Michael Bennett: Police singled me out, put a gun near my head

[woodbuck27]

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/09/06/sport/michael-bennett-las-vegas-police/index.html

Michael Bennett: Police singled me out, put a gun near my head

By Jill Martin, CNN

Updated 1024 GMT (1824 HKT) September 7, 2017

" (CNN)Seattle Seahawks defensive end Michael Bennett, who is among prominent NFL players who protest the national anthem before games, said police in Las Vegas unfairly singled him out, threatened him with a gun and detained him briefly after he attended last month's prizefight between Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Conor McGregor. "

Please click on the LINK for the rest of this Breaking News Story.

[woodbuck27]

A related story:

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/16/sport/seahawks-michael-bennett-not-standing-for-national-anthem/index.html

Michael Bennett: 'I can't stand for the national anthem'

By Jill Martin, CNN ..... Updated 1459 GMT (2259 HKT) August 17, 2017

[Tony Oday]

An individual later identified as Bennett was seen crouched down behind a gaming machine as the officers approached, he said. Once Bennett was in the officers' view, he quickly ran out of the south doors and jumped over a wall into traffic.

hmmm, Sounds like the basically just picked him out of the Pew during the Our Father and cuffed him on the ground...fucking racists.

[mraynrand]

Once Bennett was in the officers' view, he quickly ran out of the south doors and jumped over a wall into traffic.

That's the kind of reckless, maximum-effort play that Pete Carroll cultivates in Seattle, and why the Seahawks are perennial defensive leaders in the NFL. Hope TT is paying attention.

[Brandon494]

Was waiting for someone to post this...of course the arresting officers body cam was turned off and now the cops are trying to play victims.

[Brandon494]

An individual later identified as Bennett was seen crouched down behind a gaming machine as the officers approached, he said. Once Bennett was in the officers' view, he quickly ran out of the south doors and jumped over a wall into traffic.

hmmm, Sounds like the basically just picked him out of the Pew during the Our Father and cuffed him on the ground...fucking racists.

So when he heard gun shots he ran like everyone else...what a thug!

[mraynrand]

Did they beat him up real good so he can't play Sunday?

[mraynrand]

now the cops are trying to play victims.

I bet they win. Victims don't have a good QB.

[Zool]

Was waiting for someone to post this...of course the arresting officers body cam was turned off and now the cops are trying to play victims.

So in a case of he said/they said, you side with Bennett automatically? I'd be more interested in the camera footage from the site.

[mraynrand]

So in a case of he said/they said, you side with Bennett automatically? I'd be more interested in the camera footage from the site.

Oh for fucks sake, stop trying to find 'the truth'

Either embrace your racism or your victimhood.

[Zool]

http://r.fod4.com/c=sq/s=w350,pd1/o=80/http://p.fod4.com/p/media/109531479d/aMCkhMxtSA1YtHVHvI4U_You%20Cant%20Handle%20the%20T ruth%20THUMB.jpg

[mraynrand]

holy hell

[Tony Oday]

So when he heard gun shots he ran like everyone else...what a thug!

Didn't see anything about gun shots when they approached him and he knew they saw him he ran.

[Teamcheez1]

Both of the arresting officers were minorities. Changes the perspective just a little bit.

[Rutnstrut]

Cops respond to a possible shooter. See man crouching behind a gaming machine amid chaos. Man sees them and runs. According to some, the cops are suppose to just let unidentified possible suspect run away from the scene. This day and age the cops have an impossible job. Perhaps they shouldn't have to serve and protect those that are so against them. That would be a good form of natural selection.

[Rutnstrut]

Both of the arresting officers were minorities. Changes the perspective just a little bit.

Not to the whiners, they'll still spin it to fit their narrative.

[Patler]

Cops respond to a possible shooter. See man crouching behind a gaming machine amid chaos. Man sees them and runs. According to some, the cops are suppose to just let unidentified possible suspect run away from the scene. This day and age the cops have an impossible job. Perhaps they shouldn't have to serve and protect those that are so against them. That would be a good form of natural selection.

...and if the unidentified subject actually WAS a shooter, and then ran out and shot and killed another, the same people would criticize the cops for not taking decisive action to stop the threat.

But it is all very simple. The cops simply have to be correct, stop and detain the actual perps and no one else, 100% of the time. That isn't asking too much, is it?

[woodbuck27]

'The call that night was a scary one'

Bennett's brother, Green Bay Packers tight end Martellus Bennett, signaled support for his sibling Wednesday in an Instagram post.

"The call that night was a scary one," Martellus Bennett wrote. "The emotion and the thought of almost losing you because of the way you look left me in one of the saddest places ever. I could hear the fear in your voice, the tears in your eyes as well your sprinting heart beat. I can't imagine how the people who lost their loved ones felt when they got the call."

Martellus Bennett added later: "To me, you're much more than a nigger," a direct reference to the line in his brother's open letter.

[woodbuck27]

This is NOT a Black and White Issue.

This is a classic example of 'a Black Issue' and Racial Profiling that is all to common now for over a Decade and inappropriate Law Enforcement.

Also what was with the excessive brutality and the process of the arrest !? Bennett was down and cuffed. So why does the second Cop come in and put abuse on him?

[pbmax]

Both of the arresting officers were minorities. Changes the perspective just a little bit.

Yes, because different minorities cannot possibly hold biased or racist attitudes about other minorities? Training and peer modeling don't have any effect?

Funny how running away from a slot machine and leaping over a road barrier makes sense if there were gunshots and seems more suspicious if he was running away from police. The statements don't really conflict. But I wonder how many were running through that room to the outside? How many were arrested?

Video would help, but we just have the aftermath since the two directly responsible didn't have on their body cams. Funny that they malfunction more often than radar guns.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfrrnEO9Gz8

[pbmax]

Cops respond to a possible shooter. See man crouching behind a gaming machine amid chaos. Man sees them and runs. According to some, the cops are suppose to just let unidentified possible suspect run away from the scene. This day and age the cops have an impossible job. Perhaps they shouldn't have to serve and protect those that are so against them. That would be a good form of natural selection.

Do you honestly take the claim that he was crouching behind slots seriously at this point? Do more police have to plant evidence to plant a seed of doubt in your mind?

Both parties have reason to paint their actions as innocent.

[ThunderDan]

If I heard a shot fired in a casino/near a casino the first thing I would do is duck behind a machine or under a table. Find out where I thought the shot was from and run the other direction when it looked clear.

[Rutnstrut]

Vegas has about a bazillion cameras, so the truth will come out. pb, yes I believe the police over someone that has bashed them many times in the past.

[Rutnstrut]

If I heard a shot fired in a casino/near a casino the first thing I would do is duck behind a machine or under a table. Find out where I thought the shot was from and run the other direction when it looked clear.

Yup, assess the situation as opposed to stumbling about blindly.

[pbmax]

Vegas has about a bazillion cameras, so the truth will come out. pb, yes I believe the police over someone that has bashed them many times in the past.

