Whither Callahan?

[Guiness]

Who's on the 'play Callahan' bandwagon?

I've see enough of Hundley. His pocket awareness alone is enough to sit him down.

[Joemailman]

Only if you're prepared to go with him the rest of the way, whether he's good or bad. You don't want to get into playing musical quarterbacks.

If the rest of the offensive players would have more confidence in Callahan than Hundley, then play Callahan.

[mraynrand]

well, at least we know they shouldn't go with Cobb.

[Guiness]

Only if you're prepared to go with him the rest of the way, whether he's good or bad. You don't want to get into playing musical quarterbacks.

If the rest of the offensive players would have more confidence in Callahan than Hundley, then play Callahan.

I'm ok with that.

I've seen enough of Brett2. I like none of it. Let's see what they've got in Callahan.

Watching Perriman now. He's looking like a keeper.

[King Friday]

no point in dumping Hundley...Joe Cool isn't likely to be any better.

[red]

i can't imagine how fat mike has prepared him any better to play then he has his pet project

[Maxie the Taxi]

I'd probably start Hundley, but if the guy plays like shit, put in Callahan, maybe to start the second half. At this point, what the hell difference does it make. As I recall, Callahan has a bit of aggressiveness and excitement in his game. I haven't seen that from Randy.

[gbgary]

only if hundley gets hurt...which might happen with the way he hangs himself out to dry and backup lineman playing.

[woodbuck27]

The next two - three games play it like Pre-Season Game. Use your QB's to really see what you've got. Juggle it up. Certainly do that if Brett Hundley doesn't show some kind of a Miracle. I was hoping that in today's game in the second half that MM might at least demonstrate 'the Mercy Rule'.

MM is absolutely just too thick for that. He showed that calling a play instead of punting on a 4th down and 6 yards in a close game. Get the Team in the damn Dressing Room and simply re-group. Not Mike McCarthy.

What do you expect from Mike McCarthy in a key situation and a decision of dire consequences?

MM is praying like no man's business that a miracle might happen and Aaron Rodgers might come back and we'll see Packer wins before Season'e end.

Anything but anything to add to his BS and another Season as the Packer HC.

The fact of the matter is it's ONE BIG HAPPY FAMILY in Green Bay.

Nobody in the BIG Three or GM, HC nor DC leaves. It's right onto ...it's onto next Season....and Repaat.

[denverYooper]

No.

[pbmax]

well, at least we know they shouldn't go with Cobb.

But he hasn't tried to throw from the wildcat.

[Teamcheez1]

MM would be admitting a mistake if he plays Callahan. The only way Callahan gets in the game is if Hundley gets hurt.

Callahan may not be any better than Hundley, but it would be tough to be worse.

I'm ready to get Kap on the phone. That's desperation.

[Pugger]

no point in dumping Hundley...Joe Cool isn't likely to be any better.

This. The season is toast anyway so what difference would it make?

[Pugger]

MM would be admitting a mistake if he plays Callahan. The only way Callahan gets in the game is if Hundley gets hurt.

Callahan may not be any better than Hundley, but it would be tough to be worse.

I'm ready to get Kap on the phone. That's desperation.

Too hell with going with Kap. I'd roll with Hundley and only go the Joe if Brett gets hurt. This is our reality for the rest of the season. The only good thing about all this is we'll finally get a shot at a real play maker in the upcoming draft.

[Maxie the Taxi]

This. The season is toast anyway so what difference would it make?So, if the season is toast, what difference would it make if we play Callahan, to see what he's made of?

[SMBASS]

I'd put Callahan out there just to find out if either one of them is worth keeping around next year or if I need to start the entire backup process over again. You really have no idea what someone is made of until you put them in a game situation. Callahan has been in the system long enough that you should be able to run a decent sized chunk of the offense and he actually didn't look too bad in some exhibition games.

This is a far-fetched example, but nobody ever though Brady was going to amount to anything except a 6th Rd. potentially competent backup until Bledsoe got hurt and he had an opportunity to show what he was capable of doing in a game. If Callahan bombs BFD. He wouldn't be the first or last brutally terrible backup or even starter we've had in GB. I just haven't seen anything out of Hundley that would make me want to invest much more time into him and it's not like we're going anywhere this year anyways.

[bobblehead]

Yep. Paraphrasing others and adding my own bit: Find out which QB should be the back up next season. I feel safe saying it shouldn't be Hundley. If Callahan isn't better we need to know it now so we can sign Josh McCown or some other 40 yo veteran QB. If you are so sure that he isn't better than Hundley then put him back on the practice squad, you are wasting a roster spot.

Very few QBs would still be starters with the 3 games Hundley has put in so far.

[call_me_ishmael]

Does it make a difference? Probably not. I think we've seen that Hundley isn't a tradeable asset :( might as well keep playing him and complete the tank job to get some pass rushing talent on this team.

[mraynrand]

Very few QBs would still be starters with the 3 games Hundley has put in so far.

true, but they might be back-ups

[pbmax]

Hundley starting is a win-win.

You want to tank and get a better pick? Start Hundley - Win

You want to develop a young player and see if they can make it? Start Hundley - Win

Callahan can have his shot in five years when a Lion breaks Rodgers collarbone next.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Hundley starting is a win-win.

You want to tank and get a better pick? Start Hundley - Win

You want to develop a young player and see if they can make it? Start Hundley - Win

Callahan can have his shot in five years when a Lion breaks Rodgers collarbone next.Sounds more like a lose-lose thing to me. Lose games, lose the season. Unless you believe Hundley will do neither. Is that what you believe?

[pbmax]

Sounds more like a lose-lose thing to me. Lose games, lose the season. Unless you believe Hundley will do neither. Is that what you believe?

Do you really think Callahan gets you to the playoffs?

I think there is a remote, outside shot Hundley and McCarthy figure something out and win a few games. I have even less certainty about Callahan. Maybe Callahan can run the current close to ARod version of this offense better, but he didn't look fantastic in preseason either.

If remote are the best odds they have, then the best info is whether Hundley can play. Callahan is a secondary consideration that can be made later.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Do you really think Callahan gets you to the playoffs?

I think there is a remote, outside shot Hundley and McCarthy figure something out and win a few games. I have even less certainty about Callahan. Maybe Callahan can run the current close to ARod version of this offense better, but he didn't look fantastic in preseason either.

If remote are the best odds they have, then the best info is whether Hundley can play. Callahan is a secondary consideration that can be made later.This isn't about Callahan getting us into the playoffs. It's about Hundley. It's about the rest of this year and next year.

As I see it, the best case scenario is that Hundley loses his bad habits and bad instincts and the Pack eeks out a couple wins to get into the playoffs. Arod comes back and we repeat the 2010 season.

What are the odds of that happening? Probably zero.

A more likely scenario is Hundley finishes out the season and maybe eeks out a win against the Browns. He flashes signs of ability, maybe even brilliance. Hell, Flynn set records against Detroit one year.

If that likely scenario happens, where are we with regard to 2018? Same place we are now.

Odds are they won't hang on to Hundley, who by the season's end will be a known quantity, and Callahan will continue to be an unknown quantity. Odds are he'll be gone too and next year we'll go into the season with some drafted rookie as backup. Or at best, Hundley, if we don't get rid of him.

And in the meantime we suffer through more games like yesterday's.

I've got to hand it to the Vikes. Bridgewater went down and they went out and got Bradford. Bradford goes down and they went out and got Keenum. We stand pat.

The Viking game plan puts them into the playoffs and maybe the Super Bowl.

Us????

[pbmax]

They just didn't get Keenum. They got a whole new offense. Rebuilt the line, finally hit on drafting receivers and replaced Peterson with a top player.

You seem to be convinced that Hundley will never develop and the need to get on with evaluation of Callahan. I believe in Callahan less than Hundley, but regardless, there is less time with BH and more time for Callahan. Need to decide on Hundley with more than 4 games of info.

M3 has got to stop game planning and install an offense he can run.

And not laying this on Maxie, who has not made this point, this is the reason most teams have no excuse for not hiring Kaepernick. The offense will change regardless.

[mraynrand]

I hate to always harp on the injuries and circumstances but it’s hard to install an offense when the evil traitorous TE bolted two running backs get hurt and the tackle - at least on one side is marginal.

The exact O you (Stubbers) wants to run is killed by those problems, not to mention Hundley’s hesitancy.

[mraynrand]

I guess the Vikings are the team building strategy du jour.

[pbmax]

I hate to always harp on the injuries and circumstances but it’s hard to install an offense when the evil traitorous TE bolted two running backs get hurt and the tackle - at least on one side is marginal.

The exact O you (Stubbers) wants to run is killed by those problems, not to mention Hundley’s hesitancy.

Sure, it doesn't help. But right now those right tackles are worse in pass pro than run blocking. Or perhaps, there is less risk to the franchise if they blow run blocks than pass blocks.

Losing your blocking TE doesn't help either, but there are adjustments and two FBs, at least one of which can catch a pass.

But what really makes me wonder is that the Ravens have had trouble with the run. Sure they got one run stuffer back, but they aren't as effective as they are heavy. Williams found some room even as his average wasn't great. Inside the tackles he normally got his three yards and started off a bit better.

So I get expecting the Ravens to commit to stopping the run and hoping to force Hundley to throw. But realizing that is their strategy shouldn't cause you to give in to it immediately. That is the time to vary when you pass (first down) and when you run to go against tendencies. Running no huddle and not letting the Ravens get the pass rushers out there was nice, but it wasn't enough.

[Maxie the Taxi]

You'd guess wrong, Rand.:-) Just throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks. So, if you were the Vikes you would have promoted Kyle Sloter to the #1 QB when Bradford went down instead of going shopping for a Keenum?

As far as injuries and player losses, welcome to the NFL. Minnesota is the poster child for that, Dallas isn't far behind. Look at Miami. Fix it Stubby!!! We impatient fans demand action now! I'm mad as hell and I ain't going to take this anymore!!!!

hahahahaha

[mraynrand]

I think if the Packer thought Rodgers was going to be a question mark to return they would go shopping or recruiting in the off season too. They had a lot of holes to fill this offseason. Upgrading backup QB prob wasn’t as high on the list.

[Maxie the Taxi]

They just didn't get Keenum. They got a whole new offense. Rebuilt the line, finally hit on drafting receivers and replaced Peterson with a top player.Your coming awful close there, pb, to endorsing free agent signing.:-)

Minnesota replaced Shaun Hill (who might look good on our roster right now) with Case Keenum; Jake Long with Riley Reiff, signed Latavius Murray and four others.

Did I mention they're prospects this year in the NFL are exactly the opposite of ours?

They got Keenum on March 31 of this year which makes the Vikings look smart right now and us stupid. When Bradford went down the Vikings had an experienced QB in the well. When Rodgers went down we had two backup QB's neither of whom had played a down in the NFL.

[Maxie the Taxi]

I think if the Packer thought Rodgers was going to be a question mark to return they would go shopping or recruiting in the off season too. They had a lot of holes to fill this offseason. Upgrading backup QB prob wasn’t as high on the list.

I think they had the same attitude most of us had: Rodgers goes down we're fucked...period.

I had that attitude, but then I'm just a fan.

I'm thinking maybe next year we get an old experienced QB backup instead of young pups.

[SudsMcBucky]

Too hell with going with Kap. I'd roll with Hundley and only go the Joe if Brett gets hurt. This is our reality for the rest of the season. The only good thing about all this is we'll finally get a shot at a real play maker in the upcoming draft.

Only if TT gets out of town. His drafting on the defensive side of the ball has time and again been beyond putrid. Time to move on.

[Maxie the Taxi]

FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION:

Why is Callahan on the roster?

It doesn't make sense to keep him as a backup to Hundley because, as Stubby has said, you can't win with him at QB. So why waste a spot on the roster with a player who can't help you win. Without Callahan on the roster we could add someone in his spot who is actually capable of helping the team win. Like Max McCaffrey. Or Reggie Gilbert.

What if Hundley goes down and Callahan isn't active? No problem. There are plenty of other guys on the roster besides Callahan that could backup Hundley at QB without being able to help the team win. How about Jeff Janis, or Cobb? Or some skank from the defense that barely plays...like Donatello Brown. He could handle it. Or HaHa could take one for the team and play both ways.

[pbmax]

Your coming awful close there, pb, to endorsing free agent signing.:-)

Minnesota replaced Shaun Hill (who might look good on our roster right now) with Case Keenum; Jake Long with Riley Reiff, signed Latavius Murray and four others.

Did I mention they're prospects this year in the NFL are exactly the opposite of ours?

They got Keenum on March 31 of this year which makes the Vikings look smart right now and us stupid. When Bradford went down the Vikings had an experienced QB in the well. When Rodgers went down we had two backup QB's neither of whom had played a down in the NFL.

I think we were all convinced that Hundley was better than Keenum, who is extremely limited. But he is a match to the offense they are running.

Riley Reiff was discarded by the Lions because he stunk out loud. Jake Long, their previous, was just worse. The improvement has on their O line is more than a rag tag street FA signing.

The offense was built for Rodgers. And McCarthy hasn't gotten it tuned to his backup QB. That is a coaching failure. But he is learning about his new QB as his new QB is making his first NFL starts. That is the risk of draft and develop.

Even a vet backup will not be able to run Rodgers offense.

The bigger question is this: does McCarthy's offense, or Capers defense make sense in a limited practice time League?

I think smart colleges and Belichick have it right. Simple for us to teach and them to learn.

[denverYooper]

I guess the Vikings are the team building strategy du jour.

Like the Falcons or Cowboys last year.

And the Panthers the year before.

[pbmax]

Funny how no one wants to build a team like the 49ers anymore.

Or the Seahawks :)

[denverYooper]

The Vikings aren't going anywhere until they can prove they don't have a case of the Bengalitis.

[mraynrand]

nm

[Pugger]

You'd guess wrong, Rand.:-) Just throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks. So, if you were the Vikes you would have promoted Kyle Sloter to the #1 QB when Bradford went down instead of going shopping for a Keenum?

As far as injuries and player losses, welcome to the NFL. Minnesota is the poster child for that, Dallas isn't far behind. Look at Miami. Fix it Stubby!!! We impatient fans demand action now! I'm mad as hell and I ain't going to take this anymore!!!!

hahahahaha

Dallas? They just lost their best player to suspension and now their offense is sputtering. Sound familiar? MN has a good defense and Keenum is playing out of his mind but even if they win the division I don't see them beating the Eagles in the post season. Miami is a joke. We get all of their games down here and their games are real yawners.

[Pugger]

Your coming awful close there, pb, to endorsing free agent signing.:-)

Minnesota replaced Shaun Hill (who might look good on our roster right now) with Case Keenum; Jake Long with Riley Reiff, signed Latavius Murray and four others.

Did I mention they're prospects this year in the NFL are exactly the opposite of ours?

They got Keenum on March 31 of this year which makes the Vikings look smart right now and us stupid. When Bradford went down the Vikings had an experienced QB in the well. When Rodgers went down we had two backup QB's neither of whom had played a down in the NFL.

You are looking at this situation with 20/20 hindsight. I have a feeling a lot of folks like you who are now blasting TT for not shoring up our back up QB situation would have howled about him spending capital there and not getting a FA to bolster our TE and DL positions.

[Pugger]

Only if TT gets out of town. His drafting on the defensive side of the ball has time and again been beyond putrid. Time to move on.

TT doesn't seem to have a problem drafting offensive players. Is it his fault the defensive players he is drafting play poorly or could it possibly be the COACHES on that side of the ball?

[Pugger]

FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION:

Why is Callahan on the roster?

It doesn't make sense to keep him as a backup to Hundley because, as Stubby has said, you can't win with him at QB. So why waste a spot on the roster with a player who can't help you win. Without Callahan on the roster we could add someone in his spot who is actually capable of helping the team win. Like Max McCaffrey. Or Reggie Gilbert.

What if Hundley goes down and Callahan isn't active? No problem. There are plenty of other guys on the roster besides Callahan that could backup Hundley at QB without being able to help the team win. How about Jeff Janis, or Cobb? Or some skank from the defense that barely plays...like Donatello Brown. He could handle it. Or HaHa could take one for the team and play both ways.

Are you suggesting we cut Calahan and try to get some other player aready on the roster and have them be Hundley's backup? Cobb might be the only guy who played QB at a higher level than college. Should we then take away a WR from the offense and have him learn this position right now? Seriously?

[mraynrand]

Cobb might be the only guy who played QB at a higher level than college.

This is a bit of a stretch. Cobb is 0-1 with a passer rating of 39.6 in his QB career in the NFL.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Dallas? They just lost their best player to suspension and now their offense is sputtering. Sound familiar? MN has a good defense and Keenum is playing out of his mind but even if they win the division I don't see them beating the Eagles in the post season. Miami is a joke. We get all of their games down here and their games are real yawners.Both Dallas and MN are better than us right now. And Philly was a big player in the FA market. I don't think you can survive these days employing a strict Draft and Development plan...unless you have an all-World QB.

[Maxie the Taxi]

You are looking at this situation with 20/20 hindsight. I have a feeling a lot of folks like you who are now blasting TT for not shoring up our back up QB situation would have howled about him spending capital there and not getting a FA to bolster our TE and DL positions.Not me. I don't howl. TT and Stubby made a conscious decision to use greenhorns for backup QB's instead of Shaun Hill types. I'm thinking they should rethink that strategy for next year.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Are you suggesting we cut Calahan and try to get some other player aready on the roster and have them be Hundley's backup? Cobb might be the only guy who played QB at a higher level than college. Should we then take away a WR from the offense and have him learn this position right now? Seriously?I'm suggesting that the folks who think we can't win with Callahan -- including Stubby -- backup their words with action. Whether we cut Callahan or put him on the Practice squad, I don't care.

If Arod goes down and the general consensus is we tank the season with Hundley at QB, what possible use is Callahan, especially if we're not going to play him? You can only tank the season once.

[Zool]

I'm suggesting that the folks who think we can't win with Callahan -- including Stubby -- backup their words with action. Whether we cut Callahan or put him on the Practice squad, I don't care.

If Arod goes down and the general consensus is we tank the season with Hundley at QB, what possible use is Callahan, especially if we're not going to play him? You can only tank the season once.

For that matter, what use is Hundley if he’s not capable of playing at least replacement level QB? He sucks on ice right now and showing little signs of life. He’s no Mark Brunell

[mraynrand]

For that matter, what use is Hundley if he’s not capable of playing at least replacement level QB? He sucks on ice right now and showing little signs of life. He’s no Mark Brunell

probably, but Brunnel only threw 25 regular season passes or so for the Packers in one year. Same for Hasselbeck over two years. They weren't called upon to do much of anything. And when they went to their new teams they were the starters for the entire offseason program back in the days before work hour restrictions.

BTW, why did Rodgers take 13 days off when Hundley needed him most?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9ZtMGnN05Q

[Bretsky]

I WISH WE WEREN"T SITTING HER WITH CALLAHAN; BUT WE CUT THE QB I WANTED TO SEE HERE and THE SAINTS GRABBED HIM

It's be fun to try to see if he has anything.

[woodbuck27]

TT doesn't seem to have a problem drafting offensive players. Is it his fault the defensive players he is drafting play poorly or could it possibly be the COACHES on that side of the ball?

It all really falls on Ted Thompson and his Duh Duh style.

When he's gone 'Lord give us that day..please'.

The ship will right itself and The Green Bay Packers will be a whole lot better.

[woodbuck27]

I WISH WE WEREN"T SITTING HER WITH CALLAHAN; BUT WE CUT THE QB I WANTED TO SEE HERE and THE SAINTS GRABBED HIM

It's be fun to try to see if he has anything.

Anything...anything...anything