Obligatory Packers v Steelers Gameday Thread

[red]

Who is our last WR to just consistently get open and beat a guy off the snap like Brown..............Greg Jennings ?

yup, and most on here couldn't wait to get rid of him because "every WR TT drafts turned to gold"

[ThunderDan]

Canada Update:

Brad Biggs @BradBiggs\
Toronto Argonauts, led by former #Bears coach Marc Trestman, just defeated the Calgary Stampeders 27-24 to capture the 105th Grey Cup.
I remember a certain poster who promised the Bears would be contenders once Trestman was hired.

[Guiness]

Line seems to be run blocking quite well and Williams is a different back than he was early in the season.

[pbmax]

That kid can run between the tackles.

[ThunderDan]

That s what we should have run in the first half instead of Cobb.

[pbmax]

Spriggs late off ball on second down and his guy helped with stop.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Loving the Williams show

[Guiness]

Oh look! He rolled out right! *smh*

[ZachMN]

My experience with watching this team is game after game the defense just looks like the German pincer movement and the middle is wide open just like the play Big Ben just torched us. I like the wheels on our rb.

[ThunderDan]

That’s fine. Rather have the right play called.

[pbmax]

I remember a certain poster who promised the Bears would be contenders once Trestman was hired.

I actually think he can coach offense, but may not be an NFL head coach without some more help than the Bears had.

[red]

so, was fat mike still yelling things into bretts helmet with 1 second left on the clock?

get you fucking shit in

[Cheesehead Craig]

Run that play again!

[beveaux1]

Adams!

[ThunderDan]

3 TD throws for Hundley.

[pbmax]

FUCK AND YES!!!

3rd and short bomb!

[red]

another blown coverage

same play as last time, just to the other side?

nope, good move

[ThunderDan]

so, was fat mike still yelling things into bretts helmet with 1 second left on the clock?

get you fucking shit in

Mike cuts off with either 5 or 10 seconds left on the play clock. Don’t believe everything you hear on tv.

[pbmax]

And that throw was a bit short armed too. If it was on a line, it was a straight ahead TD, no weaving needed.

[Guiness]

Great moves by Adams with the ball

[Harlan Huckleby]

1 timeout left this early in half is a problem.

but yeah!

[channtheman]

This is a weird game. Keep hopes down so we don't blow it.

[Bossman641]

Damn that was just beautiful execution

[ZachMN]

And that throw was a bit short armed too. If it was on a line, it was a straight ahead TD, no weaving needed.

Agreed. Hundley is gaining confidence now.

[ThunderDan]

That’s fine. Rather have the right play called.

Boom, touchdown. Great use of an early timeout MM.

[Tony Oday]

Still going to lose by 21

[Harlan Huckleby]

3 TD throws for Hundley.

I think only 2 or 3 incomplete passes. Montana-esque.

[pbmax]

My experience with watching this team is game after game the defense just looks like the German pincer movement and the middle is wide open just like the play Big Ben just torched us. I like the wheels on our rb.

Wait, I really need to reference for the German pincer movement failing.

Middle is open, Capers and LeBeau are trying to stop big plays deep and on edges. Want you to throw shorter to middle where defense can gang tackle.

Obviously, its been much worse than intended for about, oh, 5 years or so.

[TravisWilliams23]

Can't believe that stat Michaels and Collinsworth brought up about the pass td's Pitts have allowed have been for over 34 yards on average but I'm seeing it tonight by a backup QB.

[ThunderDan]

1 timeout left this early in half is a problem.

but yeah!

Huh, first timeout of the 2nd half.

[pbmax]

I kinda hope that Tomln has Todd Haley just run run run.

Might live to regret it, but I would rather defend that.

[pbmax]

Bell is ridiculously strong.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Burnett bent but didn't break on that run.

[Rutnstrut]

Why does this defense almost never get a stop on 3rd down?

[ThunderDan]

Holding Pitt.

[pbmax]

Brooks with great edge.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Huh, first timeout of the 2nd half.

You're right. Collinsworth said it was their second TO, called.

[beveaux1]

Martinez!

[red]

huh, this is weird

[pbmax]

HELLO TURNOVER!

[ThunderDan]

Yeah babe, ponch will the int.

[pbmax]

Brooks and Fackrell being competent tonight is helping a LOT.

[pbmax]

I swear this is the 2004 Packers Steelers game.

[Cheesehead Craig]

huh, this is weird

No shit

[Harlan Huckleby]

2 downs to make 1 yard

[Guiness]

How many touches is that for Williams???

[Rutnstrut]

Look at that. you don't get cutsey on 3rd down and it works.

[beveaux1]

Williams runs hard. I like him.

[pbmax]

Bach should get credit for half that yardage.

[Harlan Huckleby]

This is like Pitt-Miami

[Cheesehead Craig]

Martinez is on that Nick Collins-type development

[ThunderDan]

Need to throw that to Kendrick’s even if incomplete.

[beveaux1]

Keep running the ball.

[pbmax]

Good choice.

[Harlan Huckleby]

punt!

[ThunderDan]

Two sacks takes us out of fog range.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Waste of a pick

[pbmax]

Ball needed to come out. They sent pressure.

Bad snap.

[Harlan Huckleby]

grumble

[beveaux1]

What was McCarthy thinking?

[Teamcheez1]

Really poor play by Hundley on this drive. Reverting to old habits.

Stupid to go for the FG MM, you f ing moron,..

[ThunderDan]

Two sacks takes us out of fog range.

Needed to punt there.

[Guiness]

How many touches is that for Williams???

19. Seemed like more.

aw damn Crosby...

[Rutnstrut]

What the hell was that. Looked like he tried to pooch it on a FG.

[TravisWilliams23]

Bad decision. Should have punted.

[pbmax]

Ball needed to come out. They sent pressure.

Bad snap.

Not so much as blocked.

[KalamazooPackerFan]

Really poor play by Hundley on this drive. Reverting to old habits.

Stupid to go for the FG MM, you f ing moron,..

This.

[Harlan Huckleby]

How often is Crosby gonna nail a 57, 58 yarder? 25%?

[beveaux1]

Hard place to kick. Bad decision.

[beveaux1]

Could have pinned them inside the 10.

[mraynrand]

Really poor play by Hundley on this drive. Reverting to old habits.

Stupid to go for the FG MM, you f ing moron,..

you're wrong on this. There was zero blocking on 3rd down. Back and Evans both matador.

(right on FG)

[TravisWilliams23]

Just gave the field position right back to Pitt.

[Rutnstrut]

Hard place to kick. Bad decision.

Bad decisions are the stubby specialty.

[woodbuck27]

punt!

hahahahaha.....sure MM is the HC.

[woodbuck27]

MM is such a fricken Dufus.

[ThunderDan]

Biegel with the tackle.

[wist43]

How embarrassing for the steelers...

They're making the pack look like an NFL team.

Still expect steelers
Will win going away, but they have to be embarrassed that the Packers are still in the game midway thru the 3rd

[mraynrand]

hahahahaha.....sure MM is the HC.

and like clockwork the idiot appears

[pbmax]

Martinez how do you miss his legs?

[Harlan Huckleby]

MM is such a fricken Dufus.

He's been ultra conservative tonight. Except when he takes a risk it is a foolish one.

I should be coach.

[ZachMN]

Wait, I really need to reference for the German pincer movement failing.

Middle is open, Capers and LeBeau are trying to stop big plays deep and on edges. Want you to throw shorter to middle where defense can gang tackle.

Obviously, its been much worse than intended for about, oh, 5 years or so.

My point is that we don't have/know how to scout/draft decent defensive linemen who can generate some pass rush or flush the qb into sacks and as I type this Big ben just ran for another first down as our entire d line is pushing wide and behind the qb again............

[pbmax]

and like clockwork the idiot appears

Its amazing how the twins show up on certain plays.

[ThunderDan]

God, Bell is great at changing directions.

[pbmax]

My point is that we don't have/know how to scout/draft decent defensive linemen who can generate some pass rush or flush the qb into sacks and as I type this Big ben just ran for another first down as our entire d line is pushing wide and behind the qb again............

Pass rush has been a need for years. Was alleviated for the most part by Peppers but not quite enough. I agree.

[red]

this might be hahas worst game yet

he's really taken a piss after making the pro bowl last year

[Harlan Huckleby]

and like clockwork the idiot appears


Why don't you go permanently fuck yourself somewhere. You are a 24x7 jerk. You troll people who want no part of your constant nastiness. You must be a miserable SOB.

[mraynrand]

HHCD getting schooled

[wist43]

Now the tour will be on...

[mraynrand]

Why don't you go permanently fuck yourself somewhere. You are a 24x7 jerk. You troll people who want no part of your constant nastiness. You must be a miserable SOB.

same to you fuckface

[Cheesehead Craig]

King had no chance

[red]

what a throw

king had no chance

[pbmax]

I think House could have tipped that ball but went for tackle.

then gets PI

[woodbuck27]

He's been ultra conservative tonight. Except when he takes a risk it is a foolish one.

I should be coach.

Nice work for Pittsburgh MM.

Was the fix in !?

The game's now tied 21 ALL.

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[Tony Oday]

Bahahahahhahahahaha Randall best cover guy....hahahhahahaba

[red]

if rndall is our best cover corner, then i quit

[Rutnstrut]

Why is ankle biter out?

[wist43]

There's the terrible defense we've come to expect, lol...

[mraynrand]

Nice work for Pittsburgh MM.

Was the fix in !?

just shut up

[JohnMexico]

Did MM really just lose this game by him-fucking-self?!?!

[mraynrand]

Did MM really just lose this game by him-fucking-self?!?!

clockwork

[Harlan Huckleby]

Did MM really just lose this game by him-fucking-self?!?!

sort of.

[Rutnstrut]

just shut up

Why? He's spot on. Stubby is a fucking idiot.

[pbmax]

if rndall is our best cover corner, then i quit

House has been worked at times. King is a rookie and Hawkins plays a bit part.

Randall might be it. He is at least the likeliest to make a play, followed by King with a PD.

[mraynrand]

Why? He's spot on. Stubby is a fucking idiot.

so you think Stubby is throwing the game on purpose? That the game is fixed? Is that what you're saying? Because that's what Woodcock said.

[ThunderDan]

Did MM really just lose this game by him-fucking-self?!?!

Did MM have us up all by himself in the 3rd quarter?

[mraynrand]

Why? He's spot on. Stubby is a fucking idiot.

was he an idiot in getting the 21 points in the first place. You negative posters show up like bad trolls.

[Harlan Huckleby]

MM taking a beating

[Rutnstrut]

so you think Stubby is throwing the game on purpose? That the game is fixed? Is that what you're saying? Because that's what Woodcock said.

No he was saying in predictable stubby fashion he makes a stupid decision at a crucial moment in the game.

[JohnMexico]

Hes not throwing the game, hes just a piece of fucking shit.


that sequence was fucking garbage

[Harlan Huckleby]

Hundley cracking up after perfect 3 quarters

[mraynrand]

No he was saying in predictable stubby fashion he makes a stupid decision at a crucial moment in the game.

read it again

[wist43]

Why? He's spot on. Stubby is a fucking idiot.

Nobody is in dunderdummy's league...

Pittsburgh will score on every remaining possession.

[Teamcheez1]

The playcalling is getting dumber, along with Hundley.

[pbmax]

Taylor got worked on first down.

[mraynrand]

Hes not throwing the game, hes just a piece of fucking shit.

deep

[Cheesehead Craig]

Pitts defense just showed up these last 2 series.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Callahan! Callahan!

Little Joe!

[Rutnstrut]

So again in stubby fashion abandon the run which was working quite well.

[Teamcheez1]

Hundley is incapable of avoiding sacks.

[pbmax]

Hundley has brought his eyes down to the pass rush now.

Need that screen game to work again.

[woodbuck27]

The playcalling is getting dumber, along with Hundley.

I cannot understand Why !?

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[mraynrand]

Pitts defense just showed up these last 2 series.

Did Bach get the memo that Hundley was going to start stepping up in the pocket?

[pbmax]

So again in stubby fashion abandon the run which was working quite well.

How'd that first down run go? Second and long as I remember.

you can't keep doing the same thing. Sometimes you need to make a play.

[Bretsky]

I didn't see ANY posts noting we need to punt "before" the FG and it's so easy to pile on MM "after" everybody saw it didn't work.

Two sacks in a row; terrible by our QB

And can TJ Watt really cover Jordy Nelson....what the heck ?????

[ThunderDan]

So again in stubby fashion abandon the run which was working quite well.

We ran on first down.

[denverYooper]

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Career earnings through 2017:
Ben Roethlisberger: $170M
Week 12 #Packers Starting Defense: $173M

[Bossman641]

Momentum completely turned. Defense needs to make a play.

[woodbuck27]

I brought refreshments for those that drink this stuff:

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[Harlan Huckleby]

I didn't see ANY posts noting we need to punt "before" the FG and it's so easy to pile on MM "after" everybody saw it didn't work.

I posted before. Even invested an exclamation point.

[mraynrand]

I didn't see ANY posts noting we need to punt "before" the FG and it's so easy to pile on MM "after" everybody saw it didn't work.

Two sacks in a row; terrible by our QB

And can TJ Watt really cover Jordy Nelson....what the heck ?????

Nelson had his hands on the ball. I think he though he should have caught it. The O line didn't help Hundley on that series.

[Rutnstrut]

How'd that first down run go? Second and long as I remember.

you can't keep doing the same thing. Sometimes you need to make a play.

I missed the first down play. I could have swore I heard from the other room that it was an incomplete pass. So my bad. He will still panic and start trying to throw the ball all over like he would with Rodgers.

[Harlan Huckleby]

we'll get 'um next year

[Cheesehead Craig]

Going to get a lot of Bell

[denverYooper]

I didn't see ANY posts noting we need to punt "before" the FG and it's so easy to pile on MM "after" everybody saw it didn't work.

Two sacks in a row; terrible by our QB

And can TJ Watt really cover Jordy Nelson....what the heck ?????

Nelson should have caught that. The ball was on his hands.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Just no penetration by the DL.

[Teamcheez1]

I didn't see ANY posts noting we need to punt "before" the FG and it's so easy to pile on MM "after" everybody saw it didn't work.

Two sacks in a row; terrible by our QB

And can TJ Watt really cover Jordy Nelson....what the heck ?????

How many 58 yd FG's have been made in Heinz Field? Too astonished to post quickly enough on the stupidity of MM.

[pbmax]

I don't know why Steelers threw a FB out there. Running was working versus Packers nickel.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Hell yeah!

[Harlan Huckleby]

thank you, jesus

[beveaux1]

Another turnover?

[red]

yup, randall is gonna miss the rest of the game because of cramps

[pbmax]

TO!!!!

[ThunderDan]

Ponch all over the ball on D.

[Bossman641]

Momentum completely turned. Defense needs to make a play.
There we go

[mraynrand]

Stubby gets a turnover! All his doing.

[KalamazooPackerFan]

Momentum completely turned. Defense needs to make a play.

Good call. :)

[beveaux1]

Martinez is our defensive MVP.

[ThunderDan]

Nobody is in dunderdummy's league...

Pittsburgh will score on every remaining possession.

Yup, that is wrong in 2 minutes.

[Harlan Huckleby]

yup, randall is gonna miss the rest of the game because of cramps

don't say it. you're better than that. well, no, but still.

[pbmax]

Ball was loose before he was on the ground Should stand.

[Rutnstrut]

yup, randall is gonna miss the rest of the game because of cramps

Well someone has to take Clays place and miss time due to menstrual cramping.

[mraynrand]

How many 58 yd FG's have been made in Heinz Field? Too astonished to post quickly enough on the stupidity of MM.

terrible choice, I agree.

[Rutnstrut]

don't say it. you're better than that. well, no, but still.

I said so he didn't have to;)

[Bretsky]

Nobody is in dunderdummy's league...

Pittsburgh will score on every remaining possession.

They will score on very possession and if they do it's Dom's fault an if they don' it's just dum luck. Heck they must already have 49 points given his defense never gets stops or turnovers

[pbmax]

YEAH!!!

[denverYooper]

I don't know why Steelers threw a FB out there. Running was working versus Packers nickel.

I wonder if there is a vocal subgroup on the Steelers' fan forums criticizing every failed play as though it were an absolute measure of the coach's ability and intelligence.

[Harlan Huckleby]

nice touch

[Bretsky]

How many 58 yd FG's have been made in Heinz Field? Too astonished to post quickly enough on the stupidity of MM.


Nobody in here most likely knew that answer until the announcers just stated that

[pbmax]

Nice play but you gotta get the ball there.

[beveaux1]

Hundley looks shook up.

[Harlan Huckleby]

god hundley is bad

[pbmax]

I wonder if there is a vocal subgroup on the Steelers' fan forums criticizing every failed play as though it were an absolute measure of the coach's ability and intelligence.

Yes there is. Name is wist too, kinda weird.

[beveaux1]

Can't put the ball in Hundley's hands.

[Teamcheez1]

Adams was wide open on 2nd down.

Hundley is going down the toilet. What garbage.

[pbmax]

Good throw to Dick Rod, great defense.

[Rutnstrut]

god hundley is bad

But he has 3 years in this system...

[Harlan Huckleby]

3 lousy passes
3 lousy passes
see how he throw
see how he throw

[pbmax]

Gotta find some runs to make this work.

[mraynrand]

nice play by Shazier and no one open on 2nd and 3rd.

[pbmax]

Hold on Jones on punt team left.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Good throw to Dick Rod, great defense.

Dick was covered, it would have taken a perfect throw, I'll give ya that much. Bad decision.

[mraynrand]

Hundley is rattled. Need another outlet, but the line won't allow a fourth receiver. Can they leak out Williams?

[Harlan Huckleby]

Gotta find some runs to make this work.

ya, that's what worked first half

[Teamcheez1]

This team is teasing me tonight. Fully expect them to lose the game, but it is coming down to poor play by Hundley and coaching by MM.

[mraynrand]

Dick was covered, it would have taken a perfect throw, I'll give ya that much. Bad decision.

There was no one else open and it was a quick play. Also think pass rush is playing a big part.

[beveaux1]

Pittsburgh lost 5 yards on that gamble.

[mraynrand]

This team is teasing me tonight. Fully expect them to lose the game, but it is coming down to poor play by Hundley and coaching by MM.

The O line hasn't helped two series.

[woodbuck27]

Martinez is our defensive MVP.

Easily the most consistent player on 'D'.

[KalamazooPackerFan]

Our team is so undisciplined it's ridiculous. I'm not a fire everybody kind of guy but the mental mistakes across all three phases of the game require a change in leadership, not new quality control assistants,

[ThunderDan]

3 lousy passes
3 lousy passes
see how he throw
see how he throw

3 touchdown passes also.

Hundley sure seems to be panicking. Had a good pocket to throw on 3rd down.

[Rutnstrut]

ya, that's what worked first half

Can't do that now, stubby wants to win by passing and attempting unmakeable FG's.

[woodbuck27]

Well the Packers actually have a chance.

A win here is huge.

[beveaux1]

This team is teasing me tonight. Fully expect them to lose the game, but it is coming down to poor play by Hundley and coaching by MM.

Defense has played pretty well. Offense has been Williams and 3 big plays. Do we have another one in us?

[pbmax]

Dick was covered, it would have taken a perfect throw, I'll give ya that much. Bad decision.

He had to dive perfectly to get one mitt on it. Read was fine. Maybe delivery was a touch late.

[pbmax]

Hundley is rattled. Need another outlet, but the line won't allow a fourth receiver. Can they leak out Williams?

They just gotta pound it at Hayward or throw a TE to him on a counter.

[Harlan Huckleby]

3 touchdown passes also.

Hundley sure seems to be panicking. Had a good pocket to throw on 3rd down.

Right, he had a QB rating of about 150 till near end of 3rd. And then...

[pbmax]

Pittsburgh lost 5 yards on that gamble.

Two great punts.

AND A COVERAGE SACK!

[ThunderDan]

Coverage sack.

[woodbuck27]

Daniels is having a solid game.

[Harlan Huckleby]

He had to dive perfectly to get one mitt on it. Read was fine. Maybe delivery was a touch late.

it was nearly picked

[Bossman641]

Lol at the same posters thinking we'd get smashed by probably 40+ now criticizing the coaching for us not being up instead.

[ThunderDan]

Right, he had a QB rating of about 150 till near end of 3rd. And then...

Apparently you didn’t rea$ the second sentence.

[pbmax]

Randall and King are both back.

[Cheesehead Craig]

C'mon defense!

[beveaux1]

Martinez can play.

[ThunderDan]

Martinez with a good run stop.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Apparently you didn’t rea$ the second sentence.

I wasn't arguing with you.

[ThunderDan]

Holding on that play not called.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Bell beating us on his own

[mraynrand]

Bell is all over the place. #biggestfear

[pbmax]

Our team is so undisciplined it's ridiculous. I'm not a fire everybody kind of guy but the mental mistakes across all three phases of the game require a change in leadership, not new quality control assistants,

GB has fewer penalties.

[ThunderDan]

Pouncey was bruttle on that play. Come on ref# throw the flag.

[Harlan Huckleby]

that was hell of a pass

[mraynrand]

HHCD taking himself out of the play

[Guiness]

and then the wheels fell off

[channtheman]

That's the game. Meltdown since the interception.

[Teamcheez1]

I'm tired of the camera panning to MM. That fat f**k has no clue.

[Bossman641]

I'm officially tired of davon house

[denverYooper]

Still time left.

[pbmax]

What was House reading and then what other book was Burnett reading?

[Harlan Huckleby]

Kinda looks like it was supposed to now.

But it's still a game.

[mraynrand]

I'm officially tired of davon house

chuck hard or don't chuck. How does it help to give a relatively clean release when the guy is your responsibility underneath?

[Tony Oday]

Haha awesome. We are going to get slapped on the next drive so hard Google won't be able to find us.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I predict OT.

[beveaux1]

and then the wheels fell off

I just don't trust Hundley. If we could run, run, pass for a couple of first downs, it might settle him down. Otherwise, it will take a miracle.

Although, I do believe we've outplayed expectations.

[mraynrand]

Still time left.

ya, but it has the feel of a pick six oncoming. Hundley is a bit pressed and the protection has been poor last few series. Now trailing, will he rise to challenge or wilt?

[pbmax]

Need a return and some field position Davis!

[denverYooper]

I'm tired of the camera panning to MM. That fat f**k has no clue.

Disagree. He's had his guys in it all night against a healthy 8-2 opponent coming off of long rest in a prime time game.

[pbmax]

Less juking, more one cut and he is fine.

[Teamcheez1]

GB is lucky to be in this game because of turnovers. We have not done a whole lot. 9 first downs and 9 pass completions.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Great read by Hundley!

[Harlan Huckleby]

Who is #82? A guy from practice squad?

[red]

wow, nice quick pass

theres a blast from the past

[mraynrand]

Oven mitts!

[pbmax]

3rd year player just read the defense like a fucking book.

[beveaux1]

Has Rodgers ever gained 25?

[ThunderDan]

Dick ARod not going down on first contact.

Good throw to Cobb.

[mraynrand]

Has Rodgers ever gained 25?

not intentionally

[Harlan Huckleby]

Don't score too soon.

[pbmax]

Overloaded OL

[pbmax]

Run AT Hayward he is killing Bach.

[mraynrand]

Don't score too soon.

ha ha

[ThunderDan]

Has Rodgers ever gained 25?

The Detroit miracle.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Wow! Just hitting those quick ones

[beveaux1]

Quick passes.

[Harlan Huckleby]

gotta be 4 down territory

[pbmax]

That empty backfield worked against zone. Nice.

[red]

another quick hitter

fat mike found that second page of the playbook

[pbmax]

There you go!!

[red]

another quick throw

where has this offense been the last few years?

[Harlan Huckleby]

no field goals!

[mraynrand]

another quick hitter

fat mike found that second page of the playbook

I thought that was a Perkins menu

[Harlan Huckleby]

whew

[Cheesehead Craig]

Great decision!

[beveaux1]

Smart play.

[pbmax]

Nelson saved that play with reach.

[red]

and another

[ThunderDan]

another quick hitter

fat mike found that second page of the playbook

Pack doing well MM lucky. Pack doing bad MM sucks.

Good play calls this drive.

[pbmax]

Play action ought to work at this point.

[red]

I thought that was a Perkins menu

a lot of the same names on the 2