More Banjo: Week 6 @ Minnesota

[pbmax]

A list of players who are not currently ailing:

1. Jones
2. Nelson
3. Adams
4. Cobb.
5. Bennett
6. Linsley
7. Kendrick
8. Ripper
9. Matthews
10. Clark
11. Lowry
12. Daniels
13. Jones
14. Dix
15. Randall
16. Hundley

All eyes will be on whether the "could be out for the season" is just semantics or an actual prognosis.

[red]

you almost had to change that last one. hundley got destroyed on the last play

[pbmax]

Packer Report‏ @PackerReport 3h3 hours ago
Rodgers is hurt and the crowd cheers.

NOT A FAN

Tom Silverstein @TomSilverstein 18m18 minutes ago
A group of Vikings fans seated below the press box are sarcastically chanting, "Go Pack Go."

WOULD DO SAME

[ND72]

How bad are the injuries, when even James Campen is on crutches on the sideline?

[Maxie the Taxi]

How bad are the injuries, when even James Campen is on crutches on the sideline?It so bad all the crutches have players' numbers on them.

[beveaux1]

Let's call it like it is. Without Rodgers, half our offensive line, more than half our defensive secondary, we will not be favored to beat the Saints at home. Without Rodgers, one of our starting tackles, missing a couple of DBs, we won't be favored to beat the Lions at home. I'm pretty sure the only team we have a great chance to be favored against is the Browns . We may win a couple of more games this year, but 6-10 or 7-9 is a probability. That might be a best case scenario.

[pbmax]

Jason Wilde‏ @jasonjwilde 17m17 minutes ago
#Packers official injury list:
Rodgers (collarbone)
Bulaga (concussion)
Taylor (knee/ankle)
Bakhtiari (hamstring)
Rollins (ankle)

[Freak Out]

How long did the tackles make it? Lol

[Maxie the Taxi]

Over the course of the rest of the season without Arod we're going to find out just how good a head coach and offensive wizard Stubby really is. I'm betting against him.

[pbmax]

Jason Wilde @jasonjwilde 20m20 minutes ago
Mike McCarthy: "Brett Hundley is my quarterback. Joe Callahan is the backup." #Packers coach squelching any speculation about the position.

DUMB. THAT MIGHT SQUELCH SPECULATION ABOUT THE CURRENT DEPTH CHART, DOUBT IT ENDS THE IDEA THAT THE PACKERS WILL PICK UP A QB

SERIOUSLY, THIS IS A THING ON THE INTERNET. PFT IS ON IT TOO. HE ISN'T THE GM AND ITS 10 MINUTES AFTER THE GAME IS OVER AND YOU THINK HE KNOWS WHAT HE IS GOING TO DO THE REST OF THE SEASON? OR SPEAKS FOR THE ACTUAL GM? GET A BRAIN MORANS!

Jason Wilde‏ @jasonjwilde 6m6 minutes ago
Brett Hundley calls Rodgers "his brother," says he's praying for him. As for his own performance, "We'll be better. We'll be better."

[Gotarace]

It looked like a complete Mash unit on the field at the end of the game...there was guys getting hurt I never even knew were on the team...AKA Lenzy Pipkins

[pbmax]

Over the course of the rest of the season without Arod we're going to find out just how good a head coach and offensive wizard Stubby really is. I'm betting against him.

HOLD ON. I mean, hold on. Was it the over/under on wizard?

[pbmax]

It looked like a complete Mash unit on the field at the end of the game...there was guys getting hurt I never even knew were on the team...AKA Lenzy Pipkins


Have you met Ulrich Jones, your new RT?

[Maxie the Taxi]

Have you met Ulrich Jones, your new RT?Don't you mean Ulrich Smith?

[pbmax]

Michael Cohen @Michael_Cohen13 5m5 minutes ago
There will be lots of talk about whether Barr’s hit was dirty. One #Packers player said yes because Barr saw Rodgers release the ball first.

Michael Cohen‏Verified account @Michael_Cohen13 2m2 minutes ago
Another #Packers player said no. He felt Barr was just playing and the hit was reasonable given his momentum and proximity to Rodgers.

Michael Cohen @Michael_Cohen13 2m2 minutes ago
So there you go, disagreement everywhere on that play.

[pbmax]

Don't you mean Ulrich Smith?

I might. At first I spelled it Ultricht, but then thought that sounded like a treaty signed in Europe 100 or more years ago.

[SMBASS]

I get that the NFL is, "next level" but I really don't understand all of the injuries. I watch a lot of college football and see guys continuously take poundings and just as big of hits without getting hurt. Though not all of them are elite athletes there are plenty of college players who are just as big, fast, and strong who become NFL players. I don't know if it's from lack of contact or what but it seems like as soon as guys get to the NFL they get hurt tripping over a blade of grass.

[Rutnstrut]

I get that the NFL is, "next level" but I really don't understand all of the injuries. I watch a lot of college football and see guys continuously take poundings and just as big of hits without getting hurt. Though not all of them are elite athletes there are plenty of college players who are just as big, fast, and strong who become NFL players. I don't know if it's from lack of contact or what but it seems like as soon as guys get to the NFL they get hurt tripping over a blade of grass.

The new NFL makes players more vulnerable to injury.

[pbmax]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DMNVkJ2XkAY6EwP.jpg:large

[pbmax]

Wes Hodkiewicz @WesHod 19m19 minutes ago
Overwhelming sentiment among teammates in locker room - Brett Hundley is ready #Packers

HE DOESN'T EVER LOSE THE PLAYERS

[woodbuck27]

Packer Report‏ @PackerReport 3h3 hours ago
Rodgers is hurt and the crowd cheers.

NOT A FAN

Tom Silverstein @TomSilverstein 18m18 minutes ago
A group of Vikings fans seated below the press box are sarcastically chanting, "Go Pack Go."

WOULD DO SAME

What !? Another NFL STAR player just bit the dust.

This is just too ugly.

[pbmax]

Michael Cohen‏ @Michael_Cohen13 10m10 minutes ago
Corey Linsley on Ulrick John playing right tackle: "You can tell when a guy walks in if he gives a shit or not, and Ulrick does." #Packers

I have to hope this is the minimum standard.

[ND72]

We'll have to wish Hundley a lot of luck this week...he lives like 100 yards from us....my daughter fell off her bike in front of him and he has basically ran away from us every time we go for a walk past his house. #stalkers

[pbmax]

Dirty hit? I don't think so. Did he do everything he could inside the rules to hurt him? Yep. But legal and not dirty.



https://vimeo.com/238318049

[pbmax]

Dana has had enough of the Packers being coddled by refs over the years.

