Montravius Adams

[QBME]

I briefly made mention of this in another thread, but can anyone explain Montravius Adams' status? He is the mystery man.

To recap: The fourth round (?) rookie draftee out of Auburn was having a decent training camp and then injured his foot. On August 1st he had surgery to have a screw drilled into his foot. According to reports the surgery went "as expected", and the prognosis was Montravius would be out approximately 6 weeks.

Here we are now just shy of 11 weeks later, and he is the invisible man. He is being carried on the 53 player roster - not assigned to PUP or IR, and yet no listing of him on the weekly injury report, practice participation or anything.

I don't follow the Twitter or other avenues of social media, but his status seems just a little bizarre.

Oh Montravius, Montravius
Where for art thou Montravius?

Anybody have a guess?

[pbmax]

At this point, given that he is practicing, I have to assume he is getting a redshirt year. No idea otherwise.

[QBME]

At this point, given that he is practicing, I have to assume he is getting a redshirt year. No idea otherwise.

Same thing occurred to me, but why tie up a roster spot and not just put him on IR?

Is he actually practicing? Cannot find any mention of him.

Additionally, we are bringing in D Linemen for a look, just doesn't make sense.

[pbmax]

I saw it mentioned, after his injury and rehab that he was practicing. If he went downhill after that, I have not heard.

[Joemailman]

I don't find it surprising that a rookie who missed almost all of training camp isn't playing yet. He missed a lot of valuable reps.

There are 3 reasons not to put him on IR:

He might not be hurt.

He could be needed later if they have injuries on the DL.

If you put him on IR, he can't practice. More lost reps for a rookie.

[HarveyWallbangers]

He's practicing. He's been a healthy scratch the last two weeks. Probably from all of the missed practice time.

[run pMc]

I'm guessing they'll plug him in more as the season goes on. They need the pass rush. He's pretty green but I'm curious to see if he can bring anything.

[Fritz]

I too still think it's a bit odd, because all the reports coming out of training camp were raves about his quick-twitch ability and his penetration. He was like the John Holmes of the defensive line group. But now he's invisible.

Good lord, let's hope it's not the Sherrod school of Packer history - talented guy gets drafted high, comes into camp, shows some promise (I will always argue that Sherrod did show promise as a left tackle - not as a run blocker but as a pass blocker), gets hurt, never lives up to promise.

[Smidgeon]

I too still think it's a bit odd, because all the reports coming out of training camp were raves about his quick-twitch ability and his penetration. He was like the John Holmes of the defensive line group. But now he's invisible.

Good lord, let's hope it's not the Sherrod school of Packer history - talented guy gets drafted high, comes into camp, shows some promise (I will always argue that Sherrod did show promise as a left tackle - not as a run blocker but as a pass blocker), gets hurt, never lives up to promise.

Jerrel Worthy

[Fritz]

Worthy was never worthy. He never flashed anything in camp except an ability to charge offside. If Rodgers ever played against him, every play would've been a free play.

[gbgary]

I saw it mentioned, after his injury and rehab that he was practicing. If he went downhill after that, I have not heard.

i know my day would go downhill if someone ran a screw into my foot.

[Smidgeon]

Worthy was never worthy. He never flashed anything in camp except an ability to charge offside. If Rodgers ever played against him, every play would've been a free play.

Worthy flashed in camp too. He disappeared when pads went on. So far, same with Adams because he hadn't practiced in pads when we could see because he got injured before they went on.

[woodbuck27]

I too still think it's a bit odd, because all the reports coming out of training camp were raves about his quick-twitch ability and his penetration. He was like the John Holmes of the defensive line group. But now he's invisible.

Good lord, let's hope it's not the Sherrod school of Packer history - talented guy gets drafted high, comes into camp, shows some promise (I will always argue that Sherrod did show promise as a left tackle - not as a run blocker but as a pass blocker), gets hurt, never lives up to promise.

I'll simply go with Sherrod was 'a BUST'.

TT doesn't do very well with 1st Round Picks.

http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/5408ba2becad0443179d3033-1200-900/ted-thompson-packers-1.jpg

2006 ... AJ Hawk..He never fulfilled his promise. He made a ton of money from Ted Thompson. Ohh 'You bought the Jersey ' !

2007... Justin Harrell...Dear GOD ! Ted waited though.

2008... TT traded down or out of the First Round.

2009... B.J. Raji...A Heavy Parking Lot Pylon.

2011... Derek Sherrod.TT demonstrated another level of patience there.

2013... Datone Jones. He is one team away from being on the Roster of every NFCN Team.

2015... Damarious Randall.Our newest NFL Poster Boy For 'I'm A Serious Problem Child'.

2017.. TT traded down or out of the First Round.

[ThunderDan]

I'll simply go with Sherrod was 'a BUST'.

TT doesn't do very well with 1st Round Picks.

http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/5408ba2becad0443179d3033-1200-900/ted-thompson-packers-1.jpg

2006 ... AJ Hawk..He never fulfilled his promise. He made a ton of money from Ted Thompson. Ohh 'You bought the Jersey ' !

2007... Justin Harrell...Dear GOD ! Ted waited though.

2008... TT traded down or out of the First Round.

2009... B.J. Raji...A Heavy Parking Lot Pylon.

2011... Derek Sherrod.TT demonstrated another level of patience there.

2013... Datone Jones. He is one team away from being on the Roster of every NFCN Team.

2015... Damarious Randall.Our newest NFL Poster Boy For 'I'm A Serious Problem Child'.

2017.. TT traded down or out of the First Round.

Funny, you missed Aaron Rodgers.

[ThunderDan]

AJ Hawk, while not living up to the #5 pick, is the all time leading tackler in Packer history.

[ThunderDan]

2008 traded 1st round pick and got Jordy Nelson 6 spots later.

[ThunderDan]

2010 Bryan Bulaga

[ThunderDan]

2012 Nick Perry

[ThunderDan]

2014 Ha Ha Clinton-Dix

[ThunderDan]

2016 Kenny Clark

[Joemailman]

2008 traded 1st round pick and got Jordy Nelson 6 spots later.

2010 Bryan Bulaga

2012 Nick Perry

2014 Ha Ha Clinton-Dix

2016 Kenny Clark




Can't wait for the 2018 pick.

[ThunderDan]

Just for comparison 1st round picks for Dallas:
2005 DeMarcus Ware, Marcus Spears
2006 Bobby Catpenter
2007 Anthony Spencer
2008 Felix Jones, Mike Jenkins
2009 No Pick
2010 Dez Bryant
2011 Tyron Smith
2012 Morris Claiborne
2013 Travis Fredrick
2014 Zack Martin
2015 Byron Jones
2016 Ezekiel Elliott
2017 Taco Charlton

[Smidgeon]

I'll simply go with Sherrod was 'a BUST'.

TT doesn't do very well with 1st Round Picks.

http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/5408ba2becad0443179d3033-1200-900/ted-thompson-packers-1.jpg

2006 ... AJ Hawk..He never fulfilled his promise. He made a ton of money from Ted Thompson. Ohh 'You bought the Jersey ' !

2007... Justin Harrell...Dear GOD ! Ted waited though.

2008... TT traded down or out of the First Round.

2009... B.J. Raji...A Heavy Parking Lot Pylon.

2011... Derek Sherrod.TT demonstrated another level of patience there.

2013... Datone Jones. He is one team away from being on the Roster of every NFCN Team.

2015... Damarious Randall.Our newest NFL Poster Boy For 'I'm A Serious Problem Child'.

2017.. TT traded down or out of the First Round.

Woody, you're looking through anti-TT colored glasses, and it's majorly clouding your judgment.

From a post of mine back in April before the draft:


TT has only had a few mid or top of the round picks:
2006: AJ Hawk (#5). Reliable starter, eminently replaceable (but wasn't) in a draft that was overall just terrible.
2007: Justin Harrell (#16). A miss. Injuries killed his career. I don't like calling injured players busts as I reserve that for the Ahmad Carrolls of the NFL, but you can if you want
2009: BJ Raji (#9). Flashed very brightly in 2010 helping lead to a Super Bowl. I don't know how I'd rank him otherwise, but I'd trade the #9 pick in the draft for that kind of performance in a Super Bowl winning year.

Those are the only times TT picked within the Top 20. After Rodgers first starting season, he hasn't picked inside the 20s (barring a trade up, this will be the eighth year in a row). Restocking and finding quality is tough when two thirds of the league has picked their favorites before you get a chance.

Here are the rest of TT's first round picks in draft order:
21 (2014): HHCD - appears to be long term starter and a good player
23 (2010): Bulaga - long term starter and a good player
26 (2009): Matthews - the second first round pick that year, and someone who had several great seasons to start his career but has tapered off due to injuries; still a good player
27 (2016): Clark - too early to tell, but he flashed in the playoffs against a good Dallas O-line
28 (2012): Perry - not a flashy pass rusher, but a very good run defender, and some argue more important to the D than Matthews because of that
30 (2015): Randall - a terrible sophomore campaign that followed a very promising rookie campaign--he's got one more year to turn it around before we Casey Hayward him.
30 (2008): Traded into second round for Jordy Nelson
32 (2011): Sherrod - along with Harrell, the only (so far--Randall, I'm watching you) outright miss by TT in the first round, but again, due to injuries; as I recall though, many people hated the Harrell pick but loved the Sherrod pick at the time. Both failed for the same three reasons: injuries, injuries, injuries.

Anyway, with only 2 out of 12 (maybe 3 depending on how Randall rebounds) first round picks outright failing to deliver value for the Packers, I'd say he's done a pretty good job picking through the leftovers at the end of the round.

If Clark doesn't turn into something special though, I would think we're due for another star in this draft. It's random and completely unpredictable, but we haven't gotten a bonafide star for a while.

[pbmax]

Should trade all picks to get into the 2nd round, 4th round and 6th and 7th.

Just avoid 1, 3 and 5 altogether.

[hoosier]

Funny, you missed Aaron Rodgers.

And CMIII...

[denverYooper]

Raji had an unfortunately short career but he was a huge factor in that 2010 defense and SuperBowl run. His play down the stretch that year makes it pretty tough to argue that was a bad pick.

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Raji had an unfortunately short career but he was a huge factor in that 2010 defense and SuperBowl run. His play down the stretch that year makes it pretty tough to argue that was a bad pick.

if it wasn't for the touchdown and the truffle shuffle afterwards, i doubt most people would remember him other then being a 1st round bust

[Pugger]

if it wasn't for the touchdown and the truffle shuffle afterwards, i doubt most people would remember him other then being a 1st round bust

I think you are being rather harsh in your assessment of Raji's play. He had 152 solo tackles and 11 sacks as a nose tackle in 6 years.

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I think you are being rather harsh in your assessment of Raji's play. He had 152 solo tackles and 11 sacks as a nose tackle in 6 years.

sooo, 25 or so tackles a year and less then 2 sack per year for a 1st round pick

also, we gave up a ton of yards on the ground when he was in there being the run stuffer

we were talking about him being a bust before he quit on the team, then came back only to be injured right away (to grab his paycheck imo), then give up on the team again

at the end of the day, at best, you could say he was average. never came close to being worth the #9 pick or whatever he was

[woodbuck27]

Funny, you missed Aaron Rodgers.

I posted strictly those First Round Picks that are Busts or have some questions attached to them.

How many clear cut 'Voted In' Pro Bowls did AJ Hawk garner? He was a very high Pick and he didn't live up to what TT might have hoped for and his College Production.

Jordy is a tremendous WR. I confined my Post to 1st Round 'PICKS'.

[ThunderDan]

I'll simply go with Sherrod was 'a BUST'.

TT doesn't do very well with 1st Round Picks.

No Woody, what you did is said "TT doesn't do very well with his first round picks." Then you listed his questionable picks.

Somehow you missed the best 1st round pick in 20+ years. That pick alone has made the Favre transition easy and seemless instead of years of crap like most franchises have at QB.

[bobblehead]

I posted strictly those First Round Picks that are Busts or have some questions attached to them.

How many clear cut 'Voted In' Pro Bowls did AJ Hawk garner? He was a very high Pick and he didn't live up to what TT might have hoped for and his College Production.

