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Jimx29
09-08-2006, 06:57 PM
September 11, 2001.....We Remember

The N. Y. Times....U.S. Attacked! (http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/6906/newyorktimes911jn4.jpg)

President George W. Bush's Speech on Sept.12/01 After The Attacks (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/ca/George_W._Bush_Speech_-_September_12%2C_2001.ogg)

Day Of Terror Video Archive (http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/multimedia.day.html)

Shattered! TIME Photo Essay (http://www.time.com/time/photoessays/shattered/)

TV News Video Coverage As It Happened On Putfile (http://forums.putfile.com/viewtopic.php?t=1970)



The fatalities were in the thousands, with 2973 people killed, including 246 on the four planes, 2602 in New York City in the towers and on the ground, and 125 at the Pentagon. Among the fatalities were 343 New York City Fire Department firefighters, 23 New York City Police Department officers, and 37 Port Authority police officers. Also, a further 24 people remain listed as missing in the attack on the World Trade Center to this day.


United Airlines Flight 175 and American Airlines Flight 11

http://img434.imageshack.us/img434/1631/wtcattack911pq9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

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In addition to the 110-floor Twin Towers of the World Trade Center itself, five other buildings at the World Trade Center site, including 7 World Trade Center and the Marriott Hotel, and four New York City Subway stations were destroyed or badly damaged. In total, in Manhattan, 25 buildings were damaged and all seven buildings of the World Trade Center Complex had to be razed. Later, an eighth building, the Deutsche Bank Building across Liberty Street from the World Trade Center complex had to be demolished as well, due to the uninhabitable, toxic conditions inside the office tower.





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American Airlines Flight 77

American Airlines Flight 77 was a morning flight that routinely flew from Washington Dulles International Airport in Fairfax and Loudoun Counties, Virginia, near Washington, D.C., to Los Angeles International Airport (IAD-LAX). On September 11, 2001, while being piloted by Charles Burlingame, and First Officer Dave Charlebois, the Boeing 757-223, N644AA, was hijacked as part of the September 11, 2001 attacks. Over an hour into the flight, it was crashed into the Pentagon, killing 64 on the plane and 125 in the buildings. It was the third airliner to crash that morning, 50 minutes after the first, and another half hour later than the second crash.

HQ version...Click
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Flight 93....Somerset County, Pennsylvania, USA

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A Day Forever Remembered

September 11, 2001 was one of the darkest days in our nation’s recent history; a day our country was shaken to its very foundation. The United States experienced the worst incident of terrorism in its history: the coordinated hijacking of four commercial airliners. Despite the destruction and devastation, stories of courage and heroism emerged.

On September 11, 2001, shortly after terrorists flew airplanes into the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center and into the Pentagon, the forty passengers and crewmembers on United Airlines Flight 93 fought a battle in the sky over Pennsylvania. These forty heroes won their battle against terrorists and thwarted a planned attack on our nation’s capital, saving countless numbers of lives, but sacrificing their own in a field just east of Pittsburgh, in Somerset County, Pennsylvania.

The story of Flight 93 is a national treasure — a story of hope in human courage and cooperation. When confronted with the gravity of their situation, the passengers and crew of Flight 93 chose to act heroically and sacrifice their lives for their country. These 40 heroes made a democratic decision to fight back against terrorism and thereby thwarted a planned attack on our nation’s capital, saving countless numbers of lives.


Flight 93 National Memorial (http://www.flight93memorialproject.org/)

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Trucker remembers September 11, 2001


Here is some background information.

Their names are John & Amy Holmgren. They live in Shafer, Minn. They thought this would be a nice tribute to the people that lost their lives.

It has every name of each person that lost their life on 9-11. This concept was thought up by John and Amy, and totally paid for by them. John says he will be awhile paying the loan off that he had to take out to do it but, thought this was the least he could do. Applied Graphics in Fargo, ND did most of the work and Paul Kosenski did the Hand painting.

He said that he got to meet the Country Singer Darryl Worley, who Sang the song "Have You Forgotten" and has gotten pulled over 3 times by the police just to get their picture taken by this truck.

It is called the Rolling 9-11 Memorial, it has all the names of the people that were killed on that day and the flights they were on plus some other graphics on the side of the Tractor.

http://img434.imageshack.us/img434/5884/truckqe8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

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9-11 Trial Exhibits...United States v. Zacarias Moussaoui
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/

***WARNING**** Some exhibits are graphic

2004 High-Resolution image of WTC (http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/9505/wtc2004memorialxq5.jpg)

A Memorial...Names Of Victims (http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memorial/)
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Feel free to add comments, pictures, links, etc......

HarveyWallbangers
09-08-2006, 07:42 PM
Thanks, Cyberski!

BallHawk
09-08-2006, 08:04 PM
Amen, Cyberski.

Joemailman
09-08-2006, 08:29 PM
I have a copy of the New York Times from September 12, 2001. Really chilling stuff.

Partial
09-08-2006, 08:36 PM
http://www.flowersinglass.com/images/Roses/W24Rds_rose.jpg

digitaldean
09-08-2006, 08:47 PM
Cyberski,

THANK YOU!!!!

I find it sad that 5 years after 9/11 that some people HAVE forgotten.

I for one cannot. I remember the gamut of emotions I went through that day. They ranged from shock, anger, and utter sadness from the butchery of innocents that day.

Of those 2819 men, women and children who died on that fateful day:
-Some had no chance as their planes crashed into the WTC and the Pentagon.
-Some had no chance as the planes slammed into their offices at the Pentagon or in the WTC.
-Some knew they had a job to do and saved numerous lives... and sacrificed their own.
-Some found out what was going to happen to them. They fought back and saved countless lives at the Capitol or the White House.. while they gave the utmost of themselves.

We cannot let this happen again, so we must remember those perished that day. We as Americans must stand together, not divided, to thwart terrorists who wish to kill, maim and destroy as many people as possible.

On a side note, my family and I took a vacation 3 years ago to visit some friends in Pennsylvania. We stopped at Shanksville, PA and visited the makeshift memorial. The amount of mementos, cards, letters at that area ran chills down my spine. A whole wall of signatures, fire dept. patches, personal letters hit me like a ton of bricks. The Flight 93 memorial chapel was equally as touching.

Those that gave so selflessly of themselves that day showed the greatest thing of all... love. From those in Newfoundland that helped 38 grounded airliners full of travelers by opening up their homes. From those police and firefighters that helped evacuate the WTC knowing that the odds were against them. And from those that fought back and stopped Flight 93 from its intended target. They cared so much for others they did not know they gave of themselves to help aid or save others.

On this 5th anniversary of 9/11, let us never forget the awful horror of that day. We cannot, we MUST not.

Let us be resolved that we will defeat those wish to kill us. Let us also remember that means we ALL should give more of ourselves to help others.

GBRulz
09-08-2006, 08:50 PM
I can't believe it's 5 years already.

Remember the US Flag in the shape of the US that they displayed at Lambeau, as it was the first MNF game after 9/11? I can't even explain the feeling of that. Tears. Sadness. Anger. Proud of our country. etc.

digitaldean
09-08-2006, 08:53 PM
I can't believe it's 5 years already.

Remember the US Flag in the shape of the US that they displayed at Lambeau, as it was the first MNF game after 9/11? I can't even explain the feeling of that. Tears. Sadness. Anger. Proud of our country. etc.

I remember how Chris Gizzi (the Packer LB who was in the Air Force Academy) charged onto the field with the American flag.

BallHawk
09-08-2006, 08:54 PM
Great post, Dean.

GBRulz
09-08-2006, 08:59 PM
I don't understand how anyone can forget that day. I think everyone of us will always remember what were doing and where we were when we first heard the news.

Without trying to turn this into a big political discussion, I think what angered me most were the war protesters in the US when the President was about to go after the Taliban.

Partial
09-08-2006, 09:15 PM
I can't believe it's 5 years already.

Remember the US Flag in the shape of the US that they displayed at Lambeau, as it was the first MNF game after 9/11? I can't even explain the feeling of that. Tears. Sadness. Anger. Proud of our country. etc.

I remember how Chris Gizzi (the Packer LB who was in the Air Force Academy) charged onto the field with the American flag.

I remember that too, what a moment

Partial
09-08-2006, 09:15 PM
I don't understand how anyone can forget that day. I think everyone of us will always remember what were doing and where we were when we first heard the news.

Without trying to turn this into a big political discussion, I think what angered me most were the war protesters in the US when the President was about to go after the Taliban.

Speech class, 2nd hour, Mrs. Clark's class

MJZiggy
09-08-2006, 09:16 PM
Digital Dean, that was a beautiful piece of writing. You should send it in to the NY Times, WSJ, and Washington Post. Especially the post in this, an election year. I think they may need a little reminder of what they're working for there.

HarveyWallbangers
09-08-2006, 09:18 PM
First heard about it on the radio--as my wife and I were driving to work. I dropped her off. When I got to my office, they had wheeled in a TV. We spent the day watching footage--before being told to go home early. I remember watching footage until like 4AM that night.

Partial
09-08-2006, 09:22 PM
I remember watching footage until like 4AM that night.

me too

BallHawk
09-08-2006, 09:23 PM
I remember I was in 3rd grade, Mrs.Slicko's glass, and we were going over grammar at the red table. It's freaky, I can remember so much about the one moment. What time it was, what I was wearing, who I was sitting with, etc. It's like your brain froze to take in all the information. What happened was they announced it over the intercom system, but they didn't say America was being attacked. They said there had been an explosion in New York, but we weren't in any danger. I remember all the parents coming to pick up there kids. At that time, I was 9 and really didn't understand, too well, what was going on. The thing that makes our country so unique, along with few others, though is this.

When other countries are attacked, they respond with fighting in the streets and attacks on innocent civilians.

When we are attacked, we band together as a country, we pick each other up, we become one.

On that fatefull Autumn day, there was no Democratic or Republican, there was no rich and no poor; there was just Americans.

pacfan
09-08-2006, 10:00 PM
I was in my office when the office manager came running down the hallway screaming. We have members from our workplace that live in NYC and some live close to Manhatten.

I spent the rest of the day either on the phone, watching TV, or directing the traffic in the office.

I'll admit it, I cried my ass off. We had people calling home to New York, DC, and Flight 93 was a rumor then. Phone lines were jammed, work was impossible.

It was so horribly tragic, but I saw people come together in ways I had never seen before. The police, Red Cross, people on the street, itwas amazing. One of the local radio stations (I say one 'cause I didn't change the station) played the song by Enya with excerpts of phone calls and reports from the WTC broadcasts, I still can't listen to that song without thinking about 9/11.

I can honestly say I will remember that day for the rest of my life.

GBRulz
09-08-2006, 10:06 PM
The slideshow with the Enya song.....

http://www.gunstuff.com/america-attacked.html

BEARMAN
09-08-2006, 11:50 PM
America will NEVER forget !

MadtownPacker
09-09-2006, 12:31 AM
No one has forgotten, it's just that the idiots who did it thought they could break the USA's spirit. They where wrong and because of their cowardly act, terrorist will never be able to take a flight hostage again. People will not sit and take it knowing what might happen.

the_idle_threat
09-09-2006, 12:50 AM
Amen to that.

Tarlam!
09-09-2006, 04:54 AM
First heard about it when my plane was waiting for the hatch to open. I had just flown to Spain for a golf tournament. I was in the air when it happened.

A girl in 1st class was on her cell...She kept repeating what she was being told in utter disbelief. She was loud.

I remember thinking "typical rich bitch, why does she need the drugs". I could not believe it was even halfway true. A companion rang her hubby, just as the second tower was hit. She screamed. All of the passengers became uneasy.

We were still locked up in the plane and everybody looked like a terrorist, even friends that we'd known for years. Even I looked like a terrorist to others. Word had spread all the way to the back rows of the plane.

The hatch finally opened and thank God I was in Spain. You can smoke immediately after getting of the aircraft in Spain. I remember drawing on my cigarette. My brand is called "Peter Stuyvesant". Named after the guy that founded New York in 1653. It says so on the pack. I remember the irony of that moment.

I was travelling with a friend. He is an Iranian. While we were in the taxi Que, he kept saying "please don't let any if the terrorists be Iranian". He knew, in an instant that his home was now the object of war plans. He was beginning to mentally move assets, family and friends to "higher ground". 40 days and nights of torrential downpour impended.

We got into the taxi. Our luggage barely fit. I speak enough Spanish to know, the taxi driver was completely oblivious to the shattering world events. I speak zero Spanish, but, his demeanor was of a man more concerned with getting a big tip than anything the radio might hold in store. The radio was off.

We arrived at our 5 star hotel. We saw familiar faces in the lobby from previous tournaments. Everybody seemed to be in a daze.

I remember walking at Olympic speed to my room. I remember groping for the remote. I remember feeling helpless. Angry. I think I cried, but I'm not sure any more. I know, I knew instantly the world had changed. My Iranian friend called my room. He asked me if I thought if it was safe for him to move around the hotel.

Kiwon
09-09-2006, 07:40 AM
5 years have passed very quickly without any further attacks, but we can't allow ourselves to forget what happened in its full context. It is utterly shameful and disgusting to have former President Clinton and members of his administration putting pressure on ABC because of "The Path to 9-11" program.

9-11 was a horrible wake-up call for the American public that war had already been declared on us years earlier, but our government had largely ignored it. There is plenty of blame to go around which is why these revisionist efforts are so troubling. The terrorist threat grew under a President emboiled in scandal. These facts can't be ignored or wished away.

It is human nature to try to divert blame, but we do so in this case to our own great peril. Let's hope that nothing worse than 9-11 will ever come our way again. A good prevention begins by telling the truth no matter how painful it may be.

GBRulz
09-09-2006, 09:43 AM
I was actually very surprised to learn that they tried the whole airline concept again last month in the UK. Yes, it was more of a bomb related concept, but much to what Mad said previously, people aren't going to put up with anything on a plane anymore.

Just wish the Pres would have put forth the effort in Afganistan that he's put into Iraq. We might have had Bin Laden by now.

HarveyWallbangers
09-09-2006, 09:49 AM
Just wish the Pres would have put forth the effort in Afganistan that he's put into Iraq. We might have had Bin Laden by now.

I wish this thread wouldn't have turned political. The whole Tora Bora thing was a politicized media crock, but I'll leave it at that.

I'll always remembers the fire fighters, police officers, the passengers that brought the plane down in Pennsylvania, and just every ordinary citizen who did their part (whether it was through action, prayer, or donations).

GBRulz
09-09-2006, 09:52 AM
As like many of you, I was glued to the TV for hours..... the images that pissed me off the worst, where ones like these......

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/9_11_Palestinian2.jpg
The Palestinian woman celebrating....

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/palescelebration.jpg
WTF is that a Bears jersey i see? More Palestinians.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/9-11.jpg
how can anyone think this is something to celebrate? It's just sick.

GBRulz
09-09-2006, 09:58 AM
I wish this thread wouldn't have turned political. The whole Tora Bora thing was a politicized media crock, but I'll leave it at that.

I'll always remembers the fire fighters, police officers, the passengers that brought the plane down in Pennsylvania, and just every ordinary citizen who did their part (whether it was through action, prayer, or donations).

It hasn't turned political, Harvey. Nor do I want it to be that way, either. However, it's hard to discuss 9/11 without a political comment here and there, doesn't mean we're starting up FYI4 or whatever!

HarveyWallbangers
09-09-2006, 10:26 AM
It hasn't turned political, Harvey. Nor do I want it to be that way, either. However, it's hard to discuss 9/11 without a political comment here and there, doesn't mean we're starting up FYI4 or whatever!

You don't know how this works then. Good thread. Somebody says something political (Kiwon), then somebody else says something political (you), and the next thing you know is it turns political. Oh well! What are you gonna do.

Scott Campbell
09-09-2006, 10:34 AM
WTF is that a Bears jersey i see? More Palestinians.



Yeah, the Bears better bring an AK47. They haven't got any other weapons.

GBRulz
09-09-2006, 11:32 AM
LOL....

CyclonePackFan
09-09-2006, 12:01 PM
I will never forget that day. I was walking the halls in high school, when an ex-girlfriend told me something about two planes crashing (from the way she told it, I thought two commerical airliners collided, tragic, yes, but not on the scale of what was really going on). Soon enough I was watching CNN's coverage in a state of awe. I ran the gambit of emotions that day, hatred, grief, sickness, I went through it all.

I'll never forget my first thoughts, which I expressed to a group of people who asked me what I thought (despite being a football player, for some reason I was Mr. Politics of our class. I didn't do debate or anything like that, but I gave far more of a damn about what was going on in Washington than anybody else in that school)

My first thought:

"This is our generation's Pearl Harbor. This will unite our country in a way that hasn't been seen in sixty years."

I was right.

I've always been proud of being an American. Unlike most in our country, I take pride in being a part of the first truly representative government. I vote for just about everything, from presidential to city council elections, with a joy and pride.

I have never been more proud of being an American than I was when I watched our nation unite and respond to that fateful day. The unity, the nationalism, the patriotism, it was the most incredible thing I've ever seen.

I remember watching football the weekend after. The first game, and Chris Gizzi leading the Packers on to the field Monday Night. I remember Paul Tagliabue sending the message of 'we will not be afraid' when he told America that we're going to play football, because that's what America needs.

I remember everyone singing "I'm proud to be an American" in unison.

Sadly, to some extent, we have forgotten. Not the date or the event, but what that date means.

I remember walking into parking lots and seeing those little car window flags on almost every car. I will roam through the tailgate lots today and not see a one.

September 11 brought out the best in all of us. Unfortunately, since then we've also had to see some of the worst in us.

It's been used as a scapegoat, and as a lightning rod for petty partisan bickering. I don't want to turn this political, so that's all I have to say about that.

I'm running short on time, I'd really like to make this longer, but I've got to go celebrate our country with it's sport, and watch us trounce UNLV.

Thank you to the men and women who have made the ultimate sacrifice for our country and our freedoms.

Never forget. Not what happened, but never forget what it MEANT. How that day made you FEEL. NEVER forget the PRIDE you felt in where you come from, and keep that pride alive every single day. Be thankful, you live in the greatest country in the world, with the freedom to watch football, say whatever you want, and pursue happiness.


I will always remember....

CyclonePackFan

Rastak
09-09-2006, 03:42 PM
We should drop about 1000 daisy cutters on western Pakistan to commemorate the event Monday night.

Rastak
09-09-2006, 03:43 PM
It hasn't turned political, Harvey. Nor do I want it to be that way, either. However, it's hard to discuss 9/11 without a political comment here and there, doesn't mean we're starting up FYI4 or whatever!

You don't know how this works then. Good thread. Somebody says something political (Kiwon), then somebody else says something political (you), and the next thing you know is it turns political. Oh well! What are you gonna do.



DING DING DING, give Harvey the prize.....

GBRulz
09-09-2006, 04:19 PM
not sure what the prize is for....but ok

http://gazuga.net/stuph/prize.jpg

Rastak
09-09-2006, 04:24 PM
not sure what the prize is for....but ok

http://gazuga.net/stuph/prize.jpg


Prize is for being 100% right....hmmm, should have quoted him I guess....LOL...

His comment was on political comments in a thread and how it morphs.

GBRulz
09-09-2006, 04:29 PM
yeah....don't ya hate when a couple comments can throw a whole topic off?

...like football threads turning into tennis threads, :wink:

HarveyWallbangers
09-09-2006, 04:33 PM
yeah....don't ya hate when a couple comments can throw a whole topic off?

...like football threads turning into tennis threads, :wink:

Nah, I don't mind that. Happens all of the time. Apples to oranges. I just hate when a good well-meaning thread gets politicized and morphs into FYI. Not to single you out. I'm sure I've done it before. You aren't even the first one to do it in this thread. I just hope the gist of this thread sticks. It's a good thread.

GBRulz
09-09-2006, 04:47 PM
When does that 9/11 show come on ABC that Clinton is trying to have canned? I am interested in seeing it.

Scott Campbell
09-09-2006, 06:25 PM
yeah....don't ya hate when a couple comments can throw a whole topic off?

...like football threads turning into tennis threads, :wink:

Nah, I don't mind that. Happens all of the time. Apples to oranges. I just hate when a good well-meaning thread gets politicized and morphs into FYI. Not to single you out. I'm sure I've done it before. You aren't even the first one to do it in this thread. I just hope the gist of this thread sticks. It's a good thread.


The only thing I hate worse than political threadjacking is the god damned liberal democrats. :wink:

But I digress.

9/11 should be remembered by the terrorists the same way Pearl Harbor is remembered by the Japenese. It might have seemed like a good idea to our enemies at the time, but in the end they just woke the sleeping giant and began their own demise.

Kiwon
09-09-2006, 06:54 PM
yeah....don't ya hate when a couple comments can throw a whole topic off?

...like football threads turning into tennis threads, :wink:

Nah, I don't mind that. Happens all of the time. Apples to oranges. I just hate when a good well-meaning thread gets politicized and morphs into FYI. Not to single you out. I'm sure I've done it before. You aren't even the first one to do it in this thread. I just hope the gist of this thread sticks. It's a good thread.

It is a good thread, Harvey. I could elaborate as well where and what I was doing on 9-11 and how it affected me. But it's impossible to just remember the victims and not to remember the terrorists also.

Our country was attacked and anyone who pays attention knows that the target was not just The Twins Towers but America itself, our lifestyle, our culture, and our history. It was a call to action and people like Pat Tillman bravely responded by joining the fight.

The politicizing of the event is what I am decrying. ABC wants to tell a story about what led up to 9-11 and President Clinton and his Democratic supporters are working overtime to pressure them to pull the whole show for fear that it will make them look bad. http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral/2006/sep/09/in_new_letter_clintons_lawyer_demands_abc_yank_fil m

But 9-11 did not happen in a vacuum. There are backgrounds behind it and government failures that span both Republican and Democratic administrations. That's why Clinton's efforts to kill the project are so troubling. They would rather you not see the show and remember the victims than accept any responsibility for what happened on their watch. They are the ones politicizing the event and I find that disgusting and cowardly.

You can't prevent another 9-11 without looking back at what caused it in the first place. I agree that this is a "good well-meaning thread" but I for one can't separate the central event from its corollaries. In fact, it's wrong to try.

The victims of 9-11 and their families deserve the truth and not government cover-ups. That's the best way to honor their memories.

falco
09-09-2006, 07:51 PM
The attempts to stop the show are just political maneuvers for an election year.

Its the same as in 2004 when the Republicans were able to stop the show on Reagan from being shown nationally and got it moved to Showtime.

Rastak
09-09-2006, 08:01 PM
The victims of 9-11 and their families deserve the truth and not government cover-ups. That's the best way to honor their memories.

Goverment coverups eh? You are joking right? If not , start a thread on it and everyone can discuss.

GBRulz
09-09-2006, 09:36 PM
I just remembered, I had to fly out to NY for work last year on 9/11. It was kind of weird, but nothing a $12 drink at the airport couldn't fix.

Joemailman
09-10-2006, 12:15 AM
The attempts to stop the show are just political maneuvers for an election year.

Its the same as in 2004 when the Republicans were able to stop the show on Reagan from being shown nationally and got it moved to Showtime.


Do you even consider the possibility that airing the show in the first place is a political manuever for an election year?

HarveyWallbangers
09-10-2006, 12:21 AM
Do you even consider the possibility that airing the show in the first place is a political manuever for an election year?

For both movies. I vote to take it to FYI. We have one of those here. Don't ruin a good thread.

Kiwon
09-10-2006, 02:13 AM
The victims of 9-11 and their families deserve the truth and not government cover-ups. That's the best way to honor their memories.

Goverment coverups eh? You are joking right? If not , start a thread on it and everyone can discuss.

Clarification: Government cover-ups in the sense of whatever information President Clinton and friends are objecting to and don't want you to see in this drama based upon the 9-11 Commission's report.

I certainly don't mean government cover-ups in the sense of the conspiracy theorists that claim that 9-11 was an inside job. I would hope al-Qaeda's claims and recent videos showing the hijackers would finally discredit their contentions.

Partial
09-10-2006, 02:27 AM
Do you even consider the possibility that airing the show in the first place is a political manuever for an election year?

For both movies. I vote to take it to FYI. We have one of those here. Don't ruin a good thread.

Good idea, especially in this particular situation

the_idle_threat
09-10-2006, 02:49 AM
Bonus texaspackerbacker post ... shiny and new, imported with care from the mother FYI thread at JSO:


St.Louis, you God damned treasonous America-hating piece of camel sh1t, scum like you don't deserve the good life and freedom you have in America. I sincerely hope you and other ungrateful leftist trash are rounded up and tortured until you beg for death--and then tortured a little bit more--when the uprising finally occurs of good people who are fed up with tolerating America-hating traitors like you.

:lol: :lol: :lol: It may only be opening weekend, but tex is in mid-season form!

Tarlam!
09-10-2006, 03:59 AM
Bonus texaspackerbacker post ... shiny and new, imported with care from the mother FYI thread at JSO:


St.Louis, you God damned treasonous America-hating piece of camel sh1t, scum like you don't deserve the good life and freedom you have in America. I sincerely hope you and other ungrateful leftist trash are rounded up and tortured until you beg for death--and then tortured a little bit more--when the uprising finally occurs of good people who are fed up with tolerating America-hating traitors like you.

:lol: :lol: :lol: It may only be opening weekend, but tex is in mid-season form!


Thanks idle! I forgot how much I loved that SOB!

jack's smirking revenge
09-10-2006, 05:32 AM
All I can say is WOW. I knew Tex was hateful, but WOW.... That's the most evil thing I've heard or read in a long time.

tyler

woodbuck27
09-10-2006, 08:21 AM
Before Sept.11,2001

http://www.september11news.com/WorldTradeCenterNight1_small1.jpg

and a Symbol of World Freedom in Peace:

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Iconic structures on American soil.

then with sudden SHOCK . . . . DISBELIEF. . . .

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Word of the tragedy first came to President Bush in the hallway of a school in Sarasota, Fla.,moments after the first plane hit New York's World Trade Center. President Bush tells students and the nation of "an apparent attack."

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President George W.Bush on flight from Florida, to Barksdale Air Force Base, Louisiana - Sept.11,2001.

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Flight 93 Crash Site.

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Flight 93 crater in a field in Pennsylvania.

In President George W. Bush's Own Words.

The Speech Made by President Bush Within a Few Hours Following the September 11 Attacks. Speech made from the Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana.

A portion of that speech to the Nation:

" I want to reassure the American people that the full resources of the federal government are working to assist local authorities to save lives and to help the victims of these attacks. . . .

I ask the American people to join me in saying a thanks for all the folks who have been fighting hard to rescue our fellow citizens and to join me in saying a prayer for the victims and their families

The resolve of our great nation is being tested. But make no mistake: We will show the world that we will pass this test. God bless. " President George W. Bush


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September 11, 2001 News - Flight 93 Heroes

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Jason Dahl (43) The Pilot on United Airlines Flight 93;

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The Passengers on Flight 93 who confronted the hijackers on 9/11/2001.

and one of the terrorists:

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Zacarias Moussaoui. The Suspected Fifth hijacker of Flight 93
and the first 9/11 terrorist suspect to be charged.

WAR AGAINST TERROR !

Let us never forget the VICTIMS of 911.

GBRulz
09-10-2006, 08:49 AM
Last night on Discovery there was a show on called "Inside the Twin Towers". While I'm not sure if they are going to show it again, I certainly hope they do. It was a mix of reinactments and actual footage/audio from the stories of 14,000 people that were interviewed. I was so tired last night, I couldn't stay up for the whole 2 hours that it was on, but I know I went to sleep with tears.

That was a point of view that not many of us are familiar with. For example, I didn't know that in the first tower, everyone above the floors of impact had no way down and that ALL staircases were destroyed from the plane. In the 2nd tower that wasn't the case because the plane came in at an angle.

I was actually VERY shocked at how calm the people were after the explosion. Many of them simply waited in their offices for emergency personnel to arrive and assist them. There were also automated announcements over the intercom telling people to stay at their desks.

I dunno, it's just a great story about how many of the people inside who IMO were just as heroic as the firefighters, but we don't hear that side as much. I just thought it was very well done and I'd definitely see if they are going to be showing it again. "Inside the Twin Towers" on the Discovery Channel.

woodbuck27
09-10-2006, 10:01 AM
"St.Louis, you God damned treasonous America-hating piece of camel sh1t, scum like you don't deserve the good life and freedom you have in America. I sincerely hope you and other ungrateful leftist trash are rounded up and tortured until you beg for death--and then tortured a little bit more--when the uprising finally occurs of good people who are fed up with tolerating America-hating traitors like you. " texaspackerbacker

Such ignorance ( texaspackerbacker ) is alarming.

That is just what none of us want terrorism to do to us !

To allow terrorism, to take us to such extremely pointless and hateful and abusive anger. To allow terrorism. . . to dominate us with "that POWER" is pathetic self neglect and pointless abuse, of the common man/woman with the right of FREE speech. . . cannot be tolerated.

Interpretation is in the mind, the heart of the beholder.

texaspackerbacker is wrong to hold such an abusive stance and is radical to the nth degree. Over " the top " abusive.

It's very sad. :sad:

HarveyWallbangers
09-10-2006, 10:03 AM
All I can say is WOW. I knew Tex was hateful, but WOW.... That's the most evil thing I've heard or read in a long time.

Yeah, but he's talking to St. Louis. I'm thinking St. Louis probably deserved it.
:D

woodbuck27
09-10-2006, 10:13 AM
All I can say is WOW. I knew Tex was hateful, but WOW.... That's the most evil thing I've heard or read in a long time.

Yeah, but he's talking to St. Louis. I'm thinking St. Louis probably deserved it.
:D

NOONE deserves to be abused with the language that texaspackerbacker used in that post.

He's over the TOP out of control and "in fact" allowing terrorism to defeat himself.

Come on Harvey. Think with that wonderful mind you possess. :idea:

woodbuck27
09-10-2006, 10:23 AM
Last night on Discovery there was a show on called "Inside the Twin Towers". While I'm not sure if they are going to show it again, I certainly hope they do. It was a mix of reinactments and actual footage/audio from the stories of 14,000 people that were interviewed. I was so tired last night, I couldn't stay up for the whole 2 hours that it was on, but I know I went to sleep with tears.

That was a point of view that not many of us are familiar with. For example, I didn't know that in the first tower, everyone above the floors of impact had no way down and that ALL staircases were destroyed from the plane. In the 2nd tower that wasn't the case because the plane came in at an angle.

I was actually VERY shocked at how calm the people were after the explosion. Many of them simply waited in their offices for emergency personnel to arrive and assist them. There were also automated announcements over the intercom telling people to stay at their desks.

I dunno, it's just a great story about how many of the people inside who IMO were just as heroic as the firefighters, but we don't hear that side as much. I just thought it was very well done and I'd definitely see if they are going to be showing it again. "Inside the Twin Towers" on the Discovery Channel.

911 is the most painful World event I've experienced in my life GBRulz.

When I first began to watch the events unfold on TV. I was in the beginning in disbelief. Such was the shock for me. I needed to not be alone.

GBRulz:

I feel compassion, real pain inside of me (at this moment) for what you endured watching that Docu-Drama on the Discovery Channel.

So many innocent decent people died, as did so many BRAVE Emergency Workers. . in the commission of their duty to save other's lives.

This realization causes us pain on so many levels.

Fosco33
09-10-2006, 11:03 PM
Remember the guy who got on a plane with a bomb built into his shoe and
tried to light it? Did you know his trial is over? Did you know he was sentenced? Did you see/hear any of the judge's comments on TV/Radio?

Didn't think so.

Everyone should hear what the judge had to say- the ruling by Judge William Young, US District Court.

Prior to sentencing, the Judge asked the defendant if he had anything to
say.

His response: After admitting his guilt to the court for the record, Reid
also admitted his "allegiance to Osama bin Laden, to Islam, and to the
religion of Allah," defiantly stated "I think I will not apologize for my
actions," and told the court "I am at war with your country."

Judge Young then delivered the statement quoted below:

January 30, 2003, United States vs. Reid. Judge Young:

"Mr. Richard C. Reid, hearken now to the sentence the Court imposes upon
you.

On counts 1, 5 and 6 the Court sentences you to life in prison in the
custody of the United States Attorney General. On counts 2, 3, 4 and 7, the Court sentences you to 20 years in prison on each count, the sentence on each count to run consecutive with the other.

That's 80 years. On count 8 the Court sentences you to the mandatory 30 years consecutive to the 80 years just imposed. The Court imposes upon you each of the eight counts a fine of $250,000 for the aggregate fine of $2 million. The Court accepts the government's recommendation with respect to restitution and orders restitution in the amount of $298..17 to Andre Bousquet and $5,784 to American Airlines. The Court imposes upon you the $800 special assessment.

The Court imposes upon you five years supervised release simply because the law requires it. But the life sentences are real life sentences so I need go no further. This is the sentence that is provided for by our statutes. It is a fair and just sentence. It is a righteous sentence.

Let me explain this to you. We are not afraid of you or any of your
terrorist co-conspirators, Mr. Reid. We are Americans. We have been through the fire before. There is all too much war talk here and I say that to everyone with the utmost respect. Here in this court, we deal with individuals as individuals and care for individuals as individuals.

As human beings, we reach out for justice.

You are not an enemy combatant. You are a terrorist. You are not a soldier in any war. You are a terrorist. To give you that reference, to call you a soldier, gives you far too much stature. Whether it is the officers of government who do it or your attorney who does it, or if you think you are a soldier. You are not----- you are a terrorist. And we do not negotiate with terrorists. We do not meet with terrorists. We do not sign documents with terrorists. We hunt them down one by one and bring them to justice.

So war talk is way out of line in this court. You are a big fellow. But you are not that big. You're no warrior. I've know warriors.

You are a terrorist. A species of criminal that is guilty of multiple
attempted murders. In a very real sense, State Trooper Santiago had it
right when you first were taken off that plane and into custody and you wondered >where the press and where the TV crews were, and he said: "You're no big deal."

You are no big deal.

What your able counsel and what the equally able United States attorneys have grappled with and what I have as honestly as I know how tried to grapple with, is why you did something so horrific. What was it that led you here to this courtroom today?

I have listened respectfully to what you have to say. And I ask you to
search your heart and ask yourself what sort of unfathomable hate led you to do what you are guilty and admit you are guilty of doing. And I have an answer for you. It may not satisfy you, but as I search this entire record, it comes as close to understanding as I know.

It seems to me you hate the one thing that to us is most precious.

You hate our freedom. Our individual freedom. Our individual freedom to live as we choose, to come and go as we choose, to believe or not believe as we individually choose. Here, in this society, the very wind carries freedom. It carries it everywhere from sea to shining sea. It is because we prize individual freedom so much that you are here in this beautiful courtroom. So that everyone can see, truly see, that justice is administered fairly, individually, and discretely. It is for freedom's sake that your lawyers are striving so vigorously on your behalf and have filed appeals, will go on in their representation of you before other judges.

We Americans are all about freedom. Because we all know that the way we treat you, Mr. Reid, is the measure of our own liberties. Make no mistake though. It is yet true that we will bare any burden; pay any price, to preserve our freedoms. Look around this courtroom. Mark it well. The world is not going to long remember what you or I say here.

Day after tomorrow, it will be forgotten, but this, however, will long endure. Here in this courtroom and courtrooms all across America, the American people will gather to see that justice - individual justice, justice, not war - individual justice is in fact being done. The very President of the United States through his officers come into courtrooms and lay out evidence on which specific matters can be judged and juries of citizens will gather to sit and judge that evidence democratically, to mold and shape and refine our sense of justice.

See that flag, Mr. Reid? That's the flag of the United States of America. That flag will fly there long after this is all forgotten. That flag stands for freedom. And it always s will.

Mr. Custody Officer. Stand him down.

So, how much of this Judge's comments did we hear on our TV sets?

We need more judges like Judge Young, but that's another subject. Pass this around. Everyone should and needs to hear what this fine judge had to say.

Powerful words that strike home.

God bless America.
Please forward this---------so that every American has a chance to read it.

GBRulz
09-11-2006, 10:50 AM
Somber day today.

My house is under the normal flying pattern of planes coming to land. A couple of them that came over this morning seemed really loud. Perhaps it's just the anxiety one would feel.

5 years ago today, I was sitting on the couch with my Mom pretty much glued to the TV all day long. She came into town the night before as we had this big shopping trip planned. i had taken the day off work.

BEARMAN
09-11-2006, 07:17 PM
God Bless AMERICA ! Let us NEVER forget !

Scott Campbell
09-11-2006, 07:53 PM
Good stuff Fosco 33.

Fosco33
09-11-2006, 08:15 PM
Good stuff Fosco 33.

I can't take credit for it - although I wished I could. This was my Dad who forwarded it onto my email; I think some of these things need to be said.

I remember being a senior at UW on 9/11/01 and waking up to the first tower being struck and being dumbstruck. I then went to class (with a bunch of kids from NY in bschool) and we just talked about it the whole time - got back as the second tower collapsed and saw the Pentagon and the plane down in PN - very vivid memories.

I got up early Cali time today and rewatched CNN's 'Pipeline' coverage (realtime 9/11/01 coverage) and I'm amazed how correct many reporters were (citing Osama and Taliban within one hour; having a news reporter in Kabul; discussing overtaking flight 93).

24 hour news may be annoying and sometimes slanted but it sure as hell knew what was going on that day really quickly.

My thoughts still go out to the families/friends directly affected by those attacks 5 years ago - if it hits any closer for me I'm making a switch to intel for the gov't.

Let's never forget that day and God Bless the USA.

hurleyfan
09-14-2006, 08:10 PM
There are no words to describe the feelings I have every second of every day living so close to NYC, and feeling, seeing, and living the grief and anger over the loss of innocent lives suffered on 9/11..


I lost two friends in the cowardly attacks, I see their father's every day at work, and was at "ground zero" on Monday. The emotion was simply un-describable... beginning at Grand Central (train station)with the tribute to 9/11, along the streets of NYC, to the hallowed grounds of the towers. You can watch all the t.v. reports you want, but until you feel the actual loss in real people, I think you can't really feel the full emotion.

I've voiced my feelings in other threads, and don't want to turn this into a political thread, but to this day, I cannot understand or fathom the lack of a truly meaningful and STRONG response (read Afghanistan / Iraq / Taliban protecting MFer's) to this attack on our democracy and Freedom. Far as I'm concerned, the whole Middle East should be a giant sand box with some U.S.A. owned oil wells sticking up out of the wasteland.

Take that BITCH!!

digitaldean
09-14-2006, 08:47 PM
There are no words to describe the feelings I have every second of every day living so close to NYC, and feeling, seeing, and living the grief and anger over the loss of innocent lives suffered on 9/11..

I lost two friends in the cowardly attacks, I see their father's every day at work, and was at "ground zero" on Monday. The emotion was simply un-describable... beginning at Grand Central (train station)with the tribute to 9/11, along the streets of NYC, to the hallowed grounds of the towers. You can watch all the t.v. reports you want, but until you feel the actual loss in real people, I think you can't really feel the full emotion.

I've voiced my feelings in other threads, and don't want to turn this into a political thread, but to this day, I cannot understand or fathom the lack of a truly meaningful and STRONG response (read Afghanistan / Iraq / Taliban protecting MFer's) to this attack on our democracy and Freedom. Far as I'm concerned, the whole Middle East should be a giant sand box with some U.S.A. owned oil wells sticking up out of the wasteland.

Take that BITCH!!
HurleyFan,

Reliving those events that happened 5 short years ago must be agonizing. Plus seeing your friends' fathers each day is a constant reminder. Multiply that by God knows how much for those fathers.

When I was able to go to Shanksville 3 years ago it made an indelible impression on me, and I was only there 1 time on a trip. I can't imagine the feeling with being so close to that hallowed ground.

Some people will never truly understand or comprehend the savagery and butchery that took place on Sept. 11. We have never had anybody willing to kill themselves to help achieve the goal of wiping out every American man, woman and child. I do agree with most of your sentiments on the issue. Without getting to drawn out, I will leave it at that.

These feeble words will fall far short in making the hurt subside from anyone directly affected by the attacks.

But I truly do wish the best for you in coping with your loss.

hurleyfan
09-14-2006, 08:53 PM
There are no words to describe the feelings I have every second of every day living so close to NYC, and feeling, seeing, and living the grief and anger over the loss of innocent lives suffered on 9/11..

I lost two friends in the cowardly attacks, I see their father's every day at work, and was at "ground zero" on Monday. The emotion was simply un-describable... beginning at Grand Central (train station)with the tribute to 9/11, along the streets of NYC, to the hallowed grounds of the towers. You can watch all the t.v. reports you want, but until you feel the actual loss in real people, I think you can't really feel the full emotion.

I've voiced my feelings in other threads, and don't want to turn this into a political thread, but to this day, I cannot understand or fathom the lack of a truly meaningful and STRONG response (read Afghanistan / Iraq / Taliban protecting MFer's) to this attack on our democracy and Freedom. Far as I'm concerned, the whole Middle East should be a giant sand box with some U.S.A. owned oil wells sticking up out of the wasteland.

Take that BITCH!!
HurleyFan,

Reliving those events that happened 5 short years ago must be agonizing. Plus seeing your friends' fathers each day is a constant reminder. Multiply that by God knows how much for those fathers.

When I was able to go to Shanksville 3 years ago it made an indelible impression on me, and I was only there 1 time on a trip. I can't imagine the feeling with being so close to that hallowed ground.

Some people will never truly understand or comprehend the savagery and butchery that took place on Sept. 11. We have never had anybody willing to kill themselves to help achieve the goal of wiping out every American man, woman and child. I do agree with most of your sentiments on the issue. Without getting to drawn out, I will leave it at that.

These feeble words will fall far short in making the hurt subside from anyone directly affected by the attacks.

But I truly do wish the best for you in coping with your loss.

Thanks for the kind words Dean, I am coping... :cry:

Just wish (as I'm sure most Americans do) I / we could turn back the clock and this never would've happened.

God Bless America!