You have only heard the version of the story from the head of the police union. So you really haven't heard from the police involved. Nor their immediate. And you probably won't until they settle on a version of events most amenable to evidence they have to release.

Which is all a part of the problem of losing trust.

Those cameras not being on are just the cherry on top.

[woodbuck27]

If I heard a shot fired in a casino/near a casino the first thing I would do is duck behind a machine or under a table. Find out where I thought the shot was from and run the other direction when it looked clear.

I have actually been in that exact situation and believe this the normal reaction is to get down or under some cover and when the first opportunity arises get the 'H' out of that area.

[woodbuck27]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2731859-roger-goodell-releases-statement-on-michael-bennetts-incident-with-lvpd?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=nfl

Roger Goodell Releases Statement on Michael Bennett's Allegations Against LVMPD

ALEC NATHAN ...SEPTEMBER 6, 2017

[gbgary]

Matt Markovich ✔ @mattmarkovich
Attrny for Michael Bennett says race wasn't a factor in arrest but lack of probable cause was May file civil rights lawsuit #komonews
1:14 PM - Sep 6, 2017 · Seattle, WA

clearly not since there were many black people in there and the recording confirms that. oh...and he wasn't arrested. he was detained. as for probable cause, cops don't need probable cause...they need reasonable suspicion. his running from the cops probably wasn't the smartest thing he could have done.

that's a taser gun in this video still pic below...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfrrnEO9Gz8

[Patler]

If I heard a shot fired in a casino/near a casino the first thing I would do is duck behind a machine or under a table. Find out where I thought the shot was from and run the other direction when it looked clear.

I don't think anyone is saying that in itself is suspicious. But, if I was in that situation, after the police arrived I would run past them in the direction toward where the police came from, which is more likely to be safe. Running away in the direction the police are going is more likely to be unsafe, not yet cleared of any shooter. It appears most people in the video did run to where the police had been.

It may very well be that Bennett did not even see the police, and simply took the first way out that he saw. I can see that as a very real possibility. But for nearly 6 minutes of the video the police were told a shooter was there, and by their contemporaneous statements on the video saw an individual hiding and then running away from them as they approached. I don't think it is unreasonable that they detained that individual for a brief time.

Believing as they did, what should they have done? Should they let everyone run away if they didn't see a gun in his hand? SHould they stop and question everyone they encounter. Or, should they push in quickly and check those who act in any way suspiciously to them?

[woodbuck27]

I don't think anyone is saying that in itself is suspicious. But, if I was in that situation, after the police arrived I would run past them in the direction toward where the police came from, which is more likely to be safe. Running away in the direction the police are going is more likely to be unsafe, not yet cleared of any shooter. It appears most people in the video did run to where the police had been.

It may very well be that Bennett did not even see the police, and simply took the first way out that he saw. I can see that as a very real possibility. But for nearly 6 minutes of the video the police were told a shooter was there, and by their contemporaneous statements on the video saw an individual hiding and then running away from them as they approached. I don't think it is unreasonable that they detained that individual for a brief time.

Believing as they did, what should they have done? Should they let everyone run away if they didn't see a gun in his hand? SHould they stop and question everyone they encounter. Or, should they push in quickly and check those who act in any way suspiciously to them?

I certainly am not going to run towards the Police with their guns pointing in my direction if I'm a Black Man nor should any man do so.

The Police are in a tense situation and God 'only' knows how stressed out they are and just might interpret my running in their direction as an attack.

Nope ! I am getting my ass pointed towards the Police as I run away from them. :-)

[mraynrand]

See all that bullshit above? That's why you should forget about the unknowable truth, align yourselves with a tribe, and dance around your separate fires, hating the Other. It makes life a lot simpler.

[Patler]

I certainly am not going to run towards the Police with their guns pointing in my direction if I'm a Black Man nor should any man do so.

The Police are in a tense situation and God 'only' knows how stressed out they are and just might interpret my running in their direction as an attack.

Nope ! I am getting my ass pointed towards the Police as I run away from them. :-)

Running away from the cops has proven to be fatal in a number of such situations. I would wait until they got to me, then I would run to where they came from. If there is an active shooter, and you run away in the direction the cops are going, don't you have a better chance of running toward the shooter?

[Patler]

http://r.fod4.com/c=sq/s=w350,pd1/o=80/http://p.fod4.com/p/media/109531479d/aMCkhMxtSA1YtHVHvI4U_You%20Cant%20Handle%20the%20T ruth%20THUMB.jpg

Can he really make his eyes do that? One up and one down?

[Brandon494]

Both of the arresting officers were minorities. Changes the perspective just a little bit.

So only whites are prejudice ...good to know.

[mraynrand]

Running away from the cops has proven to be fatal in a number of such situations. I would wait until they got to me, then I would run to where they came from. If there is an active shooter, and you run away in the direction the cops are going, don't you have a better chance of running toward the shooter?

I was removing an AC from a window at my church, and a neighbor called the police, thinking I was breaking in (unbeknownst to me). The police arrived soon (five cars if you can believe it) and surrounded the building. I saw one out the window and asked him what was going on. He told me to come to the door. I opened the door and stared into two draw semi-automatics rifles and a pistol. I did exactly as they told me. Eventually I gave them my wallet and proved who I was and why I was there, but could have been shot pretty easy had I not followed instructions. There were no body cams. Honestly, I would not run at all. I would get on the ground and put my hands behind my head and await instructions if police are involved.

[mraynrand]

So only whites are prejudice ...good to know.

Whites are all racist killers. People 'of color' are all victims. See how easy this tribal life is! Now just hate.

[mraynrand]

Can he really make his eyes do that? One up and one down?

you can do anything with photoshop

[Brandon494]

I live less than an hour away from Charlottesville where a protester shot his gun into a crowd right in front of cops and they didn't even budge so y'all can miss me with all that BS.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C2ro7U_Yoc4

[bobblehead]

Yes, because different minorities cannot possibly hold biased or racist attitudes about other minorities? Training and peer modeling don't have any effect?

Funny how running away from a slot machine and leaping over a road barrier makes sense if there were gunshots and seems more suspicious if he was running away from police. The statements don't really conflict. But I wonder how many were running through that room to the outside? How many were arrested?

Video would help, but we just have the aftermath since the two directly responsible didn't have on their body cams. Funny that they malfunction more often than radar guns.


I can tell you a couple things. First, if you jump that barrier, you will be tackled and probably kicked by the police. It won't matter your color. Any night of the week!

Second, I agree 100% with the body cams. But they don't malfunction. In the early days of "voluntary" cams in Las Vegas, the officers were instructed to turn them off during heated situations. Apparently they still do.

During the Cliven Bundy BLM (Land management, not Lives matter) standoff the 2 Federal officers testified on the stand that they turned their cams off because "things were getting heated". And they wondered why they can't get a conviction. (but good liberal troopers, they keep trying since its a bunch of white guys who have had 2 hung juries 11-1 in their favor). OOO....see, racism works both ways. 3rd trial is awaiting a date.

