Official Packers - Browns Game Day Thread

[Fosco33]

Looking lost

[pbmax]

Why are the safeties 15 yards deep on third and short? I'd tether they get beat deep at this point.

I agree.

[beveaux1]

Good stop.

[Harlan Huckleby]

You'd think Browns would go after secondary

[red]

STOP LETTING IT GO

[Teamcheez1]

Catch the damn ball Davis!!!

[ThunderDan]

Dang, long drive is needed.

[pbmax]

Dial with initial hit.

[red]

how many yards had davis coast us today, 30? at least

[Maxie the Taxi]

Careful now, this is Pick Six territory.

[Fosco33]

Guess this is one of last shots at the season

[Bossman641]

I swear we've had more drives start from inside the 10 then any other year i can remember

[pbmax]

Davis WTF?

[ThunderDan]

STOP LETTING IT GO

Yeah but crazy wind today blowing off the lake is probably make it hard to.

[beveaux1]

STOP LETTING IT GO

I don't think he could get to it. It was only 35 yds in the air and nearly to the sideline.

[pbmax]

GERONIMO!!

[Bossman641]

95 yard drive at 4 yards per play..

[red]

Yeah but crazy wind today blowing off the lake is probably make it hard to.

how close is that stadium to the lake, is it like soldiers field?

[pbmax]

Nice!! Take what they are stupidly giving you with more than 8 minutes left

[pbmax]

how close is that stadium to the lake, is it like soldiers field?

Yes

[Maxie the Taxi]

Browns have gone to the Capers' defense.

[ThunderDan]

how close is that stadium to the lake, is it like soldiers field?

Yes, I believe so.

[pbmax]

Just no snap to Jordy's legs.

[pbmax]

He was open.

[Rutnstrut]

Whatever you do, don't run the ball.

[red]

Just no snap to Jordy's legs.

yeah, he's close to done

[red]

why in the hell are some penalties automatic first downs?

i never understood the reasoning behind those

why wouldn't it just be 3rd and 5?

[ThunderDan]

Come on O. Keep it going.

[Rutnstrut]

Yup pass every fucking down stubby you predictable POS.

[Teamcheez1]

MM trusts his defense?

Well, you certainly can't trust the offense.

[Fosco33]

This is why I'm on the coach.

[red]

fuck

gonna put it on the shoulders of our D

[SMBASS]

Putting it on the back of our D to make a stop again. Lol...

[pbmax]

how close is that stadium to the lake, is it like soldiers field?


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQtnK0DXcAIaXkj.jpg:large

[beveaux1]

Couldn't give the ball up in our territory. Too close to FG range. Punt was the right call.

[Fosco33]

Yes, I believe so.
It's right on lakeshore

[pbmax]

I am really on the fence about that punt. Putting it in the end zone doesn't help much.

But running game has been hit or miss. Need to pass for first and that means scheming someone open fast. Browns will bring the house.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Bwak Bwak Bwak MM! Chicken.

[Tony Oday]

Season is over. Losing to the Browns...wow.

[yetisnowman]

Nice we netted 35 yds punting down 7 on 4th and 2 with 5 minutes left. If we lose this game its on McCarthy.

[gbgary]

the defense is broken and he punts.

[Teamcheez1]

Browns surprise us with the run.

[MadScientist]

So will the Packers even get the ball back?

[Fosco33]

So it's their RB and QBs best games of the year. Just saying

[Rutnstrut]

I am really on the fence about that punt. Putting it in the end zone doesn't help much.

But running game has been hit or miss. Need to pass for first and that means scheming someone open fast. Browns will bring the house.

What running game. Dumbfuck stubby abandoned it before giving it much of a shot.

[pbmax]

Ryan in wrong gap.

[ThunderDan]

Looked like Ryan in the wrong hole.

[Fosco33]

Browns surprise us with the run.

Ha!

[red]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQtnK0DXcAIaXkj.jpg:large

you think it would be a bad idea putting a stadium and parking that close to water for the worst team in the nfl

just think of all the bodies floating around on mondays

[pbmax]

On the plus side it wasn't cover 2

[Teamcheez1]

If the Packers lose it will all be about the injuries. The coaches get a pass.

[Harlan Huckleby]

If I'm the Browns I pass. Gotta go against the weakness of the D.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Perfect time for a Cleveland screen pass on third down.

[Bossman641]

So it's their RB and QBs best games of the year. Just saying

Ya that's pretty damning

[red]

the defense is broken and he punts.

offense is just as broken

i'd say that the odds of the defense scoring are probably pretty close to the offense scoring right now

[pbmax]

If I'm the Browns I pass. Gotta go against the weakness of the D.

The opposing coach is Hue Jackson. He's failed before.

[gbgary]

Hundley thinking now that he's got 3 more games.

[red]

LOL

WOW, what a catch

[ThunderDan]

How did he catch that?

[red]

great replay fox, you almost had the guy on the screen

[beveaux1]

Incomplete.

[ThunderDan]

Incomplete.

[pbmax]

Josh Jones with some coverage.

[red]

why is every camera angle zoomed all the way out

rand can probably see the fucking play better then us

[Rutnstrut]

The opposing coach is Hue Jackson. He's failed before.

But he's failing less today than stubby...

[Teamcheez1]

Hundley thinking now that he's got 3 more games.

Hundley will be a back-up for the Packers next year, then be out of the NFL.

[beveaux1]

Good challenge.

[pbmax]

But he's failing less today than stubby...

True so far.

[beveaux1]

What a return!

[Fosco33]

Wow.

[MadScientist]

Good challenge.

Fortunately there was one angle that showed it. The others were blocked.


What a return by Davis!

[red]

jesus lol

great return, but i thought our guy was gonna take him out

[Harlan Huckleby]

who goes for 2 points?

[gbgary]

Hundley will be a back-up for the Packers next year, then be out of the NFL.

no doubt but I was speaking of this season... starting.

[pbmax]

WHOOOOOOOOOO!!


I can't believe that cutback didn't put someone into a block in the back or holding call!

[ThunderDan]

Yeah baby! Great dancing before you go up field!

[pbmax]

who goes for 2 points?

I do.

[Maxie the Taxi]

who goes for 2 points?Just thinking the same thing...but not a chance in hell Stubby does that.

[red]

that was such a weak effort by their punter

[gbgary]

who goes for 2 points?

mm won't do it.

[Fosco33]

2pt vs pat. Jesh. Normally I'd say 2 on the road but I'd kick

[Cheesehead Craig]

That should have been a tripping call on the punter.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Alexa, will Fat Mike go for 2?

[beveaux1]

Guys, we gotta score first.

[red]

who goes for 2 points?

we gotta get a TD first

stubby might go ahead and kick the FG here, then hope the D holds again, so we get the ball back

[ThunderDan]

who goes for 2 points?

We are 2-0 in OT and the Browns are choking in the 4th quarter again. Take it to OT.

[Guiness]

you think it would be a bad idea putting a stadium and parking that close to water for the worst team in the nfl

just think of all the bodies floating around on mondays

I think a few more jumped in after that kick-off return coverage

[red]

That should have been a tripping call on the punter.

the refs were probably laughing too hard at him like i was

[Harlan Huckleby]

we gotta get a TD first

ok, Vince


one play at a time.

[SMBASS]

You know Cleveland is a true factory of sadness when Davis actually catches a punt and gets a big return at a critical point in the game.

[Rutnstrut]

Holy shit they used a lot of time for that shitty play.

[Maxie the Taxi]

We might run out of time. LOL

[pbmax]

I think the V-chip in my TV is trying to erase Gregg Williams from televised existence.

[Rutnstrut]

Stubby the master clock manager.

[red]

Holy shit they used a lot of time for that shitty play.

they aren't getting the ball back though

[beveaux1]

TD Hundley.

[red]

TD???????

no signal

[Bossman641]

Short

[ThunderDan]

Stubby the master clock manager.

Less time for Cleveland.

[Guiness]

Designed run?

[beveaux1]

Maybe not.

[red]

knee was down, ball at the half yard line

are we out of TOs?

so we can't run it

[Cheesehead Craig]

Short, but a great play call

[MadScientist]

Definitely short.

[pbmax]

Designed run?

Looked like it.

[red]

a-rod telling him to spike it

[Harlan Huckleby]

It's a first down in any event. They are fine. do a spike.

[beveaux1]

Play needs to be ready.

[red]

a-rod telling stubby what play to call

[ThunderDan]

a-rod telling him to spike it

Don't spike it, be ready to run the play right away.

[Harlan Huckleby]

plenty of time

[beveaux1]

TD Adams

[George Cumby]

Lol

[pbmax]

that is the one throw he loves to make

[gbgary]

nice.

[Harlan Huckleby]

they scored too soon

[Maxie the Taxi]

Arod motioning to spike was a decoy.

[Cheesehead Craig]

That was pretty

[beveaux1]

Might be OT.

[ThunderDan]

TD Adams from Hundley.

[SMBASS]

Nice call and execution on 1st for the TD.

[red]

that was called on the sideline by a-rod. 100%

you could see him on the sideline using his hands to tell M3 how it will work

[pbmax]

Don't spike it, be ready to run the play right away.

I think Rodgers agreed with you

[Maxie the Taxi]

Now D has to hold them. LOL

[MadScientist]

Another week another OT game against a shitty opponent.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Arod motioning to spike was a decoy.

he was making a jack-off gesture. rude.

[Rutnstrut]

a-rod telling stubby what play to call

I love that, even more proof that a-rod is the reason stubby is anything.

[Fosco33]

Browns have lost 3 or 4 games by 3 pts. One in OT

[pbmax]

Yoop called the OT.

[Harlan Huckleby]

how does OT work. penalty kicks, right?

[Maxie the Taxi]

he was making a jack-off gesture. rude.Do you know what the origin of jack-off is? ....really, I don't know...

[pbmax]

Hornung jersey in stands. Nice call back.

[gbgary]

D needs a 3 and out.

[Harlan Huckleby]

"we're gonna play modified sudden death"
do refs make their own plan?

[pbmax]

Tails failed.

[beveaux1]

Can't defend the pass. Can't defend the run. We need a turnover.

[red]

LOL

we're in OT against the fucking browns

OH WHAT SAD TIMES ARE THESE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Rutnstrut]

Tails failed.

it usually does at least half the time.

[Maxie the Taxi]

LOL

we're in OT against the fucking browns

OH WHAT SAD TIMES ARE THESE!!!!!!!!!!!!!Dilly! Dilly!

[Harlan Huckleby]

Do you know what the origin of jack-off is? ....really, I don't know...

bad old joke.

If Jack helped you on a horse, would you help Jack off a horse?

I don't really get it.

[Teamcheez1]

The Browns are cursed. They will find a way to lose.

[Guiness]

how does OT work. penalty kicks, right?

shin kicking competition

[red]

Do you know what the origin of jack-off is? ....really, I don't know...

i guy named jack osoloff in the 16th century got a little too aggressive one night and yanked his off

[pbmax]

"we're gonna play modified sudden death"
do refs make their own plan?

The whole thing sounded like he was making it up as he went along. Like dealer's choice game.

[pbmax]

I forgot how rooting for mediocre teams is exhausting.

[Maxie the Taxi]

That weak run was encouraging.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Packers have tight ends playing corner back, so they run it.
ok

[Maxie the Taxi]

Watch out for the deadly screen pass.

[beveaux1]

Picked off!

[red]

WOW

kick it and go home

[ThunderDan]

Josh Jones with the int.

[pbmax]

INT!!!!

JONES CAUGHT IT MATTHEWS FORCED IT!!

[Maxie the Taxi]

Kiser might be worse than Hundley.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Browns have a worse QB

[gbgary]

CLAY

[pbmax]

Randall with veteran holding on Gordon.

[MadScientist]

How was that not defensive holding against Randall.

Stupid throw by Kizer.

[Guiness]

why the FUCK did he throw that???

[Bossman641]

Let's go!!!!

[red]

how did jones hold on to that ball with 4 other packers trying to fuck it up?

[Harlan Huckleby]

Their coach looks like he going to cry

[red]

don't lower your head like that rook

[gbgary]

got to get a first down here!!

[red]

Their coach looks like he going to cry

he shouldn't, he's job is more secure then any other coach in the NFL

[ThunderDan]

Don't play for the FG attempt.

Play for a couple first downs.

[Bossman641]

Are packers going heavy on Williams cause Jones fucked up the 4th down? Looked like hundley fault

[red]

what are we looking at 50-51 yarder from here, with the wind?

[SMBASS]

how did jones hold on to that ball with 4 other packers trying to fuck it up?

No shit...I'm shocked they didn't knock it away from each other in that scrum.

[beveaux1]

Adams is clutch.

[red]

there we go

[SMBASS]

Clutch 3rd down throw and catch.

[pbmax]

Nice slant completion. Contested hard.

[red]

Don't play for the FG attempt.

Play for a couple first downs.

i honestly don't trust our guys not to turn it over

like that

[pbmax]

Don't run two more times.

[ThunderDan]

Down plus a facemask. No fumble.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Cobb is a first down machine.

[red]

hundley yelling at the sideline

looks like a trend

[Rutnstrut]

Cobb is a first down machine.

Except that wasn't.

[beveaux1]

Adams is clutch!!

[ThunderDan]

Yup, Thom and Chris, Hundley is worth at least a 2nd round pick.

[red]

TD

great play

[Bossman641]

Hell fuckin ya

[pbmax]

TALENT WINS OUT!!

DA!!

[Harlan Huckleby]

Browns slayers!

[ThunderDan]

Boom, Humdley two come back wins back to back.

ARod could never close out games to start his career.

[red]

should have done the mic drop heading to the tunnel

[Joemailman]

Come on bone density!

[mraynrand]

Stubby with huge grin heading out the tunnel

[TravisWilliams23]

Come on bone density!

That's what she said!

[Guiness]

Yup, Thom and Chris, Hundley is worth at least a 2nd round pick.

ok, I didn't imagine that. Was worried my girlfriend roofied me

[Fosco33]

Adams is the real deal. And we should be happy w/ the win. But it's the Browns. Needed blown plays, fake punts, OT and bad throws to win. W is W but jebus

[Maxie the Taxi]

Stubby with huge grin heading out the tunnelHe knows he saved his job. LOL

[pbmax]

Stubby with huge grin heading out the tunnel

Saved him a lot of trouble today.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Adams is the real deal. And we should be happy w/ the win. But it's the Browns. Needed blown plays, fake punts, OT and bad throws to win. W is W but jebusAnd don't forget the favorable penalties. Browns are pathetic.

[denverYooper]

Come on bone density!

LOL

[ThunderDan]

Season is over. Losing to the Browns...wow.

Or not.

[beveaux1]

Yup, Thom and Chris, Hundley is worth at least a 2nd round pick.

I think you're saying this facetiously. We made it through the Hundley part of our schedule going 3-5 beating the Bears, the Bucs in OT, and the Browns in OT. Not great, but at least we held serve today.

[Joemailman]

Browns have perfected losing.

[ThunderDan]

Adams is the real deal. And we should be happy w/ the win. But it's the Browns. Needed blown plays, fake punts, OT and bad throws to win. W is W but jebus
I thought Dom had to go after last year. Dom needs to go after this year.

[ThunderDan]

I think you're saying this facetiously. We made it through the Hundley part of our schedule going 3-5 beating the Bears, the Bucs in OT, and the Browns in OT. Not great, but at least we held serve today.

Just making fun of the announcers.

Hundley may be our long-term backup. Not good enough to start just good enough to win against the bad teams.

[Fosco33]

http://southpark.cc.com/clips/151766/the-brown-noise

[Joemailman]

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

No!

[denverYooper]

Looks like I might be training for a winter marathon.

[mraynrand]

ok, I didn't imagine that. Was worried my girlfriend roofied me

Hahahahaha

[mraynrand]

I thought Dom had to go after last year. Dom needs to go after this year.

They yielded 21 points

[ThunderDan]

They yielded 21 points

To a team that averages a little over 15.

[Fritz]

Stubby with huge grin heading out the tunnel

He knows there is a Golden Corral right around the corner from the stadium.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Come on bone density!

I wrote the software for a bone density scanner back in the day. Well, a professor did the fancy thinking, I was his programming monkey. GE bought the startup and most bone density scanners sold are based on that guy's work.

[denverYooper]

To a team that averages a little over 15.

Josh Gordon might make a difference.

[red]

Josh Gordon might make a difference.

a guy who hadn't scored a TD in 4 years?

[red]

I wrote the software for a bone density scanner back in the day. Well, a professor did the fancy thinking, I was his programming monkey. GE bought the startup and most bone density scanners sold are based on that guy's work.

so, you are to blame when the bone scan says he can play and then he breaks it again right away

did you put every single 0 and 1 in the exact right spot?

[HarveyWallbangers]

a guy who hadn't scored a TD in 4 years?

LOL. Dude has suspended almost all of that time. The guy that is suspended for three years and then has 85 yards receiving in his first game back with little practice time.

[Pugger]

Why do they not bench Sux Dix? He has been total shit this season.

With our depleted secondary we can't afford to bench him.

