Official Super Bowl LII Game Day Thread

[red]

lol

good groupon ad

[red]

why do they keep using weird looking madden version of players during the graphics?

[Joemailman]

32-26 Eagles and 14:09 Remains in the 4th Qtr.

Let us know how it turns out.

[ThunderDan]

1 punt so far this game.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Interesting that NE is huddling up when they had so much success with the no huddle.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Eagles have no pass rush this game

[red]

are we over 1000 yards yet?

[pbmax]

Game is over. Eagles out of ideas.

[ThunderDan]

are we over 1000 yards yet?

We must be. Pats over 550.

[Cheesehead Craig]

It's like a PAC 10 game out there.

[SMBASS]

Eagles D is looking pretty pedestrian at this point. No pressure, no turnovers, no big plays.

[ThunderDan]

Game is over. Eagles out of ideas.

Nope, whoever has the ball last wins.

[red]

just unfair

[woodbuck27]

Let us know how it turns out.

The Post was for posterity.

I assume your watching the game although never sure what a lot of you fellas are seeing. :-)

[Cheesehead Craig]

Did Capers take over the Iggles defense?

[Rutnstrut]

GRONK!!!!!!

[red]

no al, they don't have their first lead of the night, they still have to kick the extra point

[beveaux1]

No pass rush means no stops on 3rd down. Look familiar.

[pbmax]

It's like a PAC 10 game out there.

Maybe the WAC.

[SMBASS]

Michaels and Collinsworth are happy now.

[beveaux1]

I thought that going for 2 on the 2nd Philly TD would come back to haunt them.

[woodbuck27]

The Post was for posterity.

I assume your watching the game although never sure what a lot of you fellas are seeing. :-)

So again for posterity and.....as it gets to:

The Patriots are on Top of it now leading 33-32 with 9:22 left in the game and it's going to be another Patriots Super Bowl.

Hoody Genius and Tom Brady and Company getting it done as usual.

[ThunderDan]

This ad is pretty funny. Alexa loosing her voice.

[SMBASS]

I thought that going for 2 on the 2nd Philly TD would come back to haunt them.

I wasn't sure how big it would end up being but I didn't like the idea of chasing the points that early in the game.

[George Cumby]

Game is over. Eagles out of ideas.

I’m afraid you are right.

[pbmax]

I thought that going for 2 on the 2nd Philly TD would come back to haunt them.

It won’t. Pats are going to score again. Eagles probably not.

[Rutnstrut]

The city of Philly is screwed no matter what. The savages will riot lose or win.

[woodbuck27]

The NEW ENGLAND Patriots = GREATNESS.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Philly needs a 9 min scoring drive.

[ThunderDan]

I wasn't sure how big it would end up being but I didn't like the idea of chasing the points that early in the game.

It was great for the 2&2 square for the halftime score.

[pbmax]

The city of Philly is screwed no matter what. The savages will riot lose or win.

:roll:

[red]

hold on, did i just see chung back out there?

he was knocked out earlier

[woodbuck27]

1033 Yards of Total Both Teams of Offense now with 8:35 remaining in the 4th Qtr..

Unbelievable.

[SMBASS]

It was great for the 2&2 square for the halftime score.

I like seeing strange scoring so that some of squares with the least odds end up winning.

[pbmax]

hold on, did i just see chung back out there?

he was knocked out earlier

Yeah. He’s back.

[ThunderDan]

hold on, did i just see chung back out there?

he was knocked out earlier

Yup, Chung is back.

[red]

1033 Yards of Total Both Teams of Offense now with 8:35 remaining in the 4th Qtr..

Unbelievable.

the oldsuper bowl record for total yards was 929

[ThunderDan]

hold on, did i just see chung back out there?

he was knocked out earlier

Easier to pass the concussion protocol during the Super Bowl.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Ballsy calls by Peterson tonight.

[pbmax]

Great call throw and catch.

[red]

if you're knocked out then that means you have a concussion

[beveaux1]

Philly not going away. Foles has ice water in his veins.

[red]

Easier to pass the concussion protocol during the Super Bowl.

guess so

[pbmax]

if you're knocked out then that means you have a concussion

Pretty much.

[Rutnstrut]

I don't think Chung was knocked out. He only missed a play or two.

[red]

hey peyton does kinda look like a minion with that giant forehead

[red]

I don't think Chung was knocked out. He only missed a play or two.

the philly player was signalling the pats bench that he was asleep

he got up and was obviously woozy, and needed help getting to the sideline

[Rutnstrut]

Nice hold not called there.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Foles has been phenomenal

[woodbuck27]

the oldsuper bowl record for total yards was 929

Yes and that went down with over 3 Minutes remaining in the 3rd Qtr.

The game is interesting again thanks to Nick Foles play.

[ThunderDan]

if you're knocked out then that means you have a concussion

Nope, I was in a bike accident and got knocked out. I needed 30 stitches to close the gash and a couple pints of blood. I passed the concussion test.

[red]

why did the steelers get rid of harrison?

they weren't even playing him

[woodbuck27]

Nick Foles looks super cool in this game.

[ThunderDan]

Chung double concussed??

[pbmax]

I remember when the Packers used to see zone.

[beveaux1]

Nick Foles looks super cool in this game.

Worth the 6 million they're paying him.

[red]

Nope, I was in a bike accident and got knocked out. I needed 30 stitches to close the gash and a couple pints of blood. I passed the concussion test.

i think you had a bad doctor then

were you knocked out, or were you in shock and just couldn't remember what happened?

and when was this, back in the days of getting your "bell rung" or more recently

[pbmax]

Nope, I was in a bike accident and got knocked out. I needed 30 stitches to close the gash and a couple pints of blood. I passed the concussion test.

