Official Packers - Panthers Game Day Thread

[pbmax]

Spriggs got beat inside good on that sack.

[pbmax]

Davis almost beat Spriggs inside again.

[Rutnstrut]

The players we have can't play this defense. Too many missed assignments. Nobody makes a play. It's pretty disheartening.

Yet it's been that way since what 2010. If TT refuses to get Capers the players he needs. Capers is not good enough or unwilling to change things to the talent he has. Then it's time to ax TT or Capers. Personally I opt for both.

[pbmax]

Very nice screen p/u by a Panthers D lineman

[ThunderDan]

Great time for a delay to Jones.

[Maxie the Taxi]

A Panther's Pick Six now wouldn't surprise me.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Cobb is a first down machine!

[Rutnstrut]

A good head coach would have had a game plan tailored to what Rodgers can do now, not what he could do. This includes a lot of running and play action.

[ThunderDan]

Middle was wide open for a run there. Delay to Jones is open. car selling out on pass rush.

[Teamcheez1]

You have to throw the damn ball.

[pbmax]

Linsley got trashed.

[Teamcheez1]

Yet it's been that way since what 2010. If TT refuses to get Capers the players he needs. Capers is not good enough or unwilling to change things to the talent he has. Then it's time to ax TT or Capers. Personally I opt for both.

+1. The definition of insanity.

[Harlan Huckleby]

They needed to move the ball down the field quickly. Took too much time off clock.

[pbmax]

Linsley got trashed and had help. Maybe Rodgers could step up left but had guy coming there as well.

[Teamcheez1]

Spriggs got abused.

[beveaux1]

Spriggs got schooled.

[pbmax]

Peppers beat Spriggs and took it easy on ARod.

[bobblehead]

spriggs is an absolute tire fire...and what the fuck happened to calling a running play. I think there were 2 entire second half.

[Maxie the Taxi]

spriggs is an absolute tire fire...and what the fuck happened to calling a running play. I think there were 2 entire second half.Maybe Stubby was calling runs, but Arod wanted to pass and overruled him.

[Rutnstrut]

spriggs is an absolute tire fire...and what the fuck happened to calling a running play. I think there were 2 entire second half.

Like i said last week. Once they got Rodgers on the field, there is no way they were going to run the ball.

[Rutnstrut]

Maybe Stubby was calling runs, but Arod wanted to pass and overruled him.

If so, at some point stubby has to sack up and tell Rodgers to knock it the fuck off.

[Joemailman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtGxusvUT3k

[Teamcheez1]

First time Daniels makes a play all day.

[Fosco33]

Miracle needed time.

[Teamcheez1]

Do I even bother watching the game next week?

[beveaux1]

Rodgers is going to play the way Rodgers plays. If you decide to play him at 80%, he's going to play the same way he would if he were at 100%.

That means he'll change plays at the line of scrimmage. He'll pass way more often than he runs. Blaming McCarthy is probably unwarranted.

Blaming Capers on the other hand....

[Rutnstrut]

Miracle needed time.

The miracle this team needs is for TT and Capers to be fired.

[Teamcheez1]

The miracle this team needs is for TT and Capers to be fired.

Agreed.

[Rutnstrut]

At this point I can't even get excited about a possible better higher draft pick. TT will fuck it up anyway.

[yetisnowman]

Shitty o line. Receivers that rarely get separation. No playmakers on defense. When our messiah plays poorly we have no fucking chance. TT has created this.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Can Arod even throw a Hail Mary?

[Teamcheez1]

The defense overperformed according to Caper's metrics.

They only gave up 391 yards and 31 points. That is an above average game.

[ThunderDan]

The Panthers are a good team. Tough to beat at home. We hung with them for a half.

[Joemailman]

This game was over when Adams got knocked out. TT needs another 2nd round WR.

[channtheman]

Was driving to CA to visit my wife's family, thought the game was a late game. Tuned into my stream to a 2 touchdown deficit in the 4th quarter. Rodgers not playing well per box score :(

[pbmax]

Why not have them punt again? Get another shot for Davis?

[red]

make them rekick like everyone else does

the coverage guys should be tired

[pbmax]

Was driving to CA to visit my wife's family, thought the game was a late game. Tuned into my stream to a 2 touchdown deficit in the 4th quarter. Rodgers not playing well per box score :(

It was a far more promising first half with some points and defensive stops.

[red]

Why not have them punt again? Get another shot for Davis?

our coach has no fight in him

[pbmax]

The defense overperformed according to Caper's metrics.

They only gave up 391 yards and 31 points. That is an above average game.

On 3 turnovers, 31 poins to good offense isn't as bad as could be expected.

[channtheman]

Score with 1 minute left, got a chance.

[red]

The Panthers are a good team. Tough to beat at home. We hung with them for a half.

like i said earlier in the week, even with a-rod at 110% this game would have been tough to win

[Fosco33]

Troy is a moron. He can even remember Cobbs TD earlier in the game.

[Bretsky]

The playoffs have begun.

and now they are done

[pbmax]

Big hole on left side.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Onside kick?

[red]

ok

[pbmax]

Arm looks better in clean pocket with feet set.

[ThunderDan]

Hey, hey.

[channtheman]

Onside kick?


Absolutely. 2 chances to get ball back instead of 1.

[red]

Onside kick?

i think we have to, do we have any TO's?

[ThunderDan]

I hope Bostic is on the Panthers.

[pbmax]

Outside of hail mary, what is Dick Rod's longest catch?

[pbmax]

bobble, Spriggs has recovered a bit from the tire fire of the last series.

[Fosco33]

Let's do this

[beveaux1]

GB recovers!

[ThunderDan]

Packers got it.

[red]

WOW

how did that guy not get it? mccafry

[pbmax]

? :D

How did that steak through?

[channtheman]

WHAT! LET"S GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Maxie the Taxi]

Just don't score too quickly now. Run the ball a few times.

[red]

Outside of hail mary, what is Dick Rod's longest catch?

i think it was the two catches on that drive

[channtheman]

Bostic 2.0

[Teamcheez1]

Richard Rodgers. You can't stop him, you can only hope to contain him.

[ThunderDan]

Let’s score but not too fast.

[red]

Just don't score too quickly now. Run the ball a few times.

just score

we can't be picky

[Bretsky]

OK....Harv is calling for Capers head...which means it needs to happen ASAP. lol.

I've broken down as well

but I still think our talent there is not good and that's a thanksted for that

[Maxie the Taxi]

If we score, do we go for two and win?

[beveaux1]

just score

we can't be picky

This.

[Rutnstrut]

just score

we can't be picky

My thinking as well.

[bobblehead]

If we can just get to OT and bring in Hundly....UNDEFEATED!!!!

[pbmax]

If we score, do we go for two and win?

Yes

[Rutnstrut]

If we score, do we go for two and win?

I want to say yes. I can't handle OT.

[channtheman]

Yes

Do you think we actually would?

[Maxie the Taxi]

If we can just get to OT and bring in Hundly....UNDEFEATED!!!!LOL

[beveaux1]

Just score.

[channtheman]

I want to say yes. I can't handle OT.

If we get to OT. Put Hundley in. His OT record is way better than Rodgers. :D

[Bretsky]

Spriggs not losing his guy but is having some trouble with DE speed upfield. Each Rodger pocket escape he has been seeing that pressure.

He can leave with Capers;

[Rutnstrut]

If we can just get to OT and bring in Hundly....UNDEFEATED!!!!

Genius. I love it.

[ThunderDan]

If we score, do we go for two and win?

Against Carolina I think yes. Against Tampa and Cleveland no.

[channtheman]

I'm trembling fellas. 2 14 point comebacks in a row? I can barely contain myself. Hard part is, my wife is sleeping 5 feet away and I can't make any noise!

[mraynrand]

? :D

How did that steak through?

Mmmmmmm.....steak

- Stubby

[channtheman]

Good call. He was all over Richard Rodgers

[Teamcheez1]

I'm trembling fellas. 2 14 point comebacks in a row? I can barely contain myself. Hard part is, my wife is sleeping 5 feet away and I can't make any noise!