I saw the cops pass a LOT of black people in that video. Wonder why? Also, if Bennett had such an issue why did he tell the officers at the scene he understood? He was not actually arrested btw, just detained. I didn't see the excessive abuse Woodbuck makes up...er alleges. I hadn't heard of Bennett alleging any such thing.

Imho this is just another attention whore who makes EVERYTHING about race. He had nothing to say at the time, but figured if he waited til the next day and made a bunch of allegations he could get even more attention than he gets for sitting during the anthem.

Final note, the LVPD has penned and sent a letter to King Roger to investigate thou thoroughly and take appropriate action for the blatant lies Bennett told. I hope Roger does. Maybe he can find the video of Ray Rice and take action BEFORE he gets egg on his face this time.

[Brandon494]

Then these whiny ass cops write a letter to the NFL mentioning how Bennett doesn't stand for the flag like that has anything to do with what happened.

[bobblehead]

Do you honestly take the claim that he was crouching behind slots seriously at this point? Do more police have to plant evidence to plant a seed of doubt in your mind?

Both parties have reason to paint their actions as innocent.

I saw at least 10 black men run past the police in that video. They didn't chase any of them. Why not?

[bobblehead]

Vegas has about a bazillion cameras, so the truth will come out. pb, yes I believe the police over someone that has bashed them many times in the past.

No, Vegas will not release those videos without a court order. Many reasons.

[woodbuck27]

Running away from the cops has proven to be fatal in a number of such situations. I would wait until they got to me, then I would run to where they came from. If there is an active shooter, and you run away in the direction the cops are going, don't you have a better chance of running toward the shooter?

In the situation I found myself in and it was a Bar (Club); when a disgruntled Patron (he had been previously tossed by the Bouncers) entered it with a gun drawn. What actually myself and others did was ASAP........ hit the floor. We got down really quickly. This was just prior to any Police being called.

[Brandon494]

I can tell you a couple things. First, if you jump that barrier, you will be tackled and probably kicked by the police. It won't matter your color. Any night of the week!

Second, I agree 100% with the body cams. But they don't malfunction. In the early days of "voluntary" cams in Las Vegas, the officers were instructed to turn them off during heated situations. Apparently they still do.

During the Cliven Bundy BLM (Land management, not Lives matter) standoff the 2 Federal officers testified on the stand that they turned their cams off because "things were getting heated". And they wondered why they can't get a conviction. (but good liberal troopers, they keep trying since its a bunch of white guys who have had 2 hung juries 11-1 in their favor). OOO....see, racism works both ways. 3rd trial is awaiting a date.

I saw the cops pass a LOT of black people in that video. Wonder why? Also, if Bennett had such an issue why did he tell the officers at the scene he understood? He was not actually arrested btw, just detained. I didn't see the excessive abuse Woodbuck makes up...er alleges. I hadn't heard of Bennett alleging any such thing.

Imho this is just another attention whore who makes EVERYTHING about race. He had nothing to say at the time, but figured if he waited til the next day and made a bunch of allegations he could get even more attention than he gets for sitting during the anthem.

Final note, the LVPD has penned and sent a letter to King Roger to investigate thou thoroughly and take appropriate action for the blatant lies Bennett told. I hope Roger does. Maybe he can find the video of Ray Rice and take action BEFORE he gets egg on his face this time.

Let me guess, you're white

[Brandon494]

I saw at least 10 black men run past the police in that video. They didn't chase any of them. Why not?

Maybe because they were all in a group, ducking, and heading towards the officers?

[Brandon494]

Running away from the cops has proven to be fatal in a number of such situations. I would wait until they got to me?

Only if you're a darker shade but it's easy to Monday QB what you would have done in that situation from your home computer.

[Brandon494]

...and if the unidentified subject actually WAS a shooter, and then ran out and shot and killed another, the same people would criticize the cops for not taking decisive action to stop the threat.

But it is all very simple. The cops simply have to be correct, stop and detain the actual perps and no one else, 100% of the time. That isn't asking too much, is it?

Give me a fucking break, that's not how shit works....this isn't Uncle Ben from Spider Man.

[bobblehead]

I live less than an hour away from Charlottesville where a protester shot his gun into a crowd right in front of cops and they didn't even budge so y'all can miss me with all that BS.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C2ro7U_Yoc4

Let me show you how easy this is. The man with the torch had a spray can of something and was flame throwing at the people leaving (a serious threat). A man with a gun points it at him to back him off, and then fires a warning shot into a concrete berm in front of the man with the improvised flame thrower.

Now for the truth. Two fucking idiots who can't behave in a civilized manner ran into each other and its lucky the only thing hurt was the berm.

[bobblehead]

Let me guess, you're white

Try again.

[Brandon494]

Let me show you how easy this is. The man with the torch had a spray can of something and was flame throwing at the people leaving (a serious threat). A man with a gun points it at him to back him off, and then fires a warning shot into a concrete berm in front of the man with the improvised flame thrower.

Now for the truth. Two fucking idiots who can't behave in a civilized manner ran into each other and its lucky the only thing hurt was the berm.

So you just going to ignore the fact the cops did nothing when a white guy shoots his gun into a crowd huh?

[gbgary]

Then these whiny ass cops write a letter to the NFL mentioning how Bennett doesn't stand for the flag like that has anything to do with what happened.

i thought that was stupid too.

[QBME]

See all that bullshit above? That's why you should forget about the unknowable truth, align yourselves with a tribe, and dance around your separate fires, hating the Other. It makes life a lot simpler.

Admirable distillation, lost to many or most.

[bobblehead]

Let me guess, you're white

But I'm not black either. I have great sympathy for anyone who is unfairly targeted for any reason. I just thing guys like Bennett are like girls who cry rape after they regret a decision. They hurt every credible case of the real thing.

[woodbuck27]

I can tell you a couple things. First, if you jump that barrier, you will be tackled and probably kicked by the police. It won't matter your color. Any night of the week!

Second, I agree 100% with the body cams. But they don't malfunction. In the early days of "voluntary" cams in Las Vegas, the officers were instructed to turn them off during heated situations. Apparently they still do.

During the Cliven Bundy BLM (Land management, not Lives matter) standoff the 2 Federal officers testified on the stand that they turned their cams off because "things were getting heated". And they wondered why they can't get a conviction. (but good liberal troopers, they keep trying since its a bunch of white guys who have had 2 hung juries 11-1 in their favor). OOO....see, racism works both ways. 3rd trial is awaiting a date.

I saw the cops pass a LOT of black people in that video. Wonder why? Also, if Bennett had such an issue why did he tell the officers at the scene he understood? He was not actually arrested btw, just detained. I didn't see the excessive abuse Woodbuck makes up...er alleges. I hadn't heard of Bennett alleging any such thing.

Imho this is just another attention whore who makes EVERYTHING about race. He had nothing to say at the time, but figured if he waited til the next day and made a bunch of allegations he could get even more attention than he gets for sitting during the anthem.

