2018: Nelson or Cobb

[Smidgeon]

Many pundits are claiming with Nelson and Cobb both on big contracts (at least through next year) and it being absolutely imperative they sign Adams, the Packers will have to choose between Nelson or Cobb.

My personal view is they'll keep both and sign Adams. The Packers have kept big contracts before that everyone anticipated they'd cut.

How do the rats see this one falling out?

[Pugger]

I think both will be back and Ted will draft a WR this spring.

[Fosco33]

I hope we keep all 3 but could see Cobb gone. Hope Clays gone too. Good players but would need to take cuts to invest in the future imo.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I said cut both. But on second thought, Cobb may have a little more tread on the tire. He looks dead, but lets see rest of season.

[Harlan Huckleby]

This is a two year old article (add two years to age, Einstein)

WR is a very young position. Jordy at 33 will be pretty ancient.
Although Jordy with Rodgers might be viable. Even Fred Sanford can catch an accurate back shoulder throw.

Player Position Team Birthday Age

Steve Smith WR Ravens 5/12/1979 37
Vincent Jackson WR Buccaneers 1/14/1983 33
Nate Washington WR Patriots 8/28/1983 32
Larry Fitzgerald WR Cardinals 8/31/1983 32
Brandon Marshall WR Jets 3/23/1984 32
Ted Ginn WR Panthers 4/12/1985 31
Jordy Nelson WR Packers 5/31/1985 31
Danny Amendola WR Patriots 11/2/1985 30
Andrew Hawkins WR Browns 3/10/1986 30
Eddie Royal WR Bears 5/21/1986 30
Julian Edelman WR Patriots 5/22/1986 30
Stevie Johnson WR Chargers 7/22/1986 29
Mike Wallace WR Ravens 8/1/1986 29
Pierre Garcon WR Redskins 8/8/1986 29
Jordan Norwood WR Broncos 9/29/1986 29
Brandon LeFell WR Bengals 11/4/1986 29
Victor Cruz WR Giants 11/11/1986 29
DeSean Jackson WR Redskins 12/1/1986 29
Darrius Heyward-Bey WR Steelers 2/26/1987 29
Eric Decker WR Jets 3/15/1987 29
Emmanuel Sanders WR Broncos 3/17/1987 29
Michael Crabtree WR Raiders 9/14/1987 28
Demaryius Thomas WR Broncos 10/25/1987 28
Cecil Shorts WR Texans 12/22/1987 28
Jeremy Maclin WR Chiefs 5/11/1988 28
Antonio Brown WR Steelers 7/10/1988 27
AJ Green WR Bengals 7/31/1988 27
Golden Tate WR Lions 8/2/1988 27
Kenny Britt WR Rams 9/19/1988 27
Doug Baldwin WR Seahawks 9/21/1988 27
Dez Bryant WR Cowboys 11/4/1988 27
Jeremy Kerley WR Lions 11/8/1988 27
Torrey Smith WR 49ers 1/26/1989 27
Julio Jones WR Falcons 2/3/1989 27
Cole Beasley WR Cowboys 4/26/1989 27
Kamar Aiken WR Ravens 5/30/1989 27
Brian Quick WR Rams 6/5/1989 27
Mohamed Sanu WR Falcons 8/22/1989 26
Terrance Williams WR Cowboys 9/18/1989 26
Rishard Matthews WR Titans 10/12/1989 26
Kendall Wright WR Titans 11/12/1989 26
TY Hilton WR Colts 11/14/1989 26
Jarius Wright WR Vikings 11/25/1989 26
Michael Floyd WR Cardinals 11/27/1989 26
Travis Benjamin WR Chargers 12/29/1989 26
Jermaine Kearse WR Seahawks 2/6/1990 26
Alshon Jeffery WR Bears 2/14/1990 26
Marvin Jones WR Lions 3/12/1990 26
John Brown WR Cardinals 4/3/1990 26
Quinton Patton WR 49ers 8/9/1990 25
Randall Cobb WR Packers 8/22/1990 25
Marquise Goodwin WR Bills 11/19/1990 25
Kelvin Benjamin WR Panthers 2/5/1991 25
Markus Wheaton WR Steelers 2/7/1991 25
Taylor Gabriel WR Browns 2/17/1991 25
Seth Roberts WR Raiders 2/22/1991 25
Tavon Austin WR Rams 3/15/1991 25
Rueben Randle WR Eagles 5/7/1991 25
Bruce Ellington WR 49ers 8/22/1991 24
Allen Hurns WR Jaguars 11/12/1991 24
Marqise Lee WR Jaguars 11/25/1991 24
Justin Hardy WR Falcons 12/18/1991 24
Robert Woods WR Bills 4/10/1992 24
Kenny Stills WR Dolphins 4/22/1992 24
Keenan Allen WR Chargers 4/27/1992 24
Quincy Enunwa WR Jets 5/31/1992 23
DeAndre Hopkins WR Texans 6/6/1992 24
Brandon Coleman WR Saints 6/22/1992 24
Albert Wilson WR Chiefs 7/12/1992 23
Jordan Matthews WR Eagles 7/16/1992 23
Tyler Lockett WR Seahawks 9/28/1992 23
Willie Snead WR Saints 10/17/1992 23
Chris Conley WR Chiefs 10/25/1992 23
Odell Beckham Jr. WR Giants 11/5/1992 23
Jarvis Landry WR Dolphins 11/28/1992 23
Davante Adams WR Packers 12/24/1992 23
Phillip Dorsett WR Colts 1/5/1993 23
DeVante Parker WR Dolphins 1/20/1993 23
Dorial Green-Beckham WR Titans 4/12/1993 23
Nelson Agholor WR Eagles 5/24/1993 23
Sammy Watkins WR Bills 6/14/1993 23
Jamison Crowder WR Redskins 6/17/1993 23
Adam Humphries WR Buccaneers 6/24/1993 23
Kevin White WR Bears 6/25/1993 23
Donte Moncrief WR Colts 8/6/1993 22
Mike Evans WR Buccaneers 8/21/1993 22
Allen Robinson WR Jaguars 8/24/1993 22
Brandin Cooks WR Saints 9/25/1993 22
Stefon Diggs WR Vikings 11/29/1993 22
Sterling Shepard WR Giants 2/10/1994 22
Will Fuller WR Texans 4/16/1994 22
Devin Funchess WR Panthers 5/21/1994 22
Amari Cooper WR Raiders 6/17/1994 22
Corey Coleman WR Browns 7/6/1994 21
Tyler Boyd WR Bengals 11/15/1994 21
Laquon Treadwell WR Vikings 6/14/1995 21