No.

[red]

the age old question

just what in the fuck exactly is a catch?

[pbmax]

Looks like a fumble to me.

[beveaux1]

Definitely not Adams. Unbelievable.

[channtheman]

Crud. That's a fumble.

[ThunderDan]

58 get away from Rodgers. You are a piece of shit 58. You should be suspended.

[beveaux1]

It'll be a hometown call.

[channtheman]

Season over. :(

[ThunderDan]

If we were looking at buttceeks earlier, why not incomplete now?

[pbmax]

Dick Rod was leaning just away or he gets the recovery.

[red]

fuck

[channtheman]

3 steps, ball never moved.

[Teamcheez1]

Fitting end to the season.

[beveaux1]

Game. Season.

[Fosco33]

That's the season

[red]

fuck fuck fuck

[Rutnstrut]

Well had Rodgers not turned the ball over 3 times, or had they covered Olsen even a little.

[Fosco33]

Season in one image.

https://ibb.co/muKbn6

[channtheman]

Dang. So close. 4 TO? Geez. Can't win @ Carolina doing that.

[Teamcheez1]

You don't win games turning the ball over 4 times.

[pbmax]

I have complaints about the Defense today but the offense is the one that shit the bed.

[Teamcheez1]

Shut AR down for the rest of the season.

Ask TT and Capers to start cleaning their offices out.

[ThunderDan]

Carolina beat NE in Boston this year. Tough team to beat without turning the bill over and over.

[pbmax]

Van Routen is on Panthers :D

[Teamcheez1]

I have complaints about the Defense today but the offense is the one that shit the bed.

It was definitely a group effort all the way around to lose this game.

[beveaux1]

It took 4 TOs to beat us...with our defense...on the road. Rodgers is that big a difference-maker.

[bobblehead]

I have complaints about the Defense today but the offense is the one that shit the bed.

Both. Amazing we were in it.

[Teamcheez1]

It took 4 TOs to beat us...with our defense...on the road. Rodgers is that big a difference-maker.

So goes Rodgers, so goes the game. We can't survive 3 interceptions in most games.

[bobblehead]

3 picks hurt the d. Not running hurt OL. Again...lucky to be in it.

[Rutnstrut]

Carolina beat NE in Boston this year. Tough team to beat without turning the bill over and over.

Well of course it would be tough. But they wouldn't have had to play an exceptional game to have won today. Had they played sound football, they probably win. Of course stubby's game plan did them no favors.

[Fosco33]

How many road dog Ws with -4 turnover margin

[yetisnowman]

The Panthers are a good team. Tough to beat at home. We hung with them for a half.

We have played like shit. Spare me this moral victory nonsense. Season on the line, the win was available

[channtheman]

I think the only path to the playoffs involves:

Falcons losing all 3 remaining games.

@Tampa Bay
@New Orleans
vs Carolina

Seattle losing 2 of remaining 3

vs Rams
@ Dallas
vs Arizona

Dallas losing 1 of remaining 3

@ Oakland
vs Seattle
@ Philly

If Atlanta wins a game, we are out.

Obviously we have to win out.

[JohnMexico]

Clean the fucking house!

We've had enough years to determine that this is not a kneejerk reaction!

[Rutnstrut]

I think the only path to the playoffs involves:

Falcons losing all 3 remaining games.

@Tampa Bay
@New Orleans
vs Carolina

Seattle losing 2 of remaining 3

vs Rams
@ Dallas
vs Arizona

Dallas losing 1 of remaining 3

@ Oakland
vs Seattle
@ Philly

If Atlanta wins a game, we are out.

Obviously we have to win out.

Yeah let's pray for that. Because this is obviously a team poised to make it to the super bowl.

[channtheman]

Yeah let's pray for that. Because this is obviously a team poised to make it to the super bowl.

Eh, I will pull for the impossible until it won't happen. Makes the season more fun.

[beveaux1]

I keep looking at the talent on defense and I can't believe we play as poorly as we do. Matthews, Perry, Brooks, and Martinez at LB. Burnett, Dix, Jones, and Randall as DBs. Daniels and Clark on the DL. Even the backups have some ability.