Final note, the LVPD has penned and sent a letter to King Roger to investigate thou thoroughly and take appropriate action for the blatant lies Bennett told. I hope Roger does. Maybe he can find the video of Ray Rice and take action BEFORE he gets egg on his face this time.

" I didn't see the excessive abuse Woodbuck makes up...er alleges. I hadn't heard of Bennett alleging any such thing." bobblehead

" .....In his account, Bennett said that as he lay on the ground, complying with his commands not to move, the officer placed his gun near his head and warned him that if he moved he would "blow my (expletive) head off."

While he was "terrified and confused by what was taking place," a second officer came over and "forcefully jammed his knee into my back making it difficult for me to breathe," he wrote. "They then cinched the handcuffs on my wrists so tight that my fingers went numb," he continued.

" The officers' excessive use of force was unbearable," Bennett continued. "I felt helpless as I lay there on the ground handcuffed facing the real-life threat of being killed. All I could think of was 'I'm going to die for no other reason than I am black and my skin color is somehow a threat.'"... "From the Article in the first post of this thread.

It seems that 'in fact' Michael Bennett had plenty to say and excessive force as he was being detained by the Las Vegas Police.... Read the Article please.

[gbgary]

So you just going to ignore the fact the cops did nothing when a white guy shoots his gun into a crowd huh?

the cops were ordered to pull back...remember? had they stayed and were allowed to do their job that lady would probably be alive today. city politicians were complicit in her death imo.

[bobblehead]

Only if you're a darker shade but it's easy to Monday QB what you would have done in that situation from your home computer.

This I do agree with. Thing is I'm not faulting Bennett for anything he did that night. But what I'm saying is...shit happens. Its not always about the cops being racist. Sometimes you acted reasonably, but a cop saw it different. Again, he was released after they figured out he wasn't a bad guy. I have been detained....by a george zimmerman wannabe security guard. It was comical to me. Just like with Bennett, afterwards the head of security informed me of why and sent me on my merry old way. I didn't tweet about it or anything. Imagine that.

[woodbuck27]

But I'm not black either. I have great sympathy for anyone who is unfairly targeted for any reason. I just thing guys like Bennett are like girls who cry rape after they regret a decision. They hurt every credible case of the real thing.

I suspect that your more than less 'a Racist'. Being 'White' doesn't give you legitimate insight into what it means to feel as a majority of Blacks and other ethnic people do.

I also suspect that if you made the above statement to Michael Bennett's face he might very well 'kick your ass'. :-)

[bobblehead]

So you just going to ignore the fact the cops did nothing when a white guy shoots his gun into a crowd huh?

I actually didn't see any cops nearby. Also, lets be honest. He didn't shoot his gun into a crowd. He discharged his firearm into a berm in a crowded area (a crime and dumb thing to do still).

If there were cops nearby they also didn't do anything to the guy with the flamethrower. I would hope if a cop witnessed that they would have drawn and arrested the idiot.

[bobblehead]

" I didn't see the excessive abuse Woodbuck makes up...er alleges. I hadn't heard of Bennett alleging any such thing." bobblehead

" .....In his account, Bennett said that as he lay on the ground, complying with his commands not to move, the officer placed his gun near his head and warned him that if he moved he would "blow my (expletive) head off."

While he was "terrified and confused by what was taking place," a second officer came over and "forcefully jammed his knee into my back making it difficult for me to breathe," he wrote. "They then cinched the handcuffs on my wrists so tight that my fingers went numb," he continued.

" The officers' excessive use of force was unbearable," Bennett continued. "I felt helpless as I lay there on the ground handcuffed facing the real-life threat of being killed. All I could think of was 'I'm going to die for no other reason than I am black and my skin color is somehow a threat.'"... "From the Article in the first post of this thread.

It seems that 'in fact' Michael Bennett had plenty to say and excessive force as he was being detained by the Las Vegas Police.... Read the Article please.

Yes, that is what cops do. When they decide to arrest you, they talk forcefully to ensure compliance. They immobilize you with a knee in the back as its the most effective place. They put the cuffs on very tight so you can't slip out. This is known as P.O.S.T. also known as "not abuse".

[woodbuck27]

This I do agree with. Thing is I'm not faulting Bennett for anything he did that night. But what I'm saying is...shit happens. Its not always about the cops being racist. Sometimes you acted reasonably, but a cop saw it different. Again, he was released after they figured out he wasn't a bad guy. I have been detained....by a george zimmerman wannabe security guard. It was comical to me. Just like with Bennett, afterwards the head of security informed me of why and sent me on my merry old way. I didn't tweet about it or anything. Imagine that.

Stray dogs are treated better than Michael Bennett was by these Policeman.

It is too clear he has a legitimate complaint.

[bobblehead]

I suspect that your more than less 'a Racist'. Being 'White' doesn't give you legitimate insight into what it means to feel as a majority of Blacks and other ethnic people do.

I also suspect that if you made the above statement to Michael Bennett's face he might very well 'kick your ass'. :-)

I suspect that you don't know me. If you did you would know better. I also suspect that Bennett COULD kick my ass since he is 17 years younger than me, and much larger. Not so sure he WOULD. It would show exceedingly poor judgement on his part.

I also suspect you feel very dis empowered in your everyday life that you feel the need to tell me how weak I am compared to an NFL defensive lineman as if that doesn't put me in the 99.9%

[woodbuck27]

Yes, that is what cops do. When they decide to arrest you, they talk forcefully to ensure compliance. They immobilize you with a knee in the back as its the most effective place. They put the cuffs on very tight so you can't slip out. This is known as P.O.S.T. also known as "not abuse".

No no no !

You skirt the issue and your version, that Michael Bennett had no complaint and excessive abuse.

[bobblehead]

Stray dogs are treated better than Michael Bennett was by these Policeman.

It is too clear he has a legitimate complaint.

You have clearly never been forcefully detained by law enforcement.

[woodbuck27]

I suspect that you don't know me. If you did you would know better. I also suspect that Bennett COULD kick my ass since he is 17 years younger than me, and much larger. Not so sure he WOULD. It would show exceedingly poor judgement on his part.

I also suspect you feel very dis empowered in your everyday life that you feel the need to tell me how weak I am compared to an NFL defensive lineman as if that doesn't put me in the 99.9%

The way you Blah Blah Blah ...MB might just have to kick your ass. :-)

[bobblehead]

No no no !

You skirt the issue and your version, that Michael Bennett had no complaint and excessive abuse.

If that is excessive abuse (as opposed to allowable abuse) then every officer ever making an arrest is guilty. He has ZERO complaint of excessive force.

[bobblehead]

The way you Blah Blah Blah ...MB might just have to kick your ass. :-)

Good logical argument. Clearly you got me.

[woodbuck27]

You have clearly never been forcefully detained by law enforcement.

Of course not.

I know how to behave. I am also an intelligent and wise man.

[woodbuck27]

If that is excessive abuse (as opposed to allowable abuse) then every officer ever making an arrest is guilty. He has ZERO complaint of excessive force.

Again.... I am 100% sure that Michael Bennett would disagree with you.

Your on 'the Idiot Walk' now...so (maybe!?) simply let it go.

If we are playing Match Play Golf. Your down Nine Holes with just the Back Nine to go.

Let's toss it up ... go for a beer.

Better still bobblehead your so brilliant; why not show us all of that and join the Pro Pickem' Challenge here @ Packerrats.

[Rutnstrut]

Then these whiny ass cops write a letter to the NFL mentioning how Bennett doesn't stand for the flag like that has anything to do with what happened.

Actually his anti police, anti patriotic political views that he spouted using his fame to get them out there. Have EVERYTHING to do with this incident.

[Rutnstrut]

You have clearly never been forcefully detained by law enforcement.

Of course he hasn't, Mounties don't actually get off their horses and do that stuff;)

[pbmax]

I was removing an AC from a window at my church, and a neighbor called the police, thinking I was breaking in (unbeknownst to me). The police arrived soon (five cars if you can believe it) and surrounded the building. I saw one out the window and asked him what was going on. He told me to come to the door. I opened the door and stared into two draw semi-automatics rifles and a pistol. I did exactly as they told me. Eventually I gave them my wallet and proved who I was and why I was there, but could have been shot pretty easy had I not followed instructions. There were no body cams. Honestly, I would not run at all. I would get on the ground and put my hands behind my head and await instructions if police are involved.

On its face, pulling guns about a property crime seems like unnecessary escalation. Did they have reason to expect you to be armed? I understand they don't want you to get the drop on them, but given you were already seen, seems like there is another way to safety approach.

[pbmax]

I saw at least 10 black men run past the police in that video. They didn't chase any of them. Why not?

Don't know. But I cannot tell who is who in that video.

[Brandon494]

Actually his anti police, anti patriotic political views that he spouted using his fame to get them out there. Have EVERYTHING to do with this incident.

Stfu, you are just as clueless to real world issuess as you are in football talk.

[QBME]

Sheesh....we'ere about an hour from the beginning of the season....PB is a couple post's away from a milestone....Patler is preparing for his second game day experience......

Get a fuckin' grip...

[pbmax]

I have no problem with overwhelming force to overcome a threat. But I don't see the threat. Perhaps there was, but I haven't seen anything convincing yet.

The letter from the Union chief is not convincing because he picked a side before any of this happened. His job is to defend and deflect.

The review procedures most organizations use is WAY too insular. Only police and their supervisors are on them. Citizen involvement is limited, some of them have no say, they are observers only. The Police protect and serve the public. If there are questions about their public conduct for their job, the evidence should be public. So I am not optimistic this gets cleared up.

The cameras being off should be a fireable offense.

The lack of thorough data being collected and reported by departments about interactions with the public is ridiculous.

A life threatening encounter with police (at the casino or doing air conditioner repair) should not rest on a fight/flight or flee response by a panicked individual.

[pbmax]

Sheesh....we'ere about an hour from the beginning of the season....PB is a couple post's away from a milestone....Patler is preparing for his second game day experience......

Get a fuckin' grip...

I'd give up that post to have better and more video.

[Rutnstrut]

I have no problem with overwhelming force to overcome a threat. But I don't see the threat. Perhaps there was, but I haven't seen anything convincing yet.

The letter from the Union chief is not convincing because he picked a side before any of this happened. His job is to defend and deflect.

The review procedures most organizations use is WAY too insular. Only police and their supervisors are on them. Citizen involvement is limited, some of them have no say, they are observers only. The Police protect and serve the public. If there are questions about their public conduct for their job, the evidence should be public. So I am not optimistic this gets cleared up.

The cameras being off should be a fireable offense.

The lack of thorough data being collected and reported by departments about interactions with the public is ridiculous.

A life threatening encounter with police (at the casino or doing air conditioner repair) should not rest on a fight/flight or flee response by a panicked individual.

It is pretty easy for us to "Monday morning QB" the situation. We can't say what we would do if we haven't been in that kind of situation.

[pbmax]

It is pretty easy for us to "Monday morning QB" the situation. We can't say what we would do if we haven't been in that kind of situation.

I am not MMQ this situation. I am saying the entire approach to police conduct, from training through conduct review and correction and data collection, is riddled with holes and self dealing.

The administrators allowed to get away with this have reasons to bury bad news. Its almost the union head's job. Those who do poor police work have obvious motives. Its simply a stupid way to do the public's business. There are exceptions and model programs and departments. But the fact that the difference never even gets discussed is why this never gets fixed. And trust is not earned back. Its either with the police or against them.

[woodbuck27]

Of course he hasn't, Mounties don't actually get off their horses and do that stuff;)

That's not actually correct. I have the Proof:

https://barbadosfreepress.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/rcmp-taser-barbados.jpg

[Rutnstrut]

That's not actually correct. I have the Proof:

https://barbadosfreepress.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/rcmp-taser-barbados.jpg

Freakin mounties profiling a white guy.

[woodbuck27]

Sheesh....we'ere about an hour from the beginning of the season....PB is a couple post's away from a milestone....Patler is preparing for his second game day experience......

Get a fuckin' grip...

Ahh No !
This is what makes Packerrats get to the level of ' It's at it's best ! ' :duel:

[woodbuck27]

Freakin mounties profiling a white guy.

I suspect he is a Native and 'off the Warpath'. :idea:

[woodbuck27]

I am not MMQ this situation. I am saying the entire approach to police conduct, from training through conduct review and correction and data collection, is riddled with holes and self dealing.

The administrators allowed to get away with this have reasons to bury bad news. Its almost the union head's job. Those who do poor police work have obvious motives. Its simply a stupid way to do the public's business. There are exceptions and model programs and departments. But the fact that the difference never even gets discussed is why this never gets fixed. And trust is not earned back. Its either with the police or against them.

pbmax do NOT waste your Posts.

In Canada we might say your a Jean Beliveau or a Bobby Orr away from 50 K Posts. They both are Famous NO. 4 NHL Hockey Jersey Wearers.

Actually... there was once upon a time a Famous Man that wore NO.4 in Green Bay.

https://image1.masterfile.com/getImage/630-01875186em-closeup-of-a-young-woman-standing-and-holding-a-lollipop.jpg

Your 'All Day Sucker' is almost gone.

[QBME]

Ahh No !
This is what makes Packerrats get to the level of ' It's at it's best ! ' :duel:

Ahh Ed... got it, to a point...

[mraynrand]

Admirable distillation, lost to many or most.

It's important in all these publicized police encounters to remember, in particular at the beginning, the following:

1) You weren't there
2) You don't know all the facts
3) the first reports are always the least accurate
4) your bias affects your interpretation
5) The media have and will frame the story according to their biases, including presenting altered audio or video

[mraynrand]

I am not MMQ this situation. I am saying the entire approach to police conduct, from training through conduct review and correction and data collection, is riddled with holes and self dealing.

The administrators allowed to get away with this have reasons to bury bad news. Its almost the union head's job. Those who do poor police work have obvious motives. Its simply a stupid way to do the public's business. There are exceptions and model programs and departments. But the fact that the difference never even gets discussed is why this never gets fixed. And trust is not earned back. Its either with the police or against them.

Just to clarify - do you believe that only a minority (the exceptions) of police departments are well-run?

[pbmax]

Just to clarify - do you believe that only a minority (the exceptions) of police departments are well-run?

I have no idea how many would qualify as well run or what percentage. What I was referring to was their ability to be publicly administered or self correct.

Because there is little baseline reporting on police interactions (the reports the feds put together must be supplemented by digging through public records to catch missed events from some departments that don't report at all) means that reporting and tracking is difficult. So I am not sure what the benchmarks would be for well run.

But improvement is hard if there is no self correct mechanism. And lack of reporting reinforces that.

[mraynrand]

I have no idea how many would qualify as well run or what percentage. What I was referring to was their ability to be publicly administered or self correct.

Because there is little baseline reporting on police interactions (the reports the feds put together must be supplemented by digging through public records to catch missed events from some departments that don't report at all) means that reporting and tracking is difficult. So I am not sure what the benchmarks would be for well run.

But improvement is hard if there is no self correct mechanism. And lack of reporting reinforces that.

gotcha. thanks.

[call_me_ishmael]

I was removing an AC from a window at my church, and a neighbor called the police, thinking I was breaking in (unbeknownst to me). The police arrived soon (five cars if you can believe it) and surrounded the building. I saw one out the window and asked him what was going on. He told me to come to the door. I opened the door and stared into two draw semi-automatics rifles and a pistol. I did exactly as they told me. Eventually I gave them my wallet and proved who I was and why I was there, but could have been shot pretty easy had I not followed instructions. There were no body cams. Honestly, I would not run at all. I would get on the ground and put my hands behind my head and await instructions if police are involved.

And you think that's right? Some idiot cop could have slipped a bit and ended you. And for what? Where was the threat that justified them aiming live weapons at you? Insane.

Cops are not the best of the best. They're not the worst either, but they hardly represent our finest. Many are jags, and you're lucky to be alive after an encounter like that. If you were anything but an old white man you'd probably be dead.

[call_me_ishmael]

Try again.

LOL there is a zero percent chance you're not a middle-aged white man. LOL!

[call_me_ishmael]

I don't really care either way but why turn the body cams off? You only turn that shit off to do some shady stuff.

[texaspackerbacker]

In other racial news, 1 1/2 of the final two playing for the women's championship of the U.S. Open Tennis Tournament are black - and AMERICAN!

Funny how good news ends up in the back of the bus compared to irrelevant shit with the damn fake news media.

[mraynrand]

In other racial news, 1 1/2 of the final two playing for the women's championship of the U.S. Open Tennis Tournament are black - and AMERICAN!

Funny how good news ends up in the back of the bus compared to irrelevant shit with the damn fake news media.

wait, they still play professional tennis?

[mraynrand]

And you think that's right? Some idiot cop could have slipped a bit and ended you. And for what? Where was the threat that justified them aiming live weapons at you? Insane.

Cops are not the best of the best. They're not the worst either, but they hardly represent our finest. Many are jags, and you're lucky to be alive after an encounter like that. If you were anything but an old white man you'd probably be dead.


I know, it's all sunshine and rainbows in your little safe corner of reality. But there are a lot of places in the US of A where crime rates are high, people rob and shoot each other, and that thin blue line exists to protect people. Even churches exist in high crime areas, section 8 housing areas, where people have stolen weapons that they use against each other and the cops. Yeah, the cops draw guns when they don't know what's inside a building they think may be being robbed by an unknown number of unknown people. Again, I recommend following police instructions. It lowers your chances of being shot dead.

[call_me_ishmael]

The police have ZERO reasons to pull a gun on someone over suspected petty theft. Get real. That is 100% delusional and you're rationalizing unacceptable behavior. In most of the developed world, police rarely pull out guns. Feel free to take it to FYI.

[mraynrand]

The police have ZERO reasons to pull a gun on someone over suspected petty theft. Get real. That is 100% delusional and you're rationalizing unacceptable behavior. In most of the developed world, police rarely pull out guns. Feel free to take it to FYI.

Like I said, you live in some fantasy world, where B&E is a television channel, not a group of guys robbing and carrying. In the real world, especially places like Cleveland where there are over 120 different gangs, all armed, cops face different circumstances than those imagined in your naive, childish skull.

[call_me_ishmael]

Doesn't matter. You as a citizen have a right to not have your brain blown in by some nervous cop who decided to prematurely pull out his piece.

[mraynrand]

Doesn't matter. You as a citizen have a right to not have your brain blown in by some nervous cop who decided to prematurely pull out his piece.

that's a total non sequitur, iow it's par for the course for you and your sophomoric rhetoric.

[3irty1]

I know these narratives aren't as interesting if they are evidence-based, but I wish they'd report the timestamp of when a body cam was last running. If you turn your camera off DURING an escalating situation then some guy ends up beaten, well that implies about as much guilt as refusing a breathalyzer.

This Bennett incident does seem like a decent litmus test for tribalism. Your options of narratives include the uncharitable Bennett whose publicly advertised the axe he's grinding, or the narrative of a police union who will reliably protect any officer no matter what.

[mraynrand]

If you turn your camera off DURING an escalating situation then some guy ends up beaten, well that implies about as much guilt as refusing a breathalyzer.

Absolutely. Any officer who does something like this should never police again and be charged with something, depending on the particular incident.

[bobblehead]

Then these whiny ass cops write a letter to the NFL mentioning how Bennett doesn't stand for the flag like that has anything to do with what happened.

And this whiny ass poster says I must be white, as if that has anything to do with what happened.

[bobblehead]

On its face, pulling guns about a property crime seems like unnecessary escalation. Did they have reason to expect you to be armed? I understand they don't want you to get the drop on them, but given you were already seen, seems like there is another way to safety approach.

I disagree Pb, and I respect your opinion in most things. An officer approaching ANY individual in a possible crime probably should have his firearm drawn until he has reason to believe he DOESN'T need it.

[bobblehead]

The cameras being off should be a fireable offense.
.

I tend to agree, but I THINK its not mandatory at this point in Las Vegas. I will say that their cameras being off lends credibility to Bennett's side of the story though.

[bobblehead]

I am not MMQ this situation. I am saying the entire approach to police conduct, from training through conduct review and correction and data collection, is riddled with holes and self dealing.

The administrators allowed to get away with this have reasons to bury bad news. Its almost the union head's job. Those who do poor police work have obvious motives. Its simply a stupid way to do the public's business. There are exceptions and model programs and departments. But the fact that the difference never even gets discussed is why this never gets fixed. And trust is not earned back. Its either with the police or against them.