Dana Litman‏ @DanaLitman
Not only are Packer fans whiners but their reports do too...guess that’s what happens when refs baby them for years.

[pbmax]

That is the first step:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DMNlgirUQAERE6K.jpg:large

[SMBASS]

Dana has had enough of the Packers being coddled by refs over the years.

Dana Litman‏ @DanaLitman
Not only are Packer fans whiners but their reports do too...guess that’s what happens when refs baby them for years.

Who in the fuck is Dana Litman and why would anyone give a shit about what he thinks or says? If we start posting every ignorant statement muttered by every random asshole on social media we'll end up breaking the internet. The cloud isn't big enough to hold that much stupid.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Who in the fuck is Dana Litman and why would anyone give a shit about what he thinks or says? If we start posting every ignorant statement muttered by every random asshole on social media we'll end up breaking the internet. The cloud isn't big enough to hold that much stupid.lol

[denverYooper]

The refs jobbed the shit out of the Pack today. The standards on what constituted a catch for the Vikings was "in the vicinity of the ball".

Not that Green Bay would have won anyway, but they might have been within striking distance at the end.

[pbmax]

Who in the fuck is Dana Litman and why would anyone give a shit about what he thinks or says? If we start posting every ignorant statement muttered by every random asshole on social media we'll end up breaking the internet. The cloud isn't big enough to hold that much stupid.

He was yelling at Wilde when when asked of the hit was legal or dirty.

The internet already posted it, I put it here because Vikes fans are still seething over their neighbors even after a win.

[SMBASS]

He was yelling at Wilde when when asked of the hit was legal or dirty.

The internet already posted it, I put it here because Vikes fans are still seething over their neighbors even after a win.

I'm just jerking your chain pb! :glug: Although I actually don't know or care who in the hell Dana Litman is!

[red]

what is under the new shitty fake turf? is it the same as the old shitty fake turf? concrete?

or is it a softer base like dirt?

[Harlan Huckleby]

Dirty hit? I don't think so. Did he do everything he could inside the rules to hurt him? Yep. But legal and not dirty.



https://vimeo.com/238318049

A hard hit on opponent's scrambling QB. Nothing illegal or dirty. We complain about the pussyfying of the game, then also complain when a defender makes a hard, legal hit?

[pbmax]

what is under the new shitty fake turf? is it the same as the old shitty fake turf? concrete?

or is it a softer base like dirt?

Recycled shoe rubber. That is the pellets that shoot up like dust when they drag their feet.

[pbmax]

The refs jobbed the shit out of the Pack today. The standards on what constituted a catch for the Vikings was "in the vicinity of the ball".

Not that Green Bay would have won anyway, but they might have been within striking distance at the end.

I just can't get into blaming the refs. Because every Viking fan I know (its not a lot) prior to Ras just loved to think they were Dana Litman and lived under an eternal ref curse.

Its not just Favre or Rodgers, the guys I know thought Ditka got all the calls when he coached the Bears.

[red]

Recycled shoe rubber. That is the pellets that shoot up like dust when they drag their feet.

right i know that, whats under that?

or is it just like a foot of that shit?

[pbmax]

right i know that, whats under that?

or is it just like a foot of that shit?

No idea. But here is the incidence of certain injuries by turf surface.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2017/turf-type-and-nfl-injuries-part-i

[pbmax]

Here is the thing. Hundley isn't Rodgers, but he and McCarthy will create a facsimile of a decent offense.

The bigger problems are still on the O line and DB (injuries). And pass rush (inconsistent and reliant on extra man).

[Pugger]

Jason Wilde @jasonjwilde 20m20 minutes ago
Mike McCarthy: "Brett Hundley is my quarterback. Joe Callahan is the backup." #Packers coach squelching any speculation about the position.

DUMB. THAT MIGHT SQUELCH SPECULATION ABOUT THE CURRENT DEPTH CHART, DOUBT IT ENDS THE IDEA THAT THE PACKERS WILL PICK UP A QB

SERIOUSLY, THIS IS A THING ON THE INTERNET. PFT IS ON IT TOO. HE ISN'T THE GM AND ITS 10 MINUTES AFTER THE GAME IS OVER AND YOU THINK HE KNOWS WHAT HE IS GOING TO DO THE REST OF THE SEASON? OR SPEAKS FOR THE ACTUAL GM? GET A BRAIN MORANS!

Jason Wilde‏ @jasonjwilde 6m6 minutes ago
Brett Hundley calls Rodgers "his brother," says he's praying for him. As for his own performance, "We'll be better. We'll be better."

What else is Stubby gonna say publicly? Hundley sucks?

[Harlan Huckleby]

Can we say that they missed Brooks today? He's just a role player, but he adds some productivity to defense in both pass and run defense.

[Pugger]

I get that the NFL is, "next level" but I really don't understand all of the injuries. I watch a lot of college football and see guys continuously take poundings and just as big of hits without getting hurt. Though not all of them are elite athletes there are plenty of college players who are just as big, fast, and strong who become NFL players. I don't know if it's from lack of contact or what but it seems like as soon as guys get to the NFL they get hurt tripping over a blade of grass.

I suspect it is a lack of contact/padded practices.

[pbmax]

I suspect it is a lack of contact/padded practices.

They have been doing away with padded practices and contact since Bill Walsh became a head coach.

[Pugger]

Who in the fuck is Dana Litman and why would anyone give a shit about what he thinks or says? If we start posting every ignorant statement muttered by every random asshole on social media we'll end up breaking the internet. The cloud isn't big enough to hold that much stupid.

:bclap:

[texaspackerbacker]

There seems to be a consensus in here that the season is down the drain. Am I the only one in here that doesn't buy that? We damn near came back and beat a fairly decent team at their place without Rodgers and with a ton of other injuries. If damn McCarthy had gone for it on 4th and 1 (or not just run it into the line on 2nd and 3rd and 1), and if Montgomery had remembered he wasn't still in college and secured the ball and crawled in instead of stretching and losing control - either of those things or both, we might even have won that game.

Hundley may not be Rodgers, but he was decent today, and he's only gonna get better. And our schedule was front loaded - if it hadn't been for the injury, the Packers would have literally been favored to run the table. They still should beat most of the teams the rest of the way ....... and on top of all that, there is some chance - 50/50? more? less? that Aaron Rodgers comes back in 6 or 7 or 8 weeks. or whenever.

I'm still betting we make the playoffs, and if we do that with Rodgers back healthy, the sky is still the limit. Somebody ought to start a poll - who's a believer and who isn't.

