How much longer before The Packer BRASS gives us a REAL Chance for the Fifth Super Bowl?

[woodbuck27]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce2GXaaKgLg

The Green Bay Packers and a need to always be 'All In' !

How very Lucky I felt we were to see OUR Packers win that last Super Bowl.

Now we need a whole lot of Re-Tooling on 'O' and 'D'. I want the Packer BRASS to show Packer Nation their going ALL IN. Doing that and losing trumps, not doing that and 'of course' losing.


GO Green Bay Packers GO !

[mraynrand]

What does a 'real chance' look like? What precisely should the Packers do for a 'real chance'

[Tony Oday]

Packers have had a real chance for a decade. What the hell do you not watch the games and just spew moronic shit?

[mraynrand]

What the hell do you not watch the games and just spew moronic shit?

Message boards were designed specifically for this.

[woodbuck27]

Packers have had a real chance for a decade. What the hell do you not watch the games and just spew moronic shit?

Moronic shit are Packer fans that can't see the Forest for the Trees. Fans that are deluded into imagining Ted Thompson's style was the answer.

That doesn't include the majority of Packer Nation that agrees with me; and the silly style of managing we have put up with since our last Super Bowl. A GM that had a stuck in his own 'ego attitude' to fully execute the demands of a GM. To 'every day' do all he could, to make the Green Bay Packers better..... to upgrade his team's Roster.

Ted Thompson wasn't what Packer Nation needed for the last half dozen Seasons if ever.

All that and the past aside:

I'm into now not two - four - six Season's ago.

NOW !

It's always today...not yesterday today and the Green Bay Packers need a whole lot more. !

[mraynrand]

A GM that had a stuck in hos own Ego attitude to every day doing all he could to make the Green Bay Packer better to upgrade his Team.

I can't agree or disagree because I can't tell what the fuck you are saying.

[Fritz]

"Woodbuck" is clearly a Russian bot posing as a Canadian Packer fan, generated to sow division and chaos on Packerrats. You can tell English is not his native language.

We're onto you, "Woody"!

[woodbuck27]

"Woodbuck" is clearly a Russian bot posing as a Canadian Packer fan, generated to sow division and chaos on Packerrats. You can tell English is not his native language.

We're onto you, "Woody"!

There's little wrong with my English. I'm just a tad too artistic at times.

I back my keen interest in the Packers and THE NFL up with REAL results.

Too many duppers here simply don't like the TRUTH. :-)

[MadScientist]

The Packers signed the #1 rated DE and the #1 rated TE so far in free agency and they're looking a CB's.

At least they haven't followed your other post and given Rodgers a contract so large they can only afford UDFA's at other positions.

[Fritz]

There's little wrong with my English. I'm just a tad too artistic at times.

I back my keen interest in the Packers and THE NFL up with REAL results.

Too many duppers here simply don't like the TRUTH. :-)


Sure. Whatever you say, Woodbov.

http://garlicescapes.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/boris-badenov.jpg

[woodbuck27]

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2019-nfl-super-bowl-odds-predictions-picks-and-teams-to-fade-from-vegas-expert/

2019 NFL Super Bowl odds: Predictions, picks, and teams to fade from Vegas expert

R.J. White finished in the top 1 percent of the Las Vegas SuperContest and locks in Super Bowl LIII picks

By CBS Sports Staff Mar 8, 2018

New England Patriots: 5/1
Pittsburgh Steelers: 7/1
Philadelphia Eagles: 7/1

Green Bay Packers: 12/1

Minnesota Vikings: 14/1

New Orleans Saints: 16/1
Atlanta Falcons: 18/1
Houston Texans: 18/1

Dallas Cowboys: 20/1
Jacksonville Jaguars: 20/1
Oakland Raiders: 20/1
Los Angeles Rams: 20/1

[mraynrand]

Remember, the bookie's odds of winning are 1:1

[woodbuck27]

Sure. Whatever you say, Woodbov.

http://garlicescapes.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/boris-badenov.jpg

You sort of have it.

I'm a Teacher and I want people to once a while 'at least try' to think.

I've never been 'a matter of fact' sorta person. I'm extremely competitive and know all it takes to be the WINNER.

For too long that has been missing in Green Bay. It's a brand new age.

I'm actually optimistic now but it's not happening in this or next Season.

There's far to much that needs to be done in terms of acquiring talent and developing ie Ala our RB's Room.

This looking for ' Diamonds in a Rock Pile', Dream on BS has to go away.

[pbmax]

The Packers signed the #1 rated DE and the #1 rated TE so far in free agency and they're looking a CB's.