[red]

LOL. Dude has suspended almost all of that time. The guy that is suspended for three years and then has 85 yards receiving in his first game back with little practice time.

stll, jordan wasn't jordan right away after he took a year and a half off to play baseball

its foolish to think the gordon of today is the same guy we saw 4 years ago

[Pugger]

Yikes! Who fucked that up?

After the game Hundley fessed up. McCoach should have gone for the sure points there, especially on the road.

[Pugger]

i don't want to hear the typical bull shit after the game

i want to hear that changes are coming after the season

and i want to hear it from mark murphy

Do you want Ted, Mike and the entire staff canned before the end of the season?

[Pugger]

its sad when he trips over a blade of grass and destroys his shoulder

It looks like he hurt his back. :sad:

[Pugger]

Adams is the real deal. And we should be happy w/ the win. But it's the Browns. Needed blown plays, fake punts, OT and bad throws to win. W is W but jebus

In the end we made enough plays where they didn't. The line between winning and losing is pretty thin.

[denverYooper]

stll, jordan wasn't jordan right away after he took a year and a half off to play baseball

its foolish to think the gordon of today is the same guy we saw 4 years ago

Jordan was old at that point. Gordon is still pretty young and good enough to attract extra attention. The point is, he makes the offense better if even only as a decoy until opponents figure out where he's at.

[Teamcheez1]

The box score showed Montravius Adams played and made a tackle. Does anybody remember seeing him in the game?

[red]

i want them all gone as soon as the season is over

[red]

It looks like he hurt his back. :sad:

we think he suffered at least 3 injuries on the play

he held both legs, at one point PB saw him hold his right knee and i saw him holding his left hammy, he also was holding his back, and he did land on his bad shoulder

[red]

Jordan was old at that point. Gordon is still pretty young and good enough to attract extra attention. The point is, he makes the offense better if even only as a decoy until opponents figure out where he's at.

he was 30 when he retired after his dad was murdered

[George Cumby]

i want them all gone as soon as the season is over

Man up, Sal-Nancy.

[pbmax]

stll, jordan wasn't jordan right away after he took a year and a half off to play baseball

its foolish to think the gordon of today is the same guy we saw 4 years ago

Gordon isn't 36.

[pbmax]

I think teamcheeze changed up his negative mantra this week.

Good work.

[mraynrand]

He knows there is a Golden Corral right around the corner from the stadium.

I'm betting he had 7-10 coastal tacos Saturday night

[mraynrand]

Gordon is a real physical specimen. If that guy can stay off the bud, he will return to beast mode.

[TravisWilliams23]

The box score showed Montravius Adams played and made a tackle. Does anybody remember seeing him in the game?

Yes. I saw at least one play with him in there.

[red]

Gordon isn't 36.

neither was jordan we he retired and came back the first time

hell he was only 35 when he retired the second time

[denverYooper]

neither was jordan we he retired and came back the first time

hell he was only 35 when he retired the second time

I think we were both referring to the second retirement. Hence 36 and my reference to "old" (pro sports old)

After the first one he was still pretty good.

from wikipedia:


Although he had not played an NBA game in a year and a half, Jordan played well upon his return, making a game-winning jump shot against Atlanta in his fourth game back. He then scored 55 points in the next game against the Knicks at Madison Square Garden on March 28, 1995.[29] Boosted by Jordan's comeback, the Bulls went 13–4 to make the playoffs and advanced to the Eastern Conference Semifinals against the Orlando Magic. At the end of Game 1, Orlando's Nick Anderson stripped Jordan from behind, leading to the game-winning basket for the Magic; he would later comment that Jordan "didn't look like the old Michael Jordan"[73] and that "No. 45 doesn't explode like No. 23 used to."

[hoosier]

at least I'm on the treadmill so I'll not have wasted my afternoon.

If you can watch game AND type while on the treadmill then you're not working hard enough :-)

[red]

I think we were both referring to the second retirement. Hence 36 and my reference to "old" (pro sports old)

After the first one he was still pretty good.

from wikipedia:



but since i made the first referenece, it was the first time, and he was not "jordan" right away after he came back, it took until the next season for him to return to full form

[mraynrand]

If you can watch game AND type while on the treadmill then you're not working hard enough :-)

Siri, set the treadmill to 11.

[denverYooper]

If you can watch game AND type while on the treadmill then you're not working hard enough :-)

I'm developing a fartlek-type workout where my intensity levels vary according to drives and situations. Early in the half when there are less commercials and the drama is fairly low I can usually get a good 30 minute build into whatever is next. After that I will start to crank up the pace when the situations get more urgent/stressful or turn it down to a fast walk during commercial breaks, building toward basically alternating near sprints with walks.

I'm going to call it the Cardiac Pack workout :).

[mraynrand]

I'm developing a fartlek-type workout where my intensity levels vary according to drives and situations. Early in the half when there are less commercials and the drama is fairly low I can usually get a good 30 minute build into whatever is next. After that I will start to crank up the pace when the situations get more urgent/stressful or turn it down to a fast walk during commercial breaks, building toward basically alternating near sprints with walks.

I'm going to call it the Cardiac Pack workout :).

I've developed a T-shirt I wear in road races that says "Old Fartlek" on the back

[hoosier]

I'm developing a fartlek-type workout where my intensity levels vary according to drives and situations. Early in the half when there are less commercials and the drama is fairly low I can usually get a good 30 minute build into whatever is next. After that I will start to crank up the pace when the situations get more urgent/stressful or turn it down to a fast walk during commercial breaks, building toward basically alternating near sprints with walks.

I'm going to call it the Cardiac Pack workout :).

Ordinarily I would say you should do the high intensity in the first half before fatigue sets in. But I suppose with the Fartlek we don't have to worry about you running out of gas in the second half, do we.

[gbgary]

another nail biting win out of no where. great throw and catch for the game winner. i hope that's the last we see of Hundley except for next preseason...when he does 3rd string work...but if we don't get the help we need from others in the next couple of weeks don't be surprised if he's back.

[QBME]

I wrote the software for a bone density scanner back in the day. Well, a professor did the fancy thinking, I was his programming monkey. GE bought the startup and most bone density scanners sold are based on that guy's work.

Wow. Cool. Back in the day GE had a medical development division based out of Oconomowoc. Any connection?

[red]

i do like how hundly is getting all the credit, when it was adams that made the play out of a 1 yard nothing throw

[George Cumby]

i do like how hundly is getting all the credit, when it was adams that made the play out of a 1 yard nothing throw

PR 111.2. 3 TDS no picks. I’d say dude deserves some credit. The back shoulder throw to Adams other TD was a nice pitch.

[Joemailman]

i do like how hundly is getting all the credit, when it was adams that made the play out of a 1 yard nothing throw

Adams has returned YAC to the Packers offense. I was kind of amazed yesterday that the Browns in the 4th quarter didn't seem to make any adjustments to prevent Hundley from completing short pass after short pass.

[pbmax]

Adams has returned YAC to the Packers offense. I was kind of amazed yesterday that the Browns in the 4th quarter didn't seem to make any adjustments to prevent Hundley from completing short pass after short pass.

You want them to throw short. Looked like the Packers late game defense.

[ThunderDan]

Adams has returned YAC to the Packers offense. I was kind of amazed yesterday that the Browns in the 4th quarter didn't seem to make any adjustments to prevent Hundley from completing short pass after short pass.
It’s the Browns. I knew they would choke the game away. Totally didn’t want to go for 2 and the win in regulation. There is a reason they haven’t won a game yet.

[texaspackerbacker]

You can really see why Hue Jackson is 1-28 as a head coach. What's hard to see is why they have kept him this long. The Browns seem to have a lot more talent than you would expect for being a no win team.

[mraynrand]

You can really see why Hue Jackson is 1-28 as a head coach. What's hard to see is why they have kept him this long. The Browns seem to have a lot more talent than you would expect for being a no win team.

Well the draft pretty high every year. They do get some guys who are thought to be pretty damn good. But they've made some astonishingly bad moves. Every year is a reset. Draft a QB. Draft a 'playmaker' Both are hopelessly crushed under the weight of expectations and an organization that is always shifting on it's axis.

Hue was kept on because the owner apparently personally guaranteed three years when he hired him. He may not have been able to hire anyone of any NFL level talent without that guarantee because of their recent horrible front office history.

[woodbuck27]

http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-game-recap/article-1/Packers-save-their-season-with-another-overtime-win/eb9d4eff-7120-4ea8-8354-dbd4e5bd6fde?campaign=email_171211

If you want to see it again( I've watched it about 10 times ) Trevor Davis's Punt return is here with the Packers.com Game writeup.

[Harlan Huckleby]

This thread is still running? People watching game again?

[woodbuck27]

Packers at Browns Game Highlights:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TADmmnhYmxM