http://www.phillyvoice.com/nfl-age-inventory-offensive-skill-positions/

[Fritz]

I said cut both. But on second thought, Cobb may have a little more tread on the tire. He looks dead, but lets see rest of season.

I thinks Ted says Siyanora to Cobb. Nelson comes back, Clark steps up, Ted drafts a second-round wonder.

[pbmax]

Neither are going anywhere. Even if you cut one, who is ready to be #3?

Maybe, maybe, if they move Monty back to WR they may let Cobb go as Monty can play he slot.

[Tony Oday]

Cut Cobb, Restructure CMIII and make sure TT still is $10 mil under the cap.

[woodbuck27]

For one more Season if TT can swing it..keep both Cobb and Nelson.

Get rid of Clay Mathews ..he is done as a Packer.

[hoosier]

Impossible to know what they still have in Nelson and Cobb until there is a real QB back there. I would punt, draft a receiver on second day (pass rusher on first), and make the big decision about the dinosaurs in August.

[yetisnowman]

Neither are going anywhere. Even if you cut one, who is ready to be #3?

Maybe, maybe, if they move Monty back to WR they may let Cobb go as Monty can play he slot.

I know this is going to sound crazy, but hear me out....
Since Cobb and Nelson appear to no longer be effective as #2, or #3 options you address it by adding WRs through free agency, the draft and/or trades.

Unless you think having a 34 year old who can't gain a yard on a wr screen as your #2, #3 is a viable option for another year.

[pbmax]

I know this is going to sound crazy, but hear me out....
Since Cobb and Nelson appear to no longer be effective as #2, or #3 options you address it by adding WRs through free agency, the draft and/or trades.

Unless you think having a 34 year old who can't gain a yard on a wr screen as your #2, #3 is a viable option for another year.

Lotta effective 34 yo WRs. No reason to dump him because Hundley can't find him, he was doing fine with Rodgers but he is not the same player. FA is mixed bag. They are all on market for same reason Nelson would be; no longer the same value or talent. You have to replace the talent AND get him for cheaper to make a switch pay off unless you have a younger player ready to go.