[Pugger]

If Bulaga and Bahk can be back next week and Hundley getting all the reps we will be able to tell if Brett can keep us afloat until Rodgers returns. It will help to get Brooks, Burnett and King back too.

Is there a chance Rodgers has surgery on that collarbone?

[denverYooper]

I just can't get into blaming the refs. Because every Viking fan I know (its not a lot) prior to Ras just loved to think they were Dana Litman and lived under an eternal ref curse.

Its not just Favre or Rodgers, the guys I know thought Ditka got all the calls when he coached the Bears.

I don't believe in any systematic side-taking in officiating in the NFL. I also believe that over the course of a season, calls even out.

It just seemed today that the net benefit of missed calls fell to the Vikings and it was magnified due to the injury to Rodgers.

[Zool]

what is under the new shitty fake turf? is it the same as the old shitty fake turf? concrete?

or is it a softer base like dirt?

I’ve been on the field. It’s actualy pretty soft. I wasn’t being tackled by a 300 pound DL or trying to run and make cuts though.

[woodbuck27]

We'll have to wish Hundley a lot of luck this week...he lives like 100 yards from us....my daughter fell off her bike in front of him and he has basically ran away from us every time we go for a walk past his house. #stalkers

Then he's not really the Friendly or Neighbourly Type!?

[woodbuck27]

Can we say that they missed Brooks today? He's just a role player, but he adds some productivity to defense in both pass and run defense.

They just really missed today.

This was Friday the 13th Plus Two.

A day Packer fans won't forget for a long long time.

[Pugger]

I believe Barr saw an opportunity to get a big hit on a QB and took it. Rodgers was out of the pocket so he was fair game. I don't know if Barr was trying to injure Rodgers but every defender on every team will take a legal shot on a QB, especially one as good as Rodgers is. If he can take the QB either out or off his game the chances of his team winning go up substantially. Don't be surprised if this kind of hit is addressed this offseason. The league doesn't like to see their marquis QBs out. Who - other than Packers and Lions fans - is gonna be eager to tune in to see a Hundley led Packers squad square off against Detroit on Monday night in a couple of weeks?

[Smidgeon]

Here is the thing. Hundley isn't Rodgers, but he and McCarthy will create a facsimile of a decent offense.

The bigger problems are still on the O line and DB (injuries). And pass rush (inconsistent and reliant on extra man).

Okay, so we've seen quarterbacks go down against the Packers, and we've seen their backups almost pull off an upset (considering it was the backup). Why couldn't the Packers' backup do the same thing?

And Damn! Did the Packers even have any substitutes still on the bench? It seemed half the team was out due to injury by the end of the game (and yes, that probably answers the first question--two backup guards playing both tackle positions against the speedy rushers of the Vikings).

It'd be easy to rag on Capers for the defense, but if one more DB went down, Janis would have been back playing safety.

[Maxie the Taxi]

--two backup guards playing both tackle positions against the speedy rushers of the Vikings).Yet, when Stubby did call a pass play, usually on 3rd down, he had Hundley dropping back four or five steps before getting rid of the ball. Plus, Hundley had opportunities to run and didn't, which leads me to believe he was told not to. I understand protecting your last QB but c'mon, let him play. That kind of stuff has to change next week or it's going to be a long season.

[Smidgeon]

Yet, when Stubby did call a pass play, usually on 3rd down, he had Hundley dropping back four or five steps before getting rid of the ball. Plus, Hundley had opportunities to run and didn't, which leads me to believe he was told not to. I understand protecting your last QB but c'mon, let him play. That kind of stuff has to change next week or it's going to be a long season.

I thought the 5 step drops were because they were third and long and needed mid length routes to develop.

We'll see next week what Hundley can do.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I believe Barr saw an opportunity to get a big hit on a QB and took it. Rodgers was out of the pocket so he was fair game. I don't know if Barr was trying to injure Rodgers but every defender on every team will take a legal shot on a QB, especially one as good as Rodgers is. If he can take the QB either out or off his game the chances of his team winning go up substantially. Don't be surprised if this kind of hit is addressed this offseason.

What is this kind of hit? Are we going to make tackling the QB illegal? Maybe I saw it differently than others, but there was nothing particularly violent about the tackle, wide receivers are brought down like that every play. I think Rodgers was mad that it was a late hit, but looking at replay, it wasn't late. Close - if the guy had another half second and extra step it woulda been a flag.

There is no rule change that can fix this other than eliminating tackling the QB. Maybe that will happen - seriously. It could be two-hand-touch for the passer.

[texaspackerbacker]

When Rodgers got hurt, we had the top five interior O Linemen in the game, right? And predictably, they played like crap, same as the replacements in previous weeks, same as who we had out there the rest of the game. As great as Aaron Rodgers has been mobility-wise - performing so great even when rushed on virtually every pass play, you could say an injury like this was inevitable because of our horribly poor O Line - thank you Ted Thompson for that.

Regarding the hit, it was dirty but probably not illegal (the only way is if it was considered late, and hits that late happen all the time). My first reaction was kill the bastard who did it, but undoubtedly every team we play salivates for a chance to take out what basically is the only reason the Packers are on top - thanks to the mediocre supporting cast Ted Thompson gave the team. If the shoe was on the other foot - our D player similarly taking out the other team's QB, I'd be cheering, as would all but a few bleeding hearts in here.

[red]

i would like to know just what in the hell the team saw on the x-rays to come out and say he could be done for the year.

collar bone should take 6-8 weeks to heal, including the bye week, we have 11 weeks left in the regular season

if brett #2 can manage 2 or 3 wins over the next 7 games, we should be in the playoff hunt when a-rod is healthy

so why come out and say he might be done for the year? is it the overly cautious staff being overly cautious. or is the injury worse then we think

[pbmax]

i would like to know just what in the hell the team saw on the x-rays to come out and say he could be done for the year.

collar bone should take 6-8 weeks to heal, including the bye week, we have 11 weeks left in the regular season

if brett #2 can manage 2 or 3 wins over the next 7 games, we should be in the playoff hunt when a-rod is healthy

so why come out and say he might be done for the year? is it the overly cautious staff being overly cautious. or is the injury worse then we think


Never underestimate the chances that stupidity explains most of the work in the world. That might be the most uncharitable reading of whatever prognosis they had yesterday.

Why they released any kind of timeline is a great question and probably gets someone a pay cut.

[pbmax]

Either that or the team Docs KNOW he is done with full collarbone break.

Ian Rapoport @RapSheet 52m52 minutes ago
#Packers QB Aaron Rodgers (collarbone) will have tests to determine the next course of action. Chance he returns late, but just a chance.

[ND72]

Then he's not really the Friendly or Neighbourly Type!?

Nah, he's actually really nice. He has always said hi to us. Just since my daughter fell, he seems to see us coming. :-)

[Harlan Huckleby]

Regarding the hit, it was dirty but probably not illegal

What was dirty? Did he punch Arod in the nuts? A hard hit is not dirty. This was not even a dramatic hit. The only "dirty" thing is you are mad that the Packer QB got hurt.

If Arod hadn't been injured, nobody would even have noticed this tackle.

Arod is not a big, rugged guy. Not sure that matters. But I was shocked that he broke a bone from that contact with ground. Probably regular-sized shoulder pads would have saved him. QBs have little protection there.

[pbmax]

What was dirty? Did he punch Arod in the nuts? A hard hit is not dirty. This was not even a dramatic hit. The only "dirty" thing is you are mad that the Packer QB got hurt.

If Arod hadn't been injured, nobody would even have noticed this tackle.

Arod is not a big, rugged guy. Not sure that matters. But I was shocked that he broke a bone from that contact with ground. Probably regular-sized shoulder pads would have saved him. QBs have little protection there.

It was the extended arm that got him. It gave leverage to hit that pressured his collarbone (Patler mentioned this elsewhere). This was a hit he should have taken in a tuck and roll position. All hindsight though.

Frankly, the kid is a genius for being this healthy this far along in his career given how much time he spends out of the pocket and waiting to throw.

[Harlan Huckleby]

"tuck and roll" is damn good advice for old people walking in icy conditions. It;s the panic, attempt to break your fall that gets you.

I've had falls and bicycle spills and always come out ok. Guess as former wrassler my body knows to not tense up, just roll with it. Sorta like the old joke:

https://cdn.someecards.com/someecards/usercards/1338646740293_5735390.png

[mraynrand]

What is this kind of hit? Are we going to make tackling the QB illegal? Maybe I saw it differently than others, but there was nothing particularly violent about the tackle, wide receivers are brought down like that every play. I think Rodgers was mad that it was a late hit, but looking at replay, it wasn't late. Close - if the guy had another half second and extra step it woulda been a flag.

There is no rule change that can fix this other than eliminating tackling the QB. Maybe that will happen - seriously. It could be two-hand-touch for the passer.

QBs are typically tackled by linemen and LBs. WRs are typically tackled by defensive backs. WR are typically moving faster and aren't usually landed on like QBs standing in the pocket or looking downfield. Even so you may have noticed Packer WR still get hurt with lighter hit than Rodgers took.

The tackle wasn't all the violent it was just a hard hit with a full body landing on Rodgers with extended arm.

Of course we wouldn't be making that big of deal if he hadn't got hurt. But every time a QB - or anyone else - takes a hit like that there's a chance for injury.

[woodbuck27]

It was the extended arm that got him. It gave leverage to hit that pressured his collarbone (Patler mentioned this elsewhere). This was a hit he should have taken in a tuck and roll position. All hindsight though.

Frankly, the kid is a genius for being this healthy this far along in his career given how much time he spends out of the pocket and waiting to throw.

Yes..the hit was simply normal.Your correct without the injury there would be little made of Minnesota Vikings linebacker Anthony Barr's contact with ARod.

It's almost shocking the damage that was caused by his fall, but the forces from the right hand's contact with the field surface and on and up the right arm caused the collarbone to snap. With no hand down ARod more than likely would have bounced up and merely shrugged those shoulders as we've seen him do so often.

It's just one of those freaky things and ARod. He's one heck of a fine athlete and as his body is constructed an exceptional QB with outstanding arm strength to make the long throw; the legs and speed to run very well.

Is he a rugged guy? It hasn't seemed so to me that he is 'rugged', watching him since he was drafted. Doesn't anyone remember him getting injured falling off the end of a players bench?

Yes ARod has to run out of the QB Pocket often and maybe way to much but that is his style of playing QB and extending the play.His outstanding athleticism works for him and that. He might be an athletic Genius but given his body and vulnerability to injury.

He has been very fortunate or lucky not to be more often injured. We'll see that disappear as his career extends. As Packer fans we know just how much and Packer success rides on Aaron Rodgers being active for games. For by far the most Top Level Teams in NFL History; it's the same and the starting QB position.

Yesterday LUCK disappeared for Aaron Rodgers, the Green Bay Packers and Packer Nation.We witnessed a tragedy as Packer fans. Aaron Rodgers suffered far far more.

The impact of this injury will in all reality be negatively HUGE. The negative impact extending beyond the 2017-18 Season and all Aaron Rodgers is. Nothing short of a NFL Rule change to: You cannot hit a QB will remove the impact of Bad Luck on Aaron Rodgers and thus Green Bay Packers good fortunes.

It still remains:

GO PACK GO !

[Smidgeon]

What is this kind of hit? Are we going to make tackling the QB illegal? Maybe I saw it differently than others, but there was nothing particularly violent about the tackle, wide receivers are brought down like that every play. I think Rodgers was mad that it was a late hit, but looking at replay, it wasn't late. Close - if the guy had another half second and extra step it woulda been a flag.

There is no rule change that can fix this other than eliminating tackling the QB. Maybe that will happen - seriously. It could be two-hand-touch for the passer.

I wanted it to be a penalty, but I couldn't even justify one in my fandom on replay. It just sucks.

[Smidgeon]

What was dirty? Did he punch Arod in the nuts? A hard hit is not dirty. This was not even a dramatic hit. The only "dirty" thing is you are mad that the Packer QB got hurt.

If Arod hadn't been injured, nobody would even have noticed this tackle.

Arod is not a big, rugged guy. Not sure that matters. But I was shocked that he broke a bone from that contact with ground. Probably regular-sized shoulder pads would have saved him. QBs have little protection there.

I had a similar take. I thought he rolled really well too. But injury hits sometimes. Too bad it wasn't someone else's star QB instead.

[pbmax]

Dana Litman is still VERY angry that Packer fans are blaming Barr and not recognizing their own complicity. He doesn't want to hear about kindness. Or flags. Or fines.

He wants you to yield and wallow in your hypocrisy! And Wilde is here to confess.


Jason Wilde @jasonjwilde
Rodgers tells a great story of @Tommieharris90 holding him up to save him from a major knee injury in game vs. Bears. Always respected that. https://twitter.com/BumpinFresh/status/919741346826645505 …


Jason Wilde @jasonjwilde 14h14 hours ago
No idea what Barr was thinking, not accusing him of anything. Just giving an example of a player protecting another instead of injuring him.


Dana Litman‏ @DanaLitman
Kind of like when Clay Matthews unnecessarily launched himself at Kaepernick when he was out of bounds...

Jason Wilde‏ @jasonjwilde 14h14 hours ago
Or when Matthews blindsided R.Wilson in the head after an INT in '14 NFCCG. Is this how we debate things? "But they did a bad thing too!"

[Rutnstrut]

It was the extended arm that got him. It gave leverage to hit that pressured his collarbone (Patler mentioned this elsewhere). This was a hit he should have taken in a tuck and roll position. All hindsight though.

Frankly, the kid is a genius for being this healthy this far along in his career given how much time he spends out of the pocket and waiting to throw.

He's no Favre as far as being able to take a shot and stay "healthy". But I bet he's far above the NFL average for QB's as far as playing vs hits he takes. That is if there is such a stat.

[pbmax]

He's no Favre as far as being able to take a shot and stay "healthy". But I bet he's far above the NFL average for QB's as far as playing vs hits he takes. That is if there is such a stat.

No one is Favre, as evidenced by the guy who was closest to his streak being a defensive end. Manning got close by almost never getting hit and going down early.

But Favre also took bad decision making and risk assumption to new levels in order to stay healthy (on the plus side, he also learned to throw the ball away). He was an entirely different player in the 2000s versus the kid who took kill shot after kill shot in the mid 1990s. No one has completed more passes after taking a concussion mid-play that Favre before year 2000.

[pbmax]

Tom Silverstein @TomSilverstein 41s41 seconds ago
The #Packers have just completed deal to sign practice squad QB Joe Callahan to the 53-man roster. He's Brett Hundley's backup for now.


YOU SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO HINT THAT OTHER THINGS ARE IN THE WORKS UNLESS YOU ALSO MAKE A PREDICTION. I THINK REPORTERS ARE DELUDING THEMSELVES HERE, BUT MAYBE THEY KNOW SOMETHING THAT HASN'T LEAKED YET.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Dana Litman is still VERY angry that Packer fans are blaming Barr and not recognizing their own complicity. He doesn't want to hear about kindness. Or flags. Or fines.

He wants you to yield and wallow in your hypocrisy! And Wilde is here to confess.


Jason Wilde @jasonjwilde
Rodgers tells a great story of @Tommieharris90 holding him up to save him from a major knee injury in game vs. Bears. Always respected that. https://twitter.com/BumpinFresh/status/919741346826645505 …


Jason Wilde @jasonjwilde 14h14 hours ago
No idea what Barr was thinking, not accusing him of anything. Just giving an example of a player protecting another instead of injuring him.


Dana Litman‏ @DanaLitman
Kind of like when Clay Matthews unnecessarily launched himself at Kaepernick when he was out of bounds...

Jason Wilde‏ @jasonjwilde 14h14 hours ago
Or when Matthews blindsided R.Wilson in the head after an INT in '14 NFCCG. Is this how we debate things? "But they did a bad thing too!"Wow, these two guys would fit in here as Packerrats. lol

[Harlan Huckleby]

YOU SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO HINT THAT OTHER THINGS ARE IN THE WORKS UNLESS YOU ALSO MAKE A PREDICTION. I THINK REPORTERS ARE DELUDING THEMSELVES HERE, BUT MAYBE THEY KNOW SOMETHING THAT HASN'T LEAKED YET.

Stop shouting, old man.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Stop shouting, old man.Is this how we debate things? Shouting "Stop shouting!"

[Harlan Huckleby]

Wow, these two guys would fit in here as Packerrats. lol

Clean hit, Charlie took less than two steps.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr7UcrLLybo

[mraynrand]

Stop shouting, old man.

he always capitalizes his response/comments on tweets.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amrTOsYa4sA

[woodbuck27]

He's no Favre as far as being able to take a shot and stay "healthy". But I bet he's far above the NFL average for QB's as far as playing vs hits he takes. That is if there is such a stat.Mae and I both agreed on this:

What happened to Aaron Rodgers was going to happen sooner or later this Season as he was again being punished too often. No NFL Team has suffered more QB SACKS this Season than The Green Bay Packers (tied with Detroit)

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&offensiveStatisticCategory=TEAM_PASSING&conference=ALL&role=TM&season=2017&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=PASSING_NET_YARDS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1

[woodbuck27]

Is this how we debate things? Shouting "Stop shouting!"

https://previews.123rf.com/images/ihc/ihc0806/ihc080600168/3193124-Man-closing-his-eyes-while-covering-his-ears-Stock-Photo-noise.jpg

[channtheman]

There seems to be a consensus in here that the season is down the drain. Am I the only one in here that doesn't buy that? We damn near came back and beat a fairly decent team at their place without Rodgers and with a ton of other injuries. If damn McCarthy had gone for it on 4th and 1 (or not just run it into the line on 2nd and 3rd and 1), and if Montgomery had remembered he wasn't still in college and secured the ball and crawled in instead of stretching and losing control - either of those things or both, we might even have won that game.

Hundley may not be Rodgers, but he was decent today, and he's only gonna get better. And our schedule was front loaded - if it hadn't been for the injury, the Packers would have literally been favored to run the table. They still should beat most of the teams the rest of the way ....... and on top of all that, there is some chance - 50/50? more? less? that Aaron Rodgers comes back in 6 or 7 or 8 weeks. or whenever.

I'm still betting we make the playoffs, and if we do that with Rodgers back healthy, the sky is still the limit. Somebody ought to start a poll - who's a believer and who isn't.


I need some more information on if Rodgers is coming back or not. All I heard yesterday was that Rodgers will miss the remainder of the season (or was he "likely" to miss the rest of the season). If Rodgers is done, the season is over. If he can come back in 8 weeks, I'm on board. Perhaps we can go 3-4 in his absence and be 7-6 needing to win out with Rodgers.

[mraynrand]

Is this how we debate things? Shouting "Stop shouting!"

STOP THE HAMMERING!! NSFW or elsewhere.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cyrvJ_wJSI

[woodbuck27]

I need some more information on if Rodgers is coming back or not. All I heard yesterday was that Rodgers will miss the remainder of the season (or was he "likely" to miss the rest of the season). If Rodgers is done, the season is over. If he can come back in 8 weeks, I'm on board. Perhaps we can go 3-4 in his absence and be 7-6 needing to win out with Rodgers.

https://s.hswstatic.com/gif/super-star-1-250.jpg

or

http://data.whicdn.com/images/288556655/original.gif

[mraynrand]

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That's the most intelligent thing you've said today.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wOUMd3bMRI

[channtheman]

10/22 New Orleans (3-2)
10/29 BYE WEEK
11/6 Detroit (3-3)
11/12 @Chicago (2-4)
11/19 Baltimore (3-3)
11/26 @Pittsburgh (4-2)
12/3 Tampa Bay (2-3)
12/10 @Cleveland (0-6)
12/17 @Carolina (4-2)
12/23 Minnesota (4-2)
12/31 @Detroit (3-3)

Packers remaining schedule.

I'm assuming Rodgers will be back best case for the week after Cleveland. I see Chicago, Baltimore, Tampa Bay, and Cleveland as potential wins. New Orleans, Detroit, and Pittsburgh probably put up too many points against our defense for the stunted offense to have a chance to keep up. We probably win 2 of the potential wins, but since we're living in dreamland best case scenario, lets say we win 3.

That leaves us at 7-6 with Rodgers returning. Then we have to win @Carolina, Minnesota, and @Detroit. I don't think I'd pick us to win all 3 of those games with Rodgers in the lineup. We might finish 9-7 in a best case scenario. Will that be enough for the playoffs? I guess we'll find out as the season unfolds.

[Pugger]

QBs are typically tackled by linemen and LBs. WRs are typically tackled by defensive backs. WR are typically moving faster and aren't usually landed on like QBs standing in the pocket or looking downfield. Even so you may have noticed Packer WR still get hurt with lighter hit than Rodgers took.

The tackle wasn't all the violent it was just a hard hit with a full body landing on Rodgers with extended arm.

Of course we wouldn't be making that big of deal if he hadn't got hurt. But every time a QB - or anyone else - takes a hit like that there's a chance for injury.

I don't think it was an illegal hit but my beef is it was unnecessary. Barr didn't need to tackle him.

[Pugger]

Will McCoach have a press conference this afternoon?

[Harlan Huckleby]

10/22 New Orleans (3-2)
10/29 BYE WEEK
11/6 Detroit (3-3)
11/12 @Chicago (2-4)
11/19 Baltimore (3-3)
11/26 @Pittsburgh (4-2)
12/3 Tampa Bay (2-3)
12/10 @Cleveland (0-6)
12/17 @Carolina (4-2)
12/23 Minnesota (4-2)
12/31 @Detroit (3-3)

Packers remaining schedule.

I'm assuming Rodgers will be back best case for the week after Cleveland. I see Chicago, Baltimore, Tampa Bay, and Cleveland as potential wins. New Orleans, Detroit, and Pittsburgh probably put up too many points against our defense for the stunted offense to have a chance to keep up. We probably win 2 of the potential wins, but since we're living in dreamland best case scenario, lets say we win 3.

That leaves us at 7-6 with Rodgers returning. Then we have to win @Carolina, Minnesota, and @Detroit. I don't think I'd pick us to win all 3 of those games with Rodgers in the lineup. We might finish 9-7 in a best case scenario. Will that be enough for the playoffs? I guess we'll find out as the season unfolds.


https://i.imgur.com/gjp9WRx.gif

[Harlan Huckleby]

I don't think it was an illegal hit but my beef is it was unnecessary. Barr didn't need to tackle him.

His job is to tackle the QB - hard. He has to sense when it is too late, and he made the right choice.

Of course on every play when the ball is gone there is no "need" to tackle the QB. But a defender is not supposed to turn off/on instantly.

[hoosier]

I don't think it has even been reported yet what kind of fracture Rodgers has. If it needs surgery then his season is over, end of conversation. If no surgery then there is still the uncertainty about it being on this throwing side, which might mean rehabbing the arm and might require longer healing process for the bone. I think it's a good thing that the team has introduced the specter that this will be season ending, and they should leave it at that. If GB is still competitive and Rodgers is able to come back in late December it will be a pleasant surprise.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I think it's a good thing that the team has introduced the specter that this will be season ending, and they should leave it at that. If GB is still competitive and Rodgers is able to come back in late December it will be a pleasant surprise.

quoted for truthiness. but I thought a "specter" is a ghost. I'll look it up.

edit: also "something widely feared as a possible unpleasant or dangerous occurrence." ya, guess I knew that.

[pbmax]

Callahan is on the roster with a newly redone contract and Quinten Rollins is on IR.

[Zool]

I don't think it was an illegal hit but my beef is it was unnecessary. Barr didn't need to tackle him.

Agreed. The only reason to hit a QB who has already thrown a ball is to hurt him. It's time for the Packers to start hitting people back like that. Old school baseball rules.

[mraynrand]

Agreed. The only reason to hit a QB who has already thrown a ball is to hurt him. It's time for the Packers to start hitting people back like that. Old school baseball rules.

It was a brilliant move. If you can KO arguably the best player in the league and not even get a penalty, you're money. Probably the best tackle Barr will ever make. Packer should train their defense off that video.

[Pugger]

Agreed. The only reason to hit a QB who has already thrown a ball is to hurt him. It's time for the Packers to start hitting people back like that. Old school baseball rules.

Yup, Barr was going for the kill shot. Taking out #12 now has improved their chances to win the division. Don't be surprised if our defenders get a little more aggressive the next time we play MN.

[Harlan Huckleby]

The only reason to hit a QB who has already thrown a ball is to hurt him.

No, the goal is to keep the QB nervous and his feet happy. Pressure. If you shake him up- good. But the idea is not to break his collar bone, that is just a delightful possibility.

I remember in high school football, when we played an option team, the defensive end was instructed to tackle the QB hard every play, whether he pitched the ball or not. The goal was to wear the QB down, as well as remove one option. Idea is not to create an injury. (OK, maybe 1970s high school football is a little different than 2017 NFL.)

[pbmax]

No, the goal is to keep the QB nervous and his feet happy. Pressure. If you shake him up- good. But the idea is not to break his collar bone, that is just a delightful possibility.

I remember in high school football, when we played an option team, the defensive end was instructed to tackle the QB hard every play, whether he pitched the ball or not. The goal was to wear the QB down, as well as remove one option. Idea is not to create an injury. (OK, maybe 1970s high school football is a little different than 2017 NFL.)

I feel like you are artificially increasing the distance between causing fear/nervousness and causing injury in your explication.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Quinten Rollins is on IR.
Iredeemable recruits?

[Harlan Huckleby]

I feel like you are artificially increasing the distance between causing fear/nervousness and causing injury in your explication.

What is the point of any hard tackling in football?

It's a game of emotion and aggression and domination, snowflake.

you want to rattle the opponent, make them hesitant.

[Harlan Huckleby]

If anybody else is still confused, we can step outside and have a demonstration.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I support all the new rules to protect players in both the NFL and College. I expect both games will become less violent/dangerous, and that is an inevitable and good thing. I'd like to see NFL adopt college rule on targeting. But within the rules, it is still a rough game, and defensive backs in college are still smacking receivers hard. QBs still taking hits.

[pbmax]

What is the point of any hard tackling in football?

It's a game of emotion and aggression and domination, snowflake.

you want to rattle the opponent, make them hesitant.

Of course, but that renders the space between fear/intimidation and trying to hurt them very small. Saying players aren't trying to hurt them is not true.

Most are probably not trying to end their year though.

[mraynrand]

Most are probably not trying to end their year though.

But that is a delightful possibility.

[pbmax]

But that is a delightful possibility.

To some definitely. Thankfully, it wasn't to Tommie Harris. But plenty of "good guys" are trying to do it: Matthews, Reggie White

When I played, just to complete the circle Harlan started, I would have happily hit you hard enough to knock you out for a couple plays. But I wasn't looking for an injury to cause. You would have had to make it very personal to get that response. One kid did this, but I never got the chance.

[Harlan Huckleby]

When I played, just to complete the circle Harlan started, I would have happily hit you hard enough to knock you out for a couple plays. But I wasn't looking for an injury to cause.

I assume most athletes are like this. I remember in football, hockey, sometimes wrestling, it was just pleasurable to hit someone. Or boxing with those gloves our parents foolishly got us for Christmas. It is fun to crash into somebody. The thought of the opponent breaking a bone or ligament is the furthest thing from your mind.

When there is an injury in pro sports, I see players on both teams look genuinely concerned. I think there is a real brotherhood of competitors.

[mraynrand]

When there is an injury in pro sports, I see players on both teams look genuinely concerned. I think there is a real brotherhood of competitors.


I didn't see any concern on Sunday from the Viking bench


(when it's an obviously very serious injury your statement is largely true)

[pbmax]

M3 PC

Ian Rapoport @RapSheet 6m6 minutes ago
#Packers coach Mike McCarthy said QB Aaron Rodgers will require surgery for his broken collarbone. Likely means his season is over.

Packer Report‏ @PackerReport 2m2 minutes ago
Three years of investment in Hundley, MM says. Likes his QB room. Then not pleased with a Kaepernick question.

PREDICTABLE AS RAIN. REPORTERS WRITING AS THOUGH SOME OTHER REACTION WAS GOING TO HAPPEN, NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU THINK CK DESERVES A SHOT, WERE JUST IGNORING 10 YEARS OF PRECEDENT

Michael Cohen @Michael_Cohen13 2m2 minutes ago
McCarthy is really agitated at the podium. He is unhappy with the performance yesterday and got hot over a question about Kaepernick.

Tom Silverstein @TomSilverstein 2m2 minutes ago
McCarthy clearly not happy with questioning about bringing in another QB in. Said too much invested in Hundley and Callahan to go that way.

Packer Report‏ @PackerReport 3m3 minutes ago
MM believes hit on Rodgers: "I didn't like the hit. It wasn't necessary. It was totally unnecessary."

UNNECESSARY IS GOOD DESCRIPTION BUT DOESN'T REALLY GET YOU ANYTHING

Packer Report‏ @PackerReport 2m2 minutes ago
"Everybody needs to clean their house up," MM says. Clearly not happy with weekly improvement.

Michael Cohen‏ @Michael_Cohen13 2m2 minutes ago
McCarthy reiterating how frustrated he is with the quality of play yesterday against the Vikings. Everyone needs to clean it up. #Packers

[pbmax]

Cohen
McCarthy said the personnel department is looking at some guys for a potential third QB spot on the practice squad. #Packers

Spoon
McCarthy's mantra now: Don't try to do too much. Focus on your job.

Wilde
Aaron Rodgers' surgery date has not yet been set. #Packers coach Mike McCarthy very clearly took issue with Anthony Barr's hit.

[pbmax]

CAPERS

Ryan Wood‏ @ByRyanWood 5m5 minutes ago
#Packers DC Dom Capers: "The biggest area we have to clean up is the missed tackles from yesterday."

Tom Silverstein @TomSilverstein 3m3 minutes ago
Capers: Have to look at who will be available, how much volume can we use against Saints.

Tom Silverstein @TomSilverstein 6m6 minutes ago
Capers on game: Had a lot of moving parts. Guys battled. Guys playing positions hadn't played in. Too many missed tackles.

Tom Silverstein @TomSilverstein 3m3 minutes ago
Capers on Pipkins: Thought he was aggressive, made some good plays.

Packer Report‏ @PackerReport 7m7 minutes ago
Capers says missed tackles were biggest problem. Says they had season high. (I had them with 11, a season high)

Packer Report‏ @PackerReport 5m5 minutes ago
Capers laughs when I asked about challenge of playing without corners. Were down to one for a time, he says.

Jason Wilde @jasonjwilde 8m8 minutes ago
Capers: "I don't think it's really going to affect the approach. We go out every week and the goal is to keep people out of the end zone."

Tom Silverstein‏ @TomSilverstein 4m4 minutes ago
Capers said that both PUP members Vince Biegel and Demitri Goodson are likely to start practicing this week. Have 3-week window if needed.

Jason Wilde @jasonjwilde 21s21 seconds ago
I'm not a doctor and don't play one on Twitter, but surgery can actually improve Rodgers' odds of returning. Not necessarily season-ending.

[red]

so he is having surgery, so season over

i wouldn't be shocked if rollins didn't play his last game yesterday

[mraynrand]

Michael Cohen‏ @Michael_Cohen13 2m2 minutes ago
McCarthy reiterating how frustrated he is with the quality of play yesterday against the Vikings. Everyone needs to clean it up. #Packers

John Ulrick needs to clean it up. No way they're gonna get a first round pick from Cleveland in the offseason if he keeps playing like a fourth stringer.

Honestly, at some point, the next man up thing is gonna fall flat, because it's not the next man up, it's the next next next man up and every player on the team knows there's a reason Ulrick was traded for a conditional 7th round pick several years ago and has played in a grand total of 6 games over three years.

[mraynrand]

C

Jason Wilde @jasonjwilde 21s21 seconds ago
I'm not a doctor and don't play one on Twitter, but surgery can actually improve Rodgers' odds of returning. Not necessarily season-ending.


Well, I had a kidney removed last April, but I still have the other one.

[pbmax]

John Ulrick needs to clean it up. No way they're gonna get a first round pick from Cleveland in the offseason if he keeps playing like a fourth stringer.

Honestly, at some point, the next man up thing is gonna fall flat, because it's not the next man up, it's the next next next man up and every player on the team knows there's a reason Ulrick was traded for a conditional 7th round pick several years ago and has played in a grand total of 6 games over three years.

Matthew said yesterday that he wouldn't use the cliche because the next man up was already on the field when everyone else got hurt. :lol:

[pbmax]

Write up from last year on Brett Hundley: https://www.si.com/mmqb/2016/12/07/nfl-brett-hundley-packers-bow-hunting-aaron-rodgers-backup

[Cheesehead Craig]

Well, I had a kidney removed last April, but I still have the other one.

So when will you return to your previous level of posting?

[mraynrand]

So when will you return to your previous level of posting?

wait, I had a previous level? lower or higher? :)

[Cobra Kai]

I think most logical Packer fans can agree that Barr's hit was not dirty nor illegal but it was more than likely intentional and it definitely was unnecessary. However I don't think it is any different than the intentionally violent hits that Matthews sometimes lays on opposing players. I sometimes think to myself that was legal but probably unnecessary.

Lost in all this though is the BS that Barr pulled later in the game with the head butt to Adams. That was stupid and dirty. I don't usually say things like this but I was glad he got knocked out the of the game with a concussion. In fact I kind of hope it happened on that head butt...

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/-HHNhVd89inKt_3hyS6WJyqQH24=/0x0:956x470/720x0/filters:focal(0x0:956x470):no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/9471707/Barr_headbutts_Adams_Packers_Week_6_2017.gif

[mraynrand]

Good post. I agree.

[Fosco33]

Agree. It wasn't that Barrs hit was illegal or past the line - just seemed unnecessary. To me - it was the followup head butt to a guy that spent a night in the hospital recently that irked me. Added together and you can see why casual fans were calling for rebuttal.

Same as the hit on Adams. Just showing the 5 sec clip in a vacuum doesn't make sense. Show the chippyness leading up to the hit, the context of the down/distance and point in the game. Added together and it wasn't necessary and borderline dirty.

And, to me, Clay is a kind of player on that edge of aggressive/dirty. And I'm on record as one who wouldn't mind seeing him go to an afc team for the value (plays, games vs salary).

[woodbuck27]

I think most logical Packer fans can agree that Barr's hit was not dirty nor illegal but it was more than likely intentional and it definitely was unnecessary. However I don't think it is any different than the intentionally violent hits that Matthews sometimes lays on opposing players. I sometimes think to myself that was legal but probably unnecessary.

Lost in all this though is the BS that Barr pulled later in the game with the head butt to Adams. That was stupid and dirty. I don't usually say things like this but I was glad he got knocked out the of the game with a concussion. In fact I kind of hope it happened on that head butt...

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/-HHNhVd89inKt_3hyS6WJyqQH24=/0x0:956x470/720x0/filters:focal(0x0:956x470):no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/9471707/Barr_headbutts_Adams_Packers_Week_6_2017.gif

Vikings LBer A. Barr's 'suck move' on Adams was 'a pure Goon Move'.

That's the sorta crap that will drive viewers away from watching the NFL.

That and all of the fricken commercials. Damn that issue (at least with me) pisses me off ! It seems to me that half or more of the approx. 3 hours viewing time for a complete game is Commercials.

I believe that's the Primary Reason that Viewer Ratings are appreciably lower now.

I'm so happy to be a Pro Pickem and Total NFL fan as to sit and try to concentrate on just one game is maddening.

[QBME]

Vikings LBer A. Barr's 'suck move' on Adams was 'a pure Goon Move'.

That's the sorta crap that will drive viewers away from watching the NFL.

That and all of the fricken commercials. Damn that issue (at least with me) pisses me off ! It seems to me that half or more of the approx. 3 hours viewing time for a complete game is Commercials.

I believe that's the Primary Reason that Viewer Ratings are appreciably lower now.

I'm so happy to be a Pro Pickem and Total NFL fan as to sit and try to concentrate on just one game is maddening.

Hey Ed - you and Mae should consider what Mrs. Q and I do - set the recorder and do some other stuff for about ("aboot"to you :)) an hour. Then just hunker down and enjoy the game, essentially commercial free.

[red]

Not to mention Barr head butt Adams just a week after Adams got over a concussion

[woodbuck27]

Originally Posted by mraynrand View Post
John Ulrick needs to clean it up. No way they're gonna get a first round pick from Cleveland in the offseason if he keeps playing like a fourth stringer.

Honestly, at some point, the next man up thing is gonna fall flat, because it's not the next man up, it's the next next next man up and every player on the team knows there's a reason Ulrick was traded for a conditional 7th round pick several years ago and has played in a grand total of 6 games over three years.



Matthew said yesterday that he wouldn't use the cliche because the next man up was already on the field when everyone else got hurt. :lol:

John Ulrick !? What !?

Is he an issue? and " a first round pick from Cleveland "

Please explain this for me.

http://www.nfl.com/player/ulrickjohn/2550166/profile

[woodbuck27]

Hey Ed - you and Mae should consider what Mrs. Q and I do - set the recorder and do some other stuff for about ("aboot"to you :)) an hour. Then just hunker down and enjoy the game, essentially commercial free.

That is good ( a great tip)......I record every Packer game as too often I am scoreboard watching and watching NFL.Com and flipping TV channels for other games and maybe posting on the Game Thread here on Packerrats.

To sit and watch the broadcast steadily is an example of masochism or at least frustration en extremis.

https://www.eyeondemand.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/How-to-wide1.jpg

[mraynrand]

Originally Posted by mraynrand View Post
John Ulrick needs to clean it up. No way they're gonna get a first round pick from Cleveland in the offseason if he keeps playing like a fourth stringer.

Honestly, at some point, the next man up thing is gonna fall flat, because it's not the next man up, it's the next next next man up and every player on the team knows there's a reason Ulrick was traded for a conditional 7th round pick several years ago and has played in a grand total of 6 games over three years.




John Ulrick !? What !?

Is he an issue? and " a first round pick from Cleveland "

Please explain this for me.

http://www.nfl.com/player/ulrickjohn/2550166/profile

John, Ulrick

[ThunderDan]

Well, I had a kidney removed last April, but I still have the other one.

I have been on 1 kidney for the last 9 years. I donated mine to a family member.

[mraynrand]

I have been on 1 kidney for the last 9 years. I donated mine to a family member.

kudos to you man, totally serious here. I've done some kidney research in my time, talked with a lot of patients, and it is hell to live without functioning kidneys. Again, props to you, and all the best to your family.



P.S. my line was from "Tommy Boy" in case you didn't know...