Is Rodgers Clavicle Getting The Best Care?

[pbmax]

The Association for Vascular Access does not think so.

From his post of post surgery recovery, they have done a mini film breakdown.

Here is the annotated photo:


http://www.avainfo.org/resource/resmgr/images/News_and_Calendar_Events/Aaron_Rodgers_2.png



First, this PIV has been placed in Aaron’s hand and terminates at his wrist. When he bends his wrist he risks pistoning his catheter which could lead to phlebitis, dislodgment, embolism, infiltration and infection.

PIVs can be placed in the hand, but the tip location is important. And with a patient as young and healthy as Aaron, his probably should have been placed in the arm.

Second, the hair where his PIV was inserted should have been removed prior to being placed. Third, there is blood visible in the cannula, which needs to be flushed. It is also secured with tape. There are better options for securing PIVs. PIVs get dislodged at an alarming rate.


http://www.avainfo.org/default.asp?page=AaronRodgers

[mraynrand]

I smell a malpractice lawsuit

https://gowithalvarez.com/images/attorney1.jpg

No fees unless you win!

[gbgary]

lol

saw that twitter. reminds me of the golfing fans who phone in violations.

[QBME]

The Association for Vascular Access does not think so.

From his post of post surgery recovery, they have done a mini film breakdown.

Here is the annotated photo:


http://www.avainfo.org/resource/resmgr/images/News_and_Calendar_Events/Aaron_Rodgers_2.png





http://www.avainfo.org/default.asp?page=AaronRodgers

PB - this is just a wee bit over the top, no?

[George Cumby]

My youngest has been hospitalized three times. And from our experience in NICU, PICU etc., this looks like shoddy work.

[pbmax]

My youngest has been hospitalized three times. And from our experience in NICU, PICU etc., this looks like shoddy work.

Hope all is better.

I have heard that you need to be pretty skilled to successfully do this with the young, the elderly and chronically ill patients. A nurse in the family always insisted on a nurse from the chemotherapy ward when they needed to put in a line.

[pbmax]

PB - this is just a wee bit over the top, no?

You don't think they are gunning for attention by leveraging an NFL QB do you?

:D

[George Cumby]

Hope all is better.

I have heard that you need to be pretty skilled to successfully do this with the young, the elderly and chronically ill patients. A nurse in the family always insisted on a nurse from the chemotherapy ward when they needed to put in a line.

Thanks PB. Talk to me when she’s 20 Thatll be in 17 1/2 years.

Anytime you breach the skin you’re opening the route for infection. You really haven’t lived until you’ve got a line in your one-year-old’s jugular vein and femoral artery simultaneously.

That alone is scary but from a detail Standpoint why not shave where they put the tape? That’s just basic stuff.

Seriously, why not put the line in the antecubital space?

[Harlan Huckleby]

It's gonna be a long season.

[pbmax]

It's gonna be a long season.

It is. So more personal stories!

I am, lets say not as young as Rodgers. And I have had an IV in my hand before. It has to be something that has changed in my lifetime when they went through their processes and realized that one source of the infections they are always trying to combat was poor placement of an IV line.

[ThunderDan]

Thanks PB. Talk to me when she’s 20 Thatll be in 17 1/2 years.

Anytime you breach the skin you’re opening the route for infection. You really haven’t lived until you’ve got a line in your one-year-old’s jugular vein and femoral artery simultaneously.

That alone is scary but from a detail Standpoint why not shave where they put the tape? That’s just basic stuff.

Seriously, why not put the line in the antecubital space?

I know how you feel. Our guy had to spend the first 6 weeks of his life in the NICU. He was 2lbs 12oz at birth. All sorts of tubes and lines to keep him alive.

Best of luck. Our guy is now 10 and doing great. No lingering effects. He is one of the tallest in his grade and he didn't make the height and weight chart until his 3rd birthday when he finally hit 5%.

We thought we had it bad until the brought a new baby into the NICU. The kid was in rough shape but the mom had a stoke during/before child birth. Mom was at UW Hospital in Madison. The kid was in Waukesha. The dad would get up and go to see his son, go to work, drive to Madison to be with his wife, drive back to Waukesha to see his son and then go home at midnight.

[ThunderDan]

The Association for Vascular Access does not think so.

From his post of post surgery recovery, they have done a mini film breakdown.

Here is the annotated photo:


http://www.avainfo.org/resource/resmgr/images/News_and_Calendar_Events/Aaron_Rodgers_2.png





http://www.avainfo.org/default.asp?page=AaronRodgers

Just wait until his nurse trips on the line. Then ARod will be in real pain.

[hoosier]

I think the AVA is overthinking this one. The low res image doesn't allow them to say with certainty where the IV needle ends. If I had to guess I would say it ends where the tape ends, which is well above the wrist. Whoever does the IV is probably going to do what they are most familiar and comfortable with, and in the case of hospital nurses that usually means starting distally so that you have other options if you need them (if you start in the forearm or elbow joint and need to redo it then you have fewer options). Hand is also preferred to upper forearm because it's less susceptible to movement (despite what the AVA thinks it can read about the needle being too close to the wrist). Much ado about nothing, methinks.

[mraynrand]

I think the AVA is overthinking this one. The low res image doesn't allow them to say with certainty where the IV needle ends. If I had to guess I would say it ends where the tape ends, which is well above the wrist. Whoever does the IV is probably going to do what they are most familiar and comfortable with, and in the case of hospital nurses that usually means starting distally so that you have other options if you need them (if you start in the forearm or elbow joint and need to redo it then you have fewer options). Hand is also preferred to upper forearm because it's less susceptible to movement (despite what the AVA thinks it can read about the needle being too close to the wrist). Much ado about nothing, methinks.


Uh oh, now we are getting into deep analysis. Next I'm sure will come reports regarding the gauge of the needle. "18? WTF kind of hospital was this? We only use 22 ga in a vein of Rodger's circumference!"

When Rodgers returns he can kneel during the anthem to protest the AMA.

Sometimes a picture is not worth 5 words, let alone thousands.

[mraynrand]

Just wait until his nurse trips on the line. Then ARod will be in real pain.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3d/dd/9f/3ddd9fa8be3b0679e63c8aeab3cb7bff.jpg

[mraynrand]

I just conferred with several highly-skilled, internationally recognized surgical and orthopedic trauma specialists and they all agree that they don't give a fuck.

[Carolina_Packer]

Just wait until his nurse trips on the line. Then ARod will be in real pain.

The IV will already be out and she'll take two steps before illegally contacting him.

[gbgary]

he also got 13 screws installed in his collar bone. sounds like overkill. 11 sounds about right to me.

[hoosier]

he also got 13 screws installed in his collar bone. sounds like overkill. 11 sounds about right to me.

Wood, machine, or drywall screws?

[hoosier]

I just conferred with several highly-skilled, internationally recognized surgical and orthopedic trauma specialists and they all agree that they don't give a fuck.

That's what the guy who did Sherrod's leg said.

[pbmax]

That's what the guy who did Sherrod's leg said.

Looks straight to me!

[gbgary]

Wood, machine, or drywall screws?
I was joking when I said 11. here's some info...http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/profootballdoc/sd-sp-pfd-aarond-rodgers-conan-injury-packers-1026-story,amp.html

[mraynrand]

That's what the guy who did Sherrod's leg said.
The Kansas City Quack! He's been put on notice by the OTA.

[Joemailman]

I just hope they got it right. Last think we need is a quarterback with a screw loose.

[pbmax]

I was joking when I said 11. here's some info...http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/profootballdoc/sd-sp-pfd-aarond-rodgers-conan-injury-packers-1026-story,amp.html

That article was depressing. I hope he was joking.

[QBME]

In any case, Aaron was at the World Series game in LA last night. Seems he pulling through OK.

[hoosier]

He was probably miffed that Puig and Bellinger both took the collar

[mraynrand]

I just hope they got it right. Last think we need is a quarterback with a screw loose.

:rs:

I just flew in from Cleveland, and man are my arms tired!

[mraynrand]

That article was depressing. I hope he was joking.

The x-ray showed it was comminuted by the crying Jordan. Probably needed the extra long plate to span that area.

[Joemailman]

:rs:

I just flew in from Cleveland, and man are my arms tired!

http://instantrimshot.com/

[QBME]

He was probably miffed that Puig and Bellinger both took the collar

Boo!

[mraynrand]

http://instantrimshot.com/

“I was playing chess with my friend and he said, ‘Let’s make this interesting’. So we stopped playing chess.”

“I usually meet my girlfriend at 12:59 because I like that one-to-one time.”

“I was raised as an only child, which really annoyed my sister.”

“Life is like a box of chocolates. It doesn’t last long if you’re fat.”

“You can’t lose a homing pigeon. If your homing pigeon doesn’t come back, then what you’ve lost is a pigeon.”

[QBME]

“You can’t lose a homing pigeon. If your homing pigeon doesn’t come back, then what you’ve lost is a pigeon.”

HA! Saved the best for last.

[Cheesehead Craig]

There's just a clavicle-ade of jokes in here.

[mraynrand]

There's just a clavicle-ade of jokes in here.

that was good. It was Joycean - like "Wim with Jim"

[mraynrand]

“My Dad said, always leave them wanting more. Ironically, that’s how he lost his job in disaster relief.”

“The first time I met my wife, I knew she was a keeper. She was wearing massive gloves.”

“My Dad told me to invest my money in bonds. So I bought 100 copies of Goldfinger.”

[Pugger]

This thread is a bonafide groaner.

[mraynrand]

“I am writing a film script about going back in time to stop Hitler’s parents meeting at the Austrian Enchantment ‘Under The Sea’ dance. It’s called ‘Back to the Fuhrer’!”

[mraynrand]

“Crash Investigations is my favourite TV show, I’ve seen every episode. Here’s a tip for the new viewers: if the show starts with the pilots being interviewed… it will be a boring episode.”

[hoosier]

This is like listening to my kids practice their jokes. Fiftieth iteration is not necessarily more amusing.

[mraynrand]

This is like listening to my kids practice their jokes. Fiftieth iteration is not necessarily more amusing.

You can do what I did with my kids: ignore them

[gbgary]

i went to the dentist the other day. "hey doc...my teeth are yellow." he said, "wear a brown tie."

[hoosier]

You can do what I did with my kids: ignore them

.....What?

[hoosier]

i went to the dentist the other day. "hey doc...my teeth are yellow." he said, "wear a brown tie."

That reminds me of an off topic joke, not to say off color: What is brown and sticky?

[Smidgeon]

That reminds me of an off topic joke, not to say off color: What is brown and sticky?

A stick.

[esoxx]

Horse walks into a bar. Bartender asks, why the long face?

[Fritz]

A rope walks into a bar. Bartender says "Hey buddy, we don't serve rope here."

The rope goes into a nearby alleyway. He pulls his threads apart, turns himself into a loop and makes a knot with the loosed threads sticking out. Walks back into the bar. Sits down.

Bartender eyes him suspiciously. "Say, aren't you that piece of rope that was just in here a minute ago?"

Rope says "No, I'm afraid not."

[esoxx]

Giraffe walks in to a bar. Yells highballs on me!

[red]

has anyone posted his?

pretty fucking funny


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-idSP5Ztaw

[denverYooper]

I'd tell a UDP joke, but I'm not sure anyone would get it.

[call_me_ishmael]

Programming joke? Heyyyyooo

[mraynrand]

I'd tell a UDP joke, but I'm not sure anyone would get it.

that didn't stop me

[pbmax]

I'd tell a UDP joke, but I'm not sure anyone would get it.

I got it, but there were some delays. Almost as long as sounding out "a frayed knot" took.

[Zool]

A stick.

What’s brown and rhymes with snoop?

[Harlan Huckleby]

http://prod.static.colts.clubs.nfl.com/assets/images/imported/IND/article-images/2015/players/swoope-erik-2014.jpg

[woodbuck27]

I know how you feel. Our guy had to spend the first 6 weeks of his life in the NICU. He was 2lbs 12oz at birth. All sorts of tubes and lines to keep him alive.

Best of luck. Our guy is now 10 and doing great. No lingering effects. He is one of the tallest in his grade and he didn't make the height and weight chart until his 3rd birthday when he finally hit 5%.

We thought we had it bad until the brought a new baby into the NICU. The kid was in rough shape but the mom had a stoke during/before child birth. Mom was at UW Hospital in Madison. The kid was in Waukesha. The dad would get up and go to see his son, go to work, drive to Madison to be with his wife, drive back to Waukesha to see his son and then go home at midnight.

This is what I deem perspective, or a Reality Check.

[gbgary]

Rodgers speaks...http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-daily-news-story/article-1/Aaron-Rodgers-It-comes-down-to-how-fast-the-bone-heals/a894a44c-2454-492b-98ac-662dc7d84f5d?qwr=nomob

[woodbuck27]

http://prod.static.colts.clubs.nfl.com/assets/images/imported/IND/article-images/2015/players/swoope-erik-2014.jpg

Harlan you never let me down.

'Huck and Buck' still undefeated and 'All Time Packerrat Champions' and... how to use humour to make any point.


:knll:

[woodbuck27]

Horse walks into a bar. Bartender asks, why the long face?

A Newfie walks into a bar, notices a very large jar on the counter, and sees it’s filled to the brim with $10 bills.

He guesses there must be thousands of dollars in it.

He approaches the bartender and asks,”What’s up with the jar?”

“Well, you pay $10, and if you pass three tests, you get all the money.”

The man certainly isn’t going to pass this up. “What are the three tests?”

“Pay first, those are the rules.” says the bartender.

So the Newfie gives him the $10, and the bartender drops it into the jar.

“OK,” the bartender says, “here’s what you need to do: First – You have to drink that entire gallon of pepper tequila the whole thing, all at once…and you can’t make a face while doing it.

Second, – There’s a pit bull chained-up out back with a sore tooth.
You have to remove the tooth with your bare hands.

Third, – There’s a 90-year-old woman upstairs who has never reached orgasm during intercourse. You’ve gotta make things right for her.”

The Newfie is stunned. “I know I paid my 10 bucks, but I’m not an idiot! I won’t do it!
You have to be nuts to drink a gallon of pepper tequila, and then do those other things….”

“Your call,” says the bartender, “but your money stays where it is.”

As time goes on and the Newfie has a few drinks, then a few more, he asks, “Wherez zat teeqeelah?”
He grabs the gallon with both hands and downs it with a big slurp.
Tears are streaming down both cheeks, but he doesn’t make a face.

Next, he staggers out back where the pit bull is chained-up, and soon all the people inside the bar hear a huge, noisy, scuffle going on outside.

They hear the pit bull barking, the guy screaming, the pit bull yelping, and then…………silence.

Just when they think the Newfie surely must be dead, he staggers back into the bar, with his shirt ripped and large bloody scratches all over his body.

Now,” he says, “where’s the old woman with the sore tooth?

[woodbuck27]

Here's another Bar related Newfie Joke and you should know there are a whole lot of Irish Genes in Newfoundland:

" ...A Newfoundlander walks into a bar in Halifax, orders three drafts of Keith's and sits in the back of the room, drinking a sip out of each one in turn. When he finishes them, he comes back to the bar and orders three more.

The bartender approaches and tells him "You know, a draft goes flat after I draw it, it would taste better if you bought one at a time."

The Newfoundlander replies, "Well, you see, I have two brothers. One is in Toronto, the other is in Boston, and I'm here in Halifax. When we all left home we promised that we'd drink this way to remember the days we drank together. So I drink one for each o'me brothers and one for myself."

The bartender admits that this is a nice custom and leaves it there.

The Newfoundlander becomes a regular in the bar and always drinks the same way. He orders three pints and drinks them in turn.

One day, he comes in and orders two pints.

All the other regulars take notice and fall silent.

When he comes back to the bar for the second round, the bartender says, "I don't want to intrude on your grief, but I wanted to offer my condolences on your loss."

The Newfoundlander looks quite puzzled for a moment, then a light dawns and he laughs, "Oh, no, everybody's just fine." He explains. "It's just that my wife had us join the Pentecostal Church and I had to quit drinking. Hasn't affected me brothers though."..."

[Zool]

What’s brown and rhymes with snoop?

Dr Dre

[Harlan Huckleby]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CL6n0FJZpk

I don't think I just got old, I woulda thought this was gross and stupid when I was young.

[woodbuck27]

http://www.nfl.com/public/article/2017/11/03/0ap3000000871634.htm

Don't ask Aaron Rodgers when he'll return from the broken collarbone that has derailed his 2017 season.

"...the Packers quarterback wasn't about to make foolhardy prognostications about whether or not he'll be back to spearhead a potential Green Bay playoff run. His message to anyone who'll listen? Check back in about six weeks.

For Rodgers, where the Packers might be in the standings by then isn't his concern. His focus remains on doing everything he can to get healthy as soon as possible.

"It will be the bone healing. But there's a timetable," Rodgers said. "I believe I can practice in six weeks based on the schedule. So if I'm at a place at that point healing-wise and [able] to throw, then I'll be out here. And if I'm not, I won't." ..."

GO PACKERS !

[Pugger]

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/profootballdoc/sd-sp-pfd-aaron-rodgers-practice-return-shoulder-1115-story.html

[pbmax]

^ Dr. David Chao I believe and he is pretty good at diagnosing from afar.