Defensive Backs

[Tony Oday]

Who do you want?

Would love Rashaan Melvin, seems like he could be great against bigger WR, King plays up to what the coaches think he can and if we got REALLY lucky and got Trumaine Johnson (not likely) our DBs would be instantly better this year.

[bobblehead]

My prediction is that Herb Waters will start opposite King this year unless we break the bank for a FA.

[Tony Oday]

My prediction is that Herb Waters will start opposite King this year unless we break the bank for a FA.

Would be nice if he stepped up and took the job.

[Upnorth]

RE Melvin, I think Dennard of the bengals has more upside, is the same level of risk, and could be far cheaper

[gbgary]

they could have had one of the best ones last week with a lame trade but didn't. now it's pay the new market price for one of what's left. they'd better not wait too long. the best of what's left will be gone QUICK and they'll be left with the worst defensive backfield for another year.

[pbmax]

My prediction is that Herb Waters will start opposite King this year unless we break the bank for a FA.

Don't sleep on Smoke Waters!

[denverYooper]

I just hope he brings the Tijuana Brass.

[pbmax]

I just hope he brings the Tijuana Brass.

It doesn't make me want to play DB, but it does make me want to eat some dessert.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NC38-qqiVgg

[woodbuck27]

they could have had one of the best ones last week with a lame trade but didn't. now it's pay the new market price for one of what's left. they'd better not wait too long. the best of what's left will be gone QUICK and they'll be left with the worst defensive backfield for another year.

Last year the Packers were all in and drafting RB's.

This year after signing a potential REAL difference makers on offense in TE Jimmy Graham; a possible PLUS on the DL in Muhammed Wilkerson and trading for a better option at Backup QB:

It has to be some real priority and speed at DB and WR. We need to see 'Ballers' added at these vital in the NFL today Roster Positions.

[Tony Oday]

Packers and Raiders have expressed interest in signing free-agent CB Rashaan Melvin. https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/974021481108779008?s=19

[call_me_ishmael]

Hmm, googled him and his wikipedia article says he's a Packer already. Strange.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashaan_Melvin

[Freak Out]

That's wikepedia for you.

[wist43]

It doesn't make me want to play DB, but it does make me want to eat some dessert.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NC38-qqiVgg

lol... I remember that album from when I was a kid :)

[woodbuck27]

Hmm, googled him and his wikipedia article says he's a Packer already. Strange.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashaan_Melvin

Your correct..that`s funny.

No. 30 – 13x World Champion Green Bay Packers

Position:Cornerback

Wiki Premonition.

[Fritz]

lol... I remember that album from when I was a kid :)

By god, there's hope for the world, Wist. We do have something in common after all. I remember that album cover very well.

I used to stare at that album cover as a boy. My first porn.

[Pugger]

lol... I remember that album from when I was a kid :)

Me too. We must be getting old. :lol:

[mraynrand]

I used to stare at that album cover as a boy. My first porn.

#metoo

I've had a trumpet since the fifth grade. I remember telling Mom "Hey, I'm taking that Herb Alpert record to my room and work on some of the songs" Later, Mom calls up to the room: "Hey, why did you stop playing?"

[Teamcheez1]

Herb Waters was did not receive the minimum salary tender as an exclusive rights free agent. He is now a free agent.

[woodbuck27]

This is how it looked before yesterday, and the opening of the 2018 Season:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000916998/article/top-10-defensive-backs-to-pursue-in-free-agency-2018-nfl-draft

Top 10 defensive backs to pursue in free agency, 2018 NFL Draft

By Gil Brandt ... NFL Media senior analyst

Published: Feb. 21, 2018 at 02:40 p.m. Updated: Feb. 23, 2018 at 09:19 a.m.

[woodbuck27]

Herb Waters was did not receive the minimum salary tender as an exclusive rights free agent. He is now a free agent.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/11873/herb-waters

Herb Waters | Defensive Back

[Fritz]

#metoo

I've had a trumpet since the fifth grade. I remember telling Mom "Hey, I'm taking that Herb Alpert record to my room and work on some of the songs" Later, Mom calls up to the room: "Hey, why did you stop playing?"


Little did she know, you were just getting started.


https://media1.tenor.com/images/8dd2f5811711a610e6ad24a7d36ac79d/tenor.gif?itemid=7320811

[woodbuck27]

http://www.nfl.com/videos/baldys-breakdowns/0ap3000000921663/How-will-Malcolm-Butler-impact-the-Titans-Film-Review

Our CB's situation is bad! Do we have anything like a Malcolm Butler in an NFL that's clearly about winning the passing game?

How much pressure does a BAD Packer Passing Defense place on a solid Offense, before that Offense cannot keep up?

Why weren't the Packers in play for the services of a Top CB like Malcolm Butler?

[Tony Oday]

http://www.nfl.com/videos/baldys-breakdowns/0ap3000000921663/How-will-Malcolm-Butler-impact-the-Titans-Film-Review

Our CB's situation is bad! Do we have anything like a Malcolm Butler in an NFL that's clearly about winning the passing game?

How much pressure does a BAD Packer Passing Defense place on a solid Offense, before that Offense cannot keep up?

Why weren't the Packers in play for the services of a Top CB like Malcolm Butler?

Because he got benched in the SB and I'm guessing wants big money.

[woodbuck27]

Because he got benched in the SB and I'm guessing wants big money.

https://nesn.com/2018/03/nfl-rumors-malcolm-butler-signing-with-titans-after-four-seasons-with-patriots/

" ..Butler’s contract will be a five-year, $61 million deal with $30 million guaranteed, a source told NFL Media’s Ian Rapoport. That’s a massive pay raise for the 27-year-old, who played the 2017 season on a one-year, $3.91 million tender and made $600,000 or less in each of his first three NFL seasons. ....** "

** That information might get me interested as any GM and just how much of a raise Malcolm Butlers Agent says he's after.

Current Contract SPOTRAC:

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tennessee-titans/malcolm-butler-15769/

[ND72]

I know it's likely a stretch...but I would LOVE Rashaan Melvin & Tyraan Mathieu. Melvin opposite King gives us 2 tall CB's with speed. With Mathieu, it gives us flexibility with Dix, Jones & him. Mathieu is more of a slot coverage guy, and has a lot of punch...short, but I like his spunk. I think Wilkerson & Mathieu would bring us that attitude on defense Daniels has been hoping for.

[woodbuck27]

I know it's likely a stretch...but I would LOVE Rashaan Melvin & Tyraan Mathieu. Melvin opposite King gives us 2 tall CB's with speed. With Mathieu, it gives us flexibility with Dix, Jones & him. Mathieu is more of a slot coverage guy, and has a lot of punch...short, but I like his spunk. I think Wilkerson & Mathieu would bring us that attitude on defense Daniels has been hoping for.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/03/15/cornerback-rashaan-melvin-visiting-raiders-on-friday/

Cornerback Rashaan Melvin visiting Raiders on Friday

Posted by Curtis Crabtree on March 15, 2018, 11:56 PM EDT

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-tyrann-mathieu-becomes-a-versatile-boost-to-the-free-agent-class

Tyrann Mathieu becomes a versatile boost to the free agent class

BY: STEVE PALAZZOLO • TYRANN MATHIEU • MAR 15, 2018

[woodbuck27]

REF:

https://www.sbnation.com/2018/3/14/17116970/nfl-free-agents-2018-best-available-legal-tampering

2018 NFL FREE AGENCY ...The NFL’s best remaining free agents

Best Available on Friday Mar 16, 2018, 3:38pm EDT

Cornerback

Best Available: E.J. Gaines, Bashaud Breeland, Rashaan Melvin

There are still some nice cornerbacks available. Gaines is a Pro Bowl-caliber player, but he has injury concerns.

Breeland had agreed to a deal with the Panthers, but he failed the team’s physical and is a free agent again.

Melvin doesn’t have a whole lot of film as a top player, but he was very, very good in 2017.

The rest of the list includes a lot of aging players and a lot of players with durability concerns, but it remains a strong class.

Other available: Justin Bethel, Tramon Williams, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, Marcus Cooper


Safety

Best Available: Tyrann Mathieu, Morgan Burnett, Eric Reid, Kenny Vaccaro, Tyvon Branch

Mathieu should command a hefty price after he was released by the Cardinals.

Reid is the most intriguing option remaining. He’s said he wouldn’t be surprised if his protests alongside Colin Kaepernick (he was the first to join Kaepernick) lead to him getting fewer looks in free agency. But he’s a high-level safety with mild injury concerns, and whoever gets him will be getting a very good player.

Vaccaro hasn’t been quite as good as advertised, but he was covering well before an injury in 2017.

Other available: Steven Terrell, Tre Boston, Quintin Demps, Reggie Nelson, Ron Parker, Mike Mitchell

[hoosier]

Brashaud Breeland is back on the market after Carolina cancelled their offer due to a failed physical. Weird thing is, the failed physical was due to a run-in with a golf cart in Puerto Rico (it must have happened in the dark) that "reopened a wound first suffered in fourth grade." Breeland will need a skin graft. Injury pics coming soon. Talk about a slow healer :-)

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22796393/cornerback-bashaud-breeland-contract-nullified-carolina-panthers-failed-physical

I saw somewhere that Melvin was looking for around $10M/year on the market. He's not going to get that but he might be holding out for more than what GB can afford to spend. Maybe Gute can get a discount on Breeland if he offers to guarantee it. After all, what could go wrong signing a FA with a preexisting injury???

[Smidgeon]

Melvin to Raiders

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/03/16/raiders-add-rashaan-melvin-to-secondary/

[Bretsky]

Kinda thought he'd get a better deal with some years

[Joemailman]

Kinda thought he'd get a better deal with some years

Finished the year on IR with a hand injury. That probably hurt him.

[Bretsky]

EJ GAINES HAS TO BE THE TARGET

[beveaux1]

No worries. House and Tramon Williams are still out there.

[call_me_ishmael]

Honey Badger signs for 7 million? That is an amazing signing right there. Dude can ball.

[HarveyWallbangers]

EJ GAINES HAS TO BE THE TARGET

It won't be E.J. Gaines. He's 5'9 1/2" and doesn't meet the size threshold the Packers want in their CBs.