At least they haven't followed your other post and given Rodgers a contract so large they can only afford UDFA's at other positions.

Who was doing the rating MS? I buy Graham, but Wilkerson has been down with not much explanation.

I do remember reading Tanier, I think, saying there were virtually no edge rushers in FA, so perhaps this is legit.

[MadScientist]

Who was doing the rating MS? I buy Graham, but Wilkerson has been down with not much explanation.

I do remember reading Tanier, I think, saying there were virtually no edge rushers in FA, so perhaps this is legit.

ESPN: http://www.espn.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/44066/brian-gutekunst-could-corner-free-agent-market-with-one-more-signing

That article links and talks about the ESPN top 100 FA list (Insider article). There were DT's rated higher than Wilkerson, but apparently no DE's higher.

[Tony Oday]

24 years, 2 SB's, 3 Conference Titles, advanced to the Conference Title Game 7 times missed the playoffs 6 times. You have no idea what you are talking about, the brass has given the Packers a chip chair and a chance 18 years out of 24 to win the SB.

[woodbuck27]

The Packers signed the #1 rated DE and the #1 rated TE so far in free agency and they're looking a CB's.

At least they haven't followed your other post and given Rodgers a contract so large they can only afford UDFA's at other positions.

Baloney! Shaking my head.

There's little in your Post that complies with my observations and Packers and this beginning of Free Agency.

I see the Packers trying now. I agree with you as anyone observing the Packers over the last decade would. The New Packer GM is putting in some effort. TT was over the TOP way too stubborn and Free Agency and Packer Nation was way beyond frustrated with his stance.

What happens between Aaron Rodgers (and his Agent) and Packer BRASS and his next Contract is left to be seen.

In fact ** I'm on RECORD ** that I hope he'll act as Tom Brady has and assume a Contract that is friendly and allowing freedom for the Packers to sign better talent to the Roster. That 'only' makes common sense as he needs real talented players to get to and win another Super Bowl Ring.

** See Thread 'Guess Aaron's Extension'' and Post NO.10 on that thread Please.

[woodbuck27]

24 years, 2 SB's, 3 Conference Titles, advanced to the Conference Title Game 7 times missed the playoffs 6 times. You have no idea what you are talking about, the brass has given the Packers a chip chair and a chance 18 years out of 24 to win the SB.


Now having a GM that will endeavour to use Free Agency and even make a trade. The Green Bay Packers have a decent chance of averaging one Super Bowl Title ever Decade for the last three.

As Ted Thompson was getting his way that wasn't going to happen.

[mraynrand]

TT was over the TOP way too stubborn and Free Agency and Packer Nation was way beyond frustrated with his stance.

Psalm 13

[pbmax]

ESPN: http://www.espn.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/44066/brian-gutekunst-could-corner-free-agent-market-with-one-more-signing

That article links and talks about the ESPN top 100 FA list (Insider article). There were DT's rated higher than Wilkerson, but apparently no DE's higher.

These guys agree: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000917412/article/top-101-nfl-free-agents-of-2018-kirk-cousins-tops-the-board

Overall #21 (MW) and #23 (JG).

[woodbuck27]

Then there's this:

https://247sports.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/Bolt/NFL-Free-Agency-Bears-and-Browns-expected-to-be-in-on-Morgan-Burnett-per-report-116225855

Morgan Burnett is expected to garner interest from the Cleveland Browns and Chicago Bears in free agency.

Matt Eurich - Mar 14, 10:40 AM

[woodbuck27]

Alec Ogletree is now a NY Giant !

Wouldn't he have looked good as a Packer? Don't we have a big need in the middle and LBer!?

Can't you as a Packer fan imagine his impact on the Packer Defense? Why didn't the Packer GM get there and at least be in play for Alec Ogletree?

http://www.nfl.com/videos/baldys-bre...ts-Film-Review

[Fritz]

Woody, there's this thing? It's called the "salary cap." What it basically means is that teams are only allowed a set amount of money on their team each year. So, the general manager has to decide how to divvy up that limited amount of salary each year for his team.

Does that make sense? Do you understand now?

[woodbuck27]

Woody, there's this thing? It's called the "salary cap." What it basically means is that teams are only allowed a set amount of money on their team each year. So, the general manager has to decide how to divvy up that limited amount of salary each year for his team.

Does that make sense? Do you understand now?

Are you serious !

I've got n extremely HIGH IQ ( I know Math I've a University Degree and a Major in Mathematics. Mathematics... Hah!

Adding and Subtracting is something I understood in Grade TWO I I've taught Mathematics and I possess more that just a little wisdom. I can understand what managing a CAP means. As a GM if I didn't feel very confident in CAPOLOGY I'd have a Man on my staff that certainly does.

Next Season we have to watch a declining CM III again swishing his hair and we might have had Alec Ogletree.

Being a GM means being a managing General manager.

It means being determined 'every fricken day' to improve his Teams Roster. Managing !

[Fritz]

Then why do you ask in every thread in which a free agent is signed why the Packers weren't in the running for that player's services?

[woodbuck27]

Then why do you ask in every thread in which a free agent is signed why the Packers weren't in the running for that player's services?

In every thread?

Bring on the proof. Bring it !

[mraynrand]

Are you serious !

I've got n extremely HIGH IQ ( I know Math I've a University Degree and a Major in Mathematics. Mathematics... Hah!

Adding and Subtracting is something I understood in Grade TWO I I've taught Mathematics and I possess more that just a little wisdom. I can understand what managing a CAP means. As a GM if I didn't feel very confident in CAPOLOGY I'd have a Man on my staff that certainly does.

Next Season we have to watch a declining CM III again swishing his hair and we might have had Alec Ogletree.

Being a GM means being a managing General manager.

It means being determined 'every fricken day' to improve his Teams Roster. Managing !


Oh yeah? Without consulting google, write out the Möbius inversion formula.

[Tony Oday]

Woody's high IQ must be in the 80s. My god man we have to re-sign AR and he is going to take a chunk of cap. We had two first day signings. Hoping we get an Al Harris type value at corner but we can't fucking sign everyone you cheap maple syrup offerer.

[woodbuck27]

Woody's high IQ must be in the 80s. My god man we have to re-sign AR and he is going to take a chunk of cap. We had two first day signings. Hoping we get an Al Harris type value at corner but we can't fucking sign everyone you cheap maple syrup offerer.


I've got the proper Canuck response to your :shtf::

[Tony Oday]

Roll over and ask the US to handle it? You serve Mrs Buttersworth.

[mraynrand]

Roll over and ask the US to handle it? You serve Mrs Buttersworth.

lol

[woodbuck27]

Roll over and ask the US to handle it? You serve Mrs Buttersworth.

Your not stooping so low as Politics are you!? Mister, if that was ever the case and I didn't give you 'the Mercy Rule'.

You wouldn't enjoy what you'd be up against.

That's why we don't go there on this Forum.

[woodbuck27]

Can we get back on Topic.

[mraynrand]

Can we get back on Topic.

You? not a chance. :)

[mraynrand]

I'm still waiting for the Möbius inversion formula.

[Tony Oday]

We are on the topic of you bitching and moaning about a team that for the majority of its time this century is in a spot to win it all but you can't see it because you do not know football.

[woodbuck27]

https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2017/03/06/6-fan-bases-that-will-have-emotional-reactions-in-early-free-agency/

6 fan bases that will have emotional reactions in early free agency

Green Bay Packers (reaction: surprise)

" ... Sometimes there’s just a gut feeling that something big is about to happen. The Packers traditionally sit out of the free agency period, but its time for them to step up and make sure Aaron Rodgers gets some weapons. That means spending money on free agent talent that can help the Packers get back to the Super Bowl. It’s not hoping Eddie Lacy loses 20 pounds, and only keeping home-grown players. The Packers have a bunch of cap space. It’s time to use it. ..."

[woodbuck27]

We are on the topic of you bitching and moaning about a team that for the majority of its time this century is in a spot to win it all but you can't see it because you do not know football.

Bring your super intelligence to next years Pro Pickem here and demonstrate how much you know about the NFL

You won't go there because you'll get 'a real wake up call'. What you know Vs what you imagine you know.

I would predict the humiliation would have you done by mid November.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I'm still waiting for the Möbius inversion formula.

I once scored 100% on my college placement Math test, which was good enough for me to skip all the 100-level math classes. I don't recall any questions on said test about the Moby Iverson formula, but I'll PM Nutz and get back to you. I think the Deputy is also a math teach, from reading some of the archives. :tup:

[mraynrand]

I once scored 100% on my college placement Math test, which was good enough for me to skip all the 100-level math classes.

Do you reflect on that much while flipping burgers? :)

[mraynrand]

I once scored 100% on my college placement Math test, which was good enough for me to skip all the 100-level math classes. I don't recall any questions on said test about the Moby Iverson formula, but I'll PM Nutz and get back to you. I think the Deputy is also a math teach, from reading some of the archives. :tup:

I think Nutz (and Skinbasket) are still working on the Three Body Problem.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Do you reflect on that much while flipping burgers? :)

Yes. I shoulