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[woodbuck27]

https://coachch.weebly.com/blog/category/all

This Packer Fan has an interesting perspective on what's generally deemed the TRUTH. Remember when TRUTH was 'the Best Policy'? Where did those times go to?:

This Packer fan has the Facts and he's HONEST 'with a twist', as he keeps a lot of it humorous.

Isn't that refreshing (or having a few good laughs) after watching the Lame Joke Sure Mike', that was HC Mike McCarthy and his QB Development Skills and Backup QB Brett Hundley this past Season. :-)

WARNING Cool Aid Drinkers! :idea:

It's damning and Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy; so maybe you might ignore this Post and shuffle right on down to the 'Cool Aid Stand'. :whist:

[woodbuck27]

The following is based on the LINK provided in the first Post of this thread. All credit goes to the Author of that Blog.

" The chart below shows that the Defense remains bad (to slightly trending worse) and the Offense is declining….and, no surprise, the extremely important Point Differential is really trending in the wrong direction."

NOTE: The typical Super Bowl winning team median point differential is 10 points for the season.

https://coachch.weebly.com/uploads/5/7/9/6/57963593/17capture_1_orig.jpg

" The aggregate of Murphy/Thompson/McCarthy/Capers have had 4 of their 9 teams realistically in the hunt, and three of those four were ’09 – ’11. In the last four years only one team, the “Seattle-meltdown-team-of-2014”, was statistically a Super Bowl Team. "

Why has it gotten to this?

a) Packer GM Ted Thompson has not been efficient for many years after the last Super Bowl or adding guys to the roster who can play at a high caliber.

Ted hompsonT didn't draft well and especially so on 'D'. The proof?

Zero Pro Bowl Players.

The Green Bay Packers have very few solid to high quality players to show for so many DRAFTS of Ted Thompson and his Draft Team focusing on Defense. DC Dom Capers was supposed to co-ordinate what Ted Thompson gave or took away from him; but there's no evidence that anything is actually coordinated during Football Games.

b) Dom Capers Defense has been consistently BAD and amongst the worst in the league over the last decade.

'The Myth' and a solid Green Bay Packer Offense:

Mike McCarthy’s offense has been trending in the wrong direction for 6-7 years.

https://coachch.weebly.com/uploads/5/7/9/6/57963593/16capture_1_orig.jpg

" Both the Ranking and the Pts/gm are trending in the wrong direction (Points down and ranking sliding toward yellow). It’s interesting how much better the Offense was that last time Rodgers was out in 2013 than it has been 2017. "

[woodbuck27]

Can anyone blame the losing Season (last) to Injuries and poor Defensive play and that hold up?

https://coachch.weebly.com/uploads/5/7/9/6/57963593/06_5_orig.jpg

This Chart is taken from the LINK above.

it shows that, yet again, the Packers are about average for both the number of injuries and the impact of the players lost.

It demonstrates that well run teams like Philadelphia and New England actually have more injuries, but somehow tend to win anyway.

Is that a factor of LUCK or good management (good coaching) ?

I'll go with the latter and a Pro Sport.

[mraynrand]

It demonstrates that well run teams like Philadelphia and New England actually have more injuries, but somehow tend to win anyway.

Is that a factor of LUCK or good management (good coaching) ?


I'll go with the latter and a Pro Sport.



Philly is 59-53 over the past seven seasons with two playoff appearances, and hasn't won a playoff game since 2008. Is that the model you want the Packer organization to follow?

[pbmax]

Philly is 59-53 over the past seven seasons with two playoff appearances, and hasn't won a playoff game since 2008. Is that the model you want the Packer organization to follow?

Wait until woodbuck discovers the Packers were 30th in adjusted man games lost in 2010 (30th as in 3rd MOST games lost) when they won the Super Bowl. He will immediately demand the Packers organization be styled just like that supremely well run franchise.

[ThunderDan]

Philly is 59-53 over the past seven seasons with two playoff appearances, and hasn't won a playoff game since 2008. Is that the model you want the Packer organization to follow?

Exactly, it was Seattle and before that NO. When those teams fall on bad times the complainers just pick the next up and coming team. Next year will be the LA Rams until they have a bad season.

The reality is there are ~25 teams in the NFL wishing they could have the consistency of NE, PITT or GB. And if it was that easy to duplicate every team in the league should be 8-8 because everybody would be doing the exact same thing.

[Smidgeon]

And the teams to emulate have high draft picks. Except NE.

[Rutnstrut]

Some of you act like those of us that want change wanted drastic all or nothing changes. TT was good at a few things but terrible at not using all available options to better the team. No not go out and sign 10 free agents every year. But one or two in needed positions, and not the cast offs he recently got either. It always seemed like Ted wanted to win his way or no way. That's fine if you have a lot of time. But they don't, and it isn't going to be pretty at the QB position once Rodgers is done.