I just realized you are one post from 50k.. I can be a complete dick to you and you dare not waste that post on pettiness :) I won't though. I respect the 50k too much.

[mraynrand]

I disagree Pb, and I respect your opinion in most things. An officer approaching ANY individual in a possible crime probably should have his firearm drawn until he has reason to believe he DOESN'T need it.

Particularly in cases where they can't see what they're facing.

Our personal perspectives are so dramatically different than the police officer. We know we're innocent, but they have to assume the worst, or they get shot. Especially in areas with high crime, high levels of gang activity, stolen gun possession, etc. etc.

[mraynrand]

I just realized you are one post from 50k.. I can be a complete dick to you and you dare not waste that post on pettiness :) I won't though. I respect the 50k too much.

I don't respect it at all! I will keep taunting him to waste his 'epic' post on some trivial response!

[bobblehead]

Actually... there was once upon a time a Famous Man that wore NO.4 in Green Bay.



Paul Molitor?

[bobblehead]

LOL there is a zero percent chance you're not a middle-aged white man. LOL!

I am well above middle class thank you very much. 100% self made as well. I already posted my age, so that was easy. Do you consider someone with significant hebrew and native american blood white? just checking. Come to vegas, we'll have a beer. You will see I'm not the devil you think I am.

[bobblehead]

The police have ZERO reasons to pull a gun on someone over suspected petty theft. Get real. That is 100% delusional and you're rationalizing unacceptable behavior. In most of the developed world, police rarely pull out guns. Feel free to take it to FYI.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRKtflyhuec

Lotta videos of situations where there is "ZERO reasons to pull a gun". And these guys were suspected of traffic violations at the point they were pulled over.

[Patler]

I know, it's all sunshine and rainbows in your little safe corner of reality. But there are a lot of places in the US of A where crime rates are high, people rob and shoot each other, and that thin blue line exists to protect people. Even churches exist in high crime areas, section 8 housing areas, where people have stolen weapons that they use against each other and the cops. Yeah, the cops draw guns when they don't know what's inside a building they think may be being robbed by an unknown number of unknown people. Again, I recommend following police instructions. It lowers your chances of being shot dead.

A man washing windows on the Milwaukee Journal/Sentinel building in downtown Milwaukee was shot yesterday when a drive-by gunman missed the parked car he was shooting at:

http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2017/09/07/man-shot-washing-windows-milwaukee-journal-sentinel-downtown-office/642951001/

[call_me_ishmael]

I am well above middle class thank you very much. 100% self made as well. I already posted my age, so that was easy. Do you consider someone with significant hebrew and native american blood white? just checking. Come to vegas, we'll have a beer. You will see I'm not the devil you think I am.

BS alert. Nobody is self made. I don't think you're the devil :)

[bobblehead]

BS alert. Nobody is self made. I don't think you're the devil :)

Sounds like white guilt to me. On a technical argument, no one is self made. For intents of the term as it applies today....I came from nothing and achieved the Dream. Never handed a big education. Never handed a job. Never handed a thing. I had a good mother, that was worth everything to me.

[woodbuck27]

Paul Molitor?

A decent MLB player but hardly the MAN wearing The Number 4 you might have named if.......you ..... weren't such a ........... (" I enjoy being such a " bobblehead ) ............ pain in the A$$. :-)

[woodbuck27]

I am well above middle class thank you very much. 100% self made as well. I already posted my age, so that was easy. Do you consider someone with significant hebrew and native american blood white? just checking. Come to vegas, we'll have a beer. You will see I'm not the devil you think I am.

Man you've got it all.....but.... I bet you cannot tell us how many feathers there are on a Penguin?

[3irty1]

Being perfectly judicious with the state's monopoly of force when milliseconds matter is not a great job for hairless apes to have to do. By whatever rational one can conceive of a legitimate police force, taking this fact into account will mean they must have considerable leeway for their situational judgement. There will always be comparable situations where one cop will use force while another tolerates more personal risk to deescalate the situation completely. This makes it tempting to move the goalposts on cops, expecting typical duty to include heroics and attributing the lesser outcome to officer prejudice.

[mraynrand]

BS alert. Nobody is self made.

You didn't build that!

[mraynrand]

Man you've got it all.....but.... I bet you cannot tell us how many feathers there are on a Penguin?

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-nnE1wzpiFvw/V_RrXXTvk5I/AAAAAAAADLo/eK3mJOH8kMQl6Bj_YZbFI_RFEHgqXF_ngCLcB/s640/enhanced-18771-1451928633-6.jpg

http://www.penguinworld.com/types/rockhopper_files/stacks-image-d9b0893-1200x674.jpg

[bobblehead]

Man you've got it all.....but.... I bet you cannot tell us how many feathers there are on a Penguin?

Only if you tell me the airspeed on an unladen swallow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liIlW-ovx0Y

[hoosier]

Don't forget the capital of Assyria

[swede]

It's important in all these publicized police encounters to remember, in particular at the beginning, the following:

1) You weren't there
2) You don't know all the facts
3) the first reports are always the least accurate
4) your bias affects your interpretation
5) The media have and will frame the story according to their biases, including presenting altered audio or video

About a year ago there was a local Mke news story about an aide who struck a special needs child. One of the other special needs children had a cell phone out and was rolling, this being a Milwaukee public school, so we got to see the aide losing her temper and striking the boy. In the earliest reports you saw the whole thing. The aide was angry and frustrated and the students were being loud and disrespectful. She suddenly backhanded the boy, but it was clear that she pulled the punch, as it were. Think of the dad hitting John Travolta in the hair at the dinner table in Saturday Night Fever. It was a "What's the matter with you?" smack. [At this point I interject to say that the aide should have been fired. Violence is unacceptable in the classroom, and even such a minor smack as the one the aide delivered represents a failure in temperament that must not be tolerated or excused.] But the television stations, sensing their story about classroom violence was being undercut by the cellphone video's portrayal of the aide's "Leave it to Beaver" level of pugilism, began editing the video to pause at the moment of impact. This is the moment the student flinched and just before the aide's hand began to draw back. Eureka! Much more violenter!

Alas, the aide was black so the story lacked legs, and I doubt anyone even got paid by the MMSD, though there was some quick lawyering up. That doctored video would have been a pretty big deal had it been a white aide. Dang it.

[QBME]

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-nnE1wzpiFvw/V_RrXXTvk5I/AAAAAAAADLo/eK3mJOH8kMQl6Bj_YZbFI_RFEHgqXF_ngCLcB/s640/enhanced-18771-1451928633-6.jpg

http://www.penguinworld.com/types/rockhopper_files/stacks-image-d9b0893-1200x674.jpg

All of them??

[Brandon494]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=295&ebc=ANyPxKrzw9sPI8gVvod2gSyifdcnz4qJLC4iEBN1dXyxXd qN556gooMF4uNJ56abp3gOoS0scSstZGuL-1Yg1gsDnnbqLJfPrg&v=9YDpWSUG854

Can't wait to hear someone try to defend this

[Zool]

In most of the developed world, police rarely pull out guns. Feel free to take it to FYI.

Could you possibly give some statistics to back up this assessment? Please make sure to include comparable population density, poverty levels, and racial majority and minority of the areas sited.

[call_me_ishmael]

Could you possibly give some statistics to back up this assessment? Please make sure to include comparable population density, poverty levels, and racial majority and minority of the areas sited.

No, I'm talking out of my ass but I would bet my bottom dollar it's accurate.

[mraynrand]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=295&ebc=ANyPxKrzw9sPI8gVvod2gSyifdcnz4qJLC4iEBN1dXyxXd qN556gooMF4uNJ56abp3gOoS0scSstZGuL-1Yg1gsDnnbqLJfPrg&v=9YDpWSUG854

Can't wait to hear someone try to defend this

WTF does this have to do with Bennett? Seems like you're opening a whole examination of police behavior. Maybe you should start a thread in FYI.

[mraynrand]

No, I'm talking out of my ass but I would bet my bottom dollar it's accurate.

Can't be intentionally ironic.

[call_me_ishmael]

Sorry I outright will admit I didn't do the research (no time) so no I don't have any links to provide proof right now. /shrug

[mraynrand]

Sorry I outright will admit I didn't do the research (no time) so no I don't have any links to provide proof right now. /shrug

not surprising

[Brandon494]

WTF does this have to do with Bennett? Seems like you're opening a whole examination of police behavior. Maybe you should start a thread in FYI.

WTF does it have to do with Bennett? Maybe it has something to do with how some cops judge blacks in this country which some of you cant seem to fucking wrap your head around. If they didn't release this tape (which they tried their hardest not to do until lawyers got involved) that old man would have been found guilty for simply using his golf club as a cane to get his morning paper.

[Brandon494]

Im done on this subject now, obviously being the only black guy on this board it hits home for me more but back to football talk only.

[mraynrand]

Im done on this subject now

So you rant and flee. Maybe have some stones and start a thread in FYI - or drop a line in an existing thread. We actually have kicked this around.


obviously being the only black guy on this board it hits home for me more ....

I wouldn't be so certain if I were you.

[mraynrand]

WTF does it have to do with Bennett? Maybe it has something to do with how some cops judge blacks in this country which some of you cant seem to fucking wrap your head around. If they didn't release this tape (which they tried their hardest not to do until lawyers got involved) that old man would have been found guilty for simply using his golf club as a cane to get his morning paper.

rant and flee. let's see if you have any courage to post in FYI. I would bet a lot you'll never do it. Probably all you'll do is wave your cane.

[bobblehead]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=295&ebc=ANyPxKrzw9sPI8gVvod2gSyifdcnz4qJLC4iEBN1dXyxXd qN556gooMF4uNJ56abp3gOoS0scSstZGuL-1Yg1gsDnnbqLJfPrg&v=9YDpWSUG854

Can't wait to hear someone try to defend this

Ok, I am stupid. My speakers weren't on. Anyway, why didn't he just set it down? But I do agree that doesn't change the fact the cop was being the way cops can be when we don't submit to their every command. I have never disagreed with that. btw, thats not just a black thing. Cops are taught at the academy level that we civilians must obey and respect their authority (insert cartman voice).

See, the big difference between me and you is that in your world every slight you ever encounter is about race. We probably agree more than disagree, but when you see a black man shot by an hispanic idiot with a gun you think its racism. I think its an idiot with a gun meets an idiot that wants to punch said idiot with a gun.

I see this video you posted and I say that many people shouldn't be cops. They lack the ability to process confrontation properly. I can't tell you why the female officer approached the old man. I can't tell you why she lied about swinging the club. It might be inner hatred of blacks. It could be a lot of things. It could simply be thats what cops do when you don't obey their commands.

[bobblehead]

Im done on this subject now, obviously being the only black guy on this board it hits home for me more but back to football talk only.

I don't desire you to be done. I want to understand your perspective, but I want you to understand mine as well. We aren't all racist. If you and I are in a store and I stare at you think for just one second "shit, my fly is down, its NOT because I'm black"

For my part I have long ago accepted that many black youths are treated unfairly by cops. But I have been treated unfairly by cops. They are authoritarian douchebags in many cases...and in many cases they are good honest people doing great things. We should honestly do our best to weed out cops that show incredibly poor judgement, but we should not say that Michael Brown was a peaceful angel who never hurt a fly and some racist cop shot him for no reason other than being black. When we do that we get egg on our faces when black eyewitnesses say his hands weren't up and store video shows him stealing from an old man and pushing him to the ground minutes earlier.

My viewpoint is that blacks want punishment for 100 years of being treated badly. They want to punish the police because some snooty bitch at Macy's followed them through the store. Instead how about we try to find a middle ground where we get bad cops off the street and keep good ones on it.

[pbmax]

My concern with officers drawing weapons are the conditions that cause them to draw weapons. Like the results of police interactions in general, we have next to no data on when it happens and what happens as a result.

In Rand's case, it might have been a dicey neighborhood with a pattern of violent robberies. Maybe the building had been targeted before by folks who were armed and discharging shots.

Sometimes its a report of shots fired in or near a casino.

Maybe police are headed to Section 8 housing. Maybe that set of buildings has a history of criminal activity.

But its reports like Richard Sherman's this week that have me thinking there is something else going on: (Of course, I cannot find the quote I want now, but main points are the story are in this link) http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seahawks/seahawks-richard-sherman-says-he-and-many-others-have-been-victims-of-racial-profiling-before/?utm_content=buffer2a9b4&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Incident #1, out for Jamaican food and you look like a suspect reported in the area? Matching hair, perhaps matching height, body type, etc.? OK, I get detaining him and checking him out.

But the other half of the story, where he and some teammates have been called to help an alumnus move furniture, is where my interest is piqued. The quote I saw elsewhere was that someone in the neighborhood called the police about people taking things out of the house or maybe vague suspicious activity and the police arrive with guns drawn at the front door.

I am just guessing about the neighborhood, but I assume its upscale if the homeowner is handing out $20-50 bucks for college kids to move furniture. I doubt the police, when they are called into that neighborhood for something non-violent normally have their guns drawn and eight cars for backup (Sherman said there were nine cars, whether this is exaggeration for effect or he actually counted I don't know). But they arrived in force. Was it because the call indicated it was a bunch of black dudes milling about the driveway? I have no way of knowing, no one does.

What I do know is that everyone who takes the side of cops know that police are generally not biased. And everyone who has one of Sherman's stories are convinced that the police react differently if they know a minority (or minority neighborhood) is involved.

And my bet is that there is something going on. Not overt, though that may exist, but implicit. And my suspicion is from that moment the entire interaction with the future suspects is affected. Further, I believe it leads to worse outcomes for all involved. Without reporting and numbers, I cannot gauge how severe or common. But I do think its important to take the reports seriously. And its high time to take the review and the reporting out of self-interested hands.

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