Official Packers vs Vikings Gameday Thread, Festivus edition

[denverYooper]

M3 wants to matriculate down the field 4 yards at a time. But mostly its Hundley.

So far Hundley has thrown a slightly nicer-looking deep ball than Keenum. That's not saying much.

[pbmax]

All the young guys are out there. Pipkins

[KYPack]

Same to ya, Red.

In a Christmas note an OLDE teammate of mine has lived in Alabama for many years.

Wednesday, he visited Bart and Cherry Starr at their home.

Cherry is sharp as a tack and still the super nice Southern belle she has always been.

Bart is rough, but he's makin' it.

My buddy is still buzzin' from the experience.

[pbmax]

Gilbert blew that gap. Closed too slow.

[Rastak]

Old Speckled? Jesus H...
I've got a Spitfire in the fridge no one will drink. And a Coors Light. Either would be an even trade!

I admit it tastes like shit. That’s why it is still there.

[pbmax]

So far Hundley has thrown a slightly nicer-looking deep ball than Keenum. That's not saying much.

McCarthy has never been very interested in designing short passing game that is the base offense. Its all stuff off the deep offense.

[Guiness]

Speaking of drinking, have my Cuba trip booked. January 16th for 10 days, gonna be good!:-)

[mraynrand]

What ever happened to pinning them down with the ole coffin corner?

We needed a coffin...there are no receivers open...so I threw the ball to an open spot in the turf. voilà!

[mraynrand]

Pipkins - OMG

[red]

keystone cops

[pbmax]

FUCK! Two missed tackles.

[Rastak]

Keenum does that a lot...

[mraynrand]

3rd and 13 is better than 3rd and 8 against Capers

[pbmax]

Dix that was a horrible tackle.

[pbmax]

Dial is having a whale of a game.

[Guiness]

Um, are the Packers heading for being shutout at Lambeau?

Has that happened before?

[denverYooper]

McCarthy has never been very interested in designing short passing game that is the base offense. Its all stuff off the deep offense.

Yeah, so the last series might have been the "full offense".

[mraynrand]

My most optimistic view right now is that Stubby will kick a 50+ yard FG as time expires to avoid the shut out. And Crosby will miss.

[pbmax]

Yeah, so the last series might have been the "full offense".

Its really weird how uninterested he is in 10 short passes for a TD drive even with Rodgers.

[Rastak]

Um, are the Packers heading for being shutout at Lambeau?

Has that happened before?

The Vikings would have shut out the Bengles last week except for a tipped pick deep in Vikings territory.

[pbmax]

PIPKINS!!!

[mraynrand]

Belichick would be up 35-17 over the Vikings right now.

[pbmax]

nice head up tackle and assist to Ponch.

[SMBASS]

Um, are the Packers heading for being shutout at Lambeau?

Has that happened before?

Once this year so far by the Ravens. Tonight might be the second time.

[mraynrand]

Bengles

have another beer

[Rastak]

have another beer

Good call, be right back.

[Rutnstrut]

Its really weird how uninterested he is in 10 short passes for a TD drive even with Rodgers.

Not really when you consider how he's not a bit interested in running the ball either. It seems he wants to win his way or not at all.

[KYPack]

Speaking of drinking, have my Cuba trip booked. January 16th for 10 days, gonna be good!:-)

Bring back more bottles of Havana Club (Anejo 7 anos) than they allow.

They always let you get away with it

[mraynrand]

Receivers really helping Hundley aren't they

[pbmax]

have another beer

I can't tell if its the Coast Radler or this game making me sick.

[Rutnstrut]

Receivers really helping Hundley aren't they

Why should they when their head coach doesn't?

[mraynrand]

This game sucks

[KYPack]

What are we gonna do?

[pbmax]

OK, well I don't know how to fix the defense but Hundley cannot come back to be the backup QB.

[Rutnstrut]

What are we gonna do?

Drink more.

[pbmax]

Not really when you consider how he's not a bit interested in running the ball either. It seems he wants to win his way or not at all.

Passing > Running. Kind of pass is kinda the choice of the coach and QB.

[Rastak]

This is a barn burner....although I admit I’m not one of the those who hate defensive games...but this seems seems kind of lame rather than an epic defensive battle.

[Rutnstrut]

OK, well I don't know how to fix the defense but Hundley cannot come back to be the backup QB.

He's got 3 years in this system, it's all good.

[Guiness]

Bring back more bottles of Havana Club (Anejo 7 anos) than they allow.

They always let you get away with it

Good call. Best bang for the buck. I bring it back, Seleccion and Ron Santiago de Cuba añejo for mojitos.

You're allowed your limit in luggage, and again at duty free, right?

[pbmax]

If the Ravens are in the Super Bowl I am not watching unless they play Michigan and other Harbaugh.

[denverYooper]

Belichick would be up 35-17 over the Vikings right now.

I thought something similar.

Hell, with Rodgers, the Packers are probably up 24-10.

[mraynrand]

I'm not even getting the bare minimum out of this game. No one gives a fuck. Barr hasn't been planted. No animosity. No aggression.

I guess they took a few shots downfield but that was even more pathetic than I could have imagined.

[pbmax]

This is a barn burner....although I admit I’m not one of the those who hate defensive games...but this seems seems kind of lame rather than an epic defensive battle.

A defensive struggle in the 70s featured better passing and offense than this game does.

[Rutnstrut]

This is a barn burner....although I admit I’m not one of the those who hate defensive games...but this seems seems kind of lame rather than an epic defensive battle.

Do you think the Vikes know how bad GB is and aren't worried about scoring a ton of points?

[mraynrand]

Hell, with Rodgers, the Packers are probably up 24-10.

Think he wants to be out there? I bet he's thinking the same thing.

[denverYooper]

Receivers really helping Hundley aren't they

I think they started drinking a few hours ago as well.

[Rastak]

Do you think the Vikes know how bad GB is and aren't worried about scoring a ton of points?

I doubt it.

[pbmax]

Clark and Gilbert with nice plays. Defense has been OK.

[Rutnstrut]

I doubt it.

Then chalk it up to the cold. Because it sure as hell isn't the GB defense.

[mraynrand]

Do you think the Vikes know how bad GB is and aren't worried about scoring a ton of points?

mentally it has to make a difference knowing Hundley can't complete a pass

[pbmax]

Uh-oh Vikes. Reiff.

Pass rush makes everything else good.

[pbmax]

Davis needs to go to one cut school.

[Rastak]

Uh-oh Vikes. Reiff.

Pass rush makes everything else good.

He’s been out for a couple of weeks. First game back off an ankle injury.

[mraynrand]

I can't tell if its the Coast Radler or this game making me sick.

both

[denverYooper]

I'm not even getting the bare minimum out of this game. No one gives a fuck. Barr hasn't been planted. No animosity. No aggression.

I guess they took a few shots downfield but that was even more pathetic than I could have imagined.

Their strategy on offense from here on out should be bombs to Janis and Davis mixed with runs to Williams. No punts.

Blitz the shit out Keenum. Why not?

As I type, nice hit by Clark but still too kind. Land on him next time, at least.

[pbmax]

I think Point's Coast Radler is made from Syrup of Ipecac.

[mraynrand]

Their strategy on offense from here on out should be bombs to Janis and Davis mixed with runs to Williams. No punts.

Blitz the shit out Keenum. Why not?

As I type, nice hit by Clark but still too kind. Land on him next time, at least.

OK, somebody cares

[pbmax]

He’s been out for a couple of weeks. First game back off an ankle injury.

You see what happened to him?

[Rastak]

You see what happened to him?

Nope.

[mraynrand]

Well theres the run. Now the bomb. The turf is wide open.

[mraynrand]

Nice Height by Clarck.

[pbmax]

CLARK!!!


Other Clark!

Wes Hodkiewicz @WesHod
Kenny Clark quickly becoming a factor in the pass rush. All 4.5 of his sacks have come in December #Packers

[KYPack]

Good call. Best bang for the buck. I bring it back, Seleccion and Ron Santiago de Cuba añejo for mojitos.

You're allowed your limit in luggage, and again at duty free, right?

Little cheaper in Cuba.

I always just buy extra at the liquor store and double up and double up at duty free.

The customs boys just laugh and say they've got a sale on rum.

They are trying to stop people bring back guns, heroin, pills and knives and shit.

A Gringo with an extra bottle of booze doesn't bother 'em in the least.

Bring a half roll of bubble rap with ya, stuff like that is hard to find in the 3rd world.

[pbmax]

Sign Clark!

[mraynrand]

Nice Length by Clarck

[Rastak]

Vikings are letting them right back in the game....too much fucking around.

[pbmax]

Let's go OFF-SENSE!!

[Rutnstrut]

Holy shit 2 runs in a row. Someone took over play calling from stubby.

[pbmax]

Kendrick's is just having a bad night.

Go for it.

[KYPack]

Shoot fucking Kendrick.

He's a Badger, too.

[mraynrand]

This game sucks

[Iron Mike]

WTG Kendricks....

[red]

This game sucks

seconded

[KYPack]

WTG Kendricks....

You mean WT Fuck, doncha Fond du Lac?

[Bretsky]

Fackrell isn't explosive enough for big pass rush but he has gotten better versus run.


Another JAG

[pbmax]

Shoot fucking Kendrick.

He's a Badger, too.

Just in the lower leg though.

[KYPack]

Shoot Clark

[pbmax]

Another JAG

Better than that, but don't see the pass rush. Needs a move or hands. Something.

[denverYooper]

Receivers really helping Hundley aren't they

Short arms for a tall guy on that pylon throw just now.

[Guiness]

Little cheaper in Cuba.

I always just buy extra at the liquor store and double up and double up at duty free.

The customs boys just laugh and say they've got a sale on rum.

They are trying to stop people bring back guns, heroin, pills and knives and shit.

A Gringo with an extra bottle of booze doesn't bother 'em in the least.

Bring a half roll of bubble rap with ya, stuff like that is hard to find in the 3rd world.

Been a few times, have you? Congrats, it's a great place. When was passing through the UP this summer I was talking to a bartender and she said she'd never been because she heard it was dangerous. Hell, it's the safest place I've ever been.

Bubble wrap? No room, wrap 'em in t-shirts!

[mraynrand]

What happened? Did Lowry lend Clarck his arms for that play?

[mraynrand]

Hundley to Clarck is a pass combo best left in preseason.

[Iron Mike]

You mean WT Fuck, doncha Fond du Lac?

Way to go.....

[Guiness]

Short arms for a tall guy on that pylon throw just now.

Looked like the throw came early? He was just starting to turn his head/body and the ball was there.

[pbmax]

98 (Atlanta guy?) scraped down and Burnett got trashed guarding the edge on that run.

[mraynrand]

Diggs is Kendricksesque

[red]

LOL

JESUS FUCKING H CHRIST

this is horrible, on both sides

[Bretsky]

I can't believe Keenum missed a wide open Thielen 50 yards downfield for an ez TD. That'll cost me in FF

[pbmax]

98 (Atlanta guy?) scraped down and Burnett got trashed guarding the edge on that run.

Odom

[Rastak]

Teams don’t use the QB sneak enough anymore.

[KYPack]

Clark and Ryan both blew on that one.

[mraynrand]

I can't believe Keenum missed a wide open Thielen 50 yards downfield for an ez TD. That'll cost me in FF

piss off

[pbmax]

Fackrell with nice edge again. Team run D for the win.

[red]

vikings haven't had a shutout since the early 90's

awesome

[Rastak]

piss off

That’s why I don’t play FF...

[Iron Mike]

On the bright side, if we shit the bed this badly next week, it's for sure heads will roll in the offseason....

[Fosco33]

3rd bad play by Davis. Sick of his shitty play

[pbmax]

Fair catch at the five again. Unreal.

[Bretsky]

I'm definitely in the apathetic group in our poll

Time to go all in on draft talk

[KYPack]

On the bright side, if we shit the bed this badly next week, it's for sure heads will roll in the offseason....

Got to.

We need help at several positions.

[Fosco33]

Fair catch at the five again. Unreal.

Last time he fair caught a line drive with no one within 10yrds.

[mraynrand]

On the bright side, if we shit the bed this badly next week, it's for sure heads will roll in the offseason....

why would you even think that? The whole organization is on board pulling all the talent for this game and next week. Rodgers certainly could have played tonight. The org doesn't give a shit about these last two games.

[pbmax]

Last time he fair caught a line drive with no one within 10yrds.

Yeah. I count those two as bad. Not sure your third was that bad.

[mraynrand]

Here we go with the 6 minute drive for the FG attempt

[pbmax]

why would you even think that? The whole organization is on board pulling all the talent for this game and next week. Rodgers certainly could have played tonight. The org doesn't give a shit about these last two games.

Yep. McCarthy objecting to spoiler talk now seems like an indication of tanking for draft position.

[mraynrand]

Yep. McCarthy objecting to spoiler talk now seems like an indication of tanking for draft position.

They didn't have to IR Perry or Matthews to sit them out

[KYPack]

Am I awake?

[denverYooper]

Here we go with the 6 minute drive for the FG attempt

I'm hoping for 13-7.

[mraynrand]

Dump the roster on the inactive list, tell the guys to play to win, and lose anyway because your talent is inferior. You salvage your ethic and end up 7-9 and get a higher draft pick.

[mraynrand]

I'm hoping for 13-7.

not a chance

[Rutnstrut]

They didn't have to IR Perry or Matthews to sit them out

They are IR'ed? I thought they were just out tonight?

[pbmax]

They didn't have to IR Perry or Matthews to sit them out

I think that was specifically for rodgers. I bet they play if healthy.

[mraynrand]

That's interference

[Rastak]

That's interference

Thought so live but not sure on the replay.

[Iron Mike]

No DPI, huh?????

[pbmax]

They are IR'ed? I thought they were just out tonight?

Rand is saying you can bench your talent due to "injuries" and not have to IR them. Just inactivate them.

[denverYooper]

not a chance

Looks bad now.

[Rutnstrut]

Rand is saying you can bench your talent due to "injuries" and not have to IR them. Just inactivate them.

Okay got it now. Perhaps too much bourbon or this game is lulling me into a coma.

[mraynrand]

I think that was specifically for rodgers. I bet they play if healthy.

not a chance. They IRed Rodgers to avoid the talk about a healthy scratch for Rodgers. What, they're gonna have him inactive while Hundley looks like crap? Not seeing Rodgers is a screw job for the fans and we all know it. IF he's IRed at least we know they're protecting him. None of the rest of the guys rise to level of Rodgers at all.

[denverYooper]

I think Collinsworth wants to ask Case Keenum out.

[pbmax]

Ryan still playing.

[mraynrand]

Thought so live but not sure on the replay.

they didn't give it because it was an overthrow. If under-thrown, he'd get it because Waynes didn't look back.

[red]

Am I awake?

it doesn't matter

if you are, then you just wasted 3 hours of good sleeping time

[KYPack]

I think Collinsworth wants to ask Case Keenum out.

A mandate for CC?

[pbmax]

not a chance. They IRed Rodgers to avoid the talk about a healthy scratch for Rodgers. What, they're gonna have him inactive while Hundley looks like crap? Not seeing Rodgers is a screw job for the fans and we all know it. IF he's IRed at least we know they're protecting him. None of the rest of the guys rise to level of Rodgers at all.

I think we agree on Rodgers. Except that if Matthews is healthy next week, I bet he plays at least to start.

[mraynrand]

I think Collinsworth wants to ask Case Keenum out.

he's a good lay, apparently

[mraynrand]

I think we agree. Except that if Matthews is healthy next week, I bet he plays at least to start.

maybe, if there's something in his contract about bonuses, etc.

[Rastak]

they didn't give it because it was an overthrow. If under-thrown, he'd get it because Waynes didn't look back.

If it’s overthrown, why would anyone look back? You’d watch it fly over your head....

[mraynrand]

it doesn't matter

if you are, then you just wasted 3 hours of good sleeping time


And to think I could have sawed my fingers off in the woodshop instead. Less painful to be sure.

[mraynrand]

If it’s overthrown, why would anyone look back? You’d watch it fly over your head....

OK

[pbmax]

maybe, if there's something in his contract about bonuses, etc.

Though if they want to see Fackrell, Odom, and Biegel they may not. Poor Ahmad Brooks did not sign up for this.

[mraynrand]

Poor Ahmad Brooks did not sign up for this.

maybe the Patriots have a roster spot open

[pbmax]

Allison down hurt on return.

[denverYooper]

A mandate for CC?

Yup.

[mraynrand]

Bacteria and Kenny Clark will get the sole stud awards for this game

[mraynrand]

Bacteria and Kenny Clark will get the sole stud awards for this game

of course and then he draws the penalty

[Rastak]

Bacteria and Kenny Clark will get the sole stud awards for this game

Immediately gets called for a hold....he has been super solid tonight though.

[pbmax]

See, I just don't know what he is reading on those deep throws.

[Iron Mike]

Immediately gets called for a hold....he has been super solid tonight though.

Congratulations on your team's sweep.

[mraynrand]

So much for that exciting game-ending FG attempt

[red]

collinsworth doesn't know why the vikings d-linemen aren't celebrating this "big win"

maybe because the only people that though this might be close, or the packers might somehow win, seemed to be the folks at NBC that kept trying to push this as some kind of meaningful game

[mraynrand]

See, I just don't know what he is reading on those deep throws.

It would be nice if they were in the same zip code as the receivers

[Rutnstrut]

Bacteria and Kenny Clark will get the sole stud awards for this game

Didn't even do a studs n duds last week did we?

[Guiness]

So holy shit that was bad. Bad bad bad.

I go on record...Callahan please?

[Rastak]

Congratulations on your team's sweep.

Thanks Iron. Watch them break my fucking heart as always ......a regular thing since 1969 or so.....

[KYPack]

Hundley is a goof. We got to dig up a back-up in the off season.

[red]

awwww

and i know people that now have to drive 3 hours home from that shitshow

hope the got to take a nap during the game

[mraynrand]

collinsworth doesn't know why the vikings d-linemen aren't celebrating this "big win"

maybe because the only people that though this might be close, or the packers might somehow win, seemed to be the folks at NBC that kept trying to push this as some kind of meaningful game

It is meaningful for the Vikings. The outcome was a foregone conclusion.

[red]

Hundley is a goof. We got to dig up a back-up in the off season.

yeah

weat least need to find a guy that can run the same type of playbook that a-rod runs

someone that can hit a WR 10 yards down the field

[red]

It is meaningful for the Vikings. The outcome was a foregone conclusion.

thats what i meant

we had no chance of winning this

[mraynrand]

So holy shit that was bad. Bad bad bad.

I go on record...Callahan please?

I thought it could be a hell of a lot worse. Stubby could have kicked two FGs to avoid the shut out.

[mraynrand]

thats what i meant

we had no chance of winning this

by design

[mraynrand]

Didn't even do a studs n duds last week did we?

why bother?

[SMBASS]

F Stubby for never putting Callahan in for even one play after all of these ****show offensive performances in a row. You're talking about replacing a QB who could only throw for 84 yards in an overtime game not benching Dan Marino. Is he afraid he's going to hurt Hundley's confidence?

[pbmax]

Callahan can come back next year at a nice price. Hundley would need to be re-signed.

No rush on Cally.

[denverYooper]

So much for that exciting game-ending FG attempt

I have a little more respect for McCarthy for not bothering with that bullshit.

[pbmax]

I have a little more respect for McCarthy for not bothering with that bullshit.

Was the only highlight.

[Iron Mike]

My brain hurts trying to forget the fact that Cleveland was willing to trade a first-round draft pick for Hundley in the off-season...:whaa:

[QBME]

My brain hurts trying to forget the fact that Cleveland was willing to trade a first-round draft pick for Hundley in the off-season...:whaa:

Don't know if your just messin' around but....seriously?

[red]

i thought we were hoping to get a draft pick for him, i don't remember someone actually offering us one

[Bretsky]

i thought we were hoping to get a draft pick for him, i don't remember someone actually offering us one

I think if anybody offered a 1st or 2nd he'd hav been gone

[Harlan Huckleby]

Callahan can come back next year at a nice price. Hundley would need to be re-signed.

No rush on Cally.
Ya, but why not see what he can do in a game? Give him a little experience. Nothing was learned about Hundley.

[mraynrand]

Ya, but why not see what he can do in a game? Give him a little experience. Nothing was learned about Hundley.

au contraire mon frère

Think it over.

[Guiness]

I thought it could be a hell of a lot worse. Stubby could have kicked two FGs to avoid the shut out.

I thought he should have kicked the first one, in the second quarter. Score was 10-0m and it was obvious there were not going g to be many opportunities.

[Guiness]

au contraire mon frère

Think it over.

Agreed you don't run Cally out there last night, but what about next week? MM obviously has better information than I do, but Hundley does not seem to belong. They've held on to Callahan 2 years now must believe he has potential.

[mraynrand]

Agreed you don't run Cally out there last night, but what about next week? MM obviously has better information than I do, but Hundley does not seem to belong. They've held on to Callahan 2 years now must believe he has potential.

Sure, I'm just saying that they did learn more about Hundley last night. Can he throw an accurate deep ball in the cold? How does he react when his receivers continually drop crucial passes? How does he react throwing to a guy who has never played a down in a regular season game? Also, I don't care about 'learning more about him' so much as getting him as many snaps as possible if they need him to back up a game or two next year.

Hundley isn't a long term answer as Rodgers' successor. I never thought that. You can't keep that guy on your roster. When Rodgers is finished, or a year or two before they think he is finished, they'll draft a guy they think can start. Hundley is now a career backup. With more snaps, he will probably get good enough to the point where you really trust him to come in a win a game or two. If that's with GB, Stubby now knows a lot better exactly what kind of offense and plays he has to run and in what weather conditions, etc. Callahan shouldn't see the field next week either. Get Hundley tons of snaps.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Sure, I'm just saying that they did learn more about Hundley last night. Can he throw an accurate deep ball in the cold? How does he react when his receivers continually drop crucial passes? How does he react throwing to a guy who has never played a down in a regular season game? Also, I don't care about 'learning more about him' so much as getting him as many snaps as possible if they need him to back up a game or two next year.

Hundley isn't a long term answer as Rodgers' successor. I never thought that. You can't keep that guy on your roster. When Rodgers is finished, or a year or two before they think he is finished, they'll draft a guy they think can start. Hundley is now a career backup. With more snaps, he will probably get good enough to the point where you really trust him to come in a win a game or two. If that's with GB, Stubby now knows a lot better exactly what kind of offense and plays he has to run and in what weather conditions, etc. Callahan shouldn't see the field next week either. Get Hundley tons of snaps.If Hundley is not a permanent fixture but just a guy who fills in when ARod is incapacitated, then it stands to reason he should be gone if the team finds a guy who is better than he is at being just a guy. Right now finding another guy doesn't seem that hard to do.

Why ASSUME that Hundley will be the guy next year? Maybe TT will find a more promising guy in the draft? Or on someone else's practice squad? Hell, maybe a vet like one of the McClown's will be available. At least you know what you'll be getting.

[mraynrand]

If Hundley is not a permanent fixture but just a guy who fills in when ARod is incapacitated, then it stands to reason he should be gone if the team finds a guy who is better than he is at being just a guy. Right now finding another guy doesn't seem that hard to do.

Why ASSUME that Hundley will be the guy next year? Maybe TT will find a more promising guy in the draft? Or on someone else's practice squad? Hell, maybe a vet like one of the McClown's will be available. At least you know what you'll be getting.

Sure, that's all fine. The point is that they are giving him as many snaps as possible in case he's the guy and/or to give him a chance to play himself into being the backup guy.

Certainly, his position on the team next year is not guaranteed based on the way he's played, unless Ted is:
http://packerrats.com/image.php?u=219&dateline=1514091480

[Maxie the Taxi]

Sure, that's all fine. The point is that they are giving him as many snaps as possible in case he's the guy and/or to give him a chance to play himself into being the backup guy.

Certainly, his position on the team next year is not guaranteed based on the way he's played, unless Ted is:
http://packerrats.com/image.php?u=219&dateline=1514091480I think they're throwing good money after bad, as organizations sometimes do in order to avoid admitting they were wrong. A harsher critic than me might say that TT and Stubby should have had this Hundley thing figured out long before now. And if they felt they had it figured out, well then I'd say they should accept the consequences of being wrong.

I think your screenshot of TT shows that he knows of what I speak. LOL

[mraynrand]

there's no substitute for actual game experience. Hundley is improving, the problem being that his ceiling is likely too low because of recognition and accuracy issues.

[pbmax]

You give Hundley time to show if he has grown. There is no exact number for how long it might take.

I think Rand is right the we know the ceiling, as the offense is currently constructed, is low for him in Green Bay. But if you want to see if he can improve, he needs snaps.

Giving them to Callahan is pointless since a decision doesn't need to be made on him in the offseason.

[Rutnstrut]

You give Hundley time to show if he has grown. There is no exact number for how long it might take.

I think Rand is right the we know the ceiling, as the offense is currently constructed, is low for him in Green Bay. But if you want to see if he can improve, he needs snaps.

Giving them to Callahan is pointless since a decision doesn't need to be made on him in the offseason.

I don't think Hundley is terrible. I do think the coaching he is currently receiving is limiting him.

[pbmax]

I don't think Hundley is terrible. I do think the coaching he is currently receiving is limiting him.

I was no fan of the offense. But he was missing his favorite receivers in the middle of the field: Adams and Rodgers.

[Tony Oday]

Hundley is fucking terrible. No amount of coaching will help him. TT and MM fooled themselves with him.

[Maxie the Taxi]

You give Hundley time to show if he has grown. There is no exact number for how long it might take.

I think Rand is right the we know the ceiling, as the offense is currently constructed, is low for him in Green Bay. But if you want to see if he can improve, he needs snaps.

Giving them to Callahan is pointless since a decision doesn't need to be made on him in the offseason.None of this makes any sense.

If there's no exact number, then one could argue that he's already had enough snaps to decide.

If his ceiling is low, then we invest time in getting him to "improve" enough to reach his low ceiling?

If we can't decide on Hundley without real game reps, how do you decide if Callahan is better than Hundley without real game reps?

And I don't even have a dog in this hunt. I hope TT finds a different guy altogether, preferably a known-quantity retread with a track record.

[bobblehead]

I don't think Hundley is terrible. I do think the coaching he is currently receiving is limiting him.

The same way it limited Rodgers....same coaching. Nice call genius.

[bobblehead]

None of this makes any sense.

If there's no exact number, then one could argue that he's already had enough snaps to decide.

If his ceiling is low, then we invest time in getting him to "improve" enough to reach his low ceiling?

If we can't decide on Hundley without real game reps, how do you decide if Callahan is better than Hundley without real game reps?

And I don't even have a dog in this hunt. I hope TT finds a different guy altogether, preferably a known-quantity retread with a track record.

Teddy Bridgewater might make a nice backup....

[Harlan Huckleby]

We saw what an excellent backup quarterback looks like last night.

[red]

We saw what an excellent backup quarterback looks like last night.

3rd stringer no?

[Harlan Huckleby]

3rd stringer no?
No, I was thinking of Joe Callahan. Short. Space between his teeth.


Sorry, that didn't work that well, "excellent" spoiled it.

[Rutnstrut]

The same way it limited Rodgers....same coaching. Nice call genius.

Rodgers wins despite stubby not because of him.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Teddy Bridgewater might make a nice backup....Maybe... ...If TT had called Belichick the day Arod went down, we might have had Jimmy Garoppolo here as a backup for 8 weeks. I wonder how the season might have gone differently if that call had been made.

[mraynrand]

Maybe... ...If TT had called Belichick the day Arod went down, we might have had Jimmy Garoppolo here as a backup for 8 weeks. I wonder how the season might have gone differently if that call had been made.

Garappolo isn't a backup. He was picked at a position to be a starter. Those guys only last so long before someone makes a move on them. I think if Rodgers had been lost for the season very early, the Packers might have gone after him.

[mraynrand]

^^^ But it wold have set up a dilemma. Older better QB versus good younger QB with unknown ceiling. Makes you consider trading Rodgers for picks and rolling with Crappola.

[Guiness]

None of this makes any sense.

If there's no exact number, then one could argue that he's already had enough snaps to decide.

If his ceiling is low, then we invest time in getting him to "improve" enough to reach his low ceiling?

If we can't decide on Hundley without real game reps, how do you decide if Callahan is better than Hundley without real game reps?

And I don't even have a dog in this hunt. I hope TT finds a different guy altogether, preferably a known-quantity retread with a track record.

This is along the lines I'm thinking. I think they've seen enough of Hundley to know what they've got, but do they know what Callahan has to offer?

I guess Hundley is likely back next season. Don't know how I feel about that.

[mraynrand]

I guess Hundley is likely back next season. Don't know how I feel about that.

Most likely, but not certain. It's the same deal only better: if Rodgers is healthy, you never see Hundley until mop up time. If Rodgers gets hurt for a short stretch, it's more survivable, because Stubby bette knows what to call with Hundley.

[Bretsky]

Teddy Bridgewater might make a nice backup....

GREAT THOUGHT; as would Bradford.
I'd take any 3 of the Vikings QB's as our backups

[Guiness]

Most likely, but not certain. It's the same deal only better: if Rodgers is healthy, you never see Hundley until mop up time. If Rodgers gets hurt for a short stretch, it's more survivable, because Stubby bette knows what to call with Hundley.

Does he though? That's not what I observed Saturday...

[Guiness]

Most likely, but not certain. It's the same deal only better: if Rodgers is healthy, you never see Hundley until mop up time. If Rodgers gets hurt for a short stretch, it's more survivable, because Stubby bette knows what to call with Hundley.

When was the last time you saw a backup QB taking snaps in mop up time?

[mraynrand]

When was the last time you saw a backup QB taking snaps in mop up time?

that Seattle blow-out last year

[mraynrand]

Does he though? That's not what I observed Saturday...

I think he does. Second half Cleveland. Chicago. Pittsburgh.

Remember in the Vikings game, the Packers are already out of it and he's throwing to a guy who never saw the field before that night. There were drops everywhere and they weren't exactly playing against a chopped liver defense were they? Even Rodgers struggles against that defense. His desperation deep shots were awful, and the INT was horrific.

It's entirely possible that TT and Stubby will go in another direction in the off season.

[mraynrand]

GREAT THOUGHT; as would Bradford.
I'd take any 3 of the Vikings QB's as our backups

I don't think any of them would be satisfied being backups and they may be too expensive/too sought after to keep there long term.

[texaspackerbacker]

Bradford is a damn good QB, but he has a bad record for staying healthy, and thus, wouldn't be a reliable backup. The other two, Keenum and Bridgewater (and I can feel the shitstorm in here coming now hahahaha), I wouldn't take either of them over Brett Hundley.

With the Packers O Line, no immobile QB will do well, and with our WRs and pathetic TEs, any QBs better be Aaron Rodgers-level accurate (and there ain't many like that), because we can count on nobody to get separation from coverage.

[mraynrand]

Bradford is a damn good QB, but he has a bad record for staying healthy, and thus, wouldn't be a reliable backup. The other two, Keenum and Bridgewater (and I can feel the shitstorm in here coming now hahahaha), I wouldn't take either of them over Brett Hundley.

With the Packers O Line, no immobile QB will do well, and with our WRs and pathetic TEs, any QBs better be Aaron Rodgers-level accurate (and there ain't many like that), because we can count on nobody to get separation from coverage.

Maybe we can get Cook back from the Raiders. They don't seem to be using him much anymore.

[call_me_ishmael]

Bradford will keep getting chances for his amazingly-talented-but-fragile body to start. I would <3 Bridgewater to do a tour of duty here.

My personal opinion is no need to keep one back-up for many years. Just find the best non-starter available every year that doesn't cost a draft pick and bring them in. That way you always have a capable body on the cheap. If your back-up QB is in for more than 4 games, your season is very likely over anyway.