Official Packers Saints Game Day Thread

[pbmax]

That was on Matthews.

Or Jones, someone did not have the edge. Matthews reduced down on motion and Jones stepped to LOS.

[channtheman]

Field goal range again already. D blows.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Ingram is a pretty good back. shifty

[ThunderDan]

Delay of game there.

[ThunderDan]

Holding, Perry grabbed.

[Maxie the Taxi]

If this becomes a two possession game, we lose.

[channtheman]

If this becomes a two possession game, we lose.

Definitely.

[ThunderDan]

Need a stop here but I don't have faith in the D.

[Rastak]

Vikings finishing off the Ravens - looking like the Bears win too.

[Harlan Huckleby]

gb timeout!?

[pbmax]

Why did they take a TO?

[Maxie the Taxi]

There's the dagger. Shit.

[Harlan Huckleby]

no timeouts = no challenges

why waste a TO there?

[ThunderDan]

Why did they take a TO?

To save time. Instead of 3 minutes left we will have 5 minutes.

[mmmdk]

Saints are okay but we're really bad. Sans the 2 ints it's a blowout.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Why did they take a TO?

tubby got confused, thought it might have been a score

[Harlan Huckleby]

To save time. Instead of 3 minutes left we will have 5 minutes.

that was some powerful TO

[channtheman]

Sorry fam, guess I won't get to start another thread next week. :( This game briefly had me excited again for the season.

[pbmax]

To save time. Instead of 3 minutes left we will have 5 minutes.

Its only 40 seconds of savings. Will be more important later.

[beveaux1]

If this becomes a two possession game, we lose.

We lose.

[Maxie the Taxi]

This is like watching the Packers back in the 70's or 80's. Loss is expected. A win would be an unexpected bonus.

[JohnMexico]

It was close on the scoreboard but what an incredibly unwatchable team.

whats the draw?

[beveaux1]

Saints are really pretty good. We just don't have a QB yet.

[ThunderDan]

Its only 40 seconds of savings. Will be more important later.

3 timeouts at 40 seconds saves 2 minutes.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Packers look like a 4-12 team

[channtheman]

Gonna need more than 5 yard passes in the middle of the field.

[pbmax]

Who was the Packer that was going to be that deep?

Why were there two receivers there?

[channtheman]

Have a good day everyone! First 3 quarters were fun. :)

[Harlan Huckleby]

Sick of all the jism for the great NO defense. This is no test.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Have a good day everyone! First 3 quarters were fun. :)Dilly Dilly!

[beveaux1]

Packers look like a 4-12 team

As beat up as we are, that's about right.

[ThunderDan]

Great way t give NO a first down. The D can't get out of its own way today.

[TravisWilliams23]

Saints are really pretty good. We just don't have a QB yet.

Or a defense.

[Joemailman]

On the bright side, the bye week is here.

[Rutnstrut]

Saints are really pretty good. We just don't have a QB yet.

Or a defense, or a head coach that will stick with what works. But yeah they are sooo close.

[beveaux1]

Or a defense.

We're very young in the defensive backfield. The loss of Shields will continue to be felt until King or Randall becomes something, if they ever do.

[ThunderDan]

D can't give up 488 yards and expect to win. You need a QB like ARod or Brady to have any chance.

[Tony Oday]

I liked watching Jones, BH needs more slants in his life and an offensive line.

[beveaux1]

D can't give up 488 yards and expect to win. You need a QB like ARod or Brady to have any chance.

Brees always lights us up. I thought it would be 35-17 Saints. Probably would have been if he hadn't thrown 2 interceptions.

[pbmax]

D can't give up 488 yards and expect to win. You need a QB like ARod or Brady to have any chance.

Yep.

Not having a functional offense helps inflate that number.

The Special teams just surrendering yardage on penalties also helped no one.

Bad all around after half time.

[Joemailman]

I liked watching Jones, BH needs more slants in his life and an offensive line.

I'm wondering though if the defense is scheming to take away the slants because they're not worried about the Packers going deep.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Yep.

Not having a functional offense helps inflate that number.

The Special teams just surrendering yardage on penalties also helped no one.

Bad all around after half time.Pretty bad before half time too considering we had two turnovers and a couple huge runs by Jones. We stunk it up today.

[Tony Oday]

I'm wondering though if the defense is scheming to take away the slants because they're not worried about the Packers going deep.

If that's the case maybe run play action on first down! :)

[beveaux1]

By the end of the year, Hundley might be an average starting QB if the OL can let him work his progressions. I'm not convinced that will happen with the walking wounded that we have out there.

[red]

That’s was a pretty shitty attempt at an offense mike put on the field today

[beveaux1]

I really believe a lot of good, young QBs are ruined by poor OL play. A 5th round project needs good protection or he'll play his way out of the league.

[Maxie the Taxi]

That’s was a pretty shitty attempt at an offense mike put on the field todayYup. I thought they were on to something with the running in the 1st quarter, but then they reverted to their Arod offense except without Arod. Doesn't really matter though cause the defense sucks big ones.

[beveaux1]

We have to rely on the running game to take the air out of the ball and take away possessions from the opposing team. This will be a VERY different offense from the one that Rodgers ran.

[beveaux1]

We won't face many offenses as good as the Saints offense. Our D will look better in some games. We just can't win games against high-powered offenses.

[Maxie the Taxi]

This will be a VERY different offense from the one that Rodgers ran.When will Stubby implement it?

[mraynrand]

This is like watching the Packers back in the 70's or 80's. Loss is expected. A win would be an unexpected bonus.

More like the Shula/Marino Dolphins

[Maxie the Taxi]

More like the Shula/Marino DolphinsMore like the Packers in '86 with Randy Wright at QB.

[beveaux1]

When will Stubby implement it?

Such as it was. Today. 181 yds rushing, 79 yds passing

[woodbuck27]

Green Bay Packers (4-3-0 after losing to the NO Saints by a score of 26-17)

Passing CP/AT YDS TD INT

B. Hundley 12/25 87 0 1

Rushing ATT YDS TD LG

A. Jones 17 131 1 46T
B. Hundley 3 44 1 22
T. Montgomery 4 6 0 5

We now have a NO. 1 RB sighting.

Receiving REC YDS TD LG

M. Bennett 2 17 0 12
R. Cobb 2 15 0 14
G. Allison 1 14 0 14
J. Nelson 1 13 0 13
D. Adams 2 12 0 8
T. Montgomery 1 9 0 9
A. Jones 3 7 0 4

Top Receiver M. Bennett with 2 Receptions for 17 Yards.

Good grief. :whaa:

[woodbuck27]

The Packer Defense T-A SCK INT FF

B. Martinez 12-3 0.0 0 0 ( a solid Draft Pick )
K. Brice 7-0 0.0 0 0
H. Clinton-Dix 6-2 0.0 0 0
D. House 5-1 0.0 1 0
M. Daniels 3-0 0.0 0 0
J. Jones 3-0 0.0 0 0
K. King 3-2 0.0 0 0
K. Clark 2-3 0.0 0 0

Q. Dial 2-2 0.0 0 0
D. Lowry 2-0 0.0 0 0
C. Matthews 2-1 0.0 0 0
N. Perry 2-1 1.0 0 0
D. Randall 2-1 0.0 1 0
K. Fackrell 1-1 0.0 0 0
J. Hawkins 1-0 0.0 0 0
M. Evans 0-2 0.0 0 0
C. Odom 0-1 0.0 0 0

[gbgary]

well...it was pretty much what i thought would happen. no defense, mm too conservative, hundley was just ok.

[Maxie the Taxi]

well...it was pretty much what i thought would happen. no defense, mm too conservative, hundley was just ok.+1

[mraynrand]

Holy cannoli. 87 yards passing? Maybe I won't watch it.

[Pugger]

I know, I was just being snippy. The problem is even if Rodgers was playing, I would question what McCarthy is doing when Jones has 9.2 yards per carry. Why doesn't he have 30 carries right now instead of 11?

Stubby isn't going to be this conservative with Rodgers out there and defenses aren't gonna load up the box and dare our QB to beat them with the pass.

[Pugger]

Hundley doesn't get the "young QB" excuse. Some guys plays as rookies.

I'm not giving up on him, just expected more. I am unrealistic, I guess.

We forget when Rodgers had his first extended playing time he didn't look any better.

[Pugger]

Can somebody please get a helmet on Cam Jordan.

That guy is a beast and will terrorize QBs for years.

[pbmax]

Holy cannoli. 87 yards passing? Maybe I won't watch it.

After the first half, there isn't much to recommend it. If it was a play, it wouldn't open again next weekend.

In the second half there was one D stand and some Aaron Jones.

[Pugger]

how many quick slants, bubbles, and screens can we see today? Brees just looks like he's playing Madden agains the Packers....but Madden might be tougher.

Brees can make a lot of defenses look silly...

[Pugger]

That sucked royally. Dang. I'm losing hope in this game.

Did you really expect us to win this game?

[Pugger]

Saints are really pretty good. We just don't have a QB yet.

And without a dynamite defense you are really screwed without a good QB. Do any of you think New Orleans would be winning this game if they lost Brees for the season?

[Pugger]

Pretty bad before half time too considering we had two turnovers and a couple huge runs by Jones. We stunk it up today.

You have to wonder if this game would have turned out differently had we had a QB who could have taken advantage of those 2 early INTs...

[yetisnowman]

Brees can make a lot of defenses look silly...

Yeah but our defense looks silly with regularity week to week. That's a cop out.

[red]

Brees can make a lot of defenses look silly...

so why did they look silly last week against some guy whose name i can't even remember?

or almost every other game of almost every other season since the super bowl win?

when a guy like brett hundley goes up against our defense in his first start, he has a career game

[red]

And without a dynamite defense you are really screwed without a good QB. Do any of you think New Orleans would be winning this game if they lost Brees for the season?

yes, because their backup QB probably would have thrown for 300 yards and a couple of TD's against our D

[Pugger]

Yeah but our defense looks silly with regularity week to week. That's a cop out.

Boy, you guys are really pissed. Its hysterical some of you expected a different outcome today. :lol:

[beveaux1]

Boy, you guys are really pissed. Its hysterical some of you expected a different outcome today. :lol:

We built our entire offense around Rodgers. AR takes 100% of the snaps during practice every week during the season. The only snaps Hundley or Callahan get are scout team and preseason. AR basically chooses what receivers he has enough confidence in for the team to use. For anyone to think that this offense was going to move along at anywhere near the clip that it did pre-injury is kind of crazy. The NFL limits the kind and duration of practices during the season. My guess is that it will take a minimum of 4 games to get Hundley up to speed and his speed is likely to be a fraction of ARs speed. MM is never going to say that he wasn't expecting an outcome like today, but he was and he'll expect an outcome similar on their next game unless the opponents defense is significantly worse. I remember 2013 with Tolzien and Wallace. This should be much the same except we won't look for a Veteran like Flynn.

[woodbuck27]

Boy, you guys are really pissed. Its hysterical some of you expected a different outcome today. :lol:

The confusing part to this week as it ended is:

What was Mike McCarthy expecting?

Except for the BS he would spin after an inevitable loss to a very HOT New Orleans Saints Team.

[Pugger]

We built our entire offense around Rodgers. AR takes 100% of the snaps during practice every week during the season. The only snaps Hundley or Callahan get are scout team and preseason. AR basically chooses what receivers he has enough confidence in for the team to use. For anyone to think that this offense was going to move along at anywhere near the clip that it did pre-injury is kind of crazy. The NFL limits the kind and duration of practices during the season. My guess is that it will take a minimum of 4 games to get Hundley up to speed and his speed is likely to be a fraction of ARs speed. MM is never going to say that he wasn't expecting an outcome like today, but he was and he'll expect an outcome similar on their next game unless the opponents defense is significantly worse. I remember 2013 with Tolzien and Wallace. This should be much the same except we won't look for a Veteran like Flynn.

Yes, it may take Hundley a few games before this offense looks decent. I will say he's better than any QB we had behind Rodgers in 2013...

[channtheman]

Did you really expect us to win this game?

I didn't really expect to win per se, but we certainly made it a game and even had a lead in the 4th quarter. The Packers are experts at getting me to believe during the game before ripping my heart out and losing anyway.

[woodbuck27]

Originally Posted by MadScientist View Post
Can somebody please get a helmet on Cam Jordan.


That guy is a beast and will terrorize QBs for years.

Cam Jordan's NFL Stat's:

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/6507/cameron-jordan

[MadScientist]

Originally Posted by MadScientist View Post
Can somebody please get a helmet on Cam Jordan.



Cam Jordan's NFL Stat's:

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/6507/cameron-jordan

It's unfortunate those stats don't include pressures and QB hits. That would give a much more accurate view of how much he disrupted this game.

[mraynrand]

It's unfortunate those stats don't include pressures and QB hits. That would give a much more accurate view of how much he disrupted this game.

Would be nice to know. Saints defense had sixteen deflections against the Lions - and scored 3 TDs. That's just astonishing.

[smuggler]

Shame of these last two games is they are games Green Bay undoubtedly wins with Rodgers and weren't even competitive in either game without him, though they did actually manage a lead against the Saints at halftime.

[Patler]

Shame of these last two games is they are games Green Bay undoubtedly wins with Rodgers and weren't even competitive in either game without him, though they did actually manage a lead against the Saints at halftime.

At halftime? They lead in the 4th quarter until 10:21 left in the game.
The game was there to be won, if the defense could have made a stop sometime in the second half.

[pbmax]

The game was there to be won, if the defense could have scored sometime in the second half.

Fixed it for you.

[Patler]

Fixed it for you.

It didn't need to be fixed. The offense did move the ball, albeit inconsistently, hut had few 2nd half opportunities because the defense couldn't get off the field. You can't expect the offense to routinely put up 30 points, and score on almost every possession.The simple fact, which everyone wants to overlook, is that they had a lead with 10 minutes left in the game even though the defense hadn't stopped a drive and didn't, the entire second half.

A stop here or there by the defense would have given the offense another opportunity or two, maybe another Fg or TD, and a different game at the end.

[pbmax]

It didn't need to be fixed. The offense did move the ball, albeit inconsistently, hut had few 2nd half opportunities because the defense couldn't get off the field. You can't expect the offense to routinely put up 30 points, and score on almost every possession.The simple fact, which everyone wants to overlook, is that they had a lead with 10 minutes left in the game even though the defense hadn't stopped a drive and didn't, the entire second half.

A stop here or there by the defense would have given the offense another opportunity or two, maybe another Fg or TD, and a different game at the end.

Starting position wasn't good. New Orleans average the 30 yard line. Packers averaged the 18 (this was hurt by the penalty on the big Davis return).

But the second half offense looked like this:

GB 25 yard line, 5 plays, 18 yards. Punt
GB 19 yard line, 10 plays, 38 yards (plus 15 on penalty). FG
GB 10 yard line. 3 plays, 6 yards. Punt
GB 25 yard line.3 plays, 4 yards. Int.

I don't think that can be defined as moving the ball. McCarthy was mad as he gets publicly over the second half and this was the main reason. Whatever they cooked up at half time backfired. In the first half (with one huge Jones run) they had 195 net yards. In the second half, they had 65.

C'mon. Defense wasn't good. But the second half offense was putrid.

[mraynrand]

Starting position wasn't good. New Orleans average the 30 yard line. Packers averaged the 18 (this was hurt by the penalty on the big Davis return).

But the second half offense looked like this:

GB 25 yard line, 5 plays, 18 yards. Punt
GB 19 yard line, 10 plays, 38 yards (plus 15 on penalty). FG
GB 10 yard line. 3 plays, 6 yards. Punt
GB 25 yard line.3 plays, 4 yards. Int.

I don't think that can be defined as moving the ball. McCarthy was mad as he gets publicly over the second half and this was the main reason. Whatever they cooked up at half time backfired. In the first half (with one huge Jones run) they had 195 net yards. In the second half, they had 65.

C'mon. Defense wasn't good. But the second half offense was putrid.

Stubby was also pissed about the defense. He specifically said if they could have made some stops the offense would have had more chances. Four series - really three - in one half is not good. And that's not on the offense (in fact, you could say the offense gave itself more opportunities for possessions by making some of them so short!)

But Stubby even told the sideline reporter that they were going to run and then do play action. But they never really did. Virtually all passes cam from gun/pistol formation. The only 'play action' they really did was the reverse type - inside run handoffs from pistol (and the QB/RB option if you want to count that). But they never really got the LBs to bite on a play action pass.

[pbmax]

I am normally optimistic, especially about younger players stepping up.

But I don't see that second half offense doing anything with extra possessions. Maybe they rectify it if given time, but it sure didn't look like it was going to happen.

[Patler]

The o was not good in the second half, I'm not disputing that. But part of the reason was the circumstances it was put in. In the first half they had scoring drives of 70 and 60 yards. Without Rodgers, they have to be given multiple opportunities in good situations to be effective. That means the defense will have to come up with stops when they have the other team backed up in their own end (like 1st and 10 at the NO 14 when GB had the lead in the 4th qtr.). A 3-and-out or holding NO to a single 1st down gives the ball back to the O needing only a short drive for at least a FG, or maybe even a TD on a drive shorter than either of the first half scores. It also means the STs have to do their jobs and give the ball to the O in good position, like the 40 yard line instead of the 10 because of a penalty on the kickoff. From the 40, a short drive nets a FG and the Packers retaking the lead.

With a one point lead at the start of the 4th qtr, the defense gave up a four and a half minute 60 yard drive from NO's 14 for a FG, and a three and a half minute 55 yard drive for a touchdown. Between those two drives, ST's gave the offense the ball at their own 10 yard line on the kickoff. The net result of those three possessions, two by NO and one by GB was the Packers going from a one point lead to a 9 point, two possession deficit. The game was over. The offense had managed to claw back the lead, and suddenly was two possessions down without having had much of a chance.

The defense gave up scores on every possession in the second half. They started with a 7 point lead and were given back a one point lead in the fourth. The game was there for the defense and ST's to hold on to. They gave it away.