Cobb is slightly different as he might be effectively replaced by Monty. But that requires another position switch.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Cobb is slightly different as he might be effectively replaced by Monty. But that requires another position switch.

Ya, I forgot about that.

Wait a sec, Cobb does have some QB experience....

[Harlan Huckleby]

Lotta effective 34 yo WRs.

See my list above, fuck face. They are rare.

Jordy will be serious contender for oldest wideout in league.

But I do hedge my bet just cause Jordy has worked magic with AROD for a long time with timing.

[mraynrand]

I bet they can get these guys back for Packer-friendly contracts. Or they can start practicing to take over for Jennings when he gets fired.

[pbmax]

Jordy Ray Nelson (born May 31, 1985), aged 32 currently, will be 33 at the start of the 2017-18 season.

Here is a partial list of some good seasons by WR 33 years old or more. See if you recognize any of the names as quality WR vets.



Game Game Rece Rece Rece Rece Rece Rece Rece Rece
Rk Player Year Age Tm Lg G GS Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Y/G Ctch% Y/Tgt
1 Jerry Rice* 1995 33 SFO NFL 16 16 176 122 1848 15.15 15 115.5 69.3% 10.50
2 Anquan Boldin 2013 33 SFO NFL 16 16 129 85 1179 13.87 7 73.7 65.9% 9.14
3 Anquan Boldin 2014 34 SFO NFL 16 16 130 83 1062 12.80 5 66.4 63.8% 8.17
4 Tim Brown* 2002 36 OAK NFL 16 16 127 81 930 11.48 2 58.1 63.8% 7.32
5 Tim Brown* 2000 34 OAK NFL 16 16 133 76 1128 14.84 11 70.5 57.1% 8.48
6 Tim Brown* 2001 35 OAK NFL 16 16 140 91 1165 12.80 9 72.8 65.0% 8.32
7 Tim Brown* 1999 33 OAK NFL 16 16 145 90 1344 14.93 6 84.0 62.1% 9.27
8 Isaac Bruce 2008 36 SFO NFL 16 15 108 61 835 13.69 7 52.2 56.5% 7.73
9 Isaac Bruce 2006 34 STL NFL 16 13 126 74 1098 14.84 3 68.6 58.7% 8.71
10 Cris Carter* 2000 35 MIN NFL 16 16 161 96 1274 13.27 9 79.6 59.6% 7.91
11 Cris Carter* 1998 33 MIN NFL 16 16 125 78 1011 12.96 12 63.2 62.4% 8.09
12 Cris Carter* 2001 36 MIN NFL 16 16 130 73 871 11.93 6 54.4 56.2% 6.70
13 Cris Carter* 1999 34 MIN NFL 16 16 137 90 1241 13.79 13 77.6 65.7% 9.06
14 Donald Driver 2008 33 GNB NFL 16 16 116 74 1012 13.68 5 63.3 63.8% 8.72
15 Donald Driver 2009 34 GNB NFL 16 16 113 70 1061 15.16 6 66.3 61.9% 9.39
16 Henry Ellard 1996 35 WAS NFL 16 16 98 52 1014 19.50 2 63.4 53.1% 10.35
17 Henry Ellard 1994 33 WAS NFL 16 16 150 74 1397 18.88 6 87.3 49.3% 9.31
18 Henry Ellard 1995 34 WAS NFL 15 15 113 56 1005 17.95 5 67.0 49.6% 8.89
19 Bobby Engram 2007 34 SEA NFL 16 13 134 94 1147 12.20 6 71.7 70.1% 8.56
20 Larry Fitzgerald 2017 34 ARI NFL 12 12 116 82 878 10.71 5 73.2 70.7% 7.57
21 Larry Fitzgerald 2016 33 ARI NFL 16 16 150 107 1023 9.56 6 63.9 71.3% 6.82
22 Malcom Floyd 2014 33 SDG NFL 16 16 92 52 856 16.46 6 53.5 56.5% 9.30
23 Irving Fryar 1997 35 PHI NFL 16 16 153 86 1316 15.30 6 82.3 56.2% 8.60
24 Irving Fryar 1995 33 MIA NFL 16 16 109 62 910 14.68 8 56.9 56.9% 8.35
25 Irving Fryar 1996 34 PHI NFL 16 16 152 88 1195 13.58 11 74.7 57.9% 7.86
26 Joey Galloway 2007 36 TAM NFL 15 15 98 57 1014 17.79 6 67.6 58.2% 10.35
27 Joey Galloway 2005 34 TAM NFL 16 16 152 83 1287 15.51 10 80.4 54.6% 8.47
28 Joey Galloway 2006 35 TAM NFL 16 14 143 62 1057 17.05 7 66.1 43.4% 7.39
29 Antonio Gates 2014 34 SDG NFL 16 14 98 69 821 11.90 12 51.3 70.4% 8.38
30 Antonio Gates 2013 33 SDG NFL 16 15 114 77 872 11.32 4 54.5 67.5% 7.65
31 Tony Gonzalez 2013 37 ATL NFL 16 16 121 83 859 10.35 8 53.7 68.6% 7.10
32 Tony Gonzalez 2011 35 ATL NFL 16 16 116 80 875 10.94 7 54.7 69.0% 7.54
33 Tony Gonzalez 2012 36 ATL NFL 16 16 124 93 930 10.00 8 58.1 75.0% 7.50
34 Tony Gonzalez 2009 33 ATL NFL 16 16 134 83 867 10.45 6 54.2 61.9% 6.47
35 Marvin Harrison* 2005 33 IND NFL 15 15 134 82 1146 13.98 12 76.4 61.2% 8.55
36 Marvin Harrison* 2006 34 IND NFL 16 16 148 95 1366 14.38 12 85.4 64.2% 9.23
37 Andre Johnson 2014 33 HOU NFL 15 15 146 85 936 11.01 3 62.4 58.2% 6.41
38 Keyshawn Johnson 2006 34 CAR NFL 16 16 128 70 815 11.64 4 50.9 54.7% 6.37
39 Keyshawn Johnson 2005 33 DAL NFL 16 14 123 71 839 11.82 6 52.4 57.7% 6.82
40 Eddie Kennison 2006 33 KAN NFL 16 16 101 53 860 16.23 5 53.8 52.5% 8.51
41 Tony Martin 1998 33 ATL NFL 16 16 131 66 1181 17.89 6 73.8 50.4% 9.02
42 Tony Martin 1999 34 MIA NFL 16 13 117 67 1037 15.48 5 64.8 57.3% 8.86
43 Derrick Mason 2010 36 BAL NFL 16 15 100 61 802 13.15 7 50.1 61.0% 8.02
44 Derrick Mason 2008 34 BAL NFL 16 16 121 80 1037 12.96 5 64.8 66.1% 8.57
45 Derrick Mason 2009 35 BAL NFL 16 16 134 73 1028 14.08 7 64.3 54.5% 7.67
46 Derrick Mason 2007 33 BAL NFL 16 16 164 103 1087 10.55 5 67.9 62.8% 6.63
47 Ed McCaffrey 2002 34 DEN NFL 16 16 103 69 903 13.09 2 56.4 67.0% 8.77
48 Keenan McCardell 2003 33 TAM NFL 16 16 139 84 1174 13.98 8 73.4 60.4% 8.45
49 Keenan McCardell 2005 35 SDG NFL 16 16 108 70 917 13.10 9 57.3 64.8% 8.49
50 Muhsin Muhammad 2006 33 CHI NFL 16 16 117 60 863 14.38 5 53.9 51.3% 7.38
51 Muhsin Muhammad 2008 35 CAR NFL 16 15 107 65 923 14.20 5 57.7 60.7% 8.63
52 Terrell Owens 2009 36 BUF NFL 16 16 109 55 829 15.07 5 51.8 50.5% 7.61
53 Terrell Owens 2007 34 DAL NFL 15 15 141 81 1355 16.73 15 90.3 57.4% 9.61
54 Terrell Owens 2010 37 CIN NFL 14 11 139 72 983 13.65 9 70.2 51.8% 7.07
55 Terrell Owens 2008 35 DAL NFL 16 16 140 69 1052 15.25 10 65.8 49.3% 7.51
56 Terrell Owens 2006 33 DAL NFL 16 15 150 85 1180 13.88 13 73.8 56.7% 7.87
57 Andre Reed* 1997 33 BUF NFL 15 15 114 60 880 14.67 5 58.7 52.6% 7.72
58 Jerry Rice* 2002 40 OAK NFL 16 16 150 92 1211 13.16 7 75.7 61.3% 8.07
59 Jerry Rice* 2000 38 SFO NFL 16 16 122 75 805 10.73 7 50.3 61.5% 6.60
60 Jerry Rice* 1998 36 SFO NFL 16 16 151 82 1157 14.11 9 72.3 54.3% 7.66
61 Jerry Rice* 2003 41 OAK NFL 16 15 124 63 869 13.79 2 54.3 50.8% 7.01
62 Jerry Rice* 2001 39 OAK NFL 16 15 125 83 1139 13.72 9 71.2 66.4% 9.11
63 Jerry Rice* 1999 37 SFO NFL 16 16 124 67 830 12.39 5 51.9 54.0% 6.69
64 Jerry Rice* 1996 34 SFO NFL 16 16 153 108 1254 11.61 8 78.4 70.6% 8.20
65 Shannon Sharpe* 2001 33 BAL NFL 16 15 114 73 811 11.11 2 50.7 64.0% 7.11
66 Jimmy Smith 2004 35 JAX NFL 16 16 137 74 1172 15.84 6 73.3 54.0% 8.55
67 Jimmy Smith 2002 33 JAX NFL 16 16 137 80 1027 12.84 7 64.2 58.4% 7.50
68 Jimmy Smith 2005 36 JAX NFL 16 16 128 70 1023 14.61 6 63.9 54.7% 7.99
69 Jimmy Smith 2003 34 JAX NFL 12 12 112 54 805 14.91 4 67.1 48.2% 7.19
70 Rod Smith 2005 35 DEN NFL 16 16 126 85 1105 13.00 6 69.1 67.5% 8.77
71 Rod Smith 2003 33 DEN NFL 15 15 114 74 845 11.42 3 56.3 64.9% 7.41
72 Rod Smith 2004 34 DEN NFL 16 16 136 79 1144 14.48 7 71.5 58.1% 8.41
73 Steve Smith 2012 33 CAR NFL 16 16 137 73 1174 16.08 4 73.4 53.3% 8.57
74 Steve Smith 2014 35 BAL NFL 16 16 134 79 1065 13.48 6 66.6 59.0% 7.95
75 Wesley Walls 1999 33 CAR NFL 16 16 108 63 822 13.05 12 51.4 58.3% 7.61
76 Hines Ward 2009 33 PIT NFL 16 16 137 95 1167 12.28 6 72.9 69.3% 8.52
77 Ben Watson 2015 35 NOR NFL 16 16 110 74 825 11.15 6 51.6 67.3% 7.50
78 Reggie Wayne 2012 34 IND NFL 16 15 195 106 1355 12.78 5 84.7 54.4% 6.95
79 Reggie Wayne 2011 33 IND NFL 16 16 132 75 960 12.80 4 60.0 56.8% 7.27
80 Roddy White 2014 33 ATL NFL 14 14 125 80 921 11.51 7 65.8 64.0% 7.37


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[pbmax]

See my list above, fuck face. They are rare.

Jordy will be serious contender for oldest wideout in league.

But I do hedge my bet just cause Jordy has worked magic with AROD for a long time with timing.

You should have hedged your bet for more reasons than that:

1. Your chart is out of date for ages, it lists Larry Fitzgerald as 32 when he is 34
2. Anquan Boldin retiring this year because of the Bills dismantling their roster skewed your list
3. 39 year old Steve Smith retired this year before the season
4. There are 3 - 34 yo WRs in the League playing this year, 2 of which are starting

[Pugger]

Impossible to know what they still have in Nelson and Cobb until there is a real QB back there. I would punt, draft a receiver on second day (pass rusher on first), and make the big decision about the dinosaurs in August.

GMTA

[Harlan Huckleby]

1. Your chart is out of date for ages, it lists Larry Fitzgerald as 32 when he is 34
Reread the post with the list, it has a custom insult for you. :)

You make the point that historically there have been many successful old guys. It's also true that there are currently very few old WRs, with Jordy possibly being oldest next year. Has NFL gotten to be younger game?

[Zool]

Neither are going anywhere. Even if you cut one, who is ready to be #3?

Maybe, maybe, if they move Monty back to WR they may let Cobb go as Monty can play he slot.

That would put about $40mil at the WR position for next season. Doesn’t seem likely

[Bretsky]

That would put about $40mil at the WR position for next season. Doesn’t seem likely

I have been thinking about this as well....MM is a decent WR and just might flip back there.

