More Banjo: Week 11 vs. Baltimore

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Packers won the yardage battle. 265 to 219.

And that is all you need to know about that stat. And this game.

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Devante Mays, 3 carries, -1 yards, 2 fumbles.

TV said Clark had a knee. Silverstein says ankle. McCray had a knee injury and Spriggs came in.

Randall left with a broken neck and was judged no worse for wear.

A person related to me by biology wants to chime in that the Packers have no hope with Aaron Rodgers out. This person is not teamcheez1. This person MAY be a developing teenage cynic.

[Joemailman]

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[denverYooper]

What do you say to the banjo player in the three piece suit?

"Will the defendant please rise."

[denverYooper]

What should you do if you run over a banjo?

Back up…

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HaHa call Ravens center (Ryan Jensen) who stayed engaged with Clark after a tackle "Trash" for continuing to push Clark while Clark's legs were tied up in the pile. Said he saw the guy play dirty on tape too.

https://scout.com/nfl/packers/Article/Packers-S-Ha-Ha-Clinton-Dix-Calls-Baltimore-Ravens-Player-Trash-After-Kenny-Clarks-Injury-110762473

[woodbuck27]

What do you say to the banjo player in the three piece suit?

"Will the defendant please rise."

Where's your Harmonica?

[Teamcheez1]

“Brett Hundley’s our starter. I believe in Brett Hundley,” McCarthy said in his postgame press conference.

McCarthy said that Hundley “will definitely improve from this” and promised that he’d remain the starter against the Steelers next week.

(Can't play much worse)

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“Brett Hundley’s our starter. I believe in Brett Hundley,” McCarthy said in his postgame press conference.

McCarthy said that Hundley “will definitely improve from this” and promised that he’d remain the starter against the Steelers next week.

(Can't play much worse)

he also should have improved after each of his last 3 games, but he somehow got worse

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Tom Silverstein @TomSilverstein
McCarthy says he did not consider playing QB Joe Callahan vs. #Ravens. Said he was still trying to win the game.

Jersey Al - GBP‏
@JerseyAlGBP
Any thoughts to switching quarterbacks? MM: No.

Michael Cohen @Michael_Cohen13
#Packers coach Mike McCarthy: "You know, with Jamaal Williams, I was concerned as far as his number of touches. I had a number in mind. Devante Mays, I also had a number in mind for him. And after the fumble, I lost confidence in him."

I UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF HOLDING ON TO THE FOOTBALL AND SENDING A MESSAGE, BUT WHY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE NUMBER OF CARRIES THEN?

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Michael Cohen @Michael_Cohen13
#Packers RB Devante Mays declined an interview request. “I’m not answering any questions,” he said. Mays fumbled on his first two carries of the season today.

MOST SENSIBLE THING SAID POSTGAME OTHER THAN DANIELS SAYING HE DID NOT PEE HIS PANTS

Packer Report‏ @PackerReport
Whitehead enters the game without Randall.

SO WHITEHEAD WAS THE #4 CB AHEAD OF PIPKINS

Michael Cohen @Michael_Cohen13
#Packers LG Lane Taylor on Devante Mays fumbling his first two carries: "It happens. Kareem Hunt, he fumbled his first carry and obviously he turned out OK. He’ll be OK. He’s a good back. He’ll rebound."

Ryan Wood‏ @ByRyanWood
Since Brett Hundley took over as #Packers starting QB, he is 95-157 (60.5 percent) for 940 yards, 2 TDs, 7 INTs and a 63.1 passer rating. If he qualified, that rating would have ranked behind every QB except Browns rookie DeShone Kizer entering the day

[Teamcheez1]

Ryan Wood‏ @ByRyanWood
Since Brett Hundley took over as #Packers starting QB, he is 95-157 (60.5 percent) for 940 yards, 2 TDs, 7 INTs and a 63.1 passer rating. If he qualified, that rating would have ranked behind every QB except Browns rookie DeShone Kizer entering the day

Like I said, Hundley can't get any worse.

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Ryan Wood‏ @ByRyanWood
Since Brett Hundley took over as #Packers starting QB, he is 95-157 (60.5 percent) for 940 yards, 2 TDs, 7 INTs and a 63.1 passer rating. If he qualified, that rating would have ranked behind every QB except Browns rookie DeShone Kizer entering the day

Like I said, Hundley can't get any worse.

Are you kidding me? He can be much worse. Bill started a kid who threw 5 picks and THEN was benched.

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Maybe the news guys are learning. Good quotes in the actual column, not Twitter or !%&$*! video.

Pete Dougherty: http://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/dougherty/2017/11/19/dougherty-mike-mccarthy-fails-provide-help-brett-hundley/873472001/


“I wasn’t going to come in here and line up and try to bang the football with, frankly, one halfback that I believed in, and that’s just where Mays is right now,“ McCarthy said. “That’s more on the play caller.”

[Teamcheez1]

Are you kidding me? He can be much worse. Bill started a kid who threw 5 picks and THEN was benched.

So if you think Hundley can be much worse, you are actually paying him a compliment for his play so far?

[Maxie the Taxi]

Isn't it a little unusual for Stubby to throw players under the bus? Can't win with Callahan? No trust in Mays?

[esoxx]

Are you kidding me? He can be much worse. Bills started a kid who threw 5 picks and THEN was benched.

This is a good point, and perhaps a rallying cry for the rest of the season.

#atleasthesnotNathanPeterman

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Isn't it a little unusual for Stubby to throw players under the bus? Can't win with Callahan? No trust in Mays?

he's switching to self preservation mode

its the players, not me

[Maxie the Taxi]

he's switching to self preservation mode

its the players, not meGood point.

[esoxx]

he's switching to self preservation mode

its the players, not me

Not a good look.

[Teamcheez1]

You give Stubby too much credit. It's more like the band played on while the Titanic is sinking.

[Guiness]

Are you kidding me? He can be much worse. Bill started a kid who threw 5 picks and THEN was benched.

Watched that game, and it was a mercy benching for sure! He actually looked good to start, I commented on it in another thread. He completed two passes, then his third one bounced off the receiver's hands straight up in the air - someone playing center field hauled it in. Second INT was a fluke as well, but the third one was his fault, he threw the ball up to avoid a sack. #4 & 5, no idea!

[bobblehead]

D
A person related to me by biology wants to chime in that the Packers have no hope with Aaron Rodgers out. This person is not teamcheez1. This person MAY be a developing teenage cynic.

You are related to Wist Jr.?

[bobblehead]

Tom Silverstein @TomSilverstein
McCarthy says he did not consider playing QB Joe Callahan vs. #Ravens. Said he was still trying to win the game.

Jersey Al - GBP‏
@JerseyAlGBP
Any thoughts to switching quarterbacks? MM: No.

Michael Cohen @Michael_Cohen13
#Packers coach Mike McCarthy: "You know, with Jamaal Williams, I was concerned as far as his number of touches. I had a number in mind. Devante Mays, I also had a number in mind for him. And after the fumble, I lost confidence in him."

I UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF HOLDING ON TO THE FOOTBALL AND SENDING A MESSAGE, BUT WHY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE NUMBER OF CARRIES THEN?

Does he have a number of interceptions and missed reads before he loses confidence in Hudley?

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Isn't it a little unusual for Stubby to throw players under the bus? Can't win with Callahan? No trust in Mays?


he's switching to self preservation mode

its the players, not me

He has always called out turnovers. That is not new and in context he said it was probably a mistake by the play caller to go away from using 2 backs including Mays.

And yes, I think he used the third person which might be the most alarming thing.

[call_me_ishmael]

What is MM supposed to do? If you don't have the horses, you don't have the horses. The reality is this team doesn't have a lot of talent. That's what happens when you're good for 25 straight years. You need to draft really well and I would say the Packers have fallen short here. I would not be at all upset to see my guy John Dorsey brought in this off-season to take over for TT.

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So if you think Hundley can be much worse, you are actually paying him a compliment for his play so far?

I give Hundley credit for not being that bad. I also think he has demonstrated some legitimate talent and traits but is far too inconsistent. In the first two drives he looked better and more effective, but got WAY too careless.

He tried to do too much ARod and M3 is letting him run the extended offense too much. He doesn't throw the ball as well on the move and from awkward angles. It took Rodgers years to learn that stuff.

And something is off with the deep ball. He keeps short arming them.

So I still give the kid and the coach and the GM the benefit of the doubt that they see something legit here. But he needs time. And the best time is now since Rodgers isn't playing anyway.

Callahan isn't going to play better. And bringing in Kaepernick now just resets the Hundley offense migration clock.

Sink or swim with the kid you believed in and stop putting him in 3rd and long with the extended offense.

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You are related to Wist Jr.?

I don't think so. But perhaps a parallel development track.

[mraynrand]

This is a good point, and perhaps a rallying cry for the rest of the season.

#atleasthesnotNathanPeterman

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[hoosier]

What is bugging me right now is the obvious comparison with New England last year when they started the season without Brady. First they lit it up with Garoppolo and then, when he went down, they plugged in a guy off the street (Brissett) who also managed to play at a respectable level. New England practically ddin't miss a beat with Brady out whereas the Packers going flying off the track and burst into a gigantic fireball when Rodgers goes down.

Is the talent level surrounding Brady that much higher than what GB has right now? Is Bellichick somehow able to prepare his anonymous third string QB (who has since proven to be human, all too human in Indy) better than what McCarthy can do over the course of three training camps? Or has he somehow managed to design a system in which anyone (except possibly Brian Brohm) could succeed whereas McCarthy implements a system that precisely one person on the planet is capable of running? I'm inclined to believe that the talent level surrounding Rodgers must be really low, but then we see guys who were marginal starters in GB (Hayward, Hyde) go on the excel elsewhere. So: low talent level combined with coaching staff that is incapable of recognizing what they have? I am mystified.

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What is bugging me right now is the obvious comparison with New England last year when they started the season without Brady. First they lit it up with Garoppolo and then, when he went down, they plugged in a guy off the street (Brissett) who also managed to play at a respectable level. New England practically ddin't miss a beat with Brady out whereas the Packers going flying off the track and burst into a gigantic fireball when Rodgers goes down.

Is the talent level surrounding Brady that much higher than what GB has right now? Is Bellichick somehow able to prepare his anonymous third string QB (who has since proven to be human, all too human in Indy) better than what McCarthy can do over the course of three training camps? Or has he somehow managed to design a system in which anyone (except possibly Brian Brohm) could succeed whereas McCarthy implements a system that precisely one person on the planet is capable of running? I'm inclined to believe that the talent level surrounding Rodgers must be really low, but then we see guys who were marginal starters in GB (Hayward, Hyde) go on the excel elsewhere. So: low talent level combined with coaching staff that is incapable of recognizing what they have? I am mystified.

How the players are used is almost everything. Hayward was exceptional in zone and he is being used to his strengths in SD. He also got to face two interception machines yesterday.

McCarthy does not have a system that is easy to operate out of the box. It requires time to customize and he tinkers with it weekly. Just look at what he did to Hundley after the relative Chicago success. He pulled the run run pass offense in favor of pass run pass. And that got worse after Mays fumble.

Sometimes McCarthy forgets about the player and only thinks in terms of strategy or tactics. He has not adjusted to Hundley while Hundley is still adjusting to him. Quick change of scheme isn't a feature of this offense.

[Maxie the Taxi]

What is bugging me right now is the obvious comparison with New England last year when they started the season without Brady. First they lit it up with Garoppolo and then, when he went down, they plugged in a guy off the street (Brissett) who also managed to play at a respectable level. New England practically ddin't miss a beat with Brady out whereas the Packers going flying off the track and burst into a gigantic fireball when Rodgers goes down.

Is the talent level surrounding Brady that much higher than what GB has right now? Is Bellichick somehow able to prepare his anonymous third string QB (who has since proven to be human, all too human in Indy) better than what McCarthy can do over the course of three training camps? Or has he somehow managed to design a system in which anyone (except possibly Brian Brohm) could succeed whereas McCarthy implements a system that precisely one person on the planet is capable of running? I'm inclined to believe that the talent level surrounding Rodgers must be really low, but then we see guys who were marginal starters in GB (Hayward, Hyde) go on the excel elsewhere. So: low talent level combined with coaching staff that is incapable of recognizing what they have? I am mystified.+1

Been wondering about that myself. I chalk it up to system. BellyCheck's system seems to be geared to plugging in new parts (he's usually quite active in FA market) AND to adjusting on the fly (he's not so locked into a certain way of doing things). Stubby's system and to a large extent Dom's system seems extremely complex, meaning it takes quite a bit of time to get new guys up to speed, AND Stubby seems locked into his system to the extent change seems difficult.

But then I'm on the outside looking in. I really am pretty much mystified as well.

[Cheesehead Craig]

What is bugging me right now is the obvious comparison with New England last year when they started the season without Brady. First they lit it up with Garoppolo and then, when he went down, they plugged in a guy off the street (Brissett) who also managed to play at a respectable level. New England practically ddin't miss a beat with Brady out whereas the Packers going flying off the track and burst into a gigantic fireball when Rodgers goes down.

Is the talent level surrounding Brady that much higher than what GB has right now? Is Bellichick somehow able to prepare his anonymous third string QB (who has since proven to be human, all too human in Indy) better than what McCarthy can do over the course of three training camps? Or has he somehow managed to design a system in which anyone (except possibly Brian Brohm) could succeed whereas McCarthy implements a system that precisely one person on the planet is capable of running? I'm inclined to believe that the talent level surrounding Rodgers must be really low, but then we see guys who were marginal starters in GB (Hayward, Hyde) go on the excel elsewhere. So: low talent level combined with coaching staff that is incapable of recognizing what they have? I am mystified.

I am amazed at how watching most other teams, that there is a scheme in place to get players open in the passing game. I don't see that with MM. I think he has morphed into Rodgers being so good at making that perfect pass or extending plays to where it turns into schoolyard football that he is elite at. When was the last time a WR or TE runs wide open for the Pack on offense? Compare that to how often that occurs against the Pack defense. Watch NO, MN, Philly or any decent offense and multiple times a game you'll see players that are decidedly open for easy gains. With Rodgers enabling MM with his brilliance, MM has ceased scheming as hard as he could be.

[hoosier]

Those are all smart, thoughtful responses to my declaration of mystification. Probably superior to my response, which has the virtue of being quite simple: We Suck.

[mraynrand]

I think perhaps the Packers whole team concept is obviously too dependent on Rodgers much like the Colts with Manning. You know you can put up a lot of points and force other teams to play catch-up or at least try to match your big play offense so you design a defense to minimize big plays and be opportunistic with turn overs. You always finish in the top 5 or so so you essentially don’t have a first round pick every year, so the team at best becomes a collection of pretty good guys. No beasts anywhere. No real game changers except Rodgers. So when he’s out it all goes down.

It’s fine to compare to NE but that’s arguably the best coach and organization in the history of the NFL so it’s not exactly going to give you a balanced prerspective.

[Pugger]

What is MM supposed to do? If you don't have the horses, you don't have the horses. The reality is this team doesn't have a lot of talent. That's what happens when you're good for 25 straight years. You need to draft really well and I would say the Packers have fallen short here. I would not be at all upset to see my guy John Dorsey brought in this off-season to take over for TT.

I don't know if this team is lacking talent. If we had even average QB play yesterday we win that game.

Why is Dorsey still umemployed?

[Pugger]

I am amazed at how watching most other teams, that there is a scheme in place to get players open in the passing game. I don't see that with MM. I think he has morphed into Rodgers being so good at making that perfect pass or extending plays to where it turns into schoolyard football that he is elite at. When was the last time a WR or TE runs wide open for the Pack on offense? Compare that to how often that occurs against the Pack defense. Watch NO, MN, Philly or any decent offense and multiple times a game you'll see players that are decidedly open for easy gains. With Rodgers enabling MM with his brilliance, MM has ceased scheming as hard as he could be.

Go to YouTube and watch highlights of #12. Not all of the time does it turn into schoolyard football. His receivers get open and come back to him when he has to move out of the pocket. Often when AR runs around back there it is because of the pass rush.

[Pugger]

I think perhaps the Packers whole team concept is obviously too dependent on Rodgers much like the Colts with Manning. You know you can put up a lot of points and force other teams to play catch-up or at least try to match your big play offense so you design a defense to minimize big plays and be opportunistic with turn overs. You always finish in the top 5 or so so you essentially don’t have a first round pick every year, so the team at best becomes a collection of pretty good guys. No beasts anywhere. No real game changers except Rodgers. So when he’s out it all goes down.

It’s fine to compare to NE but that’s arguably the best coach and organization in the history of the NFL so it’s not exactly going to give you a balanced prerspective.

Was it is a mortal sin of Ted and Mike to contruct the team around Rodgers' considerable skills like Indy did?

I'm borrowing a post from another forum who says it like I believe but better than I can.

The other thing that needs to stop being said is "you can't build a team/scheme around Aaron Rodgers." Yes you can, and should. The purpose of this roster/scheme should be to maximize Aaron and his gifts when he's on the field. The OL should be built to pass pro over rub block, the WRs and TEs should be tailored to what Aaron wants. Anything and everything to maximize his ability out on the field. When you have a generational talent, you build your roster for him on the field, yes he can be lost to injury like right now, but you're talking one year out of many our offense isn't firing on all cylinders, instead of every year.

[MadScientist]

“Brett Hundley’s our starter. I believe in Brett Hundley,” McCarthy said in his postgame press conference.

McCarthy said that Hundley “will definitely improve from this” and promised that he’d remain the starter against the Steelers next week.

(Can't play much worse)

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[denverYooper]

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Hey Peter man! Check out channel 9!

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Kenny Clark's XRays were negative, possibly because it was cloudy in Paris. http://www2.lbl.gov/abc/wallchart/chapters/03/4.html

With or without his ankle, Clark has a chance to play this week.

[denverYooper]

That's a spot of good news. He's one of my favorite young players.

[denverYooper]

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[Joemailman]

Kenny Clark's XRays were negative, possibly because it was cloudy in Paris. http://www2.lbl.gov/abc/wallchart/chapters/03/4.html

With or without his ankle, Clark has a chance to play this week.

I'm sure Doc McKenzie has already cleared him.

[denverYooper]

I'm sure Doc McKenzie has already cleared him.

Old "Rub some dirt on it and get back out there" McKenzie they call him. A real throwback.

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Ian Rapoport @RapSheet

#Packers DL Kenny Clark suffered a high-ankle sprain on Sunday, source said. He’s going to miss some time, but it does not appear to be a serious injury. Should be back this season.

High ankle sprain is code for 4 weeks typically.

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Ian Rapoport @RapSheet

#Packers DL Kenny Clark suffered a high-ankle sprain on Sunday, source said. He’s going to miss some time, but it does not appear to be a serious injury. Should be back this season.

High ankle sprain is code for 4 weeks typically.

not in green bay, they usually linger

[Pugger]

If Clark has a high ankle sprain I'd sit him for a couple of weeks. Let him heal. We don't want this to be a long term issue for him going forward.

[mraynrand]

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way to go, Fucco!

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[bobblehead]

It’s fine to compare to NE but that’s arguably the best coach and organization in the history of the NFL so it’s not exactly going to give you a balanced prerspective.

But thats the bar we set for our coach and organization....is that so wrong :P