[BZnDallas]

Like Hoosier mentioned before Breeland is back on the market, and Orlando Scandrick wants out of Dallas as well. Possibly a mid round pick (4 or 5) for Scandrick? Couple options left, but its getting tight. At least Gute looks like he's willing to utilize more avenues than TT.

[pbmax]

No worries. House and Tramon Williams are still out there.

I think you're right. But I can't believe its back to Tramon. He's done. And what is he gonna do for special teams?

[pbmax]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/03/16/kyle-fuller-gets-4-million-more-per-year-than-bears-had-offered/


Before Bears cornerback Kyle Fuller signed an offer sheet with the Packers, the best offer the Bears had made to him averaged $10 million per year, per a source with knowledge of the negotiations. Fuller emerges instead with a four-year deal worth $14 million per year.

The deal includes an $18 million signing bonus, payable within 10 days. Contrast that with the $13 million transition tender, which would have been paid out in 17 installments from September through December.

The deal also includes a $1 million base salary in 2018, $500,000 in per-game roster bonuses, and a $500,000 workout bonus. That’s cash flow of $20 million in the first year.

The cash flow through two years is $29 million, and it’s $42 million through three. The full value of the deal is $56 million over four.

Fuller got a nice but still palatable deal from the Packers. Not sure Russ Ball is the guy to design an undigestible FA offer.

Year 1 is $1mil(sal)+$1(other bonuses)+$4.5(allocated signing bonus) = $6.5 mil cap hit (that has to be because Packers don't have much left this year)

Year 2 looks like some combo salary+2 bonus+signingbonus = $13.5 mil cap

Year 3 = $17.5 mil cap

Year 4 = $18.5 mil cap

This is just the typical Packer deal sprinkled with more than the usual money you may not get on back end. Its $18.5 million in cash before the season begins that was the only question for the Bears. Fuller gets just shy of $15 mil per the first two years, better than the transition tag numbers if it repeated.

Packers took a risk of tying up the money to do a deal the Bears easily matched. Kinda dumb. Bears could have dragged it along.

[beveaux1]

I think you're right. But I can't believe its back to Tramon. He's done. And what is he gonna do for special teams?

I was kind of being facetious. I'm pretty stunned that we've done nothing on the CB front after our problems of the last two years. If there was ever an area that needed a free agent to be overpaid it was CB, and we overpay for an aging TE.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I was kind of being facetious. I'm pretty stunned that we've done nothing on the CB front after our problems of the last two years. If there was ever an area that needed a free agent to be overpaid it was CB, and we overpay for an aging TE.

Doing nothing is hibernating in a closet this time of the year awaiting the draft.

Gutekunst was interested in signing General Sherman, as well as a few other free agent corners. He signed Fuller to an offer sheet. The German Shepherd is not gonna win every hand he plays. But this much is certain: He's not hibernating. Expect Gutey to acquire, via free agency or trade, a seasoned corner prior to opening day.

Btw, Graham is 31. That's old for a RB, perhaps even a WR, but not a TE. Tony G was still pimping at 37. Witten is still pimping.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie

Didn't realize DRC is available. Apparently, he wants to wait til April to sign with a team. DRC in the Green and Gold?

[mraynrand]

Doing nothing is hibernating in a closet this time of the year awaiting the draft.

Gutekunst was interested in signing General Sherman, as well as a few other free agent corners. He signed Fuller to an offer sheet. The German Shepherd is not gonna win every hand he plays. But this much is certain: He's not hibernating. Expect Gutey to acquire, via free agency or trade, a seasoned corner prior to opening day.

Btw, Graham is 31. That's old for a RB, perhaps even a WR, but not a TE. Tony G was still pimping at 37. Witten is still pimping.

The reality is that Gutekunst Maximus has lost a starting DB and starting WR and has added back a starting TE, a rotation DT/E, and a marginal backup QB.

[mraynrand]

Didn't realize DRC is available. Apparently, he wants to wait til April to sign with a team. DRC in the Green and Gold?

They'd be better of signing you

[Anti-Polar Bear]

The reality is that Gutekunst Maximus has lost a starting DB and starting WR and has added back a starting TE, a rotation DT/E, and a marginal backup QB.

Wilk is a starter. Can't wait to see Pettine throw out the "Maniac" package, a package in which Wilk lines up at DE across from the RT, Clark and Daniels line up inside, Perry lines up with his hand down at the other DE spot and the Claymakers lines up all over the place alongside 6 DBs.

This is not a baseless assertion, but instead, the words written on the subway walls by the prophets: Jimmy G and A-Rod are gonna light up the league in 2018.

Jordy had a nice career in the Green and Gold and he was the consummate pro, but while not yet over -the-hill, he's past his prime. Can't run anymore, and usually when a receiver can't run anymore, he falls into the abyss of oblivion. Yes, the Packers now have a large wormhole at the receiver position, but re-sign Janis and draft Ridley and the wormhole would dissolve into the abyss of oblivion.

Kizer? Marginal? I'll have what you're smoking. Dude's a Hundley-clone, and Hundley is an abomination. The Packers would be better off with the Champion of the Downtrodden, Kap.

In short, chill. Gutekunst is the antithesis of Ted Thompson.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

They'd be better of signing you

Perhaps. But doubt any of the pig owners in the NFL will ever sign me. I knelt during the anthem for the downtrodden at my flag football championship game last October.

Seriously, DRC would make a nice stopgap corner til Gutey acquires the next great shutdown corner. He's experienced and can still run. Can probably still cover, too.

[mraynrand]

Wilk is a starter. Can't wait to see Pettine throw out the "Maniac" package, a package in which Wilk lines up at DE across from the RT, Clark and Daniels line up inside, Perry lines up with his hand down at the other DE spot and the Claymakers lines up all over the place alongside 6 DBs.

This is not a baseless assertion, but instead, the words written on the subway walls by the prophets: Jimmy G and A-Rod are gonna light up the league in 2018.

Jordy had a nice career in the Green and Gold and he was the consummate pro, but while not yet over -the-hill, he's past his prime. Can't run anymore, and usually when a receiver can't run anymore, he falls into the abyss of oblivion. Yes, the Packers now have a large wormhole at the receiver position, but re-sign Janis and draft Ridley and the wormhole would dissolve into the abyss of oblivion.

Kizer? Marginal? I'll have what you're smoking. Dude's a Hundley-clone, and Hundley is an abomination. The Packers would be better off with the Champion of the Downtrodden, Kap.

In short, chill. Gutekunst is the antithesis of Ted Thompson.

This could all be true, but it's all on paper right now. Last year Jordy and Butte were on the same page before the injury to the tune of two TDs/game. Chucky seems to think Jordy is more than Vicious at this point. And sometimes bringing the band back together (Poutine and Bruce Wilkerson) doesn't work out so well - sometimes you end up in Joliet.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/HjqlWbl69G8/hqdefault.jpg

[texaspackerbacker]

Interesting. The guy who was all in for Ted is shitting on Gutekunst while arguably the jury is still out on him, and the biggest hater of Ted (except maybe for me) is loving everything about Gutekunst when he hasn't really done much yet in net effect. If we had gotten Fuller, it would have tipped the scales in his favor, but it looks like we didn't.

[mraynrand]

Interesting. The guy who was all in for Ted is shitting on Gutekunst


who's all in for Ted? Who is shitting on Gutekunst Maximus? Who is this mystery poster?

[pbmax]

Interesting. The guy who was all in for Ted is shitting on Gutekunst while arguably the jury is still out on him, and the biggest hater of Ted (except maybe for me) is loving everything about Gutekunst when he hasn't really done much yet in net effect. If we had gotten Fuller, it would have tipped the scales in his favor, but it looks like we didn't.

Fuller would have been a clear upgrade over Randall straight up, plus the two deals probably(?) improve the backup QB at the cost of some money. And I think that money is well spent if Fuller can be a full time outside corner. Randall was best at the slot but there are more of those guys around.

Wilkerson will be a nice addition if he goes Back to the Future, gets a reliable clock radio and can stay out of the supper club bar for a VERY reasonable one year, no extended risk contact. But if he doesn't snap back to form, they are hiring a part time malcontent who adds little the best position group of the D all because he knows Mike Pettine. Not much risk, but possibly no reward.

No one I am aware of has a problem with those bets.

What is undecided is trading Graham for Nelson actually does anything for the offense.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Interesting. The guy who was all in for Ted is shitting on Gutekunst while arguably the jury is still out on him, and the biggest hater of Ted (except maybe for me) is loving everything about Gutekunst when he hasn't really done much yet in net effect. If we had gotten Fuller, it would have tipped the scales in his favor, but it looks like we didn't.

To quote Tex, "Hahahaha." :)

Something like 12 years ago today most of us here were chatting at this infamous cyberspace called JSO. Thompson was hibernating. I called for Thompson's head to be erected on a spike. Alotta posters were like, give Ted time and give Ted space and give Ted a chance. Don't say I didn't warn y'all about the dangers of Polar Bearism.

In less than 4 months at the helm, Gutekunst has already pulled off a trade and signed a couple of marquee free agents. That's an indication that Gutekunst is utilizing Belichickism. Fuller in the Green and Gold would be nice, but it was a long shot anyway. Can't win all your hands, but it's better to try and fail than hibernate and hibernate some more.

[woodbuck27]

EJ GAINES HAS TO BE THE TARGET

https://overthecap.com/player/ej-gaines/3127/

The Cardinals will host free agent CB E.J. Gaines on Saturday.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/9619/ej-gaines

[beveaux1]

Going into this free agency period, we had roughly 19 mil in cap room. Our brass knew we were going to cut Nelson leaving us with around 29 mil in cap room. They had to know that they had an offer for Wilkerson of 5 mil and that we were the top team on his board because he visited here first. If he accepts, we have 24 mil in cap space that could be reduced to 21 if incentives are met.

We have one good CB on the roster with a defense that has been one of the worst against the pass since Shields left. We have one average at best TE on the roster but that has not really stopped our offense historically. This free agent class had almost no edge rushers of any consequence, but was loaded with good to excellent DBs including a safety from our team. It also goes without saying that there were few TEs, but again, that is normal among free agent classes.