Why do we keep making coverage mistakes? Why are RBs and TEs ALWAYS open? Can these players not understand the defense that's been called? Is it so difficult that they don't know who to cover? Why do the same plays work every week against this defense?

Do our coaches not look at film and teach the players where to go and who to cover? Can they simplify it so that the same mistakes are not made?

Our bad plays on defense seems to be blown coverages, gaps not being filled properly, and not setting the edge. These seem basic. Maybe I'm missing something, but it happens nearly every 3rd down. We play 2 good downs on defense, then screw up.

It doesn't matter if it's 3rd and short, 3rd and medium, or 3rd and long. Someone is going to blow the next play.

Carolina only completed 3 or 4 passes to their WRs against our weakest unit on defense, the CBs, yet they scored early and often. I don't think Cleveland had scored 3 TDs in a game this year...except against us.

I know we turned the ball over 4 times and that was probably why we lost, but the bigger question to me is why does our defense lay such a big, fat egg and why do these players keep making the same mistakes over and over?

[ThunderDan]

We have played like shit. Spare me this moral victory nonsense. Season on the line, the win was available

It ain’t moral victory. It’s the truth. We played them tight and had a chance to tie the game in the last 2 minutes. We played poorly and we still could have gotten the win.

[mraynrand]

Yeah let's pray for that. Because this is obviously a team poised to make it to the super bowl.

Regardless, win or lose, every game day thread, almost every post, you and several others are just absolute bitter pills to swallow. Thanks for all the fun. The "Fire so-and-so" posts add so much to the experience. Great job everybody!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUPDRnUWeBA

[woodbuck27]

It ain’t moral victory. It’s the truth. We played them tight and had a chance to tie the game in the last 2 minutes. We played poorly and we still could have gotten the win.

Coulda...woulda...shoulda. :whaa:

[Rutnstrut]

Regardless, win or lose, every game day thread, almost every post, you and several others are just absolute bitter pills to swallow. Thanks for all the fun. The "Fire so-and-so" posts add so much to the experience. Great job everybody!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUPDRnUWeBA

You are that guy that matches one number and tells people you almost won the lottery, aren't you?

[mraynrand]

You are that guy that matches one number and tells people you almost won the lottery, aren't you?

no, that's a strawman. I just hate most of your posts. And Yeti, and others because they're absurdly negative and pointless. . That's why I mostly stay out of the game day thread. I concede that I'm no paragon of football posting virtue either, if you're gonna go that route. But, it's annoying even to post about this, so this is my last post on the subject

[Guiness]

I keep looking at the talent on defense and I can't believe we play as poorly as we do. Matthews, Perry, Brooks, and Martinez at LB. Burnett, Dix, Jones, and Randall as DBs. Daniels and Clark on the DL. Even the backups have some ability.

Why do we keep making coverage mistakes? Why are RBs and TEs ALWAYS open? Can these players not understand the defense that's been called? Is it so difficult that they don't know who to cover? Why do the same plays work every week against this defense?

Do our coaches not look at film and teach the players where to go and who to cover? Can they simplify it so that the same mistakes are not made?

Our bad plays on defense seems to be blown coverages, gaps not being filled properly, and not setting the edge. These seem basic. Maybe I'm missing something, but it happens nearly every 3rd down. We play 2 good downs on defense, then screw up.

It doesn't matter if it's 3rd and short, 3rd and medium, or 3rd and long. Someone is going to blow the next play.

Carolina only completed 3 or 4 passes to their WRs against our weakest unit on defense, the CBs, yet they scored early and often. I don't think Cleveland had scored 3 TDs in a game this year...except against us.

I know we turned the ball over 4 times and that was probably why we lost, but the bigger question to me is why does our defense lay such a big, fat egg and why do these players keep making the same mistakes over and over?

Defense got the stops when it mattered

[pbmax]

TEs and RBs are open because safeties are now manning the slot CB positions AND the rookie safety is being pressed into a role he was not going to play this year.

I actually think there have been fewer communication issues this year versus several others, but some players are jumping to the wrong routes. That creates a cascade effect where the OC keeps attacking and devising new ways to confuse.

Aaron Nagler has made the point that more than one player has said miscommunication is a result of a complex defense and younger players. Same kinda problems that bedeviled Rex Ryan in Buffalo.

The weird part of it is they seem far more likely to succeed in zone this year than since forever ago.

But the lack of pass rush has really hurt them. It doesn't force bad or hurried throws often enough. In previous years the solution to this was to blitz, but safeties in one on one coverage and getting beat deep force Capers to play his best safety deep. Often it forces two safeties deep.

I think the pass rush problem is a failure of TT. The coverage problems a failure of staff.

Who do I want to win out? Thompson, because he will eventually find talent, but Capers and his coaches haven't found coverage since Tramon got hurt and Woodson got old. But one problem feeds into the other so I don't know the best solution.

[woodbuck27]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSUIQgEVDM4

[beveaux1]

This RB and TE problem has gone on for as long as Capers has been DC. With few yearly exceptions, we’ve had terrible problems on 3rd down getting off the field. I’m willing to admit that the past two years we’ve had injury problems in the secondary and that the problems on 3rd down have been a little worse. I also know that we have a pass rush issue that needs to be addressed. Losing Shields and having CB injury issues last year forced Thompson to draft another CB in this past draft and pushed drafting a first round pass rusher off another year.

I still wonder about the blown assignments that seem to never stop and if that’s inherent in this DCs system.

[mraynrand]

I have faith in Pipkins being all-pro. I know at the beginning of the season we all knew he'd be a difference maker down the stretch.

[mraynrand]

Who do I want to win out? Thompson, because he will eventually find talent, but Capers and his coaches haven't found coverage since Tramon got hurt and Woodson got old. But one problem feeds into the other so I don't know the best solution.

If they keep Capers, then they have to make sure they have enough veteran talent to run his schemes. They made progress with Randall, and you'd like to think having healthy Rollins king and House would be better than what they ran out there today. Maybe Beigel wasn't the answer for Peppers, but can we know yet because of his injury. Same with Perry. You would think the guy is a difference-maker but he's never out there. I just don't think you can expect depth to hold up to the kind of dynamic offenses they face, especially if you turn the ball over 4 times.

[pbmax]

If they keep Capers, then they have to make sure they have enough veteran talent to run his schemes. They made progress with Randall, and you'd like to think having healthy Rollins king and House would be better than what they ran out there today. Maybe Beigel wasn't the answer for Peppers, but can we know yet because of his injury. Same with Perry. You would think the guy is a difference-maker but he's never out there. I just don't think you can expect depth to hold up to the kind of dynamic offenses they face, especially if you turn the ball over 4 times.

Yeah its brutal but true with Perry that he just doesn't play enough. He should be Justin Smith in this defense, so frightening against both run and pass that teams lean his way and leave the others one on one. But he is not out there enough.

[pbmax]

I have faith in Pipkins being all-pro. I know at the beginning of the season we all knew he'd be a difference maker down the stretch.

Kind of want to know why he was out there. Someone hurt or benched to give him a shot? He looks like Geronimo. 6' 3" and 192 pounds.

[call_me_ishmael]

Two years ago I was very high on Braxton Miller. He hasn't done much yet but I think he will in time. Last year I was very high on Curtis Samuel (Who is a Panther, albeit an injured one).

I would like to see the Packers try to find a player in the similar mold of incredible quickness and speed like Samual or Christian McCaffrey. It seems like we never have anyone that can not only out run everyone, but also out shake them.

[Pugger]

If they keep Capers, then they have to make sure they have enough veteran talent to run his schemes. They made progress with Randall, and you'd like to think having healthy Rollins king and House would be better than what they ran out there today. Maybe Beigel wasn't the answer for Peppers, but can we know yet because of his injury. Same with Perry. You would think the guy is a difference-maker but he's never out there. I just don't think you can expect depth to hold up to the kind of dynamic offenses they face, especially if you turn the ball over 4 times.

Perry is a problem because he can't stay healthy. There hasn't been one season since he was drafted when he played in every game. :???: