Official Minnesota Vikings Game Day Thread

[ThunderDan]

what the fuck is that noise ras?

are the queens trying to use the brown note during games?

Yup, they sure do.

[woodbuck27]

at some point the injuries have to stop. right?

NO ! This is the NFL and football is a violent sport.

[Rastak]

Yup, they sure do.

Works for me....

[pbmax]

I have no idea who the right tackle is

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The OL on the last series was Justin McCray at LT, Lucas Patrick at LG, Corey Linsley at C, Jahri Evans at RG and Ulrick John at RT.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Still a 2 score game. Go get um, taxi squad!

[MadScientist]

This game is lost. Time to put the second stringers out there.


I think they all already are. :lol:

The second stringers are on IR. The third stringers got hurt in this game. Any more injuries and they'll have to have guys playing both ways.

[mraynrand]

The secondary is just as ragged as the offensive line.

ya, way down in the depth chart. 5,6, and 7 deep playing.

[Bossman641]

This game is lost. Time to put the second stringers out there.

They're all injured

[red]

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The OL on the last series was Justin McCray at LT, Lucas Patrick at LG, Corey Linsley at C, Jahri Evans at RG and Ulrick John at RT.

is he the fattest guy they could find in the stands wearing a packer jersey?

[Fosco33]

In 2013 I watched the games but it wasn't the same. With Rodgers you can recover from the litany of injuries and still be 4-1. Without... well. Who knows.

[red]

we are 3-5-1 all time without a-rod starting

[woodbuck27]

Da Bears are going to win (it's now 24-13 Chicago) and it looks like Atlanta may lose vs the worst 'O' in the NFL the Miami Dolphins up 20-17 with about 2.5 minutes left in the 4th Qtr.

[channtheman]

is he the fattest guy they could find in the stands wearing a packer jersey?

Lololol :lol: what's the highest pick we can get if we lose out, red? Brown's and giants gonna be 1 + 2 most likely. We might win one more game this year.

[pbmax]

is he the fattest guy they could find in the stands wearing a packer jersey?

Yes, but it was three games ago they pulled him.

Trevor, if you went left, there as a gap without a guy in it.

[red]

monty back in the game

[JohnMexico]

i dont need to see anymore of this kid. hes has years to learn at least the rudimentary skills to play NFL QB.

And we arent signing Kaep, so what are we really playing for?

[MadScientist]

Put Janis and Davis in and just chuck it long. Can't be any worse than what we are seeing.

[channtheman]

KUUUUUUHHHHHHNN! O... nevermind

[woodbuck27]

we are 3-5-1 all time without a-rod starting

We didn't have Hundley and his full name is:

Brett.......A. Hundley.....Jr. :-)

[Bossman641]

This game is painful to watch

[pbmax]

Nearly a great catch off tough pass.

But who is producing this game? No replay?

[red]

oh here we go with the kaepernick to green bay talk

he was only ever good against us, how the hell is he gonna be any good for us?

[mraynrand]

Put Janis and Davis in and just chuck it long. Can't be any worse than what we are seeing.

exactly, roll out and take some shots.

[channtheman]

Bring back Brett Favre!

[Guiness]

did Jordi honestly catch that??? Wow.

Kap gets mentioned. Guess that was inevitable. I want them to go forward with Hudley, but have to say it wouldn't bother me to see them bring him in at backup.

[Harlan Huckleby]

is he the fattest guy they could find in the stands wearing a packer jersey?

If you have to ask, you've never been to a GB game. There are bigger women. Ulrich John is svelte.

[mraynrand]

Nearly a great catch off tough pass.

But who is producing this game? No replay?

that's been terrible too

[red]

Nearly a great catch off tough pass.

But who is producing this game? No replay?

they're too busy loading up another a-rod injury replay

[JohnMexico]

oh here we go with the kaepernick to green bay talk

he was only ever good against us, how the hell is he gonna be any good for us?

im saying what good is watching this team as is?

does the organization wave the white flag at 4-2? because Hundley with this team is a white flag

[red]

If you have to ask, you've never been to a GB game. There are bigger women.