With so little cap space, we could get one major free agent and two low cost free agents. The glaring need on this team is a number one CB. That is NOT a want, it’s a need. The number 2 need on this team is someone to get to the passer. Maybe we filled that with Wilkerson but he’s three years removed from an impact season. A want for this team is a TE as is a WR with speed. We spent the major free agent portion of our cap on a TE. That, to me, is a major disappointment.

We now have 11 to 14 million in cap space with our two major needs unfulfilled and a QB that needs to be paid. We also still have a good safety that will have to be replaced or re-signed. The main moves that we can make are to cut Cobb or cut Matthews. I don’t see anyone left in free agency that we could reasonably replace them with, which makes both of those moves look especially foolish.

What we have left is the draft and a smattering of average to below average free agents. This hasn’t been a successful offseason. This has been an active offseason, but it seems like wasted motion. Putting an offer in for Fuller when Chicago had already announced they would match any offer on him and making the offer extremely reasonable kind of looks desperate on our part.

We came home from free agency with one big toy and another possibly useful game piece. Let’s hope they weren’t garage sale throwaways.

[mraynrand]

^^^ You make a lot of sense.

[pbmax]

They didn't quite have $19 mil. Had about $16 if you take out the rookie money.

Unless MW's incentives are judged unlikely to be earned, that full $8 mil needs to count against the cap now.

With any big FA signing (Graham or Butler or Johnson), they needed to do something with vets (extend Jordy or Clay).

With Fuller (or any mid-sized DB signing) they needed to do something larger with their vets (that is why he was released).

I like Wilkerson for that money. He can help in pass rush but its a bet that MW was simply miscast in subsequent Jet's defenses with Todd Bowles.

I agree completely that Graham is both a risk (with some upside) and a bit lateral with Nelson leaving.

And I agree they are now hamstrung by both money and the remaining players to find another CB. Which is why Kizer for Randall seems dumber today that a week ago.

[mraynrand]

Which is why Kizer for Randall seems dumber today that a week ago.

The only way it could be less dumb is if they had a chance to get back a defensive back. Say by trading for a draft pick or something. they needed to drop Randall and try and get something for him. Maybe they got a backup QB, so now they don't have to go out and get that piece too. Your mock defensive back draft may not be too far from reality. I could see them pick 4 (or more) defensive backs and hope to get two or three starters, much like the 1981 49ers. Is Ray Rhodes available as position coach?

[Anti-Polar Bear]

^^^ You make a lot of sense.

How so? Pretty sure Beveaux said that the Packers need to replace or re-sign a good safety. Who?

Burnett was never a good safety. Average at best. Injury-prone. Let him go.

[mraynrand]

How so? Pretty sure Beveaux said that the Packers need to replace or re-sign a good safety. Who?

Burnett was never a good safety. Average at best. Injury-prone. Let him go.

Mostly that the Packers so far haven't really improved much in the off season, even on paper. You have to imagine most of the pieces falling into place perfectly. They have significant losses that haven't really been addressed. And they've eaten up cap space so wiggle room is reduced. As always, I hope their moves all pan out, but right now it requires more than just a little wishful thinking, especially for Bruce Wilkerson being effective on the D-line and Kizer as backup QB.

[The Shadow]

Fuller would have been a clear upgrade over Randall straight up, plus the two deals probably(?) improve the backup QB at the cost of some money. And I think that money is well spent if Fuller can be a full time outside corner. Randall was best at the slot but there are more of those guys around.

Wilkerson will be a nice addition if he goes Back to the Future, gets a reliable clock radio and can stay out of the supper club bar for a VERY reasonable one year, no extended risk contact. But if he doesn't snap back to form, they are hiring a part time malcontent who adds little the best position group of the D all because he knows Mike Pettine. Not much risk, but possibly no reward.

No one I am aware of has a problem with those bets.

What is undecided is trading Graham for Nelson actually does anything for the offense.

I would rather have Nelson.

[beveaux1]

They didn't quite have $19 mil. Had about $16 if you take out the rookie money.

Unless MW's incentives are judged unlikely to be earned, that full $8 mil needs to count against the cap now.

With any big FA signing (Graham or Butler or Johnson), they needed to do something with vets (extend Jordy or Clay).

With Fuller (or any mid-sized DB signing) they needed to do something larger with their vets (that is why he was released).

I like Wilkerson for that money. He can help in pass rush but its a bet that MW was simply miscast in subsequent Jet's defenses with Todd Bowles.

I agree completely that Graham is both a risk (with some upside) and a bit lateral with Nelson leaving.

And I agree they are now hamstrung by both money and the remaining players to find another CB. Which is why Kizer for Randall seems dumber today that a week ago.

Not a particularly good offseason so far. New GM appears to have made some tactical mistakes and probably hopes to make up for it in the draft. The problem is that we knew we couldn't get edge rushers in free agency and had to hope to pick up one in the draft.

Unfortunately, we didn't pick up a stud CB in free agency and lost at least an average CB with potential in a trade for a backup. That means, even if we get House and Williams (or another stop-gap), our CBs are prohibitively worse than last year.

That makes CB a priority in the draft. With about a 50% chance of getting a good player in the first round and a 35% chance of getting a good player in the 2nd round, we have to hope that Biegel, Fackrell, Waters, or Hawkins develop into that stud next year.

This should have been the year they targeted a number 1 CB in free agency, no matter the cost. We didn't and got sidetracked with a TE. Oh well, it's our GM's rookie year.

[pbmax]

[/B]

I would rather have Nelson.

I would too. Tight Ends have never dominated this offense with McCarthy. Holmgren and Sherman made TEs a pretty vital cog. Holmgren did have better talent at the position.

On the plus side, it remains to be seen if a WR steps up at #3 to make the team miss Nelson less than you may expect. He was no longer a regular deep threat and worked a lot of short routes. You can do those with a lot of people, including Montgomery. Plus Davis and Janis could be deep threats, even if its unlikely at this point.

Thinking about the depth chart at WR now, I bet its Geronimo as the 3rd WR. Possession guy who Rodgers trusts. I could see it working.

[beveaux1]

I would too. Tight Ends have never dominated this offense with McCarthy. Holmgren and Sherman made TEs a pretty vital cog. Holmgren did have better talent at the position.

On the plus side, it remains to be seen if a WR steps up at #3 to make the team miss Nelson less than you may expect. He was no longer a regular deep threat and worked a lot of short routes. You can do those with a lot of people, including Montgomery. Plus Davis and Janis could be deep threats, even if its unlikely at this point.

Thinking about the depth chart at WR now, I bet its Geronimo as the 3rd WR. Possession guy who Rodgers trusts. I could see it working.

Remember, we're not replacing 2017 Nelson since Rodgers only played 6 games. We're replacing 2016 Nelson with 97 catches and 1257 yards. Adams had right at 1000 yards that year. A lot of production to make up with Graham and Allison.

[pbmax]

Remember, we're not replacing 2017 Nelson since Rodgers only played 6 games. We're replacing 2016 Nelson with 97 catches and 1257 yards. Adams had right at 1000 yards that year. A lot of production to make up with Graham and Allison.

Yeah, but I am not sure 2016 Nelson was coming back regardless. Better with Rodgers than Hundley? Yes. But not the guy he once was.

[Zool]

It’s hard for a TE to get a lot of love in the touchdown check down offense. Maybe Graham will be the exception? Hard to say, but that DB situation is pretty brutal right now. Pipkins is like 4th on the depth chart.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Mostly that the Packers so far haven't really improved much in the off season, even on paper. You have to imagine most of the pieces falling into place perfectly. They have significant losses that haven't really been addressed. And they've eaten up cap space so wiggle room is reduced. As always, I hope their moves all pan out, but right now it requires more than just a little wishful thinking, especially for Bruce Wilkerson being effective on the D-line and Kizer as backup QB.

As a wise man once said, the cap can always be cooked - and there ain't such thing as a cap hell in this day and age of growing revenues and titanic TV contracts. To understand the fluctuation of the cap, imagine, Zeus-forbid, Thompson was still in charge and hibernating (doing nothing). Packers would have around $20 M this season before signing their picks but likely somewhere around $75 M next season.

Jimmy G and Wilk are upgrades at their respective position. Sure, Gute stills need to fix the corner wormhole, but he's working on it - not hibernating. Give him time. Give him a space. Give him a chance. :)

[beveaux1]

Yeah, but I am not sure 2016 Nelson was coming back regardless. Better with Rodgers than Hundley? Yes. But not the guy he once was.

Just the production I'm concerned with. Graham has to produce.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Just the production I'm concerned with. Graham has to produce.

Graham's presence alone will make the offense as a whole better and more productive.

Remember J-Mike's heydays? J-Mike had to share the rock with some pretty good player, so he never produced extraordinary numbers, but the fact that he was a mismatch nightmare made the jobs of his o-teamates easier.

[pbmax]

Graham's presence alone will make the offense as a whole better and more productive.

Remember J-Mike's heydays? J-Mike had to share the rock with some pretty good player, so he never produced extraordinary numbers, but the fact that he was a mismatch nightmare made the jobs of his o-teamates easier.

For the 10 total games he was fully engaged yes. Between being immature as a young player and then getting an extreme case of dropsies during his contract year, he was not what you would call reliable for long stretches. Add in injury and it was a star crossed career. Should have been more productive.

[gbgary]

plug cb hole with t-will, save draft picks to move up in 1st round, if needed, to get ward or johnson.

[wist43]

Mostly that the Packers so far haven't really improved much in the off season, even on paper. You have to imagine most of the pieces falling into place perfectly. They have significant losses that haven't really been addressed. And they've eaten up cap space so wiggle room is reduced. As always, I hope their moves all pan out, but right now it requires more than just a little wishful thinking, especially for Bruce Wilkerson being effective on the D-line and Kizer as backup QB.

We got appreciably better the second they dumped dunderdummy...

Pettine is going to be running a new scheme, and hopefully utilizing the players as best fits their skill set - dunderdummy never did that.