Unless you were unconscious from loss of blood I’d get a new doctor. ;)

[red]

maybe after his showing in the playoffs, foles can get a slimmer hotter woman

[pbmax]

Horrible going out of bounds.

[red]

Chung double concussed??

thats when the permanent damage happens

[Cheesehead Craig]

Horrible going out of bounds.

+1

[woodbuck27]

The Quote of the Game:

"This game has been just as good as Justin Timberlake." Chris Collinsworth

[red]

gotta get that clock going

[Cheesehead Craig]

If Philly can get a 1st here, they will win

[ThunderDan]

i think you had a bad doctor then

were you knocked out, or were you in shock and just couldn't remember what happened?

and when was this, back in the days of getting your "bell rung" or more recently

I was knocked out. Woke up on a back board being put into the ambulance.

Got concussed twice in football. Felt nothing alike. Couldn’t stand light for a few days. Was fine after the 30 stitches no after affects.

[woodbuck27]

Worth the 6 million they're paying him.

I liked that guy when he was first an Eagle.

[red]

way too much time for brady

so, we get to play, "is it a catch again"

yay

[Rutnstrut]

If the Jesse James play was not a catch, this one wasn't.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Way too much time left.

[woodbuck27]

If he makes the catch and breaks..yes there you go ..breaking the plane of the Goal Line as a runner ...TD !

[pbmax]

It’s a TD or I never watch another game.

[red]

I was knocked out. Woke up on a back board being put into the ambulance.

Got concussed twice in football. Felt nothing alike. Couldn’t stand light for a few days. Was fine after the 30 stitches no after affects.

you're lucky, i couldn't stand light for almost 6 months once

[beveaux1]

They're going to overturn it.

[Joemailman]

If that's not a TD, the rule has to change.

[red]

It’s a TD or I never watch another game.

al and chris are just trying to stir shit

[Rutnstrut]

It’s a TD or I never watch another game.

It hasn't been during the regular season.

[ThunderDan]

3 steps before contact, got to be touchdown.

[SMBASS]

STFU Michaels and Collinsworth! The ball was in his possession and a yard past the goal line when it hit the ground!

[red]

If that's not a TD, the rule has to change.

if thats not a TD then the sport needs to go away

[Guiness]

They're going to overturn it.

Catch, fumble and recovery imo

[red]

how is he not the fucking runner, he traveled 7 yards with the fucking ball

[beveaux1]

TD!!

[red]

ertz has a hot wife

foles should take lessons

[beveaux1]

TD wins it for NE.

[Cheesehead Craig]

That was DPI

[pbmax]

DPI

[red]

that play didn't look right

not sure anyone fell for the play fake when the RB was 10 yards away from the ball

[ThunderDan]

Shoved him before the ball got there on the 2 pointer.

[Rutnstrut]

That was DPI

They've been letting it slide both ways all night.

[red]

brady becomes the all time god of football if they win this one

[beveaux1]

They've been letting it slide both ways all night.

Very true.

[pbmax]

Grits Blitz. TD or sack.

[red]

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[beveaux1]

FUMBLE!!

[woodbuck27]

The score with the ball in Tom Brady's hands with 2:21 remaining in the game....PRESSURE on the Eagles vanished 'D'.

38-33 Eagles.

[pbmax]

Good timing.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Yes! Yes! Fucking yes!

[red]

what a defensive play

[woodbuck27]

Holy Cow look at that...Brady SACKED and with 2:09 remaining it's looking good for Philly now.

[SMBASS]

Instead of bitchin about the TD Michaels and Collinsworth should have been questioning the lack of PI call on the 2 pt. conversion.

Turnover like I was hoping for! Iggles ball!

[red]

tell you what, it feels really good not to have a horse in this race

[ThunderDan]

Still not over because of the missed 2 point conversion.

[pbmax]

So Brady is human.

[woodbuck27]

Their at the 2 Minute Warning and the Pats are out of Time Outs.

[red]

gotta get points foles

[Cheesehead Craig]

Come on Philly, just one more 1st down.

[red]

Still not over because of the missed 2 point conversion.

still a long FG try here too

not a gimme

[beveaux1]

What do you do on 3rd and 5? Does Pederson pass?

[ThunderDan]

578 for Eagles D.

[red]

if you were ever to drive your jeep like that in real life you would void your warranty

[Rutnstrut]

What do you do on 3rd and 5? Does Pederson pass?

It wouldn't shock me.

[pbmax]

Pass only if you don’t like this FG distance.

[red]

What do you do on 3rd and 5? Does Pederson pass?

get the clock running, kick the FG

[woodbuck27]

What do you do on 3rd and 5? Does Pederson pass?

NO.

[woodbuck27]

Brady has loads of time.

Hahaha.

[red]

well, you can't fucking lose yards

[beveaux1]

well, you can't fucking lose yards

Yes you can.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Crushed it

[red]

perfect

[beveaux1]

Clutch.

[ThunderDan]

Boom, now this would eclipse last year if NE wins this.

[red]

what are the chances brady fucks up a second drive in a row to win the game?

[red]

well that didn't work

[pbmax]

That return Cost them time and field position and finally there is pass rush.

[red]

eagles d digging deep

[Cheesehead Craig]

It's coming down to a hail mary.

[red]

same play

[ThunderDan]

Bet NE wishes they had Dick Rod or Janis for the Hail Mary.

[red]

guess what, this balls going to gronk

[pbmax]

Roseman is a cap guy.

[beveaux1]

Bet NE wishes they had Dick Rod or Janis for the Hail Mary.

Bet they wish they had Rodgers.

[Rutnstrut]

Bet NE wishes they had Dick Rod or Janis for the Hail Mary.

Janis would be a star in NE, because hoody would actually use him.

[ThunderDan]

Janis would be a star in NE, because hoody would actually use him.

Funnest thing written on Packerrats ever.

[beveaux1]

Philly wins!

[Rutnstrut]

Bet they wish they had Rodgers.

Why?

[red]

OMG, that almost bounced back to a pat

[beveaux1]

NE hates the NFC East.

[red]

what a great fucking game

[beveaux1]

Why?

He can throw it 70 yds.

[ThunderDan]

Dpi not called on final play. Eagle DB knocked a Pat WR down 25 yards short of the end zone.

[woodbuck27]

Damn I wanted Brady to complete that pass.

[red]

dorsett almost had it

[red]

Dpi not called on final play. Eagle DB knocked a Pat WR down 25 yards short of the end zone.

hogan got drilled

[Cheesehead Craig]

what a great fucking game

That it was.

[woodbuck27]

what a great fucking game

It was like a Pro Bowl Game.

[Rutnstrut]

He can throw it 70 yds.

There was nothing wrong with that Brady pass. Just didn't get lucky.

[pbmax]

Eagle almost cost them that Hail Mary on a rebound. By trying to catch it they threw it back into an open space in the air.

[ThunderDan]

Did that player just allude to not having sex with his wife tonight because he left it all out on the field?

[Bossman641]

Great game.... glad to see ne lose.

[ThunderDan]

It was like a Pro Bowl Game.

Nothing like a Pro Bowl pos game. Actual tackling and amazing effort tonight by both teams.

[beveaux1]

One of the best SBs ever.

[pbmax]

Was a great game.

[pbmax]

Scott Kacsmar @FO_ScottKacsmar

I guess the No. 31 defense showed up tonight, but let's not pretend the Eagles weren't pathetic on defense. They won because their defense was just a bit better and got the key turnover late.


Captain Comeback is always a bright light of positivity.

[red]

boy collingsworth is really trying to shove the idea down our throats that a play in the first half decided the game

[Guiness]

Did that player just allude to not having sex with his wife tonight because he left it all out on the field?

I think so?

[esoxx]

boy collingsworth is really trying to shove the idea down our throats that a play in the first half decided the game

Collingsworth had his head up his ass most of the night. He also said the game was as good as Justin Timberlake's halftime performance. What a fuckin' idiot.

He's horrible.

[SMBASS]

Was a great game.

Great game to watch for not having a dog in the fight. Usually that's all I hope for when the Pack isn't involved. I don't care much for the Eagles but NE going down is just icing on the cake for me.

[woodbuck27]

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2018020400/2017/POST22/eagles@patriots#menu=drivechart&tab=videos

Final Score:

41-33 Philadelphia Eagles over the New England Patriots.

[George Cumby]

All is right in the Universe.

For the moment.

[woodbuck27]

Collingsworth had his head up his ass most of the night. He also said the game was as good as Justin Timberlake's halftime performance. What a fuckin' idiot.

He's horrible.

He's no Tony Romo.

I have to say of all things and this Season I enjoyed the Games handles by Romo and Nance. They do a tremendous job of adding excitement and insight to the game.

[woodbuck27]

One of the best SBs ever.

It wasn't dull.

The clock moved but I don't lie so many commercials.

[Rastak]

Back before I crash for the night....congrats to the Eagles, unreal season...I know this is likely impossible but stay classy Eagles fans.....

[pbmax]

Tonight is a good example of what they need to discuss about the catch rule for next year.

Crossing the goal line after a catch; when do you become a runner? Also answers questions in middle of field.

Also does a catch plus two feet down THEN a bobble but control through to the ground (no ball contact with ground) constitute a catch or an incomplete?

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Collingsworth had his head up his ass most of the night. He also said the game was as good as Justin Timberlake's halftime performance. What a fuckin' idiot.

He's horrible.

I agree that Collinsworth is horrible, but he was right about the game being as good as jt's ht performance.

That performance was not as good as Coldplay's but it was still da bomb.

[channtheman]

Collinsworth used to be one of my favorites. He's gotten worse over the years, and tonight he was awful. Couldn't let the 2 "controversial" (note: actually, not controversial but Collinsworth wants them to be) Eagle TD's go and kept up this idea that the 1st half TD was the play of the game, when if we swap it out for a field goal, it wouldn't have changed the outcome of the game. Great game, made all better by the Pats losing.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Back before I crash for the night....congrats to the Eagles, unreal season...I know this is likely impossible but stay classy Eagles fans.....

Well said ras.

[ThunderDan]

Tonight is a good example of what they need to discuss about the catch rule for next year.

Crossing the goal line after a catch; when do you become a runner? Also answers questions in middle of field.

Also does a catch plus two feet down THEN a bobble but control through to the ground (no ball contact with ground) constitute a catch or an incomplete?

I think if any change is made it needs to be a better definition of going to the ground.

If you get two feet down without first contact the going to the ground rule is waived off. You are a runner at that point.

[mraynrand]

I think if any change is made it needs to be a better definition of going to the ground.

If you get two feet down without first contact the going to the ground rule is waived off. You are a runner at that point.

Do they need to change anything with regard to that? They got the call right.