LOL, true

and tougher

[pbmax]

If you have to ask, you've never been to a GB game. There are bigger women. Ulrich John is svelte.

Don't be mean to people just because your upset Dear.

[woodbuck27]

i dont need to see anymore of this kid. hes has years to learn at least the rudimentary skills to play NFL QB.

And we arent signing Kaep, so what are we really playing for?

Hundley might succeed in the CFL.

The Packers seriously now need to look to a much better Backup QB and successor to Aaron Rodgers.

[red]

did Jordi honestly catch that??? Wow.

Kap gets mentioned. Guess that was inevitable. I want them to go forward with Hudley, but have to say it wouldn't bother me to see them bring him in at backup.

thats the big problem. you bring in kap and everyone who doesn't know anything about football is gonna be asking why he isn't starting

[mraynrand]

Bring back Brett Favre!

He's probably watching the game right here:

http://www.sunherald.com/latest-news/9epa3n/picture38704518/alternates/LANDSCAPE_1140/1011_BIFE_Broke%20Spoke%2001.jpg

[channtheman]

For those keeping tabs on other scores , isn't it funny how the Patriots are now beating the Jets by 10. Aikman was talking about how he called the blowout win for the Jets, ha ha ha.

[pbmax]

Well, Lowry figured the boot out.

[mraynrand]

Hundley might succeed in the CFL.

The Packers seriously now need to look to a much better Backup QB and successor to Aaron Rodgers.


STFU

[woodbuck27]

im saying what good is watching this team as is?

does the organization wave the white flag at 4-2? because Hundley with this team is a white flag

Are you kidding....TT is looking to his next DRAFT. MM is now wondering where he can find a decent Doctor and treating ulcers.

[pbmax]

Pipkins can tackle when he isn't suplexing.

[pbmax]

STFU

Who are you taking to ?

And why the F did you stop on the return Davis?

[Guiness]

If the Packers get flagged here, it's Davis' fault.

yup, there it is

[Harlan Huckleby]

Tex assures me that Hundley is the next Dak Prescott. I'm a believer.

[Harlan Huckleby]

BTW, Hundley is doing fine today.

[channtheman]

BTW, Hundley is doing fine today.

Considering how he's just been thrown in there with no practice he has looked pretty good. He should've had two touchdowns but Monty dropped one.

[mraynrand]

I still want to see them win this thing somehow. It is the Vikings and I can't stand 'em.

Want to see them plant Barr

Want to see some deep shots to Davis.

Want to see some misdirection - a WR reverse would be good.

Want to see a screen or two.

[ThunderDan]

Hundley will be better next week when he actually gets to practice with the starters.

We have to hope to go 3-3 if Rodgers is out 6 weeks.

[Rastak]

Tex assures me that Hundley is the next Dak Prescott. I'm a believer.

Whenever that guy says something I immediately take notice...:-)

[Joemailman]

I still want to see them win this thing somehow. It is the Vikings and I can't stand 'em.

Want to see them plant Barr

Want to see some deep shots to Davis.

Want to see some misdirection - a WR reverse would be good.

Want to see a screen or two.

Isn't Barr out with a concussion?

[mraynrand]

Who are you taking to ?

And why the F did you stop on the return Davis?

Woody. Perhaps the software is blocking the quote?

[pbmax]

Tripping isn't going to help

[Harlan Huckleby]

At this point, I would abandon running game.

[woodbuck27]

Who are you taking to ?

And why the F did you stop on the return Davis?

What does it matter? ... He's always been..always will be ............ a Chump Punk.

A ZERO. The back of any hand and his punk face.

Spit has more worth.

[pbmax]

Woody. Perhaps the software is blocking the quote?

Yes. On purpose perhaps too :D

[Joemailman]

Will someone please tell Fox that Rodgers' injury is no longer Breaking News?

[ThunderDan]

Got to go for it here. Nothing to lose.

[red]

Hundley will be better next week when he actually gets to practice with the starters.

We have to hope to go 3-3 if Rodgers is out 6 weeks.

we also have a bye in there

[channtheman]

Hundley will be better next week when he actually gets to practice with the starters.

