McCaffrey's only chance to make the team displacing Davis, and he's making progress toward doing that, Martellis Bennet - one good catch, one drop, Kendrick - are they not targeting him? Or is he just not getting open? That's all I can think of.

A lot more to be happy with than not.

[Rutnstrut]

Bacteria looked good. He's not the biggest and strongest LT, but he has great feet and good leverage. No one seems to get by him, even if they crunch the pocket a little from time to time.

But if he goes down they are screwed.

[mraynrand]

But if he goes down they are screwed.

pretty much

[Joemailman]

Lowry's injury looks like a hyperextension. http://packerswire.usatoday.com/2017/08/20/packers-dl-dean-lowry-injures-knee-against-redskins/. At the :08 mark.

[pbmax]

It would be a hard call if Janis wasn't one of the top 2 ST'ers.

Since he is, he's on the roster.

[ThunderDan]

But if he goes down they are screwed.


pretty much

How many teams have multiple all-pro LTs on their squads?

[pbmax]

The Packers are in better shape at tackle than in 2015 when Bach was hurt. Bulaga and Murphy could man the position there as well as Spriggs.

That year they had Sitton trying to fill in. I don't remember who the first backup was that year.

[Smidgeon]

The Packers are in better shape at tackle than in 2015 when Bach was hurt. Bulaga and Murphy could man the position there as well as Spriggs.

That year they had Sitton trying to fill in. I don't remember who the first backup was that year.

Barclay, Sitton, Tretter, wasn't it?

[Rutnstrut]

Barclay, Sitton, Tretter, wasn't it?

I think so, and Tretter did pretty good.

[Zool]

I think so, and Tretter did pretty good.

Tretter will be sorely missed at some point this year.

[yetisnowman]

The depth and skill level on defense and the o line is a concern. Especially D. A lot of young unproven guys, and every year lately it seems like we have a defense that's not athletic, not physical, and not imposing. Always relying on smoke and mirrors, never a true threat. A-rod will have another stellar season. But it's hard for me to really buy in to our 53 man roster and their capability of winning a championship.

[mraynrand]

How many teams have multiple all-pro LTs on their squads?

Who said they needed that? It's just that the drop off from Bac ain't good.


The Packers are in better shape at tackle than in 2015 when Bach was hurt. Bulaga and Murphy could man the position there as well as Spriggs.

'could' - yes they could. The reason I and others think they are screwed is because Spriggs looks like a turnstile. Now, if Murphy is competent, they could survive, but we don't know. He's a question mark. Do people really think at this point Bulaga can step in at LT? He's solid, but RT is his position. I don't think he has that flexibility to go LT. Sure they're better off than having to plug Sitton in there, but so what? Better enough that they can afford to let whomever is in there go one on one? We know Stubby loves 'next man up' and will watch Rogers get killed for at least a half or so rather than change his offense (se at AZ, regular season 2015 if you don't believe me).

I will admit that it's kind of banal to say "If Bac goes down we're screwed" because yeah, most teams will struggle if they have a solid to dominant LT go down (P.S. Seattle: Ha Ha!). As TD so smartly points out, teams can't stockpile all-pro LTs.

[mraynrand]

Tretter will be sorely missed at some point this year.

How many teams have multiple all-pro centers on their squads?

[hoosier]

Lowry's injury looks like a hyperextension. http://packerswire.usatoday.com/2017/08/20/packers-dl-dean-lowry-injures-knee-against-redskins/. At the :08 mark.

Demovsky reports that it's not serious. Translation: he'll be day to day for the first half of the season.

[pbmax]

How many teams have multiple all-pro centers on their squads?

Apparently the Packers last year.

[mraynrand]

Apparently the Packers last year.

:)

[Fritz]

Demovsky reports that it's not serious. Translation: he'll be day to day for the first half of the season.

We are on to how to read and interpret Packer reporting on injuries.

Montgomery - IR until after midseason.

Josh Jones - gone for the year

Randall - day to day for the first half of the season, like Lowry.

[hoosier]

We are on to how to read and interpret Packer reporting on injuries.

Montgomery - IR until after midseason.

Josh Jones - gone for the year

Randall - day to day for the first half of the season, like Lowry.

You forgot Matthews, who will be placed on Preventive IR until December.

[pbmax]

You forgot Matthews, who will be placed on Preventive IR until December.

I've heard worse suggestions.

[pbmax]

Fantasy podcast speculation about Monty is that soft tissue injury is linked to sickle cell trait.

Apparently that trait leads to injuries you don't always see elsewhere, whether at altitude or not. Also affected Josh Brown of Arizona.

Take this with a grain of salt though because every FF expert out there is trying to draft Jamaal Williams and look smart doing it before he is named starter apparently.

[Zool]

How many teams have multiple all-pro centers on their squads?

4?

I just think Tretter should have been retained even over Lang.