Jordy is a tremendous WR. I confined my Post to 1st Round 'PICKS'.

So woody, who would you have picked instead of Hawk? You have to drop to the 12th pick, Haloti Ngata, to find someone with a clear cut better career than Hawk. Vernon Davis, Michael Huff, ooohhh...Jay Cutler.

[bobblehead]

I posted strictly those First Round Picks that are Busts or have some questions attached to them.

How many clear cut 'Voted In' Pro Bowls did AJ Hawk garner? He was a very high Pick and he didn't live up to what TT might have hoped for and his College Production.

Jordy is a tremendous WR. I confined my Post to 1st Round 'PICKS'.

So, like a good statistician you confined your criteria to meet your predetermined outcome...well played.

[Harlan Huckleby]

He could be needed later if they have injuries on the DL.

Ya, this is certainly what they are thinking. Guy is better than practice squad talent. Injuries will happen.

[Fritz]

So Adams is inactive again?

Man, the way the writers were drooling over him in camp, I thought he was The Next Big Thing.

And by the way, I really don't recall anyonw drooling over Jerel Worthy in training camp. In fact, I think people got worried right away, as blockers swallowed him up and his quick twitch wasn't quick enough to get him past the offensive line in the NFL.

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So woody, who would you have picked instead of Hawk? You have to drop to the 12th pick, Haloti Ngata, to find someone with a clear cut better career than Hawk. Vernon Davis, Michael Huff, ooohhh...Jay Cutler.

that looks like one of the most loaded drafts of all time, at the time

but it turned out to be complete shit

[George Cumby]

So Adams is inactive again?

Man, the way the writers were drooling over him in camp, I thought he was The Next Big Thing.

And by the way, I really don't recall anyonw drooling over Jerel Worthy in training camp. In fact, I think people got worried right away, as blockers swallowed him up and his quick twitch wasn't quick enough to get him past the offensive line in the NFL.

Didn’t you pan that pick immediately? Worthy I mean.

[Guiness]

Just for comparison 1st round picks for Dallas:
2005 DeMarcus Ware, Marcus Spears
2006 Bobby Catpenter
2007 Anthony Spencer
2008 Felix Jones, Mike Jenkins
2009 No Pick
2010 Dez Bryant
2011 Tyron Smith
2012 Morris Claiborne
2013 Travis Fredrick
2014 Zack Martin
2015 Byron Jones
2016 Ezekiel Elliott
2017 Taco Charlton

Who's this No Pick guy? Did he turn out?

Seriously, I read that quickly the first time and went 'I don't remember him...' then the lightbulb went on :roll:

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Who's this No Pick guy? Did he turn out?

Seriously, I read that quickly the first time and went 'I don't remember him...' then the lightbulb went on :roll:

one of TT's best first round picks

[run pMc]

Worthy was never worthy. He never flashed anything in camp except an ability to charge offside. If Rodgers ever played against him, every play would've been a free play.

What I heard about Worthy coming out was that he was good at anticipating snap counts and his whole game was predicated on a fast get-off...but that was in college. In the pros, you need more than that and he didn't have it. Adams is a R4, they'll give him a chance to play eventually. If he doesn't pan out he won't be the first guy. Worthy flopping as a R2 was costly. My guess is Adams is healthy but learning the game and the scheme. I don't know that I'd put him on the active 46 or play him over Dial or Francois, but I think he's going to get his chance soon.

[Smidgeon]

What I heard about Worthy coming out was that he was good at anticipating snap counts and his whole game was predicated on a fast get-off...but that was in college. In the pros, you need more than that and he didn't have it. Adams is a R4, they'll give him a chance to play eventually. If he doesn't pan out he won't be the first guy. Worthy flopping as a R2 was costly. My guess is Adams is healthy but learning the game and the scheme. I don't know that I'd put him on the active 46 or play him over Dial or Francois, but I think he's going to get his chance soon.

His chance might be on the O-line if injuries keep piling up there.

[woodbuck27]

Woody, you're looking through anti-TT colored glasses, and it's majorly clouding your judgment.

From a post of mine back in April before the draft:

A nice analysis in Post #23 of this thread.

TT and the Packer Drafts of late:

https://lombardiave.com/2017/01/31/ted-thompson-deffense-draft-picks/

Ted Thompson: His last five Green Bay Packers drafts are defensive misery

By Raymond Rivard8 months agoFollow @lombardiave

" The Packers GM, who was himself a linebacker in the NFL during his playing days, however, doesn’t seem to be able to draft any player worth their salt on that side of the line.

To make a point, we’ve gone back five years – the amount of time most coaches and GMs are given to produce a Super Bowl champion – and taken a look at the defensive players drafted by Thompson.

What we found wasn’t pretty."

Please Click on the LINK above for more....



Comment woodbuck27: I simply have higher expectations based in what I expect from myself.

I don't still ever do anything and not aim to do it very well. All my life I have proven personally that outstanding effort gave me outstanding results. All my life I rose to the highest levels.I strived to be the WINNER...and too often I was or came close to the GOLD.

That hasn't changed since I joined Packerrats. If you imagine otherwise then I'll suggest you and prejudice. I trust my determination, attitude, brains, skills and wisdom. I don't give a damn and what anyone here imagines different and me. I know who I am.

As for TT. All I see now is Burn Out.

That isn't anything and a prejudice against TT. I actually like Ted Thompson as a person that is rather gentle in his style of being himself. I look at anything and try with great effort to see it as it really is. I'm a Canadian and we hate prejudice and discount anyone who instructs their life on such a lousy basis. Check out the POLLS and our Canadian view of a certain ahhhhh hahaha... I'll go with personality and the USA.

I will remain in my analysis and Green Bay Packers with this:

I hope strongly that Ted Thompson let's go of his GM position this Season. I certainly do NOT want him having any post Packer GM capacity as a Draft Advisor.

[woodbuck27]

I think you are being rather harsh in your assessment of Raji's play. He had 152 solo tackles and 11 sacks as a nose tackle in 6 years.

What did you see him become?

[mraynrand]

What did you see him become?

A guy who had 152 solo tackles and 11 sacks as a nose tackle in 6 years.

[woodbuck27]

So woody, who would you have picked instead of Hawk? You have to drop to the 12th pick, Haloti Ngata, to find someone with a clear cut better career than Hawk. Vernon Davis, Michael Huff, ooohhh...Jay Cutler.

There is so much that is LUCK and making a Draft Pick. The picks below were certainly productive game changers for their teams:

12 Baltimore Ravens Haloti Ngata DT Oregon

14 Philadelphia Eagles Brodrick Bunkley DT Florida State

17 Minnesota Vikings Chad Greenway LB Iowa

20 Kansas City Chiefs Tamba Hali DE Penn State

I didn't look past the 2oth Pick; that wasn't a good Draft overall as I recall it.

[pbmax]

A guy who had 152 solo tackles and 11 sacks as a nose tackle in 6 years.

Also as an out of position 3 technique.

[woodbuck27]

Also as an out of position 3 technique.

Can we agree then that he wasn't adaptable? :-|

He actually IMO was for the most part unavailable or sadly 'Useless Flesh' after the Packers last Super Bowl win.

[bobblehead]

There is so much that is LUCK and making a Draft Pick. The picks below were certainly productive game changers for their teams:

12 Baltimore Ravens Haloti Ngata DT Oregon

14 Philadelphia Eagles Brodrick Bunkley DT Florida State

17 Minnesota Vikings Chad Greenway LB Iowa

20 Kansas City Chiefs Tamba Hali DE Penn State

I didn't look past the 2oth Pick; that wasn't a good Draft overall as I recall it.
You sort of prove my point though. No one...NO ONE would have made any of those picks at #5....except in hindsight.

[woodbuck27]

You sort of prove my point though. No one...NO ONE would have made any of those picks at #5....except in hindsight.

However you choose to 'slice and dice it'.

TT doesn't Draft well on'D' and that fact is certainly obvious (See Post #42).

[bobblehead]

However you choose to 'slice and dice it'.

TT doesn't Draft well on'D' and that fact is certainly obvious (See Post #42).

I won't defend TT much in this regard, but like all articles they cherry pick a bit to make their predetermined point. If TT had resigned Micah Hyde and Casey Hayward things look a lot better right now. Kenny Clark looks like a winner to me so far. Martinez and Lowry look like NFL talent. I wanted Watt, but King was my second choice and Josh Jones has me interested. If all these young guys come on and stop getting concussions it could make up for a few bad drafts. King is key here. We need a guy to emerge as a semi shut down CB. House is ok as a 2 and after that you rely on scheme and not getting bad matchups. I like our safety and DL situations. Can 2 of the 3, Perry, Mathews, Brooks stay healthy?

Just like last year the sudden end of Sam Shields career is hurting us. We lack CB talent and the little we have keeps getting hurt. Again, my expectations are reasonable. .500 without rodgers against the softer part of our schedule. If that doesn't happen heads must roll. If that doesn't happen with your hand crafted 3rd year backup its all true. Rodgers has been saving your ass for this long.

[Zool]

However you choose to 'slice and dice it'.

TT doesn't Draft well on'D' and that fact is certainly obvious (See Post #42).

Thompson drafted Daniels, Perry, Matthews, Clark, Lowry, Collins, found Shields and Tramon undrafted. To say he can't draft for D is stupid. To say he has a worse record than any other GM over specific timeframes is not what click-bait article writers do. They cherry pick data to get rubes to shout "FUCK YEAH" at their monitors so they can feel justified in their own mis-assertions.

Instead of saying Thompson can't draft D, stack up the rest of the league's hits and misses year over year. Then do it by round. You know, make a statement with facts instead of opinions. You won't because it doesn't fit your self created narrative.

[woodbuck27]

Thompson drafted Daniels, Perry, Matthews, Clark, Lowry, Collins, found Shields and Tramon undrafted. To say he can't draft for D is stupid. To say he has a worse record than any other GM over specific timeframes is not what click-bait article writers do. They cherry pick data to get rubes to shout "FUCK YEAH" at their monitors so they can feel justified in their own mis-assertions.

Instead of saying Thompson can't draft D, stack up the rest of the league's hits and misses year over year. Then do it by round. You know, make a statement with facts instead of opinions. You won't because it doesn't fit your self created narrative.

WOW ! :whaa:

OK ..OK Ted Thompson and the Green Bay Packers have really really shitty LUCK ! :roll:

Tear after year after year after Year...... Bad Luck !

Sports writers and NFL Media Experts don't have a clue. What are they paid for?

Head scratch.....

[woodbuck27]

I won't defend TT much in this regard, but like all articles they cherry pick a bit to make their predetermined point. If TT had resigned Micah Hyde and Casey Hayward things look a lot better right now. Kenny Clark looks like a winner to me so far. Martinez and Lowry look like NFL talent. I wanted Watt, but King was my second choice and Josh Jones has me interested. If all these young guys come on and stop getting concussions it could make up for a few bad drafts. King is key here. We need a guy to emerge as a semi shut down CB. House is ok as a 2 and after that you rely on scheme and not getting bad matchups. I like our safety and DL situations. Can 2 of the 3, Perry, Mathews, Brooks stay healthy?

Just like last year the sudden end of Sam Shields career is hurting us. We lack CB talent and the little we have keeps getting hurt. Again, my expectations are reasonable. .500 without rodgers against the softer part of our schedule. If that doesn't happen heads must roll. If that doesn't happen with your hand crafted 3rd year backup its all true. Rodgers has been saving your ass for this long.

This stands out in your post:

" Rodgers has been saving your (TT's) ass for this long."

That is really too obvious.

[mraynrand]

OK ..OK Ted Thompson and the Green Bay Packers have really really shitty LUCK !

Year after year after year after Year...... Bad Luck !

Sports writers and NFL Media Experts don't have a clue. What are they paid for?


QFT

[Zool]

WOW ! :whaa:

OK ..OK Ted Thompson and the Green Bay Packers have really really shitty LUCK ! :roll:

Tear after year after year after Year...... Bad Luck !

Sports writers and NFL Media Experts don't have a clue. What are they paid for?

Head scratch.....

Much like you, they don't back any of their assertions up with facts only opinions.