We have to hope to go 3-3 if Rodgers is out 6 weeks.

Didn't they say Rodgers was out for the season? If Rogers has a chance of coming back this year I hope we win a few games otherwise who cares.

[Harlan Huckleby]

thank you, troy

roll out!

[pbmax]

Keep throwing that and then double move it deep.

[woodbuck27]

At this point, I would abandon running game.

At this point I would want this game to end before any more injuries.

This game and Packers....over.

[Bossman641]

Does hundley exclusively throw to jordy?

[Harlan Huckleby]

Will someone please tell Fox that Rodgers' injury is no longer Breaking News?

they are making a pun

[Rastak]

Not exactly leveled

[red]

we also have a bye in there

of course 6 weeks is if its just a crack

[Bretsky]

DEAR RED

IS IT TOO EARLY FOR YOU TO DO YOUR DAM JOB AND GO START TH 2018 NFL DRAFT THREAD ??

[Harlan Huckleby]

they should be throwing prayers. I recommend "Hail Mary"

[mraynrand]

Rodgers was out for 8 weeks last time. That one was a hairline fracture IIRC. If they see a sig. break and sep of bone, maybe that's why they would think year is over.

[Guiness]

Hundley might succeed in the CFL.

The Packers seriously now need to look to a much better Backup QB and successor to Aaron Rodgers.


closing the book on him after little more than a half after a week he didn't practice with the #1 offense?

of course, he is playing with the players he practiced with

[red]

Will someone please tell Fox that Rodgers' injury is no longer Breaking News?

they're just trying to do the same thing cnn always does

http://static5.businessinsider.com/image/534e6f26ecad04cb3724be62-1190-625/cnn-used-a-breaking-news-banner-on-the-sinking-of-the-titanic.jpg

[channtheman]

DEAR RED

IS IT TOO EARLY FOR YOU TO DO YOUR DAM JOB AND GO START TH 2018 NFL DRAFT THREAD ??

I know right? I asked a question about the draft and he didn't even respond.

[mraynrand]

I think with the o-line the way it is, Stubby pretty much surrendered. They did try though.

[red]

DEAR RED

IS IT TOO EARLY FOR YOU TO DO YOUR DAM JOB AND GO START TH 2018 NFL DRAFT THREAD ??

hmmmm

don't we already have one?

[Iron Mike]

Maybe it IS time for us to call the season a wash. Get a top-ten draft pick for once and draft a stud WR that can get seperation. Jettison Matthews and get some defensive help.

[Fosco33]

Someone tell fox to fuck off with the every 5 min 'breaking news' scroll bar.

[woodbuck27]

Looking at these early games and the NFL.

Some very surprising results and a terrible loss for the Green Bay Packers and The NFL.

I'm just shaking my head over it all. The shock will set in tomorrow I expect.

No...there are far worse things going on in this CRAZY world.

[Bretsky]

hmmmm

don't we already have one?


HMM
not sure; I don't really start paying attention til our season is done

Looks like that might be today

[mraynrand]

Maybe it IS time for us to call the season a wash. Get a top-ten draft pick for once and draft a stud WR that can get seperation. Jettison Matthews and get some defensive help.

it's only one draft

[Harlan Huckleby]

way to grind out that first down

[Fosco33]

Maybe Seneca Wallace is available.

[woodbuck27]

Maybe it IS time for us to call the season a wash. Get a top-ten draft pick for once and draft a stud WR that can get seperation. Jettison Matthews and get some defensive help.

I certainly agree on Clay Matthews value to the Packers.

That act is well past over.

[mraynrand]

Woodbuck: No...there are far worse things going on in this CRAZY world.



That's the spirit - put it into perspective - at least we aren't being nuked.

[Harlan Huckleby]

ya, check down

[Harlan Huckleby]

They are down by two scores. why not throw bombs and give it a shot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

fuck, shit happens

[woodbuck27]

closing the book on him after little more than a half after a week he didn't practice with the #1 offense?

of course, he is playing with the players he practiced with

Yup.

Hundley will fail. I just wrote that on 'the Wall'.

[Maxie the Taxi]

They are down by two scores. why not throw bombs and give it a shot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

fuck, shit happensAt least they're throwing it somewhere now. Ooops.

[channtheman]

They are down by two scores. why not throw bombs and give it a shot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

fuck, shit happens

We couldn't even throw the ball on fourth down don't get your hopes up.

[Freak Out]

Ok so I'm currently in Brussels....Rogers went down? Out for the season according to Reds draft thread. WTF?

[Joemailman]

After today the Packers will be tied for 1st place. :D:flag::five::bump::tup::wave:

[Rastak]

Thunder, missed a hold there...

[red]

Maybe it IS time for us to call the season a wash. Get a top-ten draft pick for once and draft a stud WR that can get seperation. Jettison Matthews and get some defensive help.

both good ideas

might also be time to have jordy and cobb take a walk too

[ThunderDan]

Good throw to Adams for the 1st.

[mraynrand]

ya, check down

they can't protect him even if Troy is befuddled by it

[pbmax]

Ok so I'm currently in Brussels....Rogers went down? Out for the season according to Reds draft thread. WTF?

That was announced as a possibility by the team for some reason. No idea why said if they weren't sure.

[red]

Ok so I'm currently in Brussels....Rogers went down? Out for the season according to Reds draft thread. WTF?

broken collar bone on throwing arm

team says he could miss the season= its a bad break and they know it

[Rastak]

Good throw to Adams for the 1st.

Not a bad grab either...

[mraynrand]

put the ball up in the end zone for chrissakes.

[woodbuck27]

I tossed the dart and no Bulls Eye.

[pbmax]

Hundley: Needs to work on touch passes like a screen

[channtheman]

put the ball up in the end zone for chrissakes.

Not gonna happen

[mraynrand]

Hundley is OK. They need an o-line and d-backs if they want to win games.

[channtheman]

Interesting thought. If Monty caught his TD and the refs didn't blow the ball hitting the ground, the score would be 14-20 and we'd be going for the lead right now.

[red]

need an o-line

[Rastak]

Shocking, thought you guys would win this one but you got run over.....later guys.

[channtheman]

Shocking, thought you guys would win this one but you got run over.....later guys.

Lol, troll. Just cause you've posted almost 15,000 times on a Packer board for some reason doesn't change it.

[pbmax]

No time to wait back there.

[mraynrand]

Not gonna happen

that's just horseshit. When they were at the 18, roll him and throw for the goal

[Bossman641]

Literally every single thing that could go wrong today did.

[woodbuck27]

Yes. On purpose perhaps too :D

That and me; Please allow me to elaborate :

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[Rastak]

Lol, troll

I did think you guys were going to kick their ass, you've been playing well and the Vikes are playing a journeyman backup QB. That said......Yessssssss!

[pbmax]

that's just horseshit. When they were at the 18, roll him and throw for the goal

This is the short game plan. They didn't practice rolling out with BH, so they aren't going to do it.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Lions may yet win.

[Maxie the Taxi]

This is the short game plan. They didn't practice rolling out with BH, so they aren't going to do it.In other words, no adjustments were made because of Arod's injury. hahahaha

[pbmax]

In other words, no adjustments were made because of Arod's injury. hahahaha

They made them, but not by adding plays. Throwing some out I imagine, especially as the O line got decimated.

[Bretsky]

THOUGHTS ON ROGERS HIT ????????????????????

If it's Tom Brady do they throw a flag ?

By the rules it's legal.

But it was a cheap shot IMO for sure.

[call_me_ishmael]

Vikes D is legit, wow!

[Bretsky]

I did think you guys were going to kick their ass, you've been playing well and the Vikes are playing a journeyman backup QB. That said......Yessssssss!

Your QB has looked pretty dam good to be honest

I'd take him in GB

[pbmax]

Your QB has looked pretty dam good to be honest

I'd take him in GB

:roll:

[Maxie the Taxi]

They made them, but not by adding plays. Throwing some out I imagine, especially as the O line got decimated.IMO they would have been better off to just let Hundley free lance it, draw up plays on the ground. It made no sense to have Hundley take a standard drop back every pass play when he had no time. He should have allowed Hundley to run it too. It's almost like once Arod got hurt, Stubby just said "Next man up." That ain't gonna work for a QB.

[mraynrand]

Literally every single thing that could go wrong today did.

Ya, this is the biggest clusterfavre we've witnessed since 2014 NFCC game

[Bossman641]

Whatever offense mm wanted to run with hundley was completely thrown out the window when you have backup guards playing left tackle and a brand new guy playing right tackle

[Bretsky]

:roll:

I didn't say he's better then our guy
But he's not a bad NFL backup

[esoxx]

THOUGHTS ON ROGERS HIT ????????????????????

If it's Tom Brady do they throw a flag ?

By the rules it's legal.

But it was a cheap shot IMO for sure.

Unnecessary hit.

Rodgers sure felt it was a cheap shot that's for damn sure.

[Bossman641]

Didn't have a problem with the hit. The end result sure sucks but I don't think it should have been flagged

[Maxie the Taxi]

Didn't have a problem with the hit. The end result sure sucks but I don't think it should have been flaggedYou have to ask yourself, what would Clay have done in that situation? Answer: Same damn thing.

[Rastak]

Unnecessary hit.

Rodgers sure felt it was a cheap shot that's for damn sure.

To be honest, and I sincerely mean this, that guy pisses and moans EVERY FUCKING TIME HE GETS HIT. If you brush up against him he feels like it's a cheap shot so I would't use that as a judge on a hits legality...

[Maxie the Taxi]

To be honest, and I sincerely mean this, that guy pisses and moans EVERY FUCKING TIME HE GETS HIT. If you brush up against him he feels like it's a cheap shot so I would't use that as a judge on a hits legality...You're wrong. Maybe true in the games you watched. Not true in the games I watched.

[Cheesehead Craig]

That's just the standard Viking commentary. They always say Rodgers complains a lot and is pampered. They always say the Packers get all the calls. They always say the NFL is out to get them. Just ignore it.

[mraynrand]

You have to ask yourself, what would Clay have done in that situation? Answer: Same damn thing.

probably. Put his weight into the guy. Been a while since Clay got a guy like that.

T. Bradshaw is saying Barr couldn't prevent it. That's pretty much wrong.

[mraynrand]

That's just the standard Viking commentary. They always say Rodgers complains a lot and is pampered. They always say the Packers get all the calls. They always say the NFL is out to get them. Just ignore it.

I revel in it. I hope it's true, but probably not.

[smuggler]

To be honest, and I sincerely mean this, that guy pisses and moans EVERY FUCKING TIME HE GETS HIT. If you brush up against him he feels like it's a cheap shot so I would't use that as a judge on a hits legality...

You only feel this way because you're biased. Most times he does the Favre bit, pats guys on the head for a good lick. Rodgers was just pissed because he knew what it felt like to break a collar bone and knew he'd done it again.

[Rastak]

You're wrong. Maybe true in the games you watched. Not true in the games I watched.


Could be, certainly seems like it but maybe he takes it like everyone else and it's my bias.

[Maxie the Taxi]

probably. Put his weight into the guy. Been a while since Clay got a guy like that.I've seen Clay do it, at least once. Can't remember exactly when, but I remember thinking it was stupid because he could have been flagged.

[Rastak]

That's just the standard Viking commentary. They always say Rodgers complains a lot and is pampered. They always say the Packers get all the calls. They always say the NFL is out to get them. Just ignore it.


Sup fellow Minnesotan. That motherfucker cries endlessly but feel free to dismiss it.

[smuggler]

If you want to say he whines for interference calls, I would agree with you. Any QB that does not whine for them is an idiot, honestly.

[mraynrand]

I've seen Clay do it, at least once. Can't remember exactly when, but I remember thinking it was stupid because he could have been flagged.

Barr had eyes on Rodgers and clearly saw the ball released. Then lowered his head and tackled. I'll look for some Clay sacks to see if I can find something similar.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Barr had eyes on Rodgers and clearly saw the ball released. Then lowered his head and tackled. I'll look for some Clay sacks to see if I can find something similar.Man, how are you going to do that?

[woodbuck27]

Literally every single thing that could go wrong today did.


A terrible day.

Realistically maybe a whole lot worse and Packer Nation than many Packer fans will have the vision to realize.

This loss and Aaron Rodgers may be a worse case scenario. I have a really bad taste in my mouth.

[Rastak]

Barr had eyes on Rodgers and clearly saw the ball released. Then lowered his head and tackled. I'll look for some Clay sacks to see if I can find something similar.


I agree...it's legal so lay a hit on him.....man, that's how the NFL has worked since the late 60's when I started watching.

[Rastak]

If you want to say he whines for interference calls, I would agree with you. Any QB that does not whine for them is an idiot, honestly.


No, he takes exception anytime he gets hit, look not trying to be an ass, just what I've seen. It might be might he's angling for a future roughing call. He's no dummy, just the opposite.

[woodbuck27]

Barr had eyes on Rodgers and clearly saw the ball released. Then lowered his head and tackled. I'll look for some Clay sacks to see if I can find something similar.

There wa no penalty called.

Rodgers was outside of the Pocket...end of story.

It's all now and Aaron's recovery , whenever, and when will he be seriously injured again?

I really think that this game is very bad news and being a Green Bay Packer fan and Rodgers and Hope for another Super Bowl.

Realistically this is VERY BAD ! I feel terrible for Aaron Rodgers. He was NFL 2017-18 Season MVP bound. By far the Leader and that.

Now I have that deep sucked out feeling you get when someone got that good shot into your guts.

[Gotarace]

There wa no penalty called.

Rodgers was outside of the Pocket...end of story.

It's all now and Aaron's recovery , whenever, and when will he be seriously injured again?

I really think that this game is very bad news and being a Green Bay Packer fan and Rodgers and Hope for another Super Bowl.

Realistically this is VERY BAD ! I feel terrible for Aaron Rodgers. He was NFL 2017-18 Season MVP bound. By far the Leader and that.

Now I have that deep sucked out feeling you get when someone got that good shot into your guts.

More like a solid kick in the Nuts...

[Cheesehead Craig]

Barr's hit on Rodgers was not cheap or dirty. Was a clean, hard hit. It completely fucks our season, but I can't get on that dirty play bandwagon.

[mmmdk]

Injury to HOF AR; This is why you need a defense. Goodnight and please bring some new blood to GBs GM and HC + minions of coaches after this season.

[woodbuck27]

This day and NFL and......what anyone might deem as 'reality' is clearly to use the best term:

Fucked !

I'm now weighing in on the early results and the late Sunday afternoon games and Week 6.

It seems like if your favoured to win the game today....your going to more likely lose !

Today and LIFE and the best predictor is simply think ..... backwards...think negative...think poorly...think stupid...think wrong.

We live in an upside down world.

Logic makes 'NO SENSE'. Evil Rules. Stupidity Rules.

All of that has been clearly predicted as will be the case and that is right now.

The Packers and NFL and Football hardly really matters.

So simply eat your Upside Down cake and smile and bear it if your right in your HEART and SOUL

Don't get FUCKED !

[Fosco33]

Agree that Clay would've taken the shot too. Still doesn't make it 'right'.

And I've been saying I'd be fine repurposing clays salary for a few years now. He seems to miss half the games and just isn't worth it.

[woodbuck27]

Injury to HOF AR; This is why you need a defense. Goodnight and please bring some new blood to GBs GM and HC + minions of coaches after this season.

Absolutely ! :glug:

The hope and this Season and we had some is done !

This season now falls all on TT and MM and the Position Coaches and the rest of the Staff.

We need competent 'Critical Analysis' as Packer fans. We need forward thinking (if the Packers look really bad) as this Season plays out.

I really feel looking at TT that he looks absolutely worn out. He and MM exist as a two and that Two will as I clearly see it; look bad after Aaron Rodgers.

[Patler]

That is often how collar bones are broken.


Broken Collarbone !?... If that is the TRUTH.....Patler as usual would then be right.

It's not official. Hope !




I am surprised unlike Patler that it was his shoulder.It looked like a right wrist to me after reviewing the play.

By the way in 9 games without Aaron Rodgers the Packers have a 3 - 5 -1 Record.

It was an easy call for me. I have seen numerous broken collar bones in hockey, including to one of my sons, caused the same way. As explained by an ortho to me, with an extended arm jammed the way it was, the force is transmitted to the collar bone, which can break quite easily.

[pbmax]

It was an easy call for me. I have seen numerous broken collar bones in hockey, including to one of my sons, caused the same way. As explained by an ortho to me, with an extended arm jammed the way it was, the force is transmitted to the collar bone, which can break quite easily.

He should have just taken the hit, extending his arm to break the fall probably made it worse in this case.

Of course, you don't know how the defender is going to twist or hold.

[pbmax]

Need new Game Day Thread starter next week.

[mraynrand]

I agree...it's legal so lay a hit on him.....man, that's how the NFL has worked since the late 60's when I started watching.

I agree.

When you know you only have about a 20% chance of winning with Rodgers in there your best chance is to knock him out of the game. Even if Barr had gone too far it's worth it. It might mean the Division and the playoffs.

The Saints made damn sure to maul the QB in 2009. The alternative is no Super Bowl. What's that worth? Barr got the best of both, he took Rodgers out and stayed 'within the rules'. Very smart. I hope the Packers return the favor next time they play.

[Rastak]

I agree.

When you know you only have about a 20% chance of winning with Rodgers in there your best chance is to knock him out of the game. Even if Barr had gone too far it's worth it. It might mean the Division and the playoffs.

The Saints made damn sure to maul the QB in 2009. The alternative is no Super Bowl. What's that worth? Barr got the best of both, he took Rodgers out and stayed 'within the rules'. Very smart. I hope the Packers return the favor next time they play.

Shitty assed example. Favre was hit in the pocket after the play and I mean WAY the fuck after the play. Barr hit your man on a routine play, no flag. When he hit him and I bet the majority of people were not "oh, what a late hit"...it looked routine as hell to me...

[Patler]

Barr hit your man on a routine play, no flag. When he hit him and I bet the majority of people were not "oh, what a late hit"...it looked routine as hell to me...

Ya, it looked routine as hell to me, too; but in today's NFL routine hits on QBs are also routinely flagged. I don't think that type of hit should be a penalty, but I am surprised that it was not flagged, because it usually is now days.

[mraynrand]

Shitty assed example. Favre was hit in the pocket after the play and I mean WAY the fuck after the play. Barr hit your man on a routine play, no flag. When he hit him and I bet the majority of people were not "oh, what a late hit"...it looked routine as hell to me...

Either way, they worked. If you can do it legally, all the better. Still, in the NFCC, the refs weren't calling (any?) late hits, so they (mostly) must have been legal. It was a smart play to drive Rodgers into the ground. May have won them the Division. I just hope the Packers take out a couple guys next time they play. Legally.

[Rastak]

Either way, they worked. If you can do it legally, all the better. Still, in the NFCC, the refs weren't calling (any?) late hits, so they (mostly) must have been legal. It was a smart play to drive Rodgers into the ground. May have won them the Division. I just hope the Packers take out a couple guys next time they play. Legally.


Dude, he did NOT drive him into the ground. I've watched the league for forty fucking years and that was routine. He did not do the drive into the ground thing. I've seen that a million times and this was not it.

[denverYooper]

Dude, he did NOT drive him into the ground. I've watched the league for forty fucking years and that was routine. He did not do the drive into the ground thing. I've seen that a million times and this was not it.

Sure looked like he drove Rodgers into the ground.

[woodbuck27]

More like a solid kick in the Nuts...

I don't know that feeling. I was always good at hand defense and scraping (street fighting) or competing in Martial Arts..

Playing so many sports and especially hockey I've got the wind knocked out of me.

[woodbuck27]

Dude, he did NOT drive him into the ground. I've watched the league for forty fucking years and that was routine. He did not do the drive into the ground thing. I've seen that a million times and this was not it.

The tackle on Aaron Rodgers was clean clean ..it was clearly clean.

There was no leading with the helmet and any or severe helmet contact either. Aaron Rodgers was plainly and simply tackled and wasn't driven to the ground.

How anyone could look at the replay of the tackle that ended Aaron Rodgers Season and maybe even threatening to his career success; isn't looking at it with an open mind.

Aaron was vulnerable (out of the QB's Pocket) and the worst case scenario resulted.

[Patler]

Sure looked like he drove Rodgers into the ground.

I didn't think so, just fell on top of him.

[mraynrand]

Dude, he did NOT drive him into the ground. I've watched the league for forty fucking years and that was routine. He did not do the drive into the ground thing. I've seen that a million times and this was not it.

I disagree. I think he landed pretty hard on him. Strong move. If you can KO the opposition - and legally - you should do it.

[mraynrand]

How anyone could look at the replay of the tackle that ended Aaron Rodgers Season and maybe even threatening to his career success; isn't looking at it with an open mind.

Stop looking at it then, until you have an open mind.

[woodbuck27]

It was an easy call for me. I have seen numerous broken collar bones in hockey, including to one of my sons, caused the same way. As explained by an ortho to me, with an extended arm jammed the way it was, the force is transmitted to the collar bone, which can break quite easily.

I saw the replay again after my post and I see exactly what your saying and the transmission of force from the hand >>> up the arm to >>> the shoulder and collarbone.

I even saw a flashback (in my memory) and the first time this happened to Aaron Rodgers.

Same side of the field and about the same distance out of the pocket and maybe at a greater angle to the LOS.

Lightning striking twice. Really bad news for The Green Bay Packers and Packer Nation. This one sucks so bad as Aaron's time is closing to it's end after this specific re-occurrence. This one really has to be hurting so many and REALLY PACKERS.

[denverYooper]

I didn't think so, just fell on top of him.

I disagree. He engaged his core and bent slightly forward as he made the hit, continuing to drive his feet. You could look at it and say he was following through on a tackle but there was no reason to follow through there.

[Patler]

If he was trying to drive him into the ground, it would have been a lot more violent than it was. Of course he was attempting to follow through on the tackle, that's what defenders do, given the opportunity. As I wrote before, I was surprised there was no flag, but I'm not offended that there wasn't.

A few years ago the consideration used to be that after the QB threw if a defender could hold up or lessen the blow, he had to. That became difficult to determine when QBs were on the run and a defender was running at full speed to get there. In response the league limited the protections after a QB leaves the pocket. I think that is where this play ended up. In the pocket, it would have been a penalty. With Rodgers on the run, not so clear.

[mraynrand]

He gave him a solid hit and landed on him with force. I think that's uncontroversial.

I think he knew the ball had been released, could have let up, but didn't. He got in a good hard legal hit and KOed Rodgers. Sucks to be us.

[woodbuck27]

If he was trying to drive him into the ground, it would have been a lot more violent than it was. Of course he was attempting to follow through on the tackle, that's what defenders do, given the opportunity. As I wrote before, I was surprised there was no flag, but I'm not offended that there wasn't.

A few years ago the consideration used to be that after the QB threw if a defender could hold up or lessen the blow, he had to. That became difficult to determine when QBs were on the run and a defender was running at full speed to get there. In response the league limited the protections after a QB leaves the pocket. I think that is where this play ended up. In the pocket, it would have been a penalty. With Rodgers on the run, not so clear.

If that tackle was even 1-2 seconds later maybe Packer fans have a complaint.

As it went down...NO and having any positive impact as the NFL does see it now and 'out of the pocket 'contact with the QB after a pass.

[denverYooper]

He gave him a solid hit and landed on him with force. I think that's uncontroversial.

I think he knew the ball had been released, could have let up, but didn't. He got in a good hard legal hit and KOed Rodgers. Sucks to be us.

This is really the bottom line. The rest is just an exercise in semantic analysis about how much force is needed to constitute "driving" and the connotations that word carries in our personal experiences.