I could see Jordy taking re doing his contract and Cobb let go.

We can't pay about 35-40G at this position.

[pbmax]

That would put about $40mil at the WR position for next season. Doesn’t seem likely

I invoke the rule of KGB. Until you can replace him, you pay him :lol:

[texaspackerbacker]

It's all about the cost to keep them. Both of them have been exposed as being nothing special without Aaron Rodgers. I don't think we would be distinctly worse off with somebody else replacing them. Ideally, we get one or more WRs who are capable of getting separation from DBs regularly, but there aren't that many of them around.

This reminds me of the Packers DB situation - we have a lot of guys who would be adequate #2 Corners, but no star shut down guy. Similarly, Nelson, Cobb, Adams, and the rest all are adequate but not star quality and not worth breaking the bank to keep.

[bobblehead]

Jerry Rice* 2002 40 OAK NFL 16 16 150 92 1211 13.16 7 75.7 61.3% 8.07

Fucking A

[call_me_ishmael]

I don't think they'll cut either of them because last year if the next year of both of their deals. I don't see Cobb being extended again unless it's for dramatically less money. I could see Nelson redoing his deal and adding a year to it, so 2018 and 2019 at 3-5M per year so he can retire a Packer.

[red]

one thing about cutting then is , why do we need too?

sure the guys are under performing greatly, but as it stands right now, without cutting anyone or re signing anyone, we're looking at somewhere between 30-40 million in free cap space

morgan burnett, davonte and linsley are the only big free agents. they aren't gonna take up 30 million. if we give a-rod another 5 million a year we might take up 20 million against next years cap.

and after the mess with FA this year, i doubt TT will jump back in with both feet. so that still leaves us with a lot of cap space

we really don't need to cut anyone, no matter how shitty they are

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

one thing about cutting then is , why do we need too?

sure the guys are under performing greatly, but as it stands right now, without cutting anyone or re signing anyone, we're looking at somewhere between 30-40 million in free cap space

morgan burnett, davonte and linsley are the only big free agents. they aren't gonna take up 30 million. if we give a-rod another 5 million a year we might take up 20 million against next years cap.

and after the mess with FA this year, i doubt TT will jump back in with both feet. so that still leaves us with a lot of cap space

we really don't need to cut anyone, no matter how shitty they are

Ah yes, a very sad sad commentary on the current state of the Green Bay packers...

[Pugger]

That would put about $40mil at the WR position for next season. Doesn’t seem likely

How many WRs do we normally keep, 4/5? If we put $40M at this position isn't that around 10M per player? Looking at it that way 40M doesn't seem like an exorbitant amount.

[ThunderDan]

one thing about cutting then is , why do we need too?

sure the guys are under performing greatly, but as it stands right now, without cutting anyone or re signing anyone, we're looking at somewhere between 30-40 million in free cap space

morgan burnett, davonte and linsley are the only big free agents. they aren't gonna take up 30 million. if we give a-rod another 5 million a year we might take up 20 million against next years cap.

and after the mess with FA this year, i doubt TT will jump back in with both feet. so that still leaves us with a lot of cap space

we really don't need to cut anyone, no matter how shitty they are
The thing we never here about as fans is when the team asks players to take a pay cut or be released and the player chooses the pay cut. No agent is going to brag about the great deal they got their client.

It wouldn’t surprise me if the Packers “restructure” Clay because the cap hit is gone after this year. He is underperforming his contract.

[mraynrand]

Ah yes, a very sad sad commentary on the current state of the Green Bay packers...

Let us not be downhearted. One total catastrophe like this is just the beginning!

[ThunderDan]

Just think if the Packers cut either Cobb or Nelson and the player they replace them with does well but not great. A certain group of posters will complain that TT will not surround ARod with the talent he needs.

[mraynrand]

A certain group of posters will complain that TT will not surround ARod with the talent he needs.

no way that happens here

[woodbuck27]

I invoke the rule of KGB. Until you can replace him, you pay him :lol:

Get them back for 'the one shot Rip' next Season.

The Window and Aaron Rodgers is closing and may have already closed in Green Bay.

[ThunderDan]

no way that happens here

Sure it does, I’ve even seen it as someone’s signature on this website to remind us.

[woodbuck27]

Just think if the Packers cut either Cobb or Nelson and the player they replace them with does well but not great. A certain group of posters will complain that TT will not surround ARod with the talent he needs.

Put me on 'the List'. :pack:

I am a Packer fan that expects what I expect of myself.

Perfection or close to perfection as a Competitor. I don't compete to lose but rather win.

I want a real Super Bowl competitive Packer Team not a wanna be.

TT has not demonstrated that he's the GM that will help Aaron Rodgers win that second Super Bowl Ring.

His so deemed 'Draft and Develop Program' is overall 'a Fail' in my view. For all of the Rah Rah and TT's prowess as a Draft Expert:

I don't see it that way.

I'll shout to the Heavens when TT and MM and Dom Capers are all gone.

[woodbuck27]

The thing we never here about as fans is when the team asks players to take a pay cut or be released and the player chooses the pay cut. No agent is going to brag about the great deal they got their client.

It wouldn’t surprise me if the Packers “restructure” Clay because the cap hit is gone after this year. He is underperforming his contract.

Originally Posted by swede
" A billion monkeys on a billion keyboards will eventually write a Shakespearean play.
Twenty monkeys in twenty minutes could probably manage a Woodbuck post."

It took only one Poster (ThunderDan) to elect to disrespect himself; by carrying around such an immature uncool example of his obvious 'bad manners' :cnf: as this':

" A billion monkeys on a billion keyboards will eventually write a Shakespearean play.Twenty monkeys in twenty minutes could probably manage a Woodbuck post." Quote Originally Posted by swede

[mraynrand]

It took only one Poster (ThunderDan) to elect to disrespect himself; by carrying around such an immature uncool example of his obvious 'bad manners' :cnf: as this':

" A billion monkeys on a billion keyboards will eventually write a Shakespearean play.Twenty monkeys in twenty minutes could probably manage a Woodbuck post." Quote Originally Posted by swede

seems sarcastic

[red]

lol, thats a great line though

[Zool]

How many WRs do we normally keep, 4/5? If we put $40M at this position isn't that around 10M per player? Looking at it that way 40M doesn't seem like an exorbitant amount.

I think, and I could be wrong, that the money guys assign a dollar figure to each position group. Hard to take up 30% of the cap on a group that’s not tops in the NFL. Next year the QB spot will take up $25 or more. The OLB group be at $25 or more. Those 3 groups would then leave $35mil for the rest of the team. Doesn’t seem like the math would work out.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Still no answer to question "Why are WRs so young in 2018?" There have been many past greats mentioned, but it looks like there's been a change. Is it the salary cap? The way WRs are used? You might expect WRs to last longer with the Chuck Cecils gone. Or maybe just a statistical quirk of this year. Jordy is an outlier now.

[hoosier]

Still no answer to question "Why are WRs so young in 2018?" There have been many past greats mentioned, but it looks like there's been a change. Is it the salary cap? The way WRs are used? You might expect WRs to last longer with the Chuck Cecils gone. Or maybe just a statistical quirk of this year. Jordy is an outlier now.

Maybe it's the way the game is changing. Increasing emphasis on short passing = greater need for quickness. Nah, a savvy route runner like Rice would flourish in any age and any environment.

[pbmax]

The last CBA has put even more emphasis on younger, cheaper, salary-controllable players versus veterans. Its this way for all positions.

I don't think you can say WR is appreciably younger when you just lost 37 year old Steve Smith and 4 34 year olds are running around. Its always been a young man's game.

[Cheesehead Craig]

I think, and I could be wrong, that the money guys assign a dollar figure to each position group. Hard to take up 30% of the cap on a group that’s not tops in the NFL. Next year the QB spot will take up $25 or more. The OLB group be at $25 or more. Those 3 groups would then leave $35mil for the rest of the team. Doesn’t seem like the math would work out.

Agree with this. Adam's is a must keep and IMO, they should cut Cobb and keep Jordy. Cobb just isn't worth the money.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I don't think you can say WR is appreciably younger when you just lost 37 year old Steve Smith and 4 34 year olds are running around. Its always been a young man's game.

4 out of a list of 96 players. Stop it. And some of those 4 may retire before 2018 season.

You or somebody gave me a long list of old greats. Hardly any today, although Larry Fitzgerald grinds on. I was surprised at how many WRs are under 25. I expected a half dozen guys over 35. Maybe it has always been this way, but I wonder.