[ThunderDan]

Do they need to change anything with regard to that? They got the call right.
Tonight they did. They made the opposite call earlier this year against Pitt. Dez Bryant’s catch a few years ago. It needs to be consistent.

[ThunderDan]

Super Bowl MVP at QB to another team before next season. Kind of feel bad for Foles.

[mraynrand]

Tonight they did. They made the opposite call earlier this year against Pitt. Dez Bryant’s catch a few years ago. It needs to be consistent.

Neither of those guys ran with the ball. That was an easy call. I agree that catch rule needs to change at goal and sideline.

[mraynrand]

Super Bowl MVP at QB to another team before next season. Kind of feel bad for Foles.

Why? He should score some serious dollars. And Cleveland is nicer than it's reputation.

[Freak Out]

Collingsworth had his head up his ass most of the night. He also said the game was as good as Justin Timberlake's halftime performance. What a fuckin' idiot.

He's horrible.

I heard that and laughed my ass off!

[texaspackerbacker]

Brady threw for 505 yards, but in the end, his lack of mobility bit him and the Patriots in the ass. Anybody in here want to go on record saying he's better than Aaron Rodgers? Just imagine how unstoppable Rodgers would be if he had the O Line blocking Brady had almost the whole game and the receiver quality Brady has.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Brady threw for 505 yards, but in the end, his lack of mobility bit him and the Patriots in the ass. Anybody in here want to go on record saying he's better than Aaron Rodgers? Just imagine how unstoppable Rodgers would be if he had the O Line blocking Brady had almost the whole game and the receiver quality Brady has.

How did Brady's lack of mobility cost Ne the gm? The fumble was the ol's fault. Tommy almost pulled out yet another comeback. He was awesome, aside from trying to catch that pass.

I blame the Madden curse for this defeat. But regardless of the outcome, belichickism still won in the end.

[woodbuck27]

I heard that and laughed my ass off!

Yea to say that quote which I posted in this Game Thread just after he made it; was more than just a little over the top silly. :-)

[woodbuck27]

Brady threw for 505 yards, but in the end, his lack of mobility bit him and the Patriots in the ass. Anybody in here want to go on record saying he's better than Aaron Rodgers? Just imagine how unstoppable Rodgers would be if he had the O Line blocking Brady had almost the whole game and the receiver quality Brady has.

Dear God. Your putting Tom Brady Down here...come on ! Your smarter than that Tex.

Ignoring the amazing number of yards (500 +) Tom Brady passed for.

That effort he made late in the game looking to complete an important down pass and somehow avoiding giving up a Safety was great. How he escaped that almost tragic result was unreal. He should have been tackled in his own End Zone except for his Houdini Act..

In the second half the Pats were rolling. When New England took that one point lead. What percentage of real football fans do you imagine didn't feel the wind had gone out of the Eagles sails? That Eagles very decent 'D' had vanished. Belichick and Tom Brady and Company were, it certainly looked, on their way to another Super Bowl Title.

Even as that game was coming to it's conclusion Philly HC Doug Pederson looked like his face was frozen 'in all anxiety', to just hear the final whistle with his team as the winner.

In contrast...Bill Belichick looked Cool, Calm and collected. He has a QB named Tom Brady.

Often in every game there's a difference maker and one very determined QB named Nick Foles had another plan.

************************************************** **************************

Who is GREATER as a QB Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers? Given their Resume's !

That question is too silly to even respond to. :whaa:

[mraynrand]

Brady threw for 505 yards, but in the end, his lack of mobility bit him and the Patriots in the ass. Anybody in here want to go on record saying he's better than Aaron Rodgers? Just imagine how unstoppable Rodgers would be if he had the O Line blocking Brady had almost the whole game and the receiver quality Brady has.

Yeah, that was my first instinct too. To blame Brady for that one critical sack as the cause for the loss of the game. I mean, throwing for 500 yards in the championship game and NEVER PUNTING happens all the time. Rodgers of course would have thrown for 700 - it's what mobile QBs do. And he would have overcome a 600 yard debacle by his defense too, because that's what mobile QBs do.

[pbmax]

On that Brady strip sack, Collingsworth also said that moving Brandon Graham into a DT position was akin to what Steve Spagnuolo did with the Giants pass rush in 2007.

Its also what every other team does with its nickel and dime pass rush

But OK.

[pbmax]

Strip Sack in about 8 different languages. Austrian is strong contender, Harlan and Australia make for good radio. I think the French were on an expresso break or the video isn't sync'd correctly to them.



https://content.jwplatform.com/previews/uMpwchQV?exp=1517853600&sig=ccede4dc4ea1d6b7e4a356e77ccb40fb

[Teamcheez1]

If you told me that Tom Brady threw for 500 yards I would have said the Patriots walked away with the game.
The defenses were approaching Dom Capers territory for both teams.

Entertaining game, not an Eagles fan, but not sad to see the Patriots go down.

[pbmax]

Well, Hoody is taking it on the chin for not playing Malcolm Butler for even one snap on defense. He was active but never left the bench to play defense. Eric Rowe started opposite Gilmore and didn't fare well. He played for the Eagles before and a Philly assistant said they knew he was out there and were trying to get Jeffrey matched up on him.

BB said it wasn't disciplinary but using players who gave them best chance to win. Matt Patricia said the same thing and added it was regardless of packages or game situation.

Rowe said he spent all week starting opposite Gilmore in practice but did not find out officially until kickoff.

Sounds like a coaching effort to get a good player to respond backfired on them to me.

https://deadspin.com/where-the-hell-was-malcolm-butler-1822718154

Former Pat DB Brandon Browner thinks Bill screwed the pooch.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BezUdD9jAlh/?taken-by=bbrowner39

[pbmax]

The did not give him a long term contract last offseason and he is a FA this offseason. Clearly the Pats are done with him. But I have no idea what the objections are.

Its possible that a pending contract situation has cost another player a lost season. Remember Jermichael Finley's yips and fear of getting hit?

RapSheet before the game with Butler, MB admits he has not had a good season, says its not contract based. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000914122/article/malcolm-butler-worried-about-eagles-not-next-contract

Its also possible the Patriots see him as a good but not special player. His rookie year (the year of the SB goal line interception) he allowed a QB rating of 97.5 on passes in his direction. In 2016 it was 78.2. In 2017 it was 96.6 this year. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/super-bowl-52-patriots-malcolm-butler-takes-the-blame-for-his-down-season/

[Pugger]

How did Brady's lack of mobility cost Ne the gm? The fumble was the ol's fault. Tommy almost pulled out yet another comeback. He was awesome, aside from trying to catch that pass.

I blame the Madden curse for this defeat. But regardless of the outcome, belichickism still won in the end.

I'd blame the MVP curse more.

[Rutnstrut]

The argument that Rodgers would have done better is pointless. First of all GB has to have good enough coaching to get to the SB. Also Rodgers has to actually stay healthy.

[mraynrand]

The argument that Rodgers would have done better is pointless. First of all GB has to have good enough coaching to get to the SB. Also Rodgers has to actually stay healthy.

I'm betting Stubby would have had Randall play only on ST too.

[mraynrand]

"brady looks like the overconfident european assassin who dies in the last twenty minutes of an action movie"

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVOC6QIXUAE_9qJ.jpg

[Rutnstrut]

I'm betting Stubby would have had Randall play only on ST too.

If stubby ever gets to another Superb Owl, we may see.

[Rutnstrut]

"brady looks like the overconfident european assassin who dies in the last twenty minutes of an action movie"

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVOC6QIXUAE_9qJ.jpg

They didn't lose because of Brady.

[mraynrand]

They didn't lose because of Brady.

no shit

[mraynrand]

On that Brady strip sack, Collingsworth also said that moving Brandon Graham into a DT position was akin to what Steve Spagnuolo did with the Giants pass rush in 2007.

Its also what every other team does with its nickel and dime pass rush

But OK.

Yeah, but that HR specialist who only watches football drunk once a year doesn't know that. But then of course she thinks DT is delirium tremens...

[Anti-Polar Bear]

"brady looks like the overconfident european assassin who dies in the last twenty minutes of an action movie"


https://i1.wp.com/www.geekbinge.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Kingsman-Review.jpg?resize=660%2C400

[pbmax]

So as Collingsworth was confused about how Corey Clements TD could be allowed to stand, he opined that control and two feet needed to be re-establised after the bobbly. It looked like his next step was out of bounds (think it was third after catch).

But Badger Twitter has a photo they wish to share:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVR5aRsU0AAmLl2.jpg:large

[pbmax]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVR5aRwVQAERULN.jpg:large

[pbmax]

Tom Curran on Dan Patrick Show about Patriots and Butler



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWPanQLHnwc

[bobblehead]

How did Brady's lack of mobility cost Ne the gm? The fumble was the ol's fault. Tommy almost pulled out yet another comeback. He was awesome, aside from trying to catch that pass.

I blame the Madden curse for this defeat. But regardless of the outcome, belichickism still won in the end.

Clearly the fault lies with the GM. He fielded a defense that couldn't get a stop all night. Without Brady that organization is crap!!! Fire them all before the waste Brady's last year or 2.

613!!!

[bobblehead]

Yeah, but that HR specialist who only watches football drunk once a year doesn't know that. But then of course she thinks DT is delirium tremens...

And she wouldn't have watched if it were Bortles/Foles...which is why the NFL doesn't call holding on the patriots OL. Or any other penalty. That is one special team that can play the 2 biggest games of the year and only commit 2 penalties between them. 1 token flag each game early on, just so the refs could say "see, we threw a flag on the Patriots too!"

Without the 2 big D holding penalties is this even a game?

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Clearly the fault lies with the GM. He fielded a defense that couldn't get a stop all night. Without Brady that organization is crap!!! Fire them all before the waste Brady's last year or 2.

613!!!

5 rings. 8 games. Less than 2 decades. Way better than a fluke win via that draft and develop bullshit.

Belichick doesn't have to prove anything to anyone anymore. Ditto, TB12. Both are already GOATs.

[mraynrand]

Clearly the fault lies with the GM. He fielded a defense that couldn't get a stop all night. Without Brady that organization is crap!!! Fire them all before the waste Brady's last year or 2.

613!!!

I think you mean 538!

[Guiness]

Does anyone have thoughts on why both defenses uterly collapsed? NE got one stop all game with the interception, and the Eagles defense only fared marginally better, with 2 stops if you don't count the last drive.

[ThunderDan]

Does anyone have thoughts on why both defenses uterly collapsed? NE got one stop all game with the interception, and the Eagles defense only fared marginally better, with 2 stops if you don't count the last drive.

NE got 2 stops. The INT and forced a punt on a 3 and out.

[Carolina_Packer]

Does anyone have thoughts on why both defenses uterly collapsed? NE got one stop all game with the interception, and the Eagles defense only fared marginally better, with 2 stops if you don't count the last drive.

They brought Dom Capers in the consult with Matt Patricia? Just a guess.

[gbgary]

terrific game. i was SO hoping the hail mary would fail. lol

the phi didn't take their foot off the gas the whole game and i think that 4th down call with 5 mins left was the key.

[Teamcheez1]

terrific game. i was SO hoping the hail mary would fail. lol

the phi didn't take their foot off the gas the whole game and i think that 4th down call with 5 mins left was the key.

Entertaining yes, good football, no. Worst defense I have ever seen in a Superbowl.

[pbmax]

Even the great defensive wizard Marty Schottenheimer could only stop Dan Marino in the playoffs for a half before Marino, Shula and whoever figured out the TE was going to be wide open. 2 weeks gives the defense enough time to innovate that much, but it eventually reveals itself.

There were no dominating defensive physical performances to help make it up. Eagles had speed to the edge, Patriots clogged up running lanes pretty well except for one big Blount run. RPO hurt the Patriots during the season and it hurt them last night. Eagles had a limited secondary and Brady torched it.

[call_me_ishmael]

At the end of the day, the same thing that doomed the Patriots was the same thing that doomed the Packers. They didn't have a good pass rush. In the case of the Pats, they traded it all away the past few years.

[RashanGary]

Foles had a bunch of amazing touch mid/deep throws. And his guys somehow caught them. He must throw a really nice, catchable ball. NE didn’t get out coached. They got out played. Congrats to eagles!

Brady has to get old at some point, but he looked fine last night. Damn.

[pbmax]

Even the great defensive wizard Marty Schottenheimer could only stop Dan Marino in the playoffs for a half before Marino, Shula and whoever figured out the TE was going to be wide open. 2 weeks gives the defense enough time to innovate that much, but it eventually reveals itself.

There were no dominating defensive physical performances to help make it up. Eagles had speed to the edge, Patriots clogged up running lanes pretty well except for one big Blount run. RPO hurt the Patriots during the season and it hurt them last night. Eagles had a limited secondary and Brady torched it.

Maybe one came close:

ESPN Stats & Info @ESPNStatsInfo
Tom Brady was 0-of-5 with a sack-fumble when Brandon Graham got pressure Sunday. When any other Eagle pressured Brady he was 6-of-10 for 172 yards and a scramble for 6 yards.

[mraynrand]

Maybe one came close:

ESPN Stats & Info @ESPNStatsInfo
Tom Brady was 0-of-5 with a sack-fumble when Brandon Graham got pressure Sunday. When any other Eagle pressured Brady he was 6-of-10 for 172 yards and a scramble for 6 yards.


This seems like the stat a guy like Capers would cling to if he gave up 613 yards. Well, that and the final score.

[Fritz]

This seems like the stat a guy like Capers would cling to if he gave up 613 yards. Well, that and the final score.


Clearly I was not the only Packer fan watching that last night and thinking "Gee, this is like watching a Packers defense," whether it was the Philly defense or the NE defense on the field.

The thing that stood out most was how much time each QB had to throw. Often the running backs made their own creases or bulled forward (not to say there weren't running lanes), but the amount of time Brady and Foles had to pick out their receivers - holy smokes, it was like watching a Packers' (lack of) pass rush!

Kind of reminded me of that Arizona playoff game a few years ago, when only one team made one big defensive play, and that was the difference in the game.

[Guiness]

Clearly I was not the only Packer fan watching that last night and thinking "Gee, this is like watching a Packers defense," whether it was the Philly defense or the NE defense on the field.

The thing that stood out most was how much time each QB had to throw. Often the running backs made their own creases or bulled forward (not to say there weren't running lanes), but the amount of time Brady and Foles had to pick out their receivers - holy smokes, it was like watching a Packers' (lack of) pass rush!

Kind of reminded me of that Arizona playoff game a few years ago, when only one team made one big defensive play, and that was the difference in the game.

Was the big play a helmet to helmet hit, and the refs kept their flags in their pockets?

I know it was 2 seasons ago, but how much difference would Chandler Jones have made out there last night?

[smuggler]

Strictly speaking, helmet to helmet isn't prohibited in the open field, just the crown of the helmet. But they never call it either way. Biggest play of the game was the interception on the bobble by Alshon Jeffrey. It let New England stay in the game for basically the entire rest of the way, when otherwise Philly would have ran away with it. At least a 10 point swing and could have been a 14 pointer.

[pbmax]

I'm betting Stubby would have had Randall play only on ST too.

Speaking of the lesser of two evils, who do you start when two outside CBs have shortcomings that the opposition will try to take advantage of?

Doug Farrar says Bill probably did not like either of his choices at CB. Links to a report that Butler had some practice reps taken from him starting with the playoff bye week. Both choices (Butler or Rowe) presented problems on the outside and neither is a true natural fit at slot.

Let this serve also as a reminder why FAs from other teams are often terrible choices; no one knows their shortcomings like their original team. Everyone remembers Larry Brown, right? The headline for this piece oversells the idea that there was a more correct choice. The piece details why Belichick was worried about both.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2757835-benching-malcolm-butler-was-bill-belichicks-biggest-super-bowl-mistake?share=twitter

[woodbuck27]

Strictly speaking, helmet to helmet isn't prohibited in the open field, just the crown of the helmet. But they never call it either way. Biggest play of the game was the interception on the bobble by Alshon Jeffrey. It let New England stay in the game for basically the entire rest of the way, when otherwise Philly would have ran away with it. At least a 10 point swing and could have been a 14 pointer.

Yes. That was hugh.

It's 'a fact of life and football and DEFENSE', how one significant play changes things dramatically.

How many times do we as fans know it's necessary for any Teams 'D' to make the big Stop or get the Big Turnover !

[woodbuck27]

Speaking of the lesser of two evils, who do you start when two outside CBs have shortcomings that the opposition will try to take advantage of?

Doug Farrar says Bill probably did not like either of his choices at CB. Links to a report that Butler had some practice reps taken from him starting with the playoff bye week. Both choices (Butler or Rowe) presented problems on the outside and neither is a true natural fit at slot.

Let this serve also as a reminder why FAs from other teams are often terrible choices; no one knows their shortcomings like their original team. Everyone remembers Larry Brown, right? The headline for this piece oversells the idea that there was a more correct choice. The piece details why Belichick was worried about both.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2757835-benching-malcolm-butler-was-bill-belichicks-biggest-super-bowl-mistake?share=twitter


This was thoroughly discussed yesterday on the NFL Network.

There were several factors that led to Belichick benching Malcolm Butler and the likely deciding factor and what Bill Belichick demands of everyone on his Roster, or to be fully engaged in winning the next game. Malcolm Butler screwed himself and is IMO done as a New England Patriot for at least his immediate future and the NFL.

He needs to prove that he has learned the Bill Belichick way ! He won't prove that now on The New England Patriots.

https://247sports.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/Bolt/Malcolm-Butler-appreciative-of-Patriots-doesnt-address-future-after-Super-Bowl-benching--114671391

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Let this serve also as a reminder why FAs from other teams are often terrible choices; no one knows their shortcomings like their original team. Everyone remembers Larry Brown, right? [/url]

Yes, I'm old enough to remember Brown. Had a couple of gimme picks off "Smokin' Bum" O'Donnell in Super Bowl 30 (unlike Cutler, O'Donnell literally smoked cigarettes - or fags, as the Brits are fond of saying - during games). Signed a lucrative contract with Oakland afterward with Al Davis' blessing

I also remember the Polar Bear signing an aging, washed out, injury-prone free agent corner named Charles Woodson. And the Niners literally purchased their last Super Bowl win, which included the acquisition of a cocky free agent named "Neon" Deion Sanders, among others. And, oh, ever since that midget corner left Green Bay as a free agent and signed with the Bolts, he has been a-pimpin'.

Butler is too slow for my liking, so I ain't arguing for the German Shepherd to sign the Super Bowl hero. All I'm saying is, free agency (and trades) can and does help teams win Super Bowls. Just ask the Balding Eggles.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

This was thoroughly discussed yesterday on the NFL Network.

There were several factors that led to Belichick benching Malcolm Butler and the likely deciding factor and what Bill Belichick demands of everyone on his Roster, or to be fully engaged in winning the next game. Malcolm Butler screwed himself and is IMO done as a New England Patriot for at least his immediate future and the NFL.

He needs to prove that he has learned the Bill Belichick way ! He won't prove that now on The New England Patriots.

https://247sports.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/Bolt/Malcolm-Butler-appreciative-of-Patriots-doesnt-address-future-after-Super-Bowl-benching--114671391

Butler's benching is nothing but a conspiracy masterminded by Patricia to get Butler to sign with Detroit at the start of free agency. Had Butler played and picked off Foles in the clutch to seal yet another Super Bowl victory for NE, Ole Bill would have no choice but to franchise the Super Bowl hero. ;-)

In all seriousness, I concur with those who believe that Belichick erred in benching Butler. Unless you have a better replacement, and from what I've read, NE didn't, you have to go with the guy with the experience, especially in the NFL's grandest stage. Butler's a Super Bowl hero, for Gaylord Focker's sake! Bench Butler for Rowe? A corner who makes Damarious Randall look like Darrell Green? :huh:

[pbmax]

Malcolm Butler was so poorly regarded via the Patriot Way that he started 97.8% of the defensive snaps this year. Definitely sounds like a guy they don't believe in.

:roll:

[pbmax]

Yes, I'm old enough to remember Brown. Had a couple of gimme picks off "Smokin' Bum" O'Donnell in Super Bowl 30 (unlike Cutler, O'Donnell literally smoked cigarettes - or fags, as the Brits are fond of saying - during games). Signed a lucrative contract with Oakland afterward with Al Davis' blessing

I also remember the Polar Bear signing an aging, washed out, injury-prone free agent corner named Charles Woodson. And the Niners literally purchased their last Super Bowl win, which included the acquisition of a cocky free agent named "Neon" Deion Sanders, among others. And, oh, ever since that midget corner left Green Bay as a free agent and signed with the Bolts, he has been a-pimpin'.

Butler is too slow for my liking, so I ain't arguing for the German Shepherd to sign the Super Bowl hero. All I'm saying is, free agency (and trades) can and does help teams win Super Bowls. Just ask the Balding Eggles.

If you get the right player, any player acquisition helps. Its the hit rate of getting the right player plus the cost that is the problem.

Ted did not abandon FA, he just used it infrequently. He used it when certain (Woodson, Peppers) in dire need (Pickett) or in dire need but suffering from a head cold (couple of safeties, Frank Walker, Brandon Chillar). If the hit rate is the same as drafting (and what I have read said its about 50%) then its vastly more expensive than the draft with no more certainty.

If you have no choice, you are going to get hurt worse than in the draft. Going after role players makes sense since they won't be signing in the dumb money portion. But I would not mind the Packers getting in on more FA tours early in the process just to see what happens (and I think that is what BG was talking about in his press conference). But to make that pay, you have to be certain and hit better than 500.

I definitely think they could do more trades and fill some gaps in depth. I don't want them trading many draft picks though unless they are going to start dumping vets like the Pats do to get the picks back.

[bobblehead]

5 rings. 8 games. Less than 2 decades. Way better than a fluke win via that draft and develop bullshit.

Belichick doesn't have to prove anything to anyone anymore. Ditto, TB12. Both are already GOATs.

613
And couldn't stop a backup QB. Nothing but a crappy team that is helped by the refs and cheating. They aren't even good if they play legal much less great.

CHOKE!!

[bobblehead]

I think you mean 538!

Oh yea. NE got 613. Both teams are frauds.

[bobblehead]

Strictly speaking, helmet to helmet isn't prohibited in the open field, just the crown of the helmet. But they never call it either way. Biggest play of the game was the interception on the bobble by Alshon Jeffrey. It let New England stay in the game for basically the entire rest of the way, when otherwise Philly would have ran away with it. At least a 10 point swing and could have been a 14 pointer.

Was that when they called a defensive holding play on 3rd down to keep NE alive as well right after that?

[woodbuck27]

In place of Malcolm Butler's Pats HC Bill Belichick started CB Eric Rowe

Rowe allowed six catches for 79 yards and a touchdown on a team-high nine targets. REF: Phil Perry and Mike Giardi of NBC Sports Boston.

There was this relatively early in the game. With 2:34 left in the first quarter, Alshon Jeffery beat Rowe on a vertical route and out jumped him for a 34-yard score. Did Belichick look seriously to Malcolm Butler after that TD !?...NO !

Eric Rowe's overall performance left everyone wondering why Butler wasn't added to the field at some point...."

Bill Belichick's decision to bench Malcolm Butler turned the Patriots into a three-safety team in Defensive sub-packages. Patrick Chung and Jordan Richards were vulnerable targets in coverage and Chung was actually absent for a portion of the game after he was taken out for precautionary observation.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...r-bowl-mistake

Benching Malcolm Butler Was Bill Belichick's Biggest Super Bowl Mistake

BY: DOUG FARRAR .... FEBRUARY 6, 2018

" This domino effect is exactly what one would expect Belichick to anticipate; that he caused it by benching Butler makes this a possible game-losing call. It's the kind of regrettable decision that Belichick's opponents usually make, and Pederson made him pay. "

[pbmax]

Mike Tanier @MikeTanier
Re: Butler, etc.
The same "#Patriots Way" approach/methodology that wins 5 Super Bowls can result in losing a 6th. If you love the approach when it (constantly) works, you must accept it when it (rarely) fails.


FIRE BELICHICK!

[pbmax]

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/14577884/ranking-new-nfl-head-coaching-hires-hue-jackson-cleveland-browns-first

Ranking 2015 New Coaching Hires in 2015

1. Hue Jackson 1-31
2. Chip Kelly 2-14
3. Adam Gase 16-16
4. Drik Koetter 14-18
5. Ben McAdoo 13-15
6. Doug Pederson 20-12


Ian O'Connor nearly reversed reality. He claims (and I cannot dispute it) that Pederson was the third choice after Coughlin said no and McAdoo cancelled the second interview when he got the Giants job.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

If you get the right player, any player acquisition helps. Its the hit rate of getting the right player plus the cost that is the problem.

Ted did not abandon FA, he just used it infrequently. He used it when certain (Woodson, Peppers) in dire need (Pickett) or in dire need but suffering from a head cold (couple of safeties, Frank Walker, Brandon Chillar). If the hit rate is the same as drafting (and what I have read said its about 50%) then its vastly more expensive than the draft with no more certainty.

If you have no choice, you are going to get hurt worse than in the draft. Going after role players makes sense since they won't be signing in the dumb money portion. But I would not mind the Packers getting in on more FA tours early in the process just to see what happens (and I think that is what BG was talking about in his press conference). But to make that pay, you have to be certain and hit better than 500.

I definitely think they could do more trades and fill some gaps in depth. I don't want them trading many draft picks though unless they are going to start dumping vets like the Pats do to get the picks back.

If you have an elite QB, free agency and trades work even better. It's called "Belichickism," in case you didn't know.

The draft is crapshoot. Tony Gonzalez is Tony Gonzalez. That 2nd round pick that Thompson refuses to give up for Gonzalez? That's a mystery. And cost and cap hell aren't that big of a deal in this day and age of soaring revenues and titanic TV contracts.

[woodbuck27]

613
And couldn't stop a backup QB. Nothing but a crappy team that is helped by the refs and cheating. They aren't even good if they play legal much less great.

CHOKE!!

https://cdn.govexec.com/media/img/upload/2013/10/18/mentalhealth/medium.jpg

Comment woodbuck27:

I like to try to keep the Politics and the Hate Factor out of any discussion and Sports. Otherwise, I believe that 'the Idiot Watch' Alert Light ON ... applies!

Is this really necessary!?

http://www.jimdriver.com/wp-content/uploads/idiot_001.jpg

Trying to serve any discussion on the side of being objective rather than subjective and nonsense. I offer this:

QUESTION:

Are the New England Patriots the greatest franchise in NFL history?

Have a look at this and 'just one man's view' of that question:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/are-the-new-england-patriots-the-greatest-franchise-in-nfl-history-nope-and-it%E2%80%99s-not-even-close/ar-BBItWDp#page=1

Are the New England Patriots the Greatest NFL Franchise in NFL History?

There's a strong argument that says that by far their not !

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