Another positive is getting rid of Randall. He was a cancer in the locker room, and a liability on the field. Yes, we're thin at DB now, but even with UDFA's filling out the roster - I expect we'll be better.

[pbmax]

I think we are seriously overrating the Randall clubhouse factor.

And Pettine's new approach will confuse opponents for exactly one year. Then they'll have an entire year of film and an offseason to study it.

[beveaux1]

I think we are seriously overrating the Randall clubhouse factor.

And Pettine's new approach will confuse opponents for exactly one year. Then they'll have an entire year of film and an offseason to study it.

Hopefully the first year produces confusion to opponents, but it’s players not plays that produce consistent results. Let’s face it with King, Hawkins, Pipkins, Goodson, Rollins, and Waters as our CBs. I’m not confident that we have anything but the worst group in the NFL. Add House and Williams and it still seems like it’s in the bottom 3. You can put lipstick on a pig, but it’s still a pig.

[Guiness]

I see a few mentions of Tramon Williams here - is that serious? He was never fast, and had lost a couple of steps by the time he left GB...and that was 3 years ago! I didn't know he was even still in the league after getting cut by Cleveland.

[wist43]

Hopefully the first year produces confusion to opponents, but it’s players not plays that produce consistent results. Let’s face it with King, Hawkins, Pipkins, Goodson, Rollins, and Waters as our CBs. I’m not confident that we have anything but the worst group in the NFL. Add House and Williams and it still seems like it’s in the bottom 3. You can put lipstick on a pig, but it’s still a pig.

Well, worst in the league is where we finished with dunderdummy and Randall... how can we be any worse??

[wist43]

I think we are seriously overrating the Randall clubhouse factor.

And Pettine's new approach will confuse opponents for exactly one year. Then they'll have an entire year of film and an offseason to study it.

I give ya credit max, you consistently defend being worst in the league, as if that's the best that could done. Dom is ur man, that's fur sure!!

[beveaux1]

Well, worst in the league is where we finished with dunderdummy and Randall... how can we be any worse??

I thought the point was to get better. I can see no appreciable sign of getting better. Free agency is about patching holes that can’t otherwise be fixed in the draft. If that’s the case, this is so far, a fail.

[Bossman641]

I thought the point was to get better. I can see no appreciable sign of getting better. Free agency is about patching holes that can’t otherwise be fixed in the draft. If that’s the case, this is so far, a fail.

Agreed. We've made moves but they haven't made us any better. This offense never utilizes TEs anyways. Our db and wr are significantly worse then last year.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Agreed. We've made moves but they haven't made us any better. This offense never utilizes TEs anyways. Our db and wr are significantly worse then last year.

U must have been in hibernation during the Run the Table era, cos that was the last time the Packers had a bona fide TE, post J-Mike.

Cook was a big part of the offense.

[mraynrand]

I give ya credit max, you consistently defend being worst in the league, as if that's the best that could done. Dom is ur man, that's fur sure!!

false and moronic take.

[Rutnstrut]

Agreed. We've made moves but they haven't made us any better. This offense never utilizes TEs anyways. Our db and wr are significantly worse then last year.


In all fairness to JG he isn't a typical TE. He's more of a WR, if stubby tries to play him like a typical TE they will not see dividends from this signing.

[Rutnstrut]

false and moronic take.


Name worse.

[mraynrand]

Name worse.

^^^ This take. :) ;)

[SavedByGrace]

Remember, we're not replacing 2017 Nelson since Rodgers only played 6 games. We're replacing 2016 Nelson with 97 catches and 1257 yards. Adams had right at 1000 yards that year. A lot of production to make up with Graham and Allison.


Yeah, but I am not sure 2016 Nelson was coming back regardless. Better with Rodgers than Hundley? Yes. But not the guy he once was.

I agree that we are replacing 2016 Nelson. Regardless of whether or not Jordy was guaranteed to come back in '16 or not, we had control (at least a little bit) on whether or not he came back this year. Sometimes a good defense is a good offense, and he certainly would have helped our offense. I think the Pack made a mistake not bringing Jordy back. In the games before Hundley was at the helm, Nelson had 25 catches for 290 yards and 6 TDs. That would have come out to something (if that pace would have continued) around 80 catches for 1000 yards and 15 TDs (no way he could have continued that TD pace). Were his numbers down? Yes (keep in mind he also recorded a DNP against Atlanta - game #2 of the '17 season), but not by much. Maybe this isn't the correct thread for this rant, but seeing as we are in the situation we are in (no significant CB signing and a little more cap room) we may as well have signed him back if we weren't going to make a significant CB splash in FA. Unless they're going to trade up and get one of those difference-makers at CB, we are going to struggle again in the secondary.

Rant over.

[pbmax]

I give ya credit max, you consistently defend being worst in the league, as if that's the best that could done. Dom is ur man, that's fur sure!!

I have watched enough bad football to realize there is never one problem when you are bottom third in the League for two years in Pass D. I think you know that, but like to pretend its not an issue.

There will be an advantage in seeing the Packers run someone else's scheme. It will show positively in Year 1.

But consistent improvement will either come from new players or players put in better positions.

New players:
1. Wilkerson
2. Draftees

Players with different role
1. Dix (he's not going to be that deep again)
2. Jones (he is the reason Burnett is not back at his asking price, if no Jones, they would have signed Burnett)
3. **

Players we wish were still here to get a new role
1. Hayward
2. Hyde

That's not a lot of change. It will all be scheme and integrating draftees into the system. And remember, M3 is still around with his thoughts about players and their positions. He never solved the issue of the disconnect between personnel and Capers system. He has more juice now and a direct weekly line to that department. We'll see how the two fit together once the season starts. I have doubts he is a net plus when he gets involved at a scheme or player level on D.

** There will be numerous articles about moving Matthews around in this new D, but they have been doing it for years. Some of it will be successful as it will be new to opponents. But the single greatest Matthews innovation, at ILB on early downs, is less of an issue now that Perry starts and the D line has been bolstered by Clark. He made the run D better by moving when he did. But it didn't help the team pressure the QB.

The best chance for this D to improve (as of today) is Wilkerson to be Peppers in his first two years. I bet Dom would have welcomed him too.

[pbmax]

And I didn't even mention health of the DBs.

Guess which part of the D was healthiest? If you guessed the best part, the D line, you win a prize.

[wist43]

I expect to see a lot more 4-2 with Matthews and Martinez at LB, Jones roving, and Perry with his hand in the dirt.

I also expect Pettine will put an emphasis on secure tackling in the secondary; hence, another reason Randall is gone. Dunderdummy didn't care whether DB's could tackle or not.

[pbmax]

I expect to see a lot more 4-2 with Matthews and Martinez at LB, Jones roving, and Perry with his hand in the dirt.

I also expect Pettine will put an emphasis on secure tackling in the secondary; hence, another reason Randall is gone. Dunderdummy didn't care whether DB's could tackle or not.

Literally the only difference between the 4-2 you love and the 2-4 you despise is Perry's hand in the dirt.

This year, rather than Peppers at end, it will be Wilkseron.

[pbmax]

I probably should have included, or at least mentioned, Reggie Gilbert as a player who might get a new role. Just about everyone liked what he did at the end of last season though it wasn't quite spectacular enough to get attention grabbing numbers.

It will be interesting to see what the front four are for pass rush. If you put Matthews out there, then is it Perry or Wilkerson on the other end?

If its Perry, and they are paying him like it should be, Wilkerson could slide inside. But then he is a rotation pass rushers and either Daniels or Clark sits. Probably not the worst idea since they need a breather and Lowry is not a true pass rusher. But for this D to be different in pass rush, I think Wilkerson has to be involved.

[gbgary]

difference makers in free agency are gone. plans a thru d have gone bust. he's either going to make a trade for one or rely on the draft now.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

difference makers in free agency are gone. plans a thru d have gone bust. he's either going to make a trade for one or rely on the draft now.

Huh? Part of the plan was to upgrade the TE position. Gute did just that with Graham. Upgraded the pass rush somewhat, too.

Sure, the German Shepherd failed to acquire a day-one free agent corner, but it's not like a Neon Deon was out there. Aside from the injured Sherman, none of the previously available free agent corners were/are true shutdown corners. Yes, perhaps, Gute should've traded for Peters. It'll be interesting to see what he does with the wormhole at corner going forward. One thing is certain, though: He's not gonna be hibernating.

For those of you who think the Packers don't know how to utilize TEs, especially good TEs, check out the "Run the Table" era, if not the J-Mike era. Graham is a better player than Cook, not that Cook was a fruitless as Dick Rodgers.

I'm liking what I'm seeing in Gute thus far. Belichickism. Only drawback is, he traded Randall for a Hundley-clone.

In Gute I trust! :tup:

[pbmax]

Run the table featured three wideouts to fear AND Cook.

Who is the third wideout?

[gbgary]

Huh? Part of the plan was to upgrade the TE position.

the thread is about DB's...so i commented on DB's.

[wist43]

Literally the only difference between the 4-2 you love and the 2-4 you despise is Perry's hand in the dirt.

This year, rather than Peppers at end, it will be Wilkseron.

My preference in the past has been a 3-3, but that was based on our personnel.

That said, I don't think anyone ran anything as predictable and static as Capers 2-4...

Max, why do you soooooooo love bad defense?? No matter how pathetic the results, you always defend dunderdummy!!! Seriously, he's been shown the door, and you still unsheath your sword at the first hint that anyone is critical of your beloved dunderdummy.

Given your love of lousy defense, you must be severely depressed these days with the prospect of improvement?? ;)

[pbmax]

Given your love of lousy defense, you must be severely depressed these days with the prospect of improvement?? ;)

I don't want improvement to come only from switching scheme every 2-3 years. Which is where I fear this is headed.

I want the entire enterprise to figure out the disconnect between coach/scheme/personnel. They got the injury thing addressed (thought its been happening to one position too often). They are smart enough to figure out what went wrong with the last 4 of 6 years.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Run the table featured three wideouts to fear AND Cook.

Who is the third wideout?

Didin't Cobb, Nelson and Adams each miss time or played injured at one point or another during Run the Table? Offensive was still effective with Cook and A-Rod clicking.

Packers still have Cobb and Adams. Jordy can't run anymore, so no big loss. Re-sign Janis and draft Ridley. If Ridley doesn't fall to the Packers, there currently are plenty of stopgap receivers out there on the streets of Baltimore. Maclin, Pryor, Decker, Mike Wallace, to name a few.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

the thread is about DB's...so i commented on DB's.

OIC. But I'm not worried. Unlike Todd, who often would hibernate and simply crossed his fingers for his wally rookies to blossom into contributors in their rookie season, odds are, Gute will do something about the corner wormhole before week 1.

[pbmax]

Didin't Cobb, Nelson and Adams each miss time or played injured at one point or another during Run the Table? Offensive was still effective with Cook and A-Rod clicking.

Packers still have Cobb and Adams. Jordy can't run anymore, so no big loss. Re-sign Janis and draft Ridley. If Ridley doesn't fall to the Packers, there currently are plenty of stopgap receivers out there on the streets of Baltimore. Maclin, Pryor, Decker, Mike Wallace, to name a few.

So rookies at DB: problem.

Rookie wideouts: no problem

Stopgap TE: problem

Stopgap WR: no problem

[pbmax]

In M3's offense, these players need to be able to beat coverage one on one. Stopgap at WR or TE doesn't work.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2764508-the-most-underrated-free-agent-signing-of-2018-jimmy-graham-to-green-bay


Given head coach Mike McCarthy's preference for receivers who beat their defenders with physical abilities as opposed to schematic help, the lack of a big body who can win one-on-one battles in the red zone has been a noticeable deficit in Green Bay's offense over the last half-decade. It makes Rodgers' year-to-year performances all the more remarkable in that he's doing what he does with receivers who have been limited by their playbook and by their own physical limitations and injuries.

Graham presents new challenges for defenses trying to deal with Rodgers' clinical expertise. Most red-zone passing plays have pressed Rodgers to make things happen outside of structure, because Green Bay's offense is short on route combinations that generally work so well near the goal line, especially against man coverage. If you're not going to call rub routes or slant/fade crossers even though they've been proved to be highly effective, you're going to have to rely on receivers who can create touchdowns by way of their physical gifts.

[red]

So rookies at DB: problem.

Rookie wideouts: no problem

Stopgap TE: problem

Stopgap WR: no problem

i think history has proven over and over again the rookie WR's need at least 2 to 3 years before the get it

[Joemailman]

i think history has proven over and over again the rookie WR's need at least 2 to 3 years before the get it

Not always. James Jones and Greg Jennings were quite good as rookies.

[red]

Not always. James Jones and Greg Jennings were quite good as rookies.

jennings has 45 catches for 630 yards and 3 tds his rookie year

jones has 47 for 676 and 2 TDs

those aren't big years. we need a #2 WR that can get close to 1000 and 10tds

[Joemailman]

jennings has 45 catches for 630 yards and 3 tds his rookie year

jones has 47 for 676 and 2 TDs

those aren't big years. we need a #2 WR that can get close to 1000 and 10tds

No. With Adams and Graham, we don't necessarily need another 1000 yard guy. (Not that that wouldn't be a good thing.) Add in the backs and I think Rodgers can get to 4000 yards by spreading the ball around. The last time the Packers won the Super Bowl, only Jennings had more than 700 yards.

[pbmax]

No. With Adams and Graham, we don't necessarily need another 1000 yard guy. (Not that that wouldn't be a good thing.) Add in the backs and I think Rodgers can get to 4000 yards by spreading the ball around. The last time the Packers won the Super Bowl, only Jennings had more than 700 yards.

If the Packers get someone as talented as Jennings, then they might work as #2. It may work with someone like Jones.

But what are the odds that player is on Adams rookie level next year?

[red]

No. With Adams and Graham, we don't necessarily need another 1000 yard guy. (Not that that wouldn't be a good thing.) Add in the backs and I think Rodgers can get to 4000 yards by spreading the ball around. The last time the Packers won the Super Bowl, only Jennings had more than 700 yards.

Graham isn't going to get you 1000 yards

coming off of 2 concussions last season, adams is one big hit away from being lost for the season

[mraynrand]

, adams is one big hit away from being lost for the season

As we saw last season, so is everyone else.

Actually, Adams didn't miss a game due to the first nasty hit, and may have been able to come back from the second. It's possible he'll be shielded from a lot of hits due to having #12 back and fewer short routes across the middle. Let Cobb get concussed for a while.

I think we all kind of think some guys are concussion prone, but I don't think the science on this is definitive. Hell, Shields may play out his career without another concussion for all we know.*









*but I doubt it

[call_me_ishmael]

So who’s a better player? Prime Adams or prime Jennings? I think it’s Jennings and not even close but would love to hear what others think and why.

[pbmax]

So who’s a better player? Prime Adams or prime Jennings? I think it’s Jennings and not even close but would love to hear what others think and why.

Jennings but its getting tighter.

[Rutnstrut]

Run the table featured three wideouts to fear AND Cook.

Who is the third wideout?


Janis!!!!

[wist43]

Why not sign Breeland?? He'll be out a few months, but last time I checked, the season is a few months away :roll:

[woodbuck27]

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/nfl-free-agency-2018-top-free-agents-player-rankings-by-position-franchise-tags/13miy0x4fy0x51g9luduz20sgp

This is what the above LINK told me what was left on WEd. Mar. 15, 2018 | Updated on Friday Mar. 16, 2018


Cornerbacks


E.J. Gaines, Bills - Cardinals hosting free agent CB E.J. Gaines

Tramon Williams, Cardinals

Jeremy Lane, Seahawks - Free agent CB Jeremy Lane charged with DUI Mar 15 - 8:53 AM

Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, Giants - Rodgers-Cromartie quickly visited the Redskins after his release from the Giants this past week

Byron Maxwell, Seahawks - NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports the Seahawks are "in talks" to re-sign free agent CB Byron Maxwell.

Davon House, Packers

Delvin Breaux (28) - Free agent CB Delvin Breaux visited the Patriots on Friday.

Bashaud Breeland - ESPN says that Panthers Bashaud Breeland's deal was voided due to a left foot injury he suffered while on vacation earlier this month.

Comment woodbuck27:

There's not a lot of options remaining on Monday 19 March 2018 at the CB Position. The Packers' might seriously consider re-signing CB Davon House and and talk to the Agent of Tramon Williams.

Unless the Packers have decided they sealed to Issue and an improved Pass Rush after signing M. Wilkerson? They might still have that problem and a real problem at starting CB. I was hoping that one or both would have been addressed in Free Agency and leaving a focus of the other position being addressed in the Draft.

Now there's still a huge hole in the Defensive Backfield; in addition and unless some WR evolves this Off Season !? The Team is weak at the WR position. I see the Signing of TE Jimmy Graham as adding a player that will address a weakness in Red Zone Efficiency. The Packer Offense now might really hope that Ty Montgomery can successfully transition back to the WR Position.

Otherwise I look for the Packers to go heavy on speed at the WR and DB positions in this upcoming DRAFT. I also feel if a great option exists at the NO. 14 Pick the Packers should draft an EDGE Rusher.

The Team now has 4 Picks in the TOP 101 and have to hit it big. I see realistically a Super Bowl shot (maybe?) in about 3 eason's time. This Season and next to Re-Build and in 2020 they hopefully can load up to go for it. That's my analysis.


Safeties

Eric Reid, 49ers - Two NFL agents told the Houston Chronicle that the Texans "aren't interested" in any players who have knelt during the national anthem to protest police brutality.

Tyvon Branch, Cardinals

Morgan Burnett, Packers

Corey Graham, Eagles

Tre Boston - Chargers

Darius Butler, Colts - Colts DB Darius Butler claims he is a safety until told otherwise.

Reggie Nelson, Raiders

Mike Mitchell, Steelers - Cut by Steelers. FS/SS victimized for far too many plays last year. 31 in June.

Robert Golden, Steelers - Steelers cut R. Golden and Mike Mitchell on Mar 14 - 4:49 PM

T.J. Ward, Buccaneers

Kenny Vaccaro, Saints - Vaccaro underwent core muscle surgery in December after playing with the injury for most of 2017. "I feel better now than before the season started," Vaccaro said

Eddie Pleasant, Texans

Quintin Demps, Bears

Ron Parker, Chiefs

[pbmax]

OK, here is your Tramontana isn't done yet take. Clips and everything of his year in Arizona.

https://twitter.com/SconnieSports/status/975545500240932864

[woodbuck27]

OK, here is your Tramontana isn't done yet take. Clips and everything of his year in Arizona.

https://twitter.com/SconnieSports/status/975545500240932864

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/arizona-cardinals/tramon-williams-3761/

Tramon Williams Arizona CAP Hit = $1,950,000

[red]

its starting to get a little worrisome

the top cb's are all gone already, even the ones that we were suppose to be going"all in" on

we still need to find 2 starters, cause all we really have is king, rollins is a bust, and i couldn't name another one under contract

so right now we've managed to put ourselves in a position where #14 almost has to be a CB, and either the second round pick or third round pick HAS to be another CB. which sucks, because we also need a starting WR and a pass rusher

shows just how badly TT screwed things up the last few years

[woodbuck27]

its starting to get a little worrisome

the top cb's are all gone already, even the ones that we were suppose to be going"all in" on

we still need to find 2 starters, cause all we really have is king, rollins is a bust, and i couldn't name another one under contract

so right now we've managed to put ourselves in a position where #14 almost has to be a CB, and either the second round pick or third round pick HAS to be another CB. which sucks, because we also need a starting WR and a pass rusher

shows just how badly TT screwed things up the last few years

Was it TT or simply Defense and Coaching and DC Dom Capers and scheme?

If it was Dom Capers then it was Mike McCarthy to blame.

Yet here we are and yes in a MESS and with what I hope at the very BEST is a three year plan.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

i think history has proven over and over again the rookie WR's need at least 2 to 3 years before the get it

OBJ, Moss, Julio Jones, off the top of my head.

[woodbuck27]

OBJ, Moss, Julio Jones, off the top of my head.

Outstanding athletes and ALL Decade Draft Picks.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

In M3's offense, these players need to be able to beat coverage one on one. Stopgap at WR or TE doesn't work.



Stopgap Wrs might not work if a team has crap at the WR position. It works when a team has proven players at the position. The Packers have Cobb and Adams, and hopefully Ridley. Opponents would be covering the stopgap receiver with their #3 or #4 corner. Guys like Wallace, Pryor, Maclin are more than capable of beating #3 and 4 corners. Add Jimmy G to the mix and the stopgap receiver would see plenty of daylights, especially with A-Rod throwing the rock.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Outstanding athletes and ALL Decade Draft Picks.

And players who debunked the notion that rookie WRs need time to develop into bona fide contributors. :)

[Zool]

And players who debunked the notion that rookie WRs need time to develop into bona fide contributors. :)

2 out of 100+ over the timeframe. Seems like a good thing to set your hopes on.

[Fritz]

OK, here is your Tramontana isn't done yet take. Clips and everything of his year in Arizona.

https://twitter.com/SconnieSports/status/975545500240932864

I believe I would take Tramon over Davon any day of the week, especially Sundays.

Git 'er done, Gutty!

[ThunderDan]

its starting to get a little worrisome

the top cb's are all gone already, even the ones that we were suppose to be going"all in" on

we still need to find 2 starters, cause all we really have is king, rollins is a bust, and i couldn't name another one under contract

so right now we've managed to put ourselves in a position where #14 almost has to be a CB, and either the second round pick or third round pick HAS to be another CB. which sucks, because we also need a starting WR and a pass rusher

shows just how badly TT screwed things up the last few years

In the last 4 years we have picked 6 DBs. 5 of those in the first 2 rounds.

Ha-Ha - 1st
Goodson - 6th
Randall - 1st
Rollins - 2nd
King - 1st
Jones - 2nd

[pbmax]

I believe I would take Tramon over Davon any day of the week, especially Sundays.

Git 'er done, Gutty!

I think they need both.

[red]

And players who debunked the notion that rookie WRs need time to develop into bona fide contributors. :)

Sooo, three guys, out of the hundreds of wrs that have been drafted in the last decade

[mraynrand]

I think they need both.

Only if you can additively combine them into one mega person.

[woodbuck27]

I think they need both.

Ditto.

[pbmax]

Only if you can additively combine them into one mega person.

Paging Dr. Frankstein; Dr. Frankenstein, please report to the surgical bay.


http://frontrowfeatures.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/1011melbrooks03_hitn-734x450.jpg

[Zool]

It’s pronounced Frahkensteen

[Maxie the Taxi]

It’s pronounced Frahkensteen

Do you also say "Froderik?"

[Upnorth]

OBJ, Moss, Julio Jones, off the top of my head.

I think most hall of fame players have great rookie years. So hopefully we draft a hall of fame wr. I agree that would be a good thing.

[Fritz]

Paging Dr. Frankstein; Dr. Frankenstein, please report to the surgical bay.


http://frontrowfeatures.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/1011melbrooks03_hitn-734x450.jpg

Terri Garr was so hot.

[CaptainKickass]

Terri Garr was so hot.

But she's no Drew Barrymore - no?

[pbmax]

Terri Garr was so hot.

So was Madeline Kahn.

https://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BOTIzMWI2ZDAtN2RjOS00NjFlLWI0MmQtYjEzM2I0MjBjYz UyXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyNjczODAwNDg@._V1_SX1777_CR0,0,17 77,940_AL_.jpg

[Zool]

Don’t look up a current picture of Garr. Time has not been kind.

[wist43]

Don’t look up a current picture of Garr. Time has not been kind.

She's been very sick for a long time... don't remember with what, but I know she was really struggling with some health problems.

[Zool]

She's been very sick for a long time... don't remember with what, but I know she was really struggling with some health problems.

That explain a lot.

Edit: she has MS. Now I’m an asshole.

[wist43]

Here's some trivia about the movie...

Marty Feldman's line in the movie where he says, "Walk this way... " was Steven Tyler's inspiration for the lyrics to Aerosmith's song "Walk This Way".

To this day, can't hear that song without thinking of Young Frankenstein.

[mraynrand]

That explain a lot.

Edit: she has MS. Now I’m an asshole.

how sad. I did not know that.

Of course, her greatest roles were on Star Trek, M*A*S*H and Mr. Mom. And yes, you are an asshole. :)

[Fritz]

Ah, the offseason. Where we can debate, at leisure, the relative physical merits of film actresses from the 70's and 80's.

Yes, time has not been kind of Terri Garr, though through no fault of her own. And while Drew Barrymore is still all that and a bag of peanuts, I would not, as we used to say back in the 70's, have kicked Terri Garr out of bed for eating crackers.

Sign Tramontana!

Is EJ Gaines still out there? If so, is the guy any good in comparison to Davon House?

[mraynrand]

Ah, the offseason. Where we can debate, at leisure, the relative physical merits of film actresses from the 70's and 80's.

I don't see the difference from the regular season, but maybe that's just me.

[Fritz]

Regular season it's debating current models and NFL cheerleaders. Pay attention, young man.

[Joemailman]

Ah, the offseason. Where we can debate, at leisure, the relative physical merits of film actresses from the 70's and 80's.

Yes, time has not been kind of Terri Garr, though through no fault of her own. And while Drew Barrymore is still all that and a bag of peanuts, I would not, as we used to say back in the 70's, have kicked Terri Garr out of bed for eating crackers.

Sign Tramontana!

Is EJ Gaines still out there? If so, is the guy any good in comparison to Davon House?Gaines is pretty good, but injury-prone. Played in 11 games in 2017.

[Fritz]

So whoever signs him will lose as much as it Gaines.

[mraynrand]

So whoever signs him will lose as much as it Gaines.

this post physically hurt me

[hoosier]

Gaines is pretty good, but injury-prone. Played in 11 games in 2017.

Sounds like he'd fit right in.

[jklowan]

I would love to see Eric Reid, House & Gaines signed any chance we could get that in under the cap, I saw about 21 mill left with about 3 mill needed for draft picks. I also wouldn't mind Rogers and Tramon back on a 1 yr cheapie deals, thoughts

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I would love to see Eric Reid, House & Gaines signed any chance we could get that in under the cap, I saw about 21 mill left with about 3 mill needed for draft picks. I also wouldn't mind Rogers and Tramon back on a 1 yr cheapie deals, thoughts

Reid is a damn good saftey. Can play both saftey spots and has experience playing the "nitro" position. Reid in the Green and Gold would be awesome.

We all know why Reid is still hard knocking on the streets of Baltimore as of this moment in space-time.

[jklowan]

cause he took a knee, seems stupid to me pay the man we need 2ndary help 5.5-6 mill a year should get it done

[Anti-Polar Bear]

cause he took a knee, seems stupid to me pay the man we need 2ndary help 5.5-6 mill a year should get it done

Affirmative.

Plus, Packers could use someone better than Dix to play the "free," methinks. Dix is a sloth, so he often gambles on where to attack in coverage. More often than not, he covers the wrong area, leaving other areas naked and ripe for picking.

[woodbuck27]

Free Agent Safety Eric Reed - What do we have on this Free Agent:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/eric-reid/7799

2013 Round 1 (Selection 18) By the San Francisco 49ers

2017 PFF Grades - Overall 81.4 #30 S

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-49ers-move-eric-reid-to-linebacker

49ers move Eric Reid to linebacker

BY ZACH AULAKH • SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS • ERIC REID • OCT 27, 2017

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-the-nfls-top-50-unrestricted-free-agents-heading-into-2018-free-agency

The NFL's top 50 unrestricted free agents heading into 2018 free agency

BY PFF ANALYSIS TEAM • MAR 13, 2018

42. Eric Reid, S, San Francisco 49ers

Status: Still on the market

FA S (LB) Eric Reid finished last season (2017) third on the 49ers with 26 defensive stops and also recorded five QB pressures on just 23 pass-rushing snaps.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/eric-reid-12298/

(2017) $5,676,000

I hope the Green Bay Packers are looking at him (days ago) and are about to announce their bringing him (some FA'a ) in for a good look.

The Green Bay Packers are just sick and their Secondary and have to get it in GEAR now.

What's left and CB's and Safety's: Note: This is from an article last Updated on Mar. 20, 2018

Cornerbacks:

E.J. Gaines, Bills

Tramon Williams, Cardinals

Ross Cockrell, Giants

Jeremy Lane, Seahawks

Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, Giants

Byron Maxwell, Seahawks

Davon House, Packers


Safeties:

Eric Reid, 49ers

Comment woodbuck27:

Do you see anyone you like better at Safety?

Here are your FA Choices as of the last Update and this Article.

Tyvon Branch, Cardinals

Tre Boston, Chargers

Corey Graham, Eagles

Darius Butler, Colts

Reggie Nelson, Raiders

Mike Mitchell, Steelers

T.J. Ward, Buccaneers

Kenny Vaccaro, Saints

Eddie Pleasant, Texans

Quintin Demps, Bears

Ron Parker, Chiefs

[woodbuck27]

Did anyone read this:

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2018/02/25/mike-daniels-has-a-few-free-agent-targets-for-the-packers/

Mike Daniels has a few free agent targets for the Packers

" Daniels also mentioned linebacker Tahir Whitehead, a fellow New Jersey native, as a potential free agent target. He has produced back-to-back seasons with 100 or more tackles for the Detroit Lions. " From the Article

Comment woodbuck27:

All the Players that Mike Daniels liked are off the FA Market now. I do like his passion. :-)

[woodbuck27]

Then there is this:

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2018/03/20/how-will-the-packers-replace-departing-db-morgan-burnett/

In the 2017 Draft, the Packers used a second-round pick on North Carolina State safety Josh Jones, who looked like an obvious future replacement for S Morgan Burnett – a hybrid player with one year left on his contract.

After an up-and-down rookie season, Jones will be now expected to play a major role in filling in the gaps left behind by one of Mike McCarthy’s all-time favorite players.

Jones and undrafted free agent safeties Kentrell Brice, Marwin Evans and Jermaine Whitehead all started games for the Packers last season.

[Upnorth]

Tramon is back
https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/packers-free-agency-2018/2018/3/22/17130724/packers-sign-tramon-williams-to-bolster-cornerback-group-per-report

[Joemailman]

Tramon is back
https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/packers-free-agency-2018/2018/3/22/17130724/packers-sign-tramon-williams-to-bolster-cornerback-group-per-report

This is a good move. He played well last year in Arizona and knows Pettine's defense from his years in Cleveland.

[Guiness]

This is a good move. He played well last year in Arizona and knows Pettine's defense from his years in Cleveland.

except that he had a HORRIBLE season in Cleveland, and was cut by a 1-15 team after 1 year.

Williams being signed before House surprises me.

[Joemailman]

except that he had a HORRIBLE season in Cleveland, and was cut by a 1-15 team after 1 year.

Williams being signed before House surprises me.

He played 2 seasons in Cleveland. He was hurt a lot the second year. He was better than House last year. Lighten up. It's the offseason. Drink the Kool-Aid.:glug:

[gbgary]

williams plugs a hole at cb but i still think, if nothing else changes, they go that route with the first pick.

[Tony Oday]

Pro bowler in the making.

[Joemailman]

williams plugs a hole at cb but i still think, if nothing else changes, they go that route with the first pick.

If Ward is available, yes. Otherwise I'm not so sure. Gonna still be some good CB's available in rounds 2 and 3.

[run pMc]

If Ward is available, yes. Otherwise I'm not so sure. Gonna still be some good CB's available in rounds 2 and 3.

So Harold Landry in R1, Isaiah Oliver in R2? I could see something like that.

[Upnorth]

Pff has Twill graded as the 9th best Cb last year. His defensive passer rating was 58. So he is a substantial upgrade to last year's secondary.

[red]

Pff has Twill graded as the 9th best Cb last year. His defensive passer rating was 58. So he is a substantial upgrade to last year's secondary.

if he can stay at that level

guys can fall off the cliff at any time at his age

[Guiness]

if he can stay at that level

guys can fall off the cliff at any time at his age

That's just it - I thought he fell off the cliff when he left GB 3 years ago! He was never fast, and looked to have lost a step then. Everyone here seems to like the signing though!

I always liked him when he was with the Pack, and he played through a rough year with nerve damage to one or his arm if I recall. Hope I'm wrong and he fond the fountain of youth!

[pbmax]

Safety possibilities:

Mike Clay @MikeClayNFL
Lots of chatter about Eric Reid, but Tre Boston remains a free agent as well. Half year younger and was terrific on ~200 more snaps than Reid last year. Chargers need to get him back.

Doug Farrar @BR_DougFarrar
Legit deep-third defender. Not many of them in the league.

[mraynrand]

Reid said he will not kneel before Zod. #pragmaticpackerpeople

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Reid said he will not kneel before Zod. #pragmaticpackerpeople

Anyone who truly thinks Morgan Fucking Burnett is a better saftey than Eric Reid at this moment in space-time is suffering from Dynastic Really Syndrome, a term coined by Dr. John Holmes, MD, PHD, for people with extreme delusional disorders.

Burnett is on an NFL team, and Reid is not. Something is rotten in the NFL.

[woodbuck27]

Anyone who truly thinks Morgan Fucking Burnett is a better saftey than Eric Reid at this moment in space-time is suffering from Dynastic Really Syndrome, a term coined by Dr. John Holmes, MD, PHD, for people with extreme delusional disorders.

Burnett is on an NFL team, and Reid is not. Something is rotten in the NFL.

Oh Ohh, pbmax is going to read your Post and go to PFF Analytics and deem you correct or not. :idea:

It's funny though RE:S Eric Reed.

If his name came up (even two - three years ago) and any News that the Green Bay Packers might acquire him.

Wouldn't we be ecstatic?

[Freak Out]

Anyone who truly thinks Morgan Fucking Burnett is a better saftey than Eric Reid at this moment in space-time is suffering from Dynastic Really Syndrome, a term coined by Dr. John Holmes, MD, PHD, for people with extreme delusional disorders.

Burnett is on an NFL team, and Reid is not. Something is rotten in the NFL.

CNM Seka said the same thing during fika today.

[woodbuck27]

Safety possibilities:

Mike Clay @MikeClayNFL
Lots of chatter about Eric Reid, but Tre Boston remains a free agent as well. Half year younger and was terrific on ~200 more snaps than Reid last year. Chargers need to get him back.

Doug Farrar @BR_DougFarrar
Legit deep-third defender. Not many of them in the league.

pbmax:

I haven't really checked out Packers and any Rumours the last 3-4 days.

Is there anything out there that they might use (what? ... **approx. $7 Million) in remaining CAP Space (**before any more cuts) ?

[woodbuck27]

pbmax:

I haven't really checked out Packers and any Rumours the last 3-4 days.

Is there anything out there that they might use (what? ... **approx. $7 Million) in remaining CAP Space (**before any more cuts) ?

I answered my own ?:

Free Agent CB Tramon Williams

https://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2018/03/22/report-packers-bringing-back-cb-tramon-williams/450604002/

FA WR Jordan Matthews:

https://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/2018/03/22/packers-bringing-free-agent-wr-jordan-matthews-visit/451258002/

[Guiness]

CNM Seka said the same thing during fika today.

decipher please?

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Oh Ohh, pbmax is going to read your Post and go to PFF Analytics and deem you correct or not. :idea:

It's funny though RE:S Eric Reed.

If his name came up (even two - three years ago) and any News that the Green Bay Packers might acquire him.

Wouldn't we be ecstatic?

Reid is an awesome saftey. Played wherever the Ninners coaches asked him to play. Played the free. Played the strong. Even played the goddamn Nitro. And played 'em all competently. Reid would definitely be an upgrade over Dix, who is in his contract year and odds are, he won't be back after this season.

[woodbuck27]

Here's a good LINK that gets you loads of information and a comprehensive look at things Green Bay Packers and Off Season developments and possibilities:

Packers Morning Buzz: All quiet on the free-agent front

Aaron Nagler, USA TODAY NETWORK-Wisconsin Published 8:57 a.m. CT March 22, 2018 | Updated 9:54 a.m. CT March 22,

Comment woodbuck27:

This Guy works hard to get the News and Packers.

[woodbuck27]

Reid is an awesome saftey. Played wherever the Ninners coaches asked him to play. Played the free. Played the strong. Even played the goddamn Nitro. And played 'em all competently. Reid would definitely be an upgrade over Dix, who is in his contract year and odds are, he won't be back after this season.

Do you see anyone the Packers might make a solid move and cutting now to attain more CAP space?

[run pMc]

Eric Reid's brother, Justin, is available in the draft and some scouts say he's better. He'd be cheaper than his older brother. Honestly I don't think they make S a priority with HaHa, Jones, Brice, and Evans on the roster. I'm not counting Whitehead because I don't think he's very good but the Packers sure like him. If someone falls in their lap I guess they might draft a S before R5, but they have bigger needs to fill IMO. Dropping $6M+/yr or whatever on Eric Reid smells a little bit like a Dan Snyder move.

...Watch an hour from now the ticker breaks the news Reid signs with GB.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

CNM Seka said the same thing during fika today.

Don't tell Rand, but I like - mainly b/c of the extensive usage of CGI - Episode I, II and III more than the old school, technologically obsolete stuff they made in the 70's (also think the two recent films are duds; the attempt to mimic the 70's tech stuff is lame).

However, the Golden Age films of the 70's, man, they're the bombs. Actors and actresses actually could act, especially Johnny the Wadd.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Do you see anyone the Packers might make a solid move and cutting now to attain more CAP space?

Packers currently have around $20M of cap space. That's probably more than enough to sign Reid without releasing anyone important.

[woodbuck27]

Eric Reid's brother, Justin, is available in the draft and some scouts say he's better. He'd be cheaper than his older brother. Honestly I don't think they make S a priority with HaHa, Jones, Brice, and Evans on the roster. I'm not counting Whitehead because I don't think he's very good but the Packers sure like him. If someone falls in their lap I guess they might draft a S before R5, but they have bigger needs to fill IMO. Dropping $6M+/yr or whatever on Eric Reid smells a little bit like a Dan Snyder move.

...Watch an hour from now the ticker breaks the news Reid signs with GB.

After signing Tramon Williams a signing of S Eric Reid doesn't seem very likely.

We need something really decent at CB and WR still.

The CAP is just about used up; depended on the COST of the two year contract that Tramon Williams Agent acquired for his return to Green Bay.

[woodbuck27]

Packers currently have around $20M of cap space. That's probably more than enough to sign Reid without releasing anyone important.

I use this as my CAP Reference:

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/cap/

Cap Space (w/All) $13,646,197

Cap Space (w/Top 51 & Projected Draft Pool) $7,639,112

Cap Space (w/Top 51) $17,006,197

GREEN BAY PACKERS CAP TOTALS

Est. Cap Space (All):
$13,646,197

Est. Cap Space (Top 51):
$17,006,197


TRANSACTIONS ...MAR 22 2018 ...Tramon Williams
Signed a 2 year contract with Green Bay (GB) MAR 21 2018

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Eric Reid's brother, Justin, is available in the draft and some scouts say he's better. He'd be cheaper than his older brother. Honestly I don't think they make S a priority with HaHa, Jones, Brice, and Evans on the roster. I'm not counting Whitehead because I don't think he's very good but the Packers sure like him. If someone falls in their lap I guess they might draft a S before R5, but they have bigger needs to fill IMO. Dropping $6M+/yr or whatever on Eric Reid smells a little bit like a Dan Snyder move.

...Watch an hour from now the ticker breaks the news Reid signs with GB.

Perhaps the bro is better, but it's not a guarantee he's gonna fall to the Packers.

The current saftey crop is subpar, in my humble stoic opinion. Aside from catching a few Larry Brown picks, Dix has been an abomination. Jury's still out on Jones, but seems like the more he plays, the more he plays like Jane. Brice hits hard but he's injury-prone - probably average at best. Evan's a JAG.

The Packers are still seeking Collins' replacement. Reid could be that guy.

Pack don't have a fucking owner, but this is a team that would rather play the superabomination Hundley than the Champion of the Downtrodden, so sadly, it's looking like Reid's not gonna don the Green and Gold anytime soon in this universe.

[woodbuck27]

Perhaps the bro is better, but it's not a guarantee he's gonna fall to the Packers.

The current saftey crop is subpar, in my humble stoic opinion. Aside from catching a few Larry Brown picks, Dix has been an abomination. Jury's still out on Jones, but seems like the more he plays, the more he plays like Jane. Brice hits hard but he's injury-prone - probably average at best. Evan's a JAG.

The Packers are still seeking Collins' replacement. Reid could be that guy.

Pack don't have a fucking owner, but this is a team that would rather play the superabomination Hundley than the Champion of the Downtrodden, so unfortunately, it's looking like Reid's not gonna don the Green and Gold anytime soon in this universe.


Yes.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I use this as my CAP Reference:

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/cap/

Cap Space (w/All) $13,646,197

Cap Space (w/Top 51 & Projected Draft Pool) $7,639,112

Cap Space (w/Top 51) $17,006,197

GREEN BAY PACKERS CAP TOTALS

Est. Cap Space (All):
$13,646,197

Est. Cap Space (Top 51):
$17,006,197


TRANSACTIONS ...MAR 22 2018 ...Tramon Williams
Signed a 2 year contract with Green Bay (GB) MAR 21 2018

Plenty of space to sign Reid and others. Plus, as a wise man likes to say, the cap can always be cooked. :)

[Guiness]

Reid is an awesome saftey. Played wherever the Ninners coaches asked him to play. Played the free. Played the strong. Even played the goddamn Nitro. And played 'em all competently. Reid would definitely be an upgrade over Dix, who is in his contract year and odds are, he won't be back after this season.

Burnett played all over the place as well, and they have another thing in common (besides lack of Packer interest in them), trouble staying on the field. Reid appeared in 39 games over the last 3 years, Burnett 38.

But that's the Packers. I don't see any reason for him to be unemployed, and tend to think the BBC has shut both him and Kap out.

[mraynrand]

Gaines to Cleveland...

Cockrell to Panthers?

[woodbuck27]

https://www.packersnews.com/videos/sports/nfl/packers/2018/03/20/who-might-packers-target-draft-cb-help/33113999/

Who might Packers target in draft for CB help?

Comment woodbuck27:

The Draft is deep CB.

So who might Green Bay target at this position of need at or after Pick NO. 14 ?

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I don't see any reason for him to be unemployed, and tend to think the BBC has shut both him and Kap out.

Agreed.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Where's the love for the Revis Island? Sure, the Island is a shadow of his former shutdown corner self. Still, he's younger than T-Will and he crossed path with Pettine in the Big Apple.

I'd rather have Revis than Rollins or any of the other no name guttersnipes currently on the roster. Use the Island at the "star" position, ala C-Wood.

[Tony Oday]

Hope Reid never plays in the NFL again.

[bobblehead]

Where's the love for the Revis Island? Sure, the Island is a shadow of his former shutdown corner self. Still, he's younger than T-Will and he crossed path with Pettine in the Big Apple.

I'd rather have Revis than Rollins or any of the other no name guttersnipes currently on the roster. Use the Island at the "star" position, ala C-Wood.

I think Pettine knows what a selfish prick Revis is and doesn't want to be anywhere near him again.

[Bretsky]

I think Pettine knows what a selfish prick Revis is and doesn't want to be anywhere near him again.



DITTO

[Freak Out]

Hope Reid never plays in the NFL again.

Why? Because of his political views?

[Tony Oday]

Why? Because of his political views? yup

[bobblehead]

Why? Because of his political views?

And yep.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

And yep.

Yeah, Reid should've raped a woman instead. The law would not do a fucking thing about it cos he got the frogskins to hire cheesy lawyers. Goodell would hit him with a 4 game suspension, which would be reduced to 1 game upon appeal, which Reid would serve in the 2021 season.

But knelt before the virtuous Mother of Dragons, and you get blackballed.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I think Pettine knows what a selfish prick Revis is and doesn't want to be anywhere near him again.

Revis single-handily got Pettine the Browns job. Pettine should be grateful for the Island, for once upon a time, the Island was impregnable. Check out the Browns D without Revis Island.

Selfish? How?

[Freak Out]

Reid was a kneeler?

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Reid was a kneeler?

Quit trying to get this nice thread moved to FYI. lol

[beveaux1]

This article sums up my feelings about this offseason. https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2018/3/26/17164362/making-sense-of-the-packers-2017-defense-and-this-offseasons-personnel-moves

[Bossman641]

This article sums up my feelings about this offseason. https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2018/3/26/17164362/making-sense-of-the-packers-2017-defense-and-this-offseasons-personnel-moves

Agreed... pumped for Wilkerson. All the other moves have left me scratching my head.

[Teamcheez1]

I think getting rid of Randall and Burnett is more a reflection on Capers and TT than it is on Gute. Only time will tell.

[woodbuck27]

This article sums up my feelings about this offseason. https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2018/3/26/17164362/making-sense-of-the-packers-2017-defense-and-this-offseasons-personnel-moves

It doesn't look good at all.

Next Season is going to be a struggle.

[Tony Oday]

Next season we will be 13-3 and Super Bowl Bound. This team is an AR away from kicking ass.

[Freak Out]

It doesn't look good at all.

Next Season is going to be a struggle.

What? If AR stays healthy they win it all.

[run pMc]

Every season is a struggle.
Where's Herm Edwards? That's why you play the game!

I'll say this: I agree with others it's easier with ARod as your QB vs. Hundley.

[pbmax]

What? If AR stays healthy they win it all.

Exactly.

[pbmax]

Gutes: Packers In Nearly Every Conversation for Cornerbacks

https://t.co/EfW06FRjVb

Conversation from one end:

Packers: OK, how much you looking for?

... listens ...

Packers: All right, good luck with that!

[gbgary]

Gutes: Packers In Nearly Every Conversation for Cornerbacks

https://t.co/EfW06FRjVb

Conversation from one end:

Packers: OK, how much you looking for?

... listens ...

Packers: All right, good luck with that!


exactly. in the conversation is stupid. have some balls and close the deal. results matter...not conversation. C-

[Fritz]

Are we supposed to feel this is an upgrade from Ted, because they talked to people?

[beveaux1]

exactly. in the conversation is stupid. have some balls and close the deal. results matter...not conversation. C-

My grade is C- or D+. At least last year I felt that Randall would improve and House was an additional CB that might help the defense. We still might pick up House, but he and Williams aren’t getting better. King will, but he’s already our #1. Graham won’t be better than Cook, like we thought Bennett was. Wilkerson has had two straight off years and only improves the best part of our defense...if he’s not used up. Otherwise, he’s a rotation lineman. We better hit on at least 10 of 12 draft picks.

[beveaux1]

I was absolutely certain we would pick up a #1 CB this offseason. That meant we could concentrate on edge rushers, WRs and depth on our OL and LBs with the draft. Maybe even pick up a young TE. Oh well, at least we got a back up for Rodgers...maybe the heir-apparent.

[pbmax]

My grade is C- or D+. At least last year I felt that Randall would improve and House was an additional CB that might help the defense. We still might pick up House, but he and Williams aren’t getting better. King will, but he’s already our #1. Graham won’t be better than Cook, like we thought Bennett was. Wilkerson has had two straight off years and only improves the best part of our defense...if he’s not used up. Otherwise, he’s a rotation lineman. We better hit on at least 10 of 12 draft picks.

I think Graham could be significantly better than Cook if he retains what he used to demonstrate weekly in NO rather than Seattle. Still an open question.

Packers have never used a TE like that under McCarthy. Finley's high number of targets is 92. Graham has surpassed that 6 times. He has gone over 140 twice.

I suspect without Jordy, Graham will be more central to the Packers passing game. But he's not getting younger and he hasn't dominated like that since.

[Teamcheez1]

I'm glad the Packers signed a FA Tight End. Any FA is a risk, so who knows how Graham will turn out.

One thing I do know, is we had nothing at the TE position from a receiving sense until we added Graham. Nobody on the current roster was going to add anything to this team. We may still draft to complement Graham, but we were sorely lacking last season. A real TE would have been Hundley's best target, but we had absolutely nothing.

[Freak Out]

Graham can be a difference maker when healthy and used properly. I think Partial even said he has "it".

[red]

Graham can be a difference maker when healthy and used properly. I think Partial even said he has "it".

IF we play him right, and thats a big IF

stubby has never figured out how to use TEs properly. i have a feeling we'll try and use him just like seattle did, and this signing will be a waste

[beveaux1]

I think Graham could be significantly better than Cook if he retains what he used to demonstrate weekly in NO rather than Seattle. Still an open question.

Packers have never used a TE like that under McCarthy. Finley's high number of targets is 92. Graham has surpassed that 6 times. He has gone over 140 twice.

I suspect without Jordy, Graham will be more central to the Packers passing game. But he's not getting younger and he hasn't dominated like that since.

After the injury, in 10 games, Cook caught 42 passes for 553 yards. He averaged 13.2 yards per catch and was one of the main reasons we won 10 games in a row at the end of the season and the playoffs. I hope that Graham can equal that kind of production, but I have grave doubts.

[pbmax]

Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
Defensive back depth: The #Bills have signed CB Phillip Gaines. ... The #Raiders signed veteran CB Leon Hall.

[gbgary]

smh

[Pugger]

After the injury, in 10 games, Cook caught 42 passes for 553 yards. He averaged 13.2 yards per catch and was one of the main reasons we won 10 games in a row at the end of the season and the playoffs. I hope that Graham can equal that kind of production, but I have grave doubts.

Because...?

[beveaux1]

Because...?

He’s now 31 years old. He’s coming off a year that he averaged less than 10 yards a catch. He appears to have lost some athleticism due to age, wear and tear, and injury.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I don't get why people thought Graham wasn't effective in Seattle. The dude had 923 yards receiving in 2016 and 605 in just 11 games in 2015. He averaged 13 yards/reception. For most TEs that's phenomenal. Graham just happened to set the bar really high. Last year was a bad year, but that team was a dumpster fire.