Official Browns Week

[pbmax]

Lamarr Houston available. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/11/28/texans-releasing-veteran-lamarr-houston/

[Tony Oday]

If we lose against the Browns then Capers and MM shouldnt finish the season.

[mraynrand]

If we lose against the Browns then Capers and MM shouldnt finish the season.

That's the game Josh Gordon will return. The locals are smelling blood in the water. #firstwin. Remember '97COLTS!!!

[mraynrand]

The win-win with Josh Gordon is that he can sell pot cheap to the Packers.

[mraynrand]

We should probably play Tampa first.

[pbmax]

I was trying to get prepped for the second win in a row.

[denverYooper]

I was trying to get prepped for the second win in a row.

That's a bold strategy PB.

[Pugger]

If we lose against the Browns then Capers and MM shouldnt finish the season.

Who cares if we win these games? Even if we ran the table and got in as a WC we aren't winning the Superb Owl with this defense. I'd rather we lose out to improve our draft status, keep AR on the sidelines so he can fully heal, have Capers "retire" and come back with a vengence in 2018. This scenario would be more beneficial to the team in the long run than any futile playoff appearance this year.

[pbmax]

That's a bold strategy PB.

I will not be able to see very well.

[Rutnstrut]

What is the "Superb Owl"?

[Zool]

What is the "Superb Owl"?

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/1e/1e1562bb768de70341dcd2c27c9742570e7347543bae7f3232 d9f607fbdd8e68.jpg

[Pugger]

What is the "Superb Owl"?

Super Bowl. :-)

[Guiness]

Super Bowl. :-)

Too late, you can't unring that bell!

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/img/charles/2013/02/03/SuperbOwl.0000000000.jpg

[Rutnstrut]

Too late, you can't unring that bell!

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/img/charles/2013/02/03/SuperbOwl.0000000000.jpg

Awesome. The all knowing Superb Owl.

[channtheman]

Where's that thread about packerrats abbreviations/definitions? I think Superb Owl needs to be a new addition! :lol:

[bobblehead]

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/1e/1e1562bb768de70341dcd2c27c9742570e7347543bae7f3232 d9f607fbdd8e68.jpg


http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/img/charles/2013/02/03/SuperbOwl.0000000000.jpg


Nice Hooters!

[Joemailman]

Packers lead all-time series 12-7.

Last Meeting: October 20, 2013. Packers beat the Browns 31-13 at Lambeau. Aaron Rodgers outdueled Brandon Wheeden

Last meeting in Cleveland: October 25, 2009. Packers beat the Browns 31-3. Aaron Rodgers outdueled Derek Anderson.

[Joemailman]

Packers favored by 4. Over/under 41.

[Pugger]

Packers favored by 4. Over/under 41.

This could be the first time we are favored since #12 went down...?

[gbgary]

This could be the first time we are favored since #12 went down...?

i can't believe they're favored...really! the "Rodgers is coming back" hopes depend on a win here. if they lose there's no reason.

saw someone mention this cle game is a trap game. the Hundley Packers are so bad they should never be a trap game. if anything they are the trap game. lol

[QBME]

It's historically difficult to go 0-16 in the NFL. The Brownies have a couple of games that are interesting against inferior (same as they are) teams. They also play on Christmas Eve and New Years Eve. Something's going to give, I just hope it's not this week.

[Teamcheez1]

Anyone going to this game?

[mraynrand]

I'll be there whether I like it or not

[Joemailman]

Anyone going to this game?

This guy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRBDMMVctu8

[channtheman]

This guy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRBDMMVctu8

1. I know a Cleveland fan and the guy in the video is spot on. Except the guy I know doesn't even expect or want a win, he just wants an entertaining game where Cleveland scores some points.

2. That video is 6 years old and as relevant as ever. It takes effort to be that consistently bad.

[mraynrand]

Tony Grossi, local Browns beat guy: “That’s a great coach over there in Green Bay. They lose Rodgers and they find a way to win, even with a struggling QB. They take the ball out of his hands, rely on the running game and defense.”

[Fritz]

They find a way to win? They're 2- 5 since Rodgers got hurt.

Think about it. If they'd even managed to go 3-4, they'd be in the thick of the hunt for a wild card spot right now.

[mraynrand]

They find a way to win? They're 2- 5 since Rodgers got hurt.

Think about it. If they'd even managed to go 3-4, they'd be in the thick of the hunt for a wild card spot right now.

Well they did come close in Pittsburg.

Still the perspective from Cleveland is a lot different, especially with a team that is 4-45 in its last 49 games.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Rely on defense to win? Now there's a strategy for the rest of the year!

[George Cumby]

They find a way to win? They're 2- 5 since Rodgers got hurt.

Think about it. If they'd even managed to go 3-4, they'd be in the thick of the hunt for a wild card spot right now.

Man up, Nancy.

[denverYooper]

It's historically difficult to go 0-16 in the NFL. The Brownies have a couple of games that are interesting against inferior (same as they are) teams. They also play on Christmas Eve and New Years Eve. Something's going to give, I just hope it's not this week.

They still have to play the Bears.

[denverYooper]

I'll be there whether I like it or not

Did you get your grocery bag picked out?

[denverYooper]

Tony Grossi, local Browns beat guy: “That’s a great coach over there in Green Bay. They lose Rodgers and they find a way to win, even with a struggling QB. They take the ball out of his hands, rely on the running game and defense.”

Living in a market with a losing team is always a good way to keep perspective on the Packers.

[denverYooper]

Also, the Packers 5 losses without Rodgers (MIN, NO, DET, BAL, PIT) have included 4 playoff teams, 3 division leaders, and one perpetually almost-made-it-but-ran-out-of-gas Lions team.

[Maxie the Taxi]

http://sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/i/keep-calm-and-aspire-to-mediocrity.png

[Fritz]

Man up, Nancy.

Ah, that Ravens game pissed me off. The defense played well; well enough to win, certainly. Not that the Ravens' offense is anything to write home about. And by then, Hundley - after two years of watching and supposedly learning - ought to have been ready. He'd had the NO game and the Lions game. And he laid an egg.

I am disappointed; I thought he was going to be a better player than he is. By this past raining camp MM ought to have known what he had - or didn't have - in Hundley, and by that logic I would argue he ought to have snapped up Kaepernick back at the end of training camp. Kaepernick is not all-world, but he's better than Hundley.

[jklowan]

Ah, that Ravens game pissed me off. The defense played well; well enough to win, certainly. Not that the Ravens' offense is anything to write home about. And by then, Hundley - after two years of watching and supposedly learning - ought to have been ready. He'd had the NO game and the Lions game. And he laid an egg.

I am disappointed; I thought he was going to be a better player than he is. By this past raining camp MM ought to have known what he had - or didn't have - in Hundley, and by that logic I would argue he ought to have snapped up Kaepernick back at the end of training camp. Kaepernick is not all-world, but he's better than Hundley.

and they should have traded Hundley for the rumored second round pick when they had the chance, now we will get squat and he is worse that JAG

[mraynrand]

Did you get your grocery bag picked out?

It took some work to get a regulation sized, double-milled paper grocery bag, but I've got it. Two eye holes and mustache. Working on inscription.

"HOF Hundley"

"McCarthy=Stubby"

I dunno....

[pbmax]

12+4+15 ≠ 7

[pbmax]

Or just go ham: We're Gonna Beat You With The Backup

[run pMc]

This guy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRBDMMVctu8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Rz9FKh8ZjM
LOL this is a pretty good one too...not recent, but still applies. I hope the post-Rodgers years don't look like this for us.

[Rutnstrut]

I say the Packers will lose to the Browns if GB plays the way they did against TB. They need to be better on D, and for stubby not to abandon the run for long stretches. Run the fucking ball, then run it again and run it some more. No roll out shit with Hundley, and him passing as little as possible.

[ThunderDan]

I say the Packers will lose to the Browns if GB plays the way they did against TB. They need to be better on D, and for stubby not to abandon the run for long stretches. Run the fucking ball, then run it again and run it some more. No roll out shit with Hundley, and him passing as little as possible.

We ran 53 plays on Sunday. 29 were runs. You don’t run the ball over 50% of the time and abandon the run for long stretches.

[ThunderDan]

We ran 3 passes in a row on our first drive and 3 passes in a row in our first drive to start the 2nd half. That’s it for abandoning the run.

[pbmax]

We ran 3 passes in a row on our first drive and 3 passes in a row in our first drive to start the 2nd half. That’s it for abandoning the run.

I will admit to being pretty upset at those three passes in the second half.

[mraynrand]

Obviously they didn't abandon the run, but those calling for more runs will get 9 men in the box looks and fewer first downs. At some point, Hundley has to be NOMINAL! with basic throws. And even if he can't hit the broad side of a barn, they have to throw some passes just to let the defense know they can't go inverted nickel (replace a DB with a LB).

[pbmax]

OK, which poster is Facebook messaging with Jersey Al?

Jersey Al - GBP @JerseyAlGBP
FB PM to me: "My suggestions is go with the hook & ladder go with the old Power I formation power switch Vince Lombardi style pull out the old dusty Playbook set Brett down and show him & keep the media out of the locker room attention to NFL yard great players doing a good job"

[pbmax]

Ben Fennell‏ @BenFennell_NFL
Since Week 6 (Rodgers injury)...

#Packers are averaging 120.7 YPG rushing (9th in NFL), 4.69 YPC (5th in NFL) and have 8 rushing TDs (5th in NFL)
And their 5.35 YPC average on 1st down is 2nd in the NFL


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQWnsg6WkAAV_dn.jpg:large


NOT CLUTCH!

[mraynrand]

^^^ That FB post kinda sounds like woodblock, sans TT Stubby Capers hatred.

[denverYooper]

OK, which poster is Facebook messaging with Jersey Al?

Jersey Al - GBP @JerseyAlGBP
FB PM to me: "My suggestions is go with the hook & ladder go with the old Power I formation power switch Vince Lombardi style pull out the old dusty Playbook set Brett down and show him & keep the media out of the locker room attention to NFL yard great players doing a good job"

Someone built a chatbot using packerrats as the dialogue training corpus.

[mraynrand]

Someone built a chatbot using packerrats as the dialogue training corpus.

winning take

[pbmax]

winning take

I bet its the fifth word of every post in the last week.

[pbmax]

Injury list getting shorter but five DNPs.



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQZQDl7XcAIDIIU.jpg:large

[pbmax]

Welp,


Packer Report @PackerReport
Kevin King goes to IR. Demetri Goodson takes his place. Shoulder injury finally shuts down King.

[mraynrand]

Welp,


Packer Report @PackerReport
Kevin King goes to IR. Demetri Goodson takes his place. Shoulder injury finally shuts down King.

Packer people. Injury Prone!

[pbmax]

Also in news today, McCarthy specifically mentioned SPRIGGS™ progress in TB game.

SPRIGGS™ WATCH is less convinced.

[Teamcheez1]

I'm almost hoping we lose this game so maybe the playoff discussion will end.

I also believe it's the only way we will see any changes. Otherwise, things will be exactly the same next year.

[mraynrand]

I'm almost hoping we lose this game so maybe the playoff discussion will end.

I also believe it's the only way we will see any changes. Otherwise, things will be exactly the same next year.

Think about all the poor saps who are paying out $5-12 hard-earned dollars to maybe see the Packers win. Fans who can't make the journey to Green Bay this year, and have made up their grocery sacks with eyeholes and mustaches just in case. Packer fans who have to live next to Browns fans and always fly their Packer flag on game days....

[pbmax]

Grocery sacks from Kroger’s.

[mraynrand]

Grocery sacks from Kroger’s.

I'm an elitist when it comes to grocery sacks. I went with Heinen's.

[QBME]

I'm almost hoping we lose this game so maybe the playoff discussion will end.

I also believe it's the only way we will see any changes. Otherwise, things will be exactly the same next year.

Of course you do & of course you do:

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[pbmax]

https://youtu.be/L2Wx230gYJw

[QBME]

I'm almost hoping we lose this game so maybe the playoff discussion will end.

I also believe it's the only way we will see any changes. Otherwise, things will be exactly the same next year.

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[QBME]

I'm almost hoping we lose this game so maybe the playoff discussion will end.

I also believe it's the only way we will see any changes. Otherwise, things will be exactly the same next year.

http://youtu.be/L2Wx230gYJw

[QBME]

https://youtu.be/L2Wx230gYJw

Thank you. As is evident I still struggle with the new fandanglements.

[mraynrand]

Thank you. As is evident I still struggle with the new fandanglements.

Watch it, that'll get you kicked out of Congress

[Pugger]

Welp,


Packer Report @PackerReport
Kevin King goes to IR. Demetri Goodson takes his place. Shoulder injury finally shuts down King.

I wonder if this should have been done sooner or were they waiting for Goodson to return in his stead?

[pbmax]

Maybe, but Goodson now has a hammy and was rehabbing yesterday.

[Smidgeon]

Is the story different at the end of the year if the Pack loses to the Browns instead of beating them? Or is this game just another game?

Is this game pivotal because of how bad the Browns are?

[mraynrand]

Sachi Brown out, John Dorsey leading candidate for new Browns GM

[mraynrand]

Guys on local radio are bemoaning the idea that Brown's coach Hugh Jackson has been guaranteed another year by the owner. "Nobody has been successful unless they clean house and bring in all the new guys together" they tell me. Then in the next sentence "Dorsey is the guy who brought in Aaron Rodgers."

850 WKNR "The Really Big Show" or as I like to call it "The Really BS"

[pbmax]

Guys on local radio are bemoaning the idea that Brown's coach Hugh Jackson has been guaranteed another year by the owner. "Nobody has been successful unless they clean house and bring in all the new guys together" they tell me. Then in the next sentence "Dorsey is the guy who brought in Aaron Rodgers."

850 WKNR "The Really Big Show" or as I like to call it "The Really BS"

Yeah. I get hiring Dorsey. He was successful in GB and in KC.

But Hue Jackson has not demonstrated he knows what he is doing as a head coach.

The funny part will be when in three years everyone in Cleveland realizes the next QB draft pick was not All World and that Dorsey really did not make the call on Rodgers :D

[pbmax]

Packer Report‏
@PackerReport
No House, Goodson or Perry today. Players in pads, including Rodgers. Jake Ryan is back.

Perry has a shoulder. Goodson has a hammy. Didn't House hurt his leg/knee?

Ryan and Dial are practicing.

[denverYooper]

Is the story different at the end of the year if the Pack loses to the Browns instead of beating them? Or is this game just another game?

Is this game pivotal because of how bad the Browns are?

That's the picture the GBPG/JSO/autoplay goddamn videos on every article/Gannett site is painting. They're acting like it will prove out their other clickbait on how the Packers without Rodgers are no better than the Browns.

It's really only pivotal because the Packers' chances of still making the playoffs go from 5% to 8% if they win or to 1% if they lose. It does nothing to validate the thesis they've been trying to advance, though a loss would almost certainly result in a lot more garbage getting pumped out of the Gannett sewer.

[Joemailman]

Packer Report‏
@PackerReport
No House, Goodson or Perry today. Players in pads, including Rodgers. Jake Ryan is back.

Perry has a shoulder. Goodson has a hammy. Didn't House hurt his leg/knee?

Ryan and Dial are practicing.

So if House and Goodson can't go, it's Randall, Josh Hawkins and Lenzy Pipkins at CB? Maybe use Burnett at slot corner?

[mraynrand]

12+4+15 ≠ 7

15+4-12=7

[mraynrand]

Time for a little majik from #7

https://markdent.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/don-majkowski.jpg

[George Cumby]

I'm almost hoping we lose this game so maybe the playoff discussion will end.

I also believe it's the only way we will see any changes. Otherwise, things will be exactly the same next year.

Man up, Nancy.

[pbmax]

15+4-12=7

He does play like he is somewhere between 45 and 80 years of age.

[pbmax]

Man up, Nancy.

This should be every post in the game day thread Sunday. Along with Channtheman yelling at Hundley.

[woodbuck27]

Is the story different at the end of the year if the Pack loses to the Browns instead of beating them? Or is this game just another game?

Is this game pivotal because of how bad the Browns are?

Ohh my goodness.

The Green Bay Packers simply must defeat the Cleveland Browns on Sunday.

GO PACK GO !

[pbmax]

Brett Hundley is the next Marcus Mariota


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQdvuAlX0AATbKO.jpg:large

[wist43]

Brown's 30

Packers 24

[mraynrand]

The Kizer really likes to stay in the trenches.

[mraynrand]

Brown's 30

Packers 24

That would be the most points all season for the loaded Brownies. But You could be right. It's Josh Gordon's second game back and he could smoke the Packers' secondary. I think a lot will depend in the reeferees - will they let Packer DB's compete? It's like a bowl game for Josh - he has to prove himself to make the team next year. That's my toke on the game.

[Zool]

Brown's 30

Packers 24

The Browns couldn’t score 30 on a Packer Rat defense. Not sure the Packers can score 24 on the Browns though. Classic resistible force against a movable object.

[Joemailman]

John Dorsey named new Browns GM.

[QBME]

That would be the most points all season for the loaded Brownies. But You could be right. It's Josh Gordon's second game back and he could smoke the Packers' secondary. I think a lot will depend in the reeferees - will they let Packer DB's compete? It's like a bowl game for Josh - he has to prove himself to make the team next year. That's my toke on the game.

Sweet Jesus

[wist43]

That would be the most points all season for the loaded Brownies. But You could be right. It's Josh Gordon's second game back and he could smoke the Packers' secondary. I think a lot will depend in the reeferees - will they let Packer DB's compete? It's like a bowl game for Josh - he has to prove himself to make the team next year. That's my toke on the game.

Gordon is why I expect the Browns have a good shot at their 1st win.

[mraynrand]

Sweet Jesus

you missed 'loaded brownies' and 'bowl' :)

[Pugger]

Gordon is why I expect the Browns have a good shot at their 1st win.

Who is going to throw him the rock?

[mraynrand]

Gordon is why I expect the Browns have a good shot at their 1st win.

I figure if the Packers can take away Evans, they can shut down Gordon.

But John Dorsey is in charge now and remember, he brought Rodgers to Green Bay.

[Guiness]

I figure if the Packers can take away Evans, they can shut down Gordon.

But John Dorsey is in charge now and remember, he brought Rodgers to Green Bay.

Dorsey announcement came more than quickly. How much more obvious could it be that they were talking to him before Brown was gone, and they didn't comply with the Rooney Rule? If the NFL doesn't ding them, they might as well punt the rule.

[pbmax]

Dorsey announcement came more than quickly. How much more obvious could it be that they were talking to him before Brown was gone, and they didn't comply with the Rooney Rule? If the NFL doesn't ding them, they might as well punt the rule.

Fritz Pollard alliance is already making noise.

[pbmax]

FRIDAY PC

Green Bay Packers @packers
McCarthy: LB Nick Perry is going to be questionable for Sunday. CB Davon House will be questionable or doubtful. #GBvsCLE

IT WAS A SHORT PRESS CONFERENCE AS IT WAS BUMPING UP AGAINST BRUNCH

[MadScientist]

Dorsey announcement came more than quickly. How much more obvious could it be that they were talking to him before Brown was gone, and they didn't comply with the Rooney Rule? If the NFL doesn't ding them, they might as well punt the rule.

Figures that the Browns can find a way to fuck up just about anything. They are projected to have two top-10 draft pics this year, and this stupidity might cost them one.

[Guiness]

Figures that the Browns can find a way to fuck up just about anything. They are projected to have two top-10 draft pics this year, and this stupidity might cost them one.

I was thinking the same thing. They are claiming they interviewed Doug Whaley, whom I'm pretty sure has as much chance of working as an NFL GM again as Matt Millen does of finding work with a team. This would mean Sashi Brown has been a lame duck GM for some time.

What a stupid way to go about this. No one is looking for a GM mid-season, Dorsey was going to keep. They could've conducted a search with much better optics, even if it was a foregone conclusion. They deserve to get dinged a 2nd rounder for 'conduct detrimental to the league'.

[pbmax]

It worked. NFL said they complied.

Though the nature of the decision making and the interview process tell you all you need to know about how effective Haslam is at running a pro football team.

If you took Jerry and Danny's football IQ, added them together, divided by 4 you would still be above Haslam's understanding.

[mraynrand]

I was thinking the same thing. They are claiming they interviewed Doug Whaley, whom I'm pretty sure has as much chance of working as an NFL GM again as Matt Millen does of finding work with a team. This would mean Sashi Brown has been a lame duck GM for some time.

What a stupid way to go about this. No one is looking for a GM mid-season, Dorsey was going to keep. They could've conducted a search with much better optics, even if it was a foregone conclusion. They deserve to get dinged a 2nd rounder for 'conduct detrimental to the league'.

The Giants just torpedoed their leadership. The Browns didn’t want to get caught with leavings again.

I was surprised - I didn’t know the RR applied to GMs. Thought it just went as high as head coaches. Do owners impose the RR when a team is sold as well for new Owners? Do they need Jordan and Junior Bridgeman to show interest before they can sell the team to a white guy?

[mraynrand]

Haslem has no clue what he’s doing but he’s been told Dorsey is the best there is. He must have been listening to KNR. “Whoa Dorsey brought in Rodgers? I gotta hire that guy!”

[pbmax]

If you need me before Sunday's game, I will be over here: https://towardsdatascience.com/napoleon-was-the-best-general-ever-and-the-math-proves-it-86efed303eeb

They are currently allowing comments and I plan to launch a DWIGHT WAS AN ELITE GENERAL campaign as soon as I get approved for comments. Sample posts:

1. Numbers don't count intangibles!
2. WWII was the best war!
3. Dwight had to deal with De Gaulle and Monty!
4. Rommel couldn't handle Patton!

[mraynrand]

95% of historians agree that Grenada was the best war.

[Guiness]

It worked. NFL said they complied.

Though the nature of the decision making and the interview process tell you all you need to know about how effective Haslam is at running a pro football team.

If you took Jerry and Danny's football IQ, added them together, divided by 4 you would still be above Haslam's understanding.

They didn't file the necessary paperwork, sound familiar?

Say what you will about the Rooney rule, but it's well defined (as is the trade deadline!) and no reason to screw it up. I'm guessing the NFL won't do anything though because it would be too much like kicking someone while they're down!

[pbmax]

There is going to be a limit to what you can insist on franchises doing to comply.

Any sensible organization will interview multiple candidates to increase the chance of getting the right guy. Unsuccessful ones will not keep an open mind and that can carry penalties of its own.

Speaking of unsuccessful orgs, here is a kind of oral history of all the Cleveland 2.0 quarterbacks starting with Tim Couch. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2747907-last-stop-to-nowhere-the-browns-infamous-qb-jersey-has-a-tale-to-tell

[pbmax]

Remember, Packers don't practice on Friday, so these are estimates. House is doubtful with a shoulder and Perry questionable with a foot shoulder. Goodson gets head start on season by being Out before he plays a down.



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[wist43]

John Dorsey named new Browns GM.

Very good hire for them... I like him better than TT as personnel man.

His big decision will have to be on Kizer... whether he can play or not. My guess is he can't.

[Joemailman]

Very good hire for them... I like him better than TT as personnel man.

His big decision will have to be on Kizer... whether he can play or not. My guess is he can't.

Yep. Browns have the 1st and 7th overall picks. (As of now). If Dorsey doesn't like Kizer. he can take his choice of QB's. If he wants to go with Kizer, he could trade down with a team looking to move up to take a QB.

[woodbuck27]

The Green Bay Packers need a Win VS the Browns or it's all over for this Season. I believe that the Green Bay Packers will defeat the Cleveland Browns but in order for that to happen QB Brett Hundley must play very well. He has to get yards through the air (HC Mike McCarthy) like he did Vs the Pittsburgh Steelers.

The Cleveland Browns have a solid Run 'D'; ranking what?...6th in the NFL.

GO PACK GO !

[woodbuck27]

Very good hire for them... I like him better than TT as personnel man.

His big decision will have to be on Kizer... whether he can play or not. My guess is he can't.

TT is lost somewhere in Space.

Anybody see him lately or is he in hiding again?

[mraynrand]

TT is lost somewhere in Space.

Anybody see him lately or is he in hiding again?

He's coaching special teams this week, as always.

[mraynrand]

Yep. Browns have the 1st and 7th overall picks. (As of now). If Dorsey doesn't like Kizer. he can take his choice of QB's. If he wants to go with Kizer, he could trade down with a team looking to move up to take a QB.

"wir wollen unseren alten kaiser wilhelm wiederhaben" = "We Want Kizer Back"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNJ2hbisvJg

[Fritz]

"wir wollen unseren alten kaiser wilhelm wiederhaben" = "We Want Kizer Back"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNJ2hbisvJg

Makes me want to pick up a stein of beer and start singing.