MIKE MCCARTHY ISN’T FOND OF RUSS BALL

[woodbuck27]

https://www.totalpackers.com/2018/01/mike-mccarthy-isnt-fond-russ-ball/

MIKE MCCARTHY ISN’T FOND OF RUSS BALL .... 01/05/2018

" ... Green Bay Packers coach Mike McCarthy has known director of player finance Russ Ball since 1993. In years past, McCarthy has praised Ball and talked about what a great general manager he would make.

Things have apparently soured in that relationship. Former Packers beat writer Bob McGinn wrote a lengthy piece on Friday detailing the relationship. In it, he suggests that if Ball is hired as the Packers’ general manager, McCarthy may consider leaving the Packers. ... "

Comment woodbuck27:

How many Rings are in this Circus? :-)

[red]

don't let the door hit you in the ass

[Carolina_Packer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZ_dhAAYG40

[woodbuck27]

don't let the door hit you in the ass

red I'm praying to the Packer Gods that the roof falls in on Mike McCarthy. :idea:

For the life of me; I cannot get over the fact that so many here are missing the clear fact Mike McCarthy is not a good Guy.

MM either Scapegoated on, or made incredibly poor or clearly unfair decisions in regards to his Coaching Staff from 2017.

It's so clearly assessed and reported:

2017 Season OC Edgar Bennett (Why MM? Where was your loyalty working with him since 2006?)

https://www.totalpackers.com/2018/01...tal+Packers%29

McCarthy: Brett Hundley Wasn’t Prepared

Packers Head Coach Mike McCarthy says Hundley wasn’t prepared.

“I felt that he should’ve been better prepared for the situation that he was put into,” McCarthy said.

So whose fault is that?

Obviously McCarthy — to some degree — scapegoated quarterbacks coach Alex Van Pelt and offensive coordinator Edgar Bennett when he fired them this week.

QB's Coach Alex Van Pelt (Classic Scapegoating MM !) (MM has waffled out of that one in MM's way of waffeling.)


DL Coach Mike Trgovac (That FIRING made zero sense MM as the Packer DL was a bright spot on a lousy Packer 'D' !) " The Packers ranked eighth in rushing yards allowed per carry (3.9), compared to 12th in 2016 and 26th in 2015. In what way was Trgovac failing at his job? "

One of the youngest on The staff Assistant Linebackers Coach Scott McCurley at age 37 Let go. His entire 12-year coaching career has been spent with the Packers. " It’s a little curious that the assistant, McCurley, would go while Moss remains. ILB was perhaps the brightest position on the team in 2017. Second-year man Blake Martinez went from a part-time player to being tied for the league lead in tackles – something no Packers player has accomplished in decades.

Jake Ryan had his second consecutive year of 80-plus tackles. ... injuries (and age) slowed down Clay Matthews, Nick Perry and Vince Biegel. FA Ahmad Brooks met expectations and Reggie Gilbert showed unexpected promise

It’s not Assist. LBer Coach Scott McCurley’s fault that the team let Julius Peppers, who recorded 11 sacks on the year, go back to Carolina.

The way still HC Mike McCarthy let these Coaches go will get around the NFL Pronto. Very likely hamper any quality Coaching hires for the immediate future, or untill Mike McCarthy is FIRED.

It's all right here:

https://www.totalpackers.com/2018/01/thoughts-purge-packers-coaches/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+totalpackers+%28Total+Packers %29

Comment woodbuck27:

PLEASE:

Save the inevitable pain for Packer Nation and FIRE Mike McCarthy ASAP.

[woodbuck27]

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2018/1/5/16854626/packers-could-retain-brian-gutekunst-lose-mike-mccarthy-if-russ-ball-named-gm-nfl-2018

Packers could retain Brian Gutekunst, lose Mike McCarthy if Russ Ball named GM, per report

The Packers still look poised to name Russ Ball as their next general manager, but the incumbent head coach doesn’t appear to be sold on that decision.

" ...(Bob) McGinn says McCarthy directed his anger about Green Bay’s conservative approach to player acquisition at Ball in the recent past. “Russ and Mike were really tight, but they’ve not seen eye-to-eye in a couple of years,” a source told McGinn. Another source also told McGinn that McCarthy told his staff Thursday that he “planned to leave Green Bay for another job” should Ball ascend to the GM seat.

All of this remains speculative for the time being. The Packers could still pivot towards another GM candidate or McCarthy could warm to the idea of working for Ball, with whom he previously had a strong relationship. Still, ..."

Comment woodbuck27:

How does Mike McCarthy slide ..... out of this mess !?

[woodbuck27]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/report-mccarthy-could-depart-packers-depending-on-gm-hire/ar-BBHVn65

Report: McCarthy could depart Packers depending on GM hire

Larry Brown Sports Larry Brown Sports

Grey Papke ........5 hrs ago


Bob McGinn✔@BobMcGinn
At http://bobmcginnfootball.com : Looks like it'll be GM Ball-Exec VP Gutekunst in Green Bay, leaving McCarthy to make decision whether he wants to continue coaching #Packers or not.

12:01 PM - Jan 5, 2018

Have the Green Bay Packers actually selected GM Ball and Exec VP Gutekunst in Green Bay !?

If so and MM follows through on his threat he's going to resign as the Green Bay Packers Head Coach very soon.

Now he might decide that his skin is safer in Green Bay all the same and eat CROW. The thing is he's Irish and known to be stubborn. It sure looks now like TT and MM buddied up late in the 2017 Season and very quietly MM signed a Contract extension to the end of the 2019 Season.

My money is on MM getting around to saving his skin and the Status Quo in Green Bay.

[Bretsky]

like the thread title

Truth be told, hardly anybody would be fond of Cappie Russ if you listen to the media guys and mass of fans calling in

[KYPack]

I can't get my head around a cap guy getting the big chair.

Both Wolf and TT were personnel/scout guys.

Aren't we going away from the template here?

[gbgary]

it's veeerrry disappointing if it happens.

[woodbuck27]

like the thread title

Truth be told, hardly anybody would be fond of Cappie Russ if you listen to the media guys and mass of fans calling in

Here is how it was two days ago:

http://www.1057fmthefan.com/media/audio-channel/8am-are-you-ok-russ-ball-packers-gm

This says it will be Russ Ball.

Who really knows with the Green Bay Organization as the Season was over before we learned that Mke McCarthy was extended one more year to the end of the 2019 Season.

The Packer fans reaction is interesting. :-)

[pbmax]

I can't get my head around a cap guy getting the big chair.

Both Wolf and TT were personnel/scout guys.

Aren't we going away from the template here?

Yes, but you are used to Ron and Ted making the call in the draft room. Russ could put BG or EW in charge of the draft, or have them choose the consensus pick and have Russ give final thumbs up.

I don't think success in the draft comes from being a scout who is in charge. Its valuing the picks, knowing that none of them is 100% guaranteed and listening to the right scouts on the player evaluations.

[red]

maybe having a non scout makes sense.

i'm not saying this happened, but lets say TT spend the full year scouting, along with all the scouts. come draft time, TT only drafts the guys he likes and completely ignore what the rest of his scouts think. wouldn't that be a bad thing?

[Zool]

Maybe a great scout would make a shitty GM. I like to eat, that doesn’t make me a world class chef.

[Smidgeon]

maybe having a non scout makes sense.

i'm not saying this happened, but lets say TT spend the full year scouting, along with all the scouts. come draft time, TT only drafts the guys he likes and completely ignore what the rest of his scouts think. wouldn't that be a bad thing?

It would. Which is why there are usually disaster stories when this happens across the league. People can't keep quiet when their (correct) analysis is ignored.

I'm guessing that was not an issue with TT, that he set the board fairly based on the scouts' inputs. Otherwise they'd be running to greener pastures long ago.

[gbgary]

It would. Which is why there are usually disaster stories when this happens across the league. People can't keep quiet when their (correct) analysis is ignored.

I'm guessing that was not an issue with TT, that he set the board fairly based on the scouts' inputs. Otherwise they'd be running to greener pastures long ago.

the first thing Highsmith said after being hired by Dorsey was how nice it will be to be someplace where he would be trusted. that was your Senior Personnel Executive talking there.

[pbmax]

If Jerry Jones' son can learn to draft, I am going to guess that Ball can.

[Bretsky]

Yes, but you are used to Ron and Ted making the call in the draft room. Russ could put BG or EW in charge of the draft, or have them choose the consensus pick and have Russ give final thumbs up.

I don't think success in the draft comes from being a scout who is in charge. Its valuing the picks, knowing that none of them is 100% guaranteed and listening to the right scouts on the player evaluations.


This job, I THOUGHT.....was an elite NFL Job for a GM

If we hire a cappie it will be a sad state and maybe to be frank I was wrong and elite candidates don't want to be here

[Bretsky]

It would. Which is why there are usually disaster stories when this happens across the league. People can't keep quiet when their (correct) analysis is ignored.

I'm guessing that was not an issue with TT, that he set the board fairly based on the scouts' inputs. Otherwise they'd be running to greener pastures long ago.



Bingo

[pbmax]

the first thing Highsmith said after being hired by Dorsey was how nice it will be to be someplace where he would be trusted. that was your Senior Personnel Executive talking there.

High smith was climbing up the charts in GB. He was trusted plenty.

[pbmax]

It would. Which is why there are usually disaster stories when this happens across the league. People can't keep quiet when their (correct) analysis is ignored.

I'm guessing that was not an issue with TT, that he set the board fairly based on the scouts' inputs. Otherwise they'd be running to greener pastures long ago.

They don't stay quiet if you are losing. There are suddenly a lot of leaks in GB, though most seem to be from the exec board.

[gbgary]

High smith was climbing up the charts in GB. He was trusted plenty.

just tellin ya what he said.

[denverYooper]

Maybe a great scout would make a shitty GM. I like to eat, that doesn’t make me a world class chef.

This happens in other professions all of the time. In my own experience, a number of strong engineers and scientists have made shitty managers.

In TT's case, I believe he was very good at scouting talent AND a good people manager, even if not particularly warm with the public.

[Rastak]

just tellin ya what he said.

He did sound a bit bitter...

[esoxx]

https://www.totalpackers.com/2018/01/mike-mccarthy-isnt-fond-russ-ball/

MIKE MCCARTHY ISN’T FOND OF RUSS BALL .... 01/05/2018

" ... Green Bay Packers coach Mike McCarthy has known director of player finance Russ Ball since 1993. In years past, McCarthy has praised Ball and talked about what a great general manager he would make.

Things have apparently soured in that relationship. Former Packers beat writer Bob McGinn wrote a lengthy piece on Friday detailing the relationship. In it, he suggests that if Ball is hired as the Packers’ general manager, McCarthy may consider leaving the Packers. ... "

Comment woodbuck27:

How many Rings are in this Circus? :-)

Well, we can put this rumor to bed with McCarthy's reported agreement to bring back Joe Philbin and the hiring of WR coach "Jeff Hostetler". M3 isn't going to be bringing guys in and then hauling off and resigning b/c he doesn't like Cappie Russ as GM choice. That would mean Philbin & Hoss would both be in limbo and a new coach in all likelihood would pick his own staff, as he should. McCarthy would be ridiculed in such a scenario. No way that's happening.

[woodbuck27]

Well, we can put this rumor to bed with McCarthy's reported agreement to bring back Joe Philbin and the hiring of WR coach "Jeff Hostetler". M3 isn't going to be bringing guys in and then hauling off and resigning b/c he doesn't like Cappie Russ as GM choice. That would mean Philbin & Hoss would both be in limbo and a new coach in all likelihood would pick his own staff, as he should. McCarthy would be ridiculed in such a scenario. No way that's happening.

MM isn't going anywhere, at least, for another Season.

[Zool]

This happens in other professions all of the time. In my own experience, a number of strong engineers and scientists have made shitty managers.

In TT's case, I believe he was very good at scouting talent AND a good people manager, even if not particularly warm with the public.

Same. Tons of engineers move into management and suck horribly. If Ball can get smart people around him and make sound decisions, he’d be awesome. Most football people have such singular confidence in themselves that it can blind them to other ideas.

[esoxx]

MM isn't going anywhere at least for another Season.

" McCarthy's reported agreement to bring back Joe Philbin and the hiring of WR coach "Jeff Hostetler"..." esoxx

Jeff Hostetler? I'm not seeing anything yet and a 'Jeff Hostetler' connection to Green Bay.

Just a play on words/names. New WR coach Jim Hostler's name reminds of ol' hoss Jeff Hostetler from the NYG. Possibly the worst starting QB to win a SB BTW.

[woodbuck27]

It would. Which is why there are usually disaster stories when this happens across the league. People can't keep quiet when their (correct) analysis is ignored.

I'm guessing that was not an issue with TT, that he set the board fairly based on the scouts' inputs. Otherwise they'd be running to greener pastures long ago.

We have (for whatever were their personal reasons) lost four good 'Front Office' Executives under TT's Tenure as Packer GM.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000819535/article/packers-ceo-we-want-ted-thompson-to-remain-gm

" ..The Packers have watched both John Schneider and Reggie McKenzie leave Green Bay for successful GM assignments with Seattle and Oakland, respectively. It's fair to wonder if the team would eventually aim to promote well-respected director of football operations Eliot Wolf, but those plans are on hold for now." "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dorsey_(American_football)

John Dorsey

Green Bay Packers (2000–2011) - Director of College Scouting.

Green Bay Packers (2012) - Director of Football Operations.

Add Alonzo Highsmith.

[Joemailman]

High smith was climbing up the charts in GB. He was trusted plenty.

By Thompson apparently. I'm assuming his comments were aimed at someone else. Murphy? Ball?

[Bretsky]

Well, we can put this rumor to bed with McCarthy's reported agreement to bring back Joe Philbin and the hiring of WR coach "Jeff Hostetler". M3 isn't going to be bringing guys in and then hauling off and resigning b/c he doesn't like Cappie Russ as GM choice. That would mean Philbin & Hoss would both be in limbo and a new coach in all likelihood would pick his own staff, as he should. McCarthy would be ridiculed in such a scenario. No way that's happening.


AGREE

[Bretsky]

By Thompson apparently. I'm assuming his comments were aimed at someone else. Murphy? Ball?


That is how I read it as well

[pbmax]

just tellin ya what he said.

Right, and I think his success in GB means he must be talking about Cleveland and Dorsey, not GB and Murphy.

He also got a promotion and likely a pay raise in the move. He was telling people that this development was great.

[pbmax]

By Thompson apparently. I'm assuming his comments were aimed at someone else. Murphy? Ball?

Ball has no authority over Highsmith.

Murphy doesn't interact with him regularly. The only topic here would be Alonzo getting an interview with Murphy about being Packers GM.

Maybe three internal candidates were enough.

[Joemailman]

Ball has no authority over Highsmith.

Murphy doesn't interact with him regularly. The only topic here would be Alonzo getting an interview with Murphy about being Packers GM.

Maybe three internal candidates were enough.

I think that was the topic. I think Highsmith felt he deserved a chance for an interview, but wasn't getting it because someone at the top doesn't trust him. I think he was referring to Murphy, although we don't know exactly how much Ball's role has expanded in recent years beyond managing the cap.

[pbmax]

I think that was the topic. I think Highsmith felt he deserved a chance for an interview, but wasn't getting it because someone at the top doesn't trust him. I think he was referring to Murphy, although we don't know exactly how much Ball's role has expanded in recent years beyond managing the cap.

Actually, we have an idea.

Cohen: The media guide says his daily supervision includes the following departments: athletic training, equipment, video, corporate travel, player development, family programs and public relations

Plus the fact that none of the personnel lieutenants seem to lack titles Ball has.

[esoxx]

He did sound a bit bitter...

I also viewed Highsmith's comment as a shot against the Packer organization on the way out of town.

[Pugger]

I hope Ball stays as the numbers guy with Gut.

[gbgary]

He did sound a bit bitter...

yup. that statement was pretty telling.

[gbgary]

I hope Ball stays as the numbers guy with Gut.

NOT if his hardball tactics continue with Gutenheimerschmidt!!

[gbgary]

Right, and I think his success in GB means he must be talking about Cleveland and Dorsey, not GB and Murphy.



you mean thompson. i took it as him saying his input wasn't trusted/valued by thompson.

[Zool]

I also viewed Highsmith's comment as a shot against the Packer organization on the way out of town.

How does he feel about Applebee’s?

[esoxx]

How does he feel about Applebee’s?

He prefers Chili's.

[pbmax]

you mean thompson. i took it as him saying his input wasn't trusted/valued by thompson.

My theory was that he was talking about the exciting new opportunity in front of him, not a comment on the people he was disappointed by (GB and Murphy in that case).

I have moved more to the camp that thinks it meant he wasn't going to get an interview for GM from Murph.

[pbmax]

He prefers Chili's.

I would go to the Chili's in the ads with women in shorts and tied off shirts. But when I have gone to Chili's its businessmen drowning sorrows in the bar and families eating with virtually no midriffs visible anywhere.

And I admit, the city dwelling hipster in me is always disappointed to leave and see the mall just next door. :lol:

[woodbuck27]

Just a play on words/names. New WR coach Jim Hostler's name reminds of ol' hoss Jeff Hostetler from the NYG. Possibly the worst starting QB to win a SB BTW.

Yes esoxx and I immediately hit Google hahaha:

I know your bright.

Also: I'm not like some on this board, that actually jump all onto any little typo, misspelling or other rather mundane error in a post. I like to think as a decent person with self respect, fairness and good manners.

Spelling and Typo Nazi's demonstrate 'Monkey Intelligence' where I come from. You'd be hog tied and tossed to sleep all night, outside of the Camp; while the REAL Boys had a whale of a time.

Here being analytical and passing opinion, following observation and digging out Packer elated News, is Earth Shaking to some. Looking at a lot of this and decisions by Packer Management, is supposed to be fun, and not grounds to be commited to Solitary. :-)

Really anyone with 'thin skin' here is in a heap of pain. :idea:

This Forum is named Packer...rats and NOT Packer... Saints. :-)