Ahman Brooks coming for a visit

[Cheesehead Craig]

He may have one season left in the tank. If he's signed, who's on the outs for the roster? What does it say about Elliott and Biegel?

[Brandon494]

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2017/8/27/16211630/packers-ahmad-brooks-visit-tuesday-free-agent-nfl-2017

[Brandon494]

He may have one season left in the tank. If he's signed, who's on the outs for the roster? What does it say about Fackrell?

Fixed

[Joemailman]

It's probably a combination. Fackrell's play. Elliott's back. Biegel's foot.

I don't know if TT would give up on a 3rd round pick after just one year. It hasn't happened yet.

[Joemailman]

49ers switched to a 4-3 this year making Brooks expendable. Git er done TT!

[red]

It's probably a combination. Fackrell's play. Elliott's back. Biegel's foot.

I don't know if TT would give up on a 3rd round pick after just one year. It hasn't happened yet.

he gave up on a 4th rounder after 1 year and some change with mcmillian

[pbmax]

I doubt they are done with Fackrell. Both Biegel and Perry were both on everyone's roster prior to Saturday night. Both are injured now.

Glad they called him, hope there is something in the tank. But even if all he does is hold an edge it could work.

Packer Report mentions that Brooks was moved out of position as off the ball OLB in their switch this year to a 4-3 from the 3-4. Brooks had good success in the 3-4 under Fangio, who learned it from Capers. So learning curve will be light.

http://scout.com/nfl/packers/Article/Packers-Look-to-Ahmad-Brooks-to-Bolster-OLB-Corps-106562367

[pbmax]

Brandon's link says that Elliot aggravated his back Saturday night. Did he come out and stay out because of it?

PackerWire, which at this point is the best online source of actual, findable information about the Packers, says Elliot indeed aggravated his back and left, leading to Gilbert coming and staying in.

So my theory is that Elliot might be the odd man out if he will need weeks to recover fully.

Before anyone jumps off the cliff at Fuckdoggle Falls though, Packer Report seems to think Elliot's night ending early was as much preventative as anything else, if I am reading between the lines correctly.

[pbmax]

Holy crap, Brooks has a case open from 2015 for sexual assault. He also was accused (no charges filed) of smashing a beer bottle over a teammates head in 2013. 2008 while with Bengals he was charged with fourth degree assault but charges were later dropped. He was also dismissed from the Virginia football team and entered the NF: via the supplemental draft.

http://packerswire.usatoday.com/2017/08/27/should-the-packers-add-veteran-olb-ahmad-brooks/

Underwood might think he is Packer People at this point.

[Harlan Huckleby]

He also was accused (no charges filed) of smashing a beer bottle over a teammates head in 2013.

boys will be boys

[Joemailman]

Holy crap, Brooks has a case open from 2015 for sexual assault. He also was accused (no charges filed) of smashing a beer bottle over a teammates head in 2013. 2008 while with Bengals he was charged with fourth degree assault but charges were later dropped. He was also dismissed from the Virginia football team and entered the NF: via the supplemental draft.

http://packerswire.usatoday.com/2017/08/27/should-the-packers-add-veteran-olb-ahmad-brooks/

Underwood might think he is Packer People at this point.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/49ers/2015/08/26/ahmad-brooks-ray-mcdonald-charge-indictment/32444959/

From August 26, 2015:


San Francisco 49ers linebacker Ahmad Brooks and former Niners defensive end Ray McDonald will face charges stemming from an incident last December in which a woman claims she was raped by McDonald.

A grand jury in Santa Clara County, Calif. on Wednesday indicted McDonald on one charge of raping an intoxicated person.

Prosecutors on the same day charged Brooks with misdemeanor sexual battery. The woman filed a civil lawsuit against Brooks earlier this year claiming that he touched her in a sexual manner on the same night she says she was assaulted by McDonald.

The charges against McDonald were dismissed earlier this year when the woman refused to testify.

[KYPack]

Brooks is super strong and has big time athleticism.

He was in town here and is real close to certifiably nuts.

So are a lot of NFL players.

Several Bengal coaches couldn't handle him, which lead to him getting his mail in SF.

[Brandon494]

Brooks is super strong and has big time athleticism.

He was in town here and is real close to certifiably nuts.

So are a lot of NFL players.

Several Bengal coaches couldn't handle him, which lead to him getting his mail in SF.

Need those type of players on defense sometimes...I'll take him on a one year deal. I'm not hiring the guy to baby sit my kids here haha

[Joemailman]

In addition, Brooks still is facing sexual battery charges stemming from a 2014 incident at former 49ers teammate Ray McDonald’s home. According to the Santa Clara County District Attorney’s office, a pretrial motion is scheduled for Sept. 29 at which point a trial date will be set.

This does complicate things a bit. Not crazy about bringing in a guy who will be dealing with this during the season. I imagine the Packers are trying to find out everything they can about this situation. The alleged victim refused to testify against McDonald, which probably means he paid her off. Could the same thing happen here?

[mraynrand]

Can Ahmad Green show him around town?

[texaspackerbacker]

I'm all for bringing him in for a look, and if his skill level hasn't faded much, sign him. The craziness thing shouldn't be a problem if it can get channeled the right way. The charges against him sound like a hooker who didn't get paid until she filed on the players.

My guy Elliot didn't do much against the Broncos, maybe because of the injury; Fackrell is a project at best; The two starters are obviously injury prone. Gilbert and Calvin have both looked decent to me, but I think they have pretty low ceilings. And I'll be surprised if Biegel isn't on the PUP.

[Bretsky]

Doesn't take a rocket Scientist to see our cup is not too full with depth and talent at LB. I always liked Wayne Simmons. Maybe he brings in the same kind of toughness.

One year deal; get it done TT

[call_me_ishmael]

Doesn't take a rocket Scientist to see our cup is not too full with depth and talent at LB. I always liked Wayne Simmons. Maybe he brings in the same kind of toughness.

One year deal; get it done TT

This is exactly right.

[hoosier]

Can Ahmad Green show him around town?

No, Ahman Carroll has already been assigned that task.

[mraynrand]

No, Ahman Carroll has already been assigned that task.

Old news. Ahman Rashad tweeted this yesterday.

[Harlan Huckleby]

All the talk in this forum about "packer people" and you want to bring in a certified maniac who attacks wives and team mates? Oh, and he is uncoachable. Morons.

What would Reggie White say? What would Randy Wright say? What would Betty White say?

[Teamcheez1]

Desperate times call for desperate measures.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Too bad Aaron Hernandez hung himself - the team is desperate for a tough TE not afraid to go over the middle.

[mraynrand]

All the talk in this forum about "packer people" and you want to bring in a certified maniac who attacks wives and team mates? Oh, and he is uncoachable. Morons.

What would Reggie White say? What would Randy Wright say? What would Betty White say?

Pretty certain: go fuck yourself.

[mraynrand]

Too bad Aaron Hernandez hung himself - the team is desperate for a tough TE not afraid to go over the middle.

I see, now a visit from a rough character equates to bringing in a murderer. Thanks for the hyperbole.

[KYPack]

Tex, this boy is pretty nuts. He is good, tho. He can fill in at Mike in a pinch and is a solid run defender wherever he plays. Lost a step at PR, but must be accounted for. He is hard to handle and moody. A real coin flip type of cat. A solid player who might start beating the shit out of somebody on the bus. Has threatened coaches in the past. We need troops, maybe he has mellowed a little.

[Brandon494]

Y'all are overreacting...this locker room is strong enough to bring him in and it's only a one year deal if it happens.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Y'all are overreacting...this locker room is strong enough to bring him in and it's only a one year deal if it happens.

This theory applies to any and every player who might be brought in.
Are you OK with signing Kapernick?

The argument being made here is that Brooks' behavior is not so bad. He didn't murder anybody. Just a wife beater with crazy violent tendencies.

[Rutnstrut]

This defense needs some tough, nasty characters to help even out the pussys that Ted looks for. But he will probably come in and snarl and scare old Ted back into his safe place.

[mraynrand]

This theory applies to any and every player who might be brought in.
Are you OK with signing Kapernick?

Can he sack the QB on one knee?

[3irty1]

Put the violent maniac at ILB. Its less of a need, but it'll provide the Ray Lews -> Haloti Ngata effect.

[pbmax]

Put the violent maniac at ILB. Its less of a need, but it'll provide the Ray Lews -> Haloti Ngata effect.

Ezekiel Elliot isn't a FA.

[Fritz]

This defense needs some tough, nasty characters to help even out the pussys that Ted looks for. But he will probably come in and snarl and scare old Ted back into his safe place.

I'm going to tell Mike Daniels you said that.

[Rutnstrut]

I'm going to tell Mike Daniels you said that.

Mike can't be the only bad ass. it will take 3 or 4 to even out Clay and the other pansies.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Football is a violent sport. They called Jack Tatum "The Assassin." But that doesn't mean you want Lee Harvey Oswald as your starting safety.

You want aggression. But not unrepentant wife beater aggression.

The idea that "the locker room" is going to keep some beast in check is ridiculous. I think team chemistry matters, and crazies are not worth it. Well, on the field crazy is negotiable.

[mraynrand]

Football is a violent sport. They called Jack Tatum "The Assassin." But that doesn't mean you want Lee Harvey Oswald as your starting safety.

deep

[RashanGary]

All the talk in this forum about "packer people" and you want to bring in a certified maniac who attacks wives and team mates? Oh, and he is uncoachable. Morons.

What would Reggie White say? What would Randy Wright say? What would Betty White say?

What's would anyone white say

[Brandon494]

This theory applies to any and every player who might be brought in.
Are you OK with signing Kapernick?

The argument being made here is that Brooks' behavior is not so bad. He didn't murder anybody. Just a wife beater with crazy violent tendencies.

If you really comparing what Kapernick did to Brooks? :cnf:

End of the day we aren't the law, Packer Peolpe PR crap can only go so far. Not like we are the Cowboys or Bengals....it's football, can't waste Rodgers prime years because we are afraid to sign rough necks on defense.

[Brandon494]

With news that Perry and Clay are banged up I'll be pissed if we don't sign him...this is a huge need!

[pbmax]

FAs normally go to the first team who has given them the idea that they will meet (or come closest) to their contract desire.

So this probably means the Packers have a legit shot and interest in signing him. Otherwise, he would be flying to Denver.

[mraynrand]

End of the day we aren't the law

No, Roger Goodell is.

[Bretsky]

With news that Perry and Clay are banged up I'll be pissed if we don't sign him...this is a huge need!


BINGO: this is such a no brainer I'm not even sure TT can f'ck the signing up.

I don't think he leaves GB w/o a deal

[mraynrand]

With news that Perry and Clay are banged up...

Who knew? Someday Clay Matthews should be in the Phantom of the Opera - he can play the chandelier.

[Harlan Huckleby]

If you really comparing what Kapernick did to Brooks? :cnf:

End of the day we aren't the law, Packer Peolpe PR crap can only go so far. Not like we are the Cowboys or Bengals....it's football, can't waste Rodgers prime years because we are afraid to sign rough necks on defense.

What Kap did is obviously nothing of the sort. He expressed unpopular political opinions.
But the effect is similar - both could cause some disunity on the team and controversy with fans.

I wouldn't sign Kap, even if he fit a need. I respect the opinion he expressed and his integrity, even if I don't agree with him. But I wouldn't want to deal with the negatives.

I wouldn't sign Brooks either, he seems like a criminal. Don't need that negativity on team.

[Joemailman]

I wouldn't sign Brooks either, he seems like a criminal. Don't need that negativity on team.

Oh come on. All he did was touch her in a sexual manner. A famous person once said if you're a star they let you do that.

[mraynrand]

Oh come on. All he did was touch her in a sexual manner. A famous person once said if you're a star they let you do that.

Miley Cyrus? Katie Perry?

http://www.kuzutv.com/thumbs/640x360/ed34a83e0-1.jpg

[mraynrand]

Paul Rudd? This seems all too common.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/02/27/article-1361091-0D60CC7F000005DC-292_468x380.jpg

[red]

so, clay is also injured it seems

some mystery injury that happened with no contact in the game, no one is saying what it is, just that he got hurt

thats just great

glass joe #1 goes down along with #2

[Joemailman]

so, clay is also injured it seems

some mystery injury that happened with no contact in the game, no one is saying what it is, just that he got hurt

thats just great

glass joe #1 goes down along with #2

Best to get it out of the way early.

[Rutnstrut]

They should have got rid of Clay a year ago.

[Harlan Huckleby]

A famous person once said if you're a star they let you do that.

You don't got to be famous. Here, smell my fingers.

[KYPack]

The guy is a little off, but he isn't another Charles Haley or anything.

Didn't know that both OLB's were out.

We could use an extra asshole or two, let's sign him.

[bobblehead]

You don't got to be famous. Here, smell my fingers.

TAKE IT TO....oh god, I don't even know where this belongs.

[red]

If you really comparing what Kapernick did to Brooks? :cnf:

End of the day we aren't the law, Packer Peolpe PR crap can only go so far. Not like we are the Cowboys or Bengals....it's football, can't waste Rodgers prime years because we are afraid to sign rough necks on defense.

we are literally looking for and in need of an asshole who wants to beat the shit out of people for a living

the ones that are good at that usually aint peter pan

[pbmax]

we are literally looking for and in need of an asshole who wants to beat the shit out of people for a living

the ones that are good at that usually aint peter pan

Can we just settle for Rufio?

[Fritz]

we are literally looking for and in need of an asshole who wants to beat the shit out of people for a living

the ones that are good at that usually aint peter pan

However, I was always under the impression that Peter Pan enjoyed assholes.

[hoosier]

However, I was always under the impression that Peter Pan enjoyed assholes.

Take it to the Garbage Can.

[pbmax]

Demovsky
Packers hope to sign Ahmad Brooks but he's no longer in town, I'm told. Unclear if he has other visits or is just pondering an offer at this point.

He also had interest from Denver.

[Freak Out]

Fuck.

[Rutnstrut]

Demovsky
Packers hope to sign Ahmad Brooks but he's no longer in town, I'm told. Unclear if he has other visits or is just pondering an offer at this point.

He also had interest from Denver.

In other words Ted fucked up yet again.

[gbgary]

he is signed! 1 year, up to $5m deal.

[pbmax]

man, Gary was fast with that. I just saw it pop up.

Ian Rapoport‏Verified account
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The #Packers are signing LB Ahmad Brooks to a 1-year deal that can be worth up to $5M, source said. Another(!) GB free agent signing coming.


But who the holy heck is the other dude?

[Tony Oday]

man, Gary was fast with that. I just saw it pop up.

Ian Rapoport‏Verified account
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The #Packers are signing LB Ahmad Brooks to a 1-year deal that can be worth up to $5M, source said. Another(!) GB free agent signing coming.


But who the holy heck is the other dude?

Joe Haden

[mraynrand]

he is signed! 1 year, up to $5m deal.

In other words, Ted *ucked up again.

[pbmax]

Joe Haden

I *think* Ian is just expressing surprise at another FA signing. Essentially all Packer fans on Twitter are asking the same question though.

[hoosier]

I *think* Ian is just expressing surprise at another FA signing. Essentially all Packer fans on Twitter are asking the same question though.

Yeah, "coming up" refers to the Ahmad (Ahman) Brooks deal, which is yet to be signed.

[pbmax]

Ian Rapoport‏ @RapSheet 10m10 minutes ago

No, sorry! I meant brooks is coming. He's the other free agent

[MadScientist]

Not a fan of the signing or Brooks as a person. Guess the Packers are desperate.

Since TT is going crazy with signings, is there an OT out there we can pick up so Spriggs can be dumped?

[call_me_ishmael]

I am loving 2017 Ted!

[Rutnstrut]

This is good. It's a Ron Wolf kind of signing imo. Wolf was good at filling need with players that were supposedly a handful but talented.

[pbmax]

This is good. It's a Ron Wolf kind of signing imo. Wolf was good at filling need with players that were supposedly a handful but talented.

Like Koren Robinson?

[Brandon494]

Great signing...everyone bitching will be celebrating when he's making plays in December.

[pbmax]

Haden is going to Pittsburgh first. Which, if you knew the Browns, means he is going to help defeat them about 8 times in a row.

[Rutnstrut]

Like Koren Robinson?

Rison, Dotson, Sean Jones.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Just in ... Mossy Cade added as secondary coach!

This is NOT going to be a boring season. I'm psyched.

[esoxx]

Stones. This Thompson guy.

[pbmax]

LeTroy Guion?

[red]

good move

we got a mean tough SOB

[Brandon494]

Wonder if all these recent signings are signs TT is on his way out *two eyes*

[Joemailman]

In other words Ted got er done yet again.

FIFY

[Smidgeon]

And now all the 53 roster projections turned out to be wrong.

[Rutnstrut]

FIFY

Well played.

[Bretsky]

Solid signing at a position devoid of quality depth.

Good Job TT !

[Pugger]

Not a fan of the signing or Brooks as a person. Guess the Packers are desperate.

Since TT is going crazy with signings, is there an OT out there we can pick up so Spriggs can be dumped?

They aren't gonna give up on a 2nd round pick they moved up to get.

[texaspackerbacker]

The only relevant question with Brooks is does he still have most of the skills he had just a few years ago? I trust the Packer staff to determine that he does or else they wouldn't have signed him.

[RashanGary]

I was wrong these last several years saying, "well Teds the most successful GM in the NFC. He's right again as always"

Now that this is happening I do see how posters who were clammering for a little more FA signings were right. Not a ton. Not huge money. But GB is a winner and winners want to come here. We could have been scooping up on aging winners who want a ring to supplement the couple areas of need each year.

Ted seems to have grown. And in hindsight, I was blinded by my view that he's so successful we can't critique him. He is so successful and I am glad we have him. But he's not perfect. I do think he's gotten better though this year.

And I'd love to win the SB this year and prove all you guys who have been saying this right! I'd love to win a couple more and then we're all right. The "Ted needed to grow" people were right. And the "ted is a top tier gm" people were right too. Let's all win :)

But for this moment, I lose and I was wrong. Good job guys. I tip my hat.

[Rutnstrut]

The only relevant question with Brooks is does he still have most of the skills he had just a few years ago? I trust the Packer staff to determine that he does or else they wouldn't have signed him.

In the very least he has more in the tank than Peppers had last year. So imo, that's a win.

[Brandon494]

I was wrong these last several years saying, "well Teds the most successful GM in the NFC. He's right again as always"

Now that this is happening I do see how posters who were clammering for a little more FA signings were right. Not a ton. Not huge money. But GB is a winner and winners want to come here. We could have been scooping up on aging winners who want a ring to supplement the couple areas of need each year.

Ted seems to have grown. And in hindsight, I was blinded by my view that he's so successful we can't critique him. He is so successful and I am glad we have him. But he's not perfect. I do think he's gotten better though this year.

And I'd love to win the SB this year and prove all you guys who have been saying this right! I'd love to win a couple more and then we're all right. The "Ted needed to grow" people were right. And the "ted is a top tier gm" people were right too. Let's all win :)

But for this moment, I lose and I was wrong. Good job guys. I tip my hat.

Let's wait until they play first lmao...also let's not forget how many of our FAs he has let walk, that's usually not the case.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Solid signing at a position devoid of quality depth.

Good Job TT !

To be fair, Thompson had a 3rd round pick, 4th round pick, and solid vet as depth behind two 1st round picks at OLB. That's a lot of investment, so let's not act like there wasn't potential for the position. It just so happens that the 3rd round pick hasn't progressed and the 4th round pick got injured after the draft. The position also had depth last year with a 1st round pick and Julius Peppers as backup (along with the 3rd round pick).

CB was a weakness last year, but at this time last year the Packers had Shields, a 1st round pick coming off a good rookie year, a 2nd round pick coming off a solid rookie years and a solid slot guy in Micah Hyde. You can't have all-stars at every position, and you have to hope that some of the young guys progress.

Last year, by the time Shields, Randall, and Rollins got injured, there was little that Thompson could do. This year the depth never materialized, and the Packers got lucky that the 49ers are rebuilding and switched to a 4-3, and a good 3-4 LB became available.

[Harlan Huckleby]

And now all the 53 roster projections turned out to be wrong.

Biegel stashed on IR?

[wist43]

I don't think Fackrell can play; Clay will surely miss time; Perry will probably miss time... we certainly need more bodies.

That said, I think we're better off on the outside than inside - Thomas is our best ILB. I fully expect teams will exploit and expose Martinez and Ryan this year, the same as last. They're okay against the run, but terrible liabilities in the passing game.

We were 31st against the pass last year... don't think we can improve on that number too much - unless Daniels and the rest of the defensive lineman have awesome years.

We'll see.

[pbmax]

Biegel stashed on IR?

PUP

[pbmax]

I don't think Fackrell can play; Clay will surely miss time; Perry will probably miss time... we certainly need more bodies.

That said, I think we're better off on the outside than inside - Thomas is our best ILB. I fully expect teams will exploit and expose Martinez and Ryan this year, the same as last. They're okay against the run, but terrible liabilities in the passing game.

We were 31st against the pass last year... don't think we can improve on that number too much - unless Daniels and the rest of the defensive lineman have awesome years.

We'll see.

It would be well nigh impossible to be that bad again against the pass. I bet they are no worse than the mid 20s, which will be enough, APRH.

[wist43]

It would be well nigh impossible to be that bad again against the pass. I bet they are no worse than the mid 20s, which will be enough, APRH.

I was thinking (hoping) anywhere from 20-25... better than that and we could be better than 10-6.

Status quo?? And we likely do our usual 10-6, and 1-and done in the playoffs.

[HarveyWallbangers]

We were 31st against the pass--primarily because of CB play. We were 6th in sacks and 9th in sack percentage. Gunter was our #1 CB for much of the year. He may not make the team this year. There's little chance that House, a healthy Randall, a healthy Rollins, 1st round pick King, and improving Hawkins will be nearly as bad this year. Will be they be good enough to be part of a championship caliber team? Maybe not, but there's certainly reason for hope.

[RashanGary]

This year with House and an improved Randall, Rollins and Hawkins.... Plus the improvement of Clark and Lowry..... Plus the improvement of Brice (which means Burnett will be playing more ILB) could mean we're improved at 5 or 6 positions.

Now we have a decent backup OLB to cover some of those tracks.

I think we could be a top 10 defense this year. And a top 1 of 2 offense.


We have a legit chance at a SB victory this year.

[mraynrand]

I was wrong these last several years saying, "well Teds the most successful GM in the NFC. He's right again as always"

Now that this is happening I do see how posters who were clammering for a little more FA signings were right. Not a ton. Not huge money. But GB is a winner and winners want to come here. We could have been scooping up on aging winners who want a ring to supplement the couple areas of need each year.

Ted seems to have grown. And in hindsight, I was blinded by my view that he's so successful we can't critique him. He is so successful and I am glad we have him. But he's not perfect. I do think he's gotten better though this year.

And I'd love to win the SB this year and prove all you guys who have been saying this right! I'd love to win a couple more and then we're all right. The "Ted needed to grow" people were right. And the "ted is a top tier gm" people were right too. Let's all win :)

But for this moment, I lose and I was wrong. Good job guys. I tip my hat.

I don't really see much change in TT strategy. Going into week one in a must win game at home, the Packers have injuries to both starting OLBs and a backup. The other backup appears ineffective. This signing is as close to desperation as TT can get. But in typical fashion, TT didn't really overspend. TT is flexible to circumstances; it's just notable this year that circumstances forced his hand to play the FA market more than usual.

[Harlan Huckleby]

PUP

Right, but does addition of a starter mean no need to use Biegel this year? Just wondering. I am bothered more than most about a rookie missing training camp.

Ahh, you're saying Biegel is not part of opening day roster changes. True dat.

[ThunderDan]

I was thinking (hoping) anywhere from 20-25... better than that and we could be better than 10-6.

Status quo?? And we likely do our usual 10-6, and 1-and done in the playoffs.

Except we haven't been 1 and done in the playoff since the 2013 season but don't worry about the facts.

[mraynrand]

I was thinking (hoping) anywhere from 20-25... better than that and we could be better than 10-6.

Status quo?? And we likely do our usual 10-6, and 1-and done in the playoffs.


This is a Green Bay Packer website, not Cincinnati Bengals.

[call_me_ishmael]

I would argue the reason Ted turned over the roster is the players that he let go were simply not big/strong/fast enough. He needed to get better and there are a fixed number of roster spots. I applaud what Ted has done this year big time.

[pbmax]

I don't really see much change in TT strategy. Going into week one in a must win game at home, the Packers have injuries to both starting OLBs and a backup. The other backup appears ineffective. This signing is as close to desperation as TT can get. But in typical fashion, TT didn't really overspend. TT is flexible to circumstances; it's just notable this year that circumstances forced his hand to play the FA market more than usual.

Part of those 10 departures Patler noted were several flameouts on defense, positions that if those 2 or 3 poor drafts early in this decade (poor by Ted standards) would have been filled by guys on second or third contracts. (Datone Jones, Mike Neal, Jerel Worthy, etc.)

Some of this is that inevitable fallout. I think they expected Lang back, but the Lions threw injury concerns to the wind on their deal. They also were a year off (or worse) on Fackrell.

This is what the offseason looks like for a lot of teams, good and bad. Packers just normally have fewer roster holes.

[pbmax]

I would argue the reason Ted turned over the roster is the players that he let go were simply not big/strong/fast enough. He needed to get better and there are a fixed number of roster spots. I applaud what Ted has done this year big time.

I think this is true, but mainly in the DBs (and new hybrid safeties).

[pbmax]

This is a Green Bay Packer website, not Cincinnati Bengals.

Signing Ahmad Brooks got him confused.

[gbgary]

I would argue the reason Ted turned over the roster is the players that he let go were simply not big/strong/fast enough. He needed to get better and there are a fixed number of roster spots. I applaud what Ted has done this year big time.

everything he/they did was money related. filled the spots of the guys he let go with cheaper guys with equal or lessor talent in most cases (kendricks and brooks being exception). wouldn't be surprised if there's one more addition after the huge cut-down this weekend. hopefully the draft and (fingers crossed) better luck in the injury dept, will make the difference.

[Pugger]

I was thinking (hoping) anywhere from 20-25... better than that and we could be better than 10-6.

Status quo?? And we likely do our usual 10-6, and 1-and done in the playoffs.

The last time we were one and done was 2013. Since 2009 we were one and done 3 times.

[Pugger]

We were 31st against the pass--primarily because of CB play. We were 6th in sacks and 9th in sack percentage. Gunter was our #1 CB for much of the year. He may not make the team this year. There's little chance that House, a healthy Randall, a healthy Rollins, 1st round pick King, and improving Hawkins will be nearly as bad this year. Will be they be good enough to be part of a championship caliber team? Maybe not, but there's certainly reason for hope.

If our offense is as good as it could be and a healthy AR, having an average defense might be good enough.

[Smidgeon]

The last time we were one and done was 2013. Since 2009 we were one and done 3 times.

Don't let facts ruin the narrative.

[mraynrand]

Signing Ahmad Brooks got him confused.

touché! :)

[Fritz]

So how about that Ahmad Brooks signing? Will this be remembered like the Howard Green signing, or like Koren Robinson?

[wist43]

Don't let facts ruin the narrative.

Ok... how does this sound: one-and done - OR - embarrassing ass-kicked exit and/or collapse??

That about cover it??

[Zool]

Ok... how does this sound: one-and done - OR - embarrassing ass-kicked exit and/or collapse??

That about cover it??

You forgot to mention spray paint hair and dunder dummy and fart in the wind.

[George Cumby]

You forgot to mention spray paint hair and dunder dummy and fart in the wind.

....soft, ankle-biter, UN-sound!

[Fritz]

I think Bretsky owns "fart in the wind." Now when I hear that phrase, I don't think of Ron Wolf. I think of Bretsky.

Well, Bretsky and two women in a hot tub.

[wist43]

I confess to ankle-biter, but take no credit for "fart in the wind" ;)

[pbmax]

I think Bretsky owns "fart in the wind." Now when I hear that phrase, I don't think of Ron Wolf. I think of Bretsky.

Well, Bretsky and two women in a hot tub.

And some bubbles I'd imagine.

[pbmax]

....soft, ankle-biter, UN-sound!

Take it to the Glossary thread!

[Tony Oday]

So how about that Ahmad Brooks signing? Will this be remembered like the Howard Green signing, or like Koren Robinson?

Or Ryan Pickett

[pbmax]

Or Ryan Pickett

I think it will be figuratively and literally like signing Peppers. Some spectacular plays, but mostly just steady competence. The guy can rush the passer AND hold against the run.

[Tony Oday]

I think it will be figuratively and literally like signing Peppers. Some spectacular plays, but mostly just steady competence. The guy can rush the passer AND hold against the run. I just hope this defense looks marginally better.

[Fritz]

And some bubbles I'd imagine.

What kind of bubbles we will not say.

[Joemailman]

So....what's up with the Brooks "signing"? Are they waiting for a reason? Everybody too busy? Any advantage to waiting until after the final cuts?

[KYPack]

Sounds like a real delay in the paperwork. Reports are he signed on wed after the Tuesday visit. Where's the announcement?

[Brandon494]

Officially signed

[pbmax]

Officially signed

Yep.

Packer Report‏ @PackerReport 35s35 seconds ago
Ahmad Brooks officially signs with #Packers. I talked to Jean Francois about him on Thursday http://scout.com/nfl/packers/Article/Hell-of-a-Football-Player-Ahmad-Brooks-Officially-Signs-with-Gre-106874675 … via @scoutmedia

[pbmax]

Packer Report‏ @PackerReport 11m11 minutes ago
Don Barclay to IR is the move to sign Brooks.

So that is 9 O lineman. Barclay will be eligible to come back.

[Harlan Huckleby]

So....what's up with the Brooks "signing"? Are they waiting for a reason? Everybody too busy? Any advantage to waiting until after the final cuts?

I think they were working details out with his probation officer. The ankle monitor and such.

[mraynrand]

I think they were working details out with his probation officer. The ankle monitor and such.

There's a whole etiquette to wearing the monitor with style.

http://www.helloamanda.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/lindsay-lohan-boost-mobile-bikini-02.jpg
(notice the name on the board, packerrats!)

[KYPack]

What surfboard?

[Fritz]

There's a whole etiquette to wearing the monitor with style.

http://www.helloamanda.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/lindsay-lohan-boost-mobile-bikini-02.jpg
(notice the name on the board, packerrats!)

Now that's MY kind of girl!

[pbmax]

Tom Silverstein @TomSilverstein 7m7 minutes ago
McCarthy on Ahmad Brooks: They (49ers) moved him all over the place. He plays more the elephant in our scheme. Has played OLB.


So basically the depth chart would be Perry-Brooks-Odom on the power side I would guess.

Matthews-Fackrell on OLB side.

[Packgator]

What surfboard?

LOL!!

[Iron Mike]

There's a whole etiquette to wearing the monitor with style.

http://www.helloamanda.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/lindsay-lohan-boost-mobile-bikini-02.jpg
(notice the name on the board, packerrats!)

That looks less like a GPS monitoring system than a SCRAM alcohol monitoring bracelet.

[mraynrand]

That looks less like a GPS monitoring system than a SCRAM alcohol monitoring bracelet.

Ahhh, the voice of experience weighs in! :)

[Iron Mike]

Ahhh, the voice of experience weighs in! :)

Seriously, we had a stripper a few years ago come through the morgue with a SCRAM bracelet on, so I was educated on the difference. Law Enforcement will get pissed off if you just cut these off rather than taking them off with a passkey.

[pbmax]

Is a SCRAM bracelet mean to prevent her from pouring champagne down her leg?

[mraynrand]

Seriously, we had a stripper a few years ago come through the morgue with a SCRAM bracelet on, so I was educated on the difference. Law Enforcement will get pissed off if you just cut these off rather than taking them off with a passkey.

I usually go to the club to see a stripper, but whatever gets you off.

[Fritz]

You're quibbling over details. That bracelet says she's a bad girl. And that's a good thing.

Though admittedly, if I met her the way Iron Mike met his, it wouldn't be so appealing.

[KYPack]

You're quibbling over details. That bracelet says she's a bad girl. And that's a good thing.

Though admittedly, if I met her the way Iron Mike met his, it wouldn't be so appealing.

(This story is supposed to be true, but I doubt it)

A Frenchman was once arrested for necrophilia. The cops lets him go when he told them he didn't know the girl was dead, he merely thought she was British.

[Fritz]

That is funny. Especially if you've ever been with a British woman.

[Zool]

Ahh Lindsey. She's lived rough the last 7-8 years.

[wootah]

Welcome

http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/drew-brees-neck-super-slo-mo.gif

[call_me_ishmael]

Quinton Dial!!!

Who is Ted Thompson? Gotta imagine the-guy-with-similar-size-but-not-production to Mike Daniels gets cut or Fackrell.