[pbmax]

Some of you act like those of us that want change wanted drastic all or nothing changes. TT was good at a few things but terrible at not using all available options to better the team. No not go out and sign 10 free agents every year. But one or two in needed positions, and not the cast offs he recently got either. It always seemed like Ted wanted to win his way or no way. That's fine if you have a lot of time. But they don't, and it isn't going to be pretty at the QB position once Rodgers is done.

There are a slew of FAs signed and contributing to wins that argue against this. Plus a Super Bowl win.

This year those FAs delivered squat except for J Evans.

User every available avenue is fine, but the failure rate is as bad and its more expensive.

[ZachMN]

I can only speak for myself but I feel that the implication here is that Rodgers is a once in a lifetime opportunity and despite the 'success' the Packers have had since his arrival that 'success' has been largely due to his talents alone. The powers that be should have done all they could to maximize Rodgers presence and cash it in. I don't feel that was done to the extent it could have been and I don't feel I'm alone in that sentiment.

[mraynrand]

I can only speak for myself but I feel that the implication here is that Rodgers is a once in a lifetime opportunity and despite the 'success' the Packers have had since his arrival that 'success' has been largely due to his talents alone. The powers that be should have done all they could to maximize Rodgers presence and cash it in. I don't feel that was done to the extent it could have been and I don't feel I'm alone in that sentiment.

OK. I'd love to hear what you'd have done differently. It would be nice if you had a track record of directions you wish the team had taken so we could see how well that played out. There are naysayers here who asked for specific draft picks and in some cases, they were right that certain guys the Packers passed on played better for other teams. But I'm just gonna ignore the 20/20 hindsight crap.

[mraynrand]

Some of you act like those of us that want change wanted drastic all or nothing changes.

you sure come across that way. When you start posts with the word "Fire" you're not leaving much room for reasonable debate.

[ZachMN]

OK. I'd love to hear what you'd have done differently. It would be nice if you had a track record of directions you wish the team had taken so we could see how well that played out. There are naysayers here who asked for specific draft picks and in some cases, they were right that certain guys the Packers passed on played better for other teams. But I'm just gonna ignore the 20/20 hindsight crap.

Then why did you respond to my post?

[mraynrand]

Then why did you respond to my post?

Good point. I guess I lost my discipline.

[woodbuck27]

Wait until woodbuck discovers the Packers were 30th in adjusted man games lost in 2010 (30th as in 3rd MOST games lost) when they won the Super Bowl. He will immediately demand the Packers organization be styled just like that supremely well run franchise.

Havn't many Packer fans considered that not much more than an ** anomaly ** given the way it's gone in any other Season of the Murphy, Thompson, McCarthy and Capers Era?

** that's a politically correct choice of words ** :-)

[ZachMN]

OK. I'd love to hear what you'd have done differently. It would be nice if you had a track record of directions you wish the team had taken so we could see how well that played out. There are naysayers here who asked for specific draft picks and in some cases, they were right that certain guys the Packers passed on played better for other teams. But I'm just gonna ignore the 20/20 hindsight crap.

I will say off the top of my head that passing on TJ Watt was a mistake. Yes you always want good cb's but if you have a pass rush your cb's get better.

[George Cumby]

I will say off the top of my head that passing on TJ Watt was a mistake. Yes you always want good cb's but if you have a pass rush your cb's get better.

Fwiw I wanted Watt at that pick as well. But I know fuck all about player evaluation and the rest of the decision making process behind the pick. Yes, Watt had a better rookie season than King, but whether the pick was a mistake can't be accurately judged for some time, maybe not until both their careers are over.

[Pugger]

Fwiw I wanted Watt at that pick as well. But I know fuck all about player evaluation and the rest of the decision making process behind the pick. Yes, Watt had a better rookie season than King, but whether the pick was a mistake can't be accurately judged for some time, maybe not until both their careers are over.

I too was disappointed we didn't take Watt but we needed a corner and King looked good until that shoulder of his put him on IR. Maybe that'll be fixed and he'll be a fine corner for us for years. Now that we will be picking at #14 this is the year to get that EDGE player we so desperately need.

[woodbuck27]

It's so clearly all right here.

I represent Packer Nation.

:pack: I represent the Packers and Aaron Rodgers and another Super Bowl the Right Way. That excludes Mike McCarthy :pack:

[Pugger]

It's so clearly all right here.

I represent Packer Nation.

:pack: I represent the Packers and Aaron Rodgers and another Super Bowl the Right Way. That excludes Mike McCarthy :pack:

The team is in disarray, Rodgers doesn't want Ball and nobody wants to come to GB to be our DC so we aren't winning any Super Bowls any time soon. Murphy will hire a bean counter as our next GM so McCarthy will bolt anyway.

[woodbuck27]

The team is in disarray, Rodgers doesn't want Ball and nobody wants to come to GB to be our DC so we aren't winning any Super Bowls any time soon. Murphy will hire a bean counter as our next GM so McCarthy will bolt anyway.

The obvious question and a Russ Ball Hire as GM; and the rumour that Aaron Rodgers isn't up with Russ Ball (Rumour from a solid source and Jason Wilde):

What is there then to keep Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay?

Mike McCarthy will do anything to save his own skin.

If I'm wrong I get my hopes granted in one end of Season swift swoop:

TT and MM and Dom Capers all removed from their 2017 Positions.

[Zool]

Huh, I guess the sky truly is falling. What ever will we do?! How will we go on with our lives?

[ThunderDan]

Huh, I guess the sky truly is falling. What ever will we do?! How will we go on with our lives?

It’s like middle school girls in here right now.

Did you hear what Donna said about Shelly today?

So much he said/she said it’s unbelievable.

This is what i know will be true for the 2018 season:
The Packers will have a GM
The Packers will have a DC
All coaching positions will be filled
Woodbuck will post any and every article about the Packers from any source, liberally quoting from the article

[George Cumby]

It's so clearly all right here.

I represent Packer Nation.

:pack: I represent the Packers and Aaron Rodgers and another Super Bowl the Right Way. That excludes Mike McCarthy :pack:

I was unaware of this. Was there an email?

[woodbuck27]

I was unaware of this. Was there an email?

:pack:

[Pugger]

It’s like middle school girls in here right now.

Did you hear what Donna said about Shelly today?

So much he said/she said it’s unbelievable.

This is what i know will be true for the 2018 season:
The Packers will have a GM
The Packers will have a DC
All coaching positions will be filled
Woodbuck will post any and every article about the Packers from any source, liberally quoting from the article

It seems to me when McCarthy said something along the lines of - the new GM and me have to be a fit - in his presser the other day and folks believing Ball is a Ted clone when it comes to player acquirement that if Murphy hires Ball Mike and Rodgers will want to leave the Packers. I'll be glad when all of this is over. The rumors running wild up there in GB are getting out of hand.

[mraynrand]

Mike McCarthy will do anything to save his own skin.

I think there's a 50% chance he sacrifices himself to a hungry African tribe.

[alquaal]

I'll be glad when all of this is over. The rumors running wild up there in GB are getting out of hand.
I'm digging it. Who'd of thought a Packerless post season would be this exciting.

[pbmax]

I think there's a 50% chance he sacrifices himself to a hungry African tribe.

Put one foot in front of the other. You have to stack success first.

Try some voodoo before climbing onto the sacrificial platform.

I'll bet that's how they got John Jones.

[pbmax]

After reading the board its clear the only way forward is to hire Sam Hinkie, tank hard for a while (have to trade Rodgers), trust the process and then win.

https://www.si.com/nba/2017/10/11/the-process-sam-hinkie-76ers-fans-joel-embiid-markelle-fultz

[woodbuck27]

After reading the board its clear the only way forward is to hire Sam Hinkie, tank hard for a while (have to trade Rodgers), trust the process and then win.

https://www.si.com/nba/2017/10/11/the-process-sam-hinkie-76ers-fans-joel-embiid-markelle-fultz

Whoever Mark Murphy selects as GM will be 'the Right Guy' because it'll be what it is and a positive change from TT as the GM. It was obvious that TT had to go and his role, will be minimal now with the new position, as he rides into the Sunset with whatever faculties he has left.

MM and Aaron Rodgers will still remain the Packer HC and Starting QB.

The Drama will disappear (somewhat) for some time as we build to FA and the DRAFT.

The Green Bay Packers as a first order of business have to do the necessary PR to overcome the embarrassment that the 2017 Season has been.

[Zool]

It’s like middle school girls in here right now.

Did you hear what Donna said about Shelly today?

So much he said/she said it’s unbelievable.

This is what i know will be true for the 2018 season:
The Packers will have a GM
The Packers will have a DC
All coaching positions will be filled
Woodbuck will post any and every article about the Packers from any source, liberally quoting from the article

It might be entertaining if it weren’t so predictable.

Please don’t leave us hanging. What did MM say about TT? Was it during homeroom? Did you hear Mike doesn’t like Russ? I thought he used to “like like” him.

[pbmax]

You're in my seat!

[woodbuck27]

It’s like middle school girls in here right now.

Did you hear what Donna said about Shelly today?

So much he said/she said it’s unbelievable.

This is what i know will be true for the 2018 season:
The Packers will have a GM
The Packers will have a DC
All coaching positions will be filled
Woodbuck will post any and every article about the Packers from any source, liberally quoting from the article

And you'll still be squeezing your Teen Syndrome Pimples. :-)

[Carolina_Packer]

Well that's tonight's sports report, now it's time for our entertainment report:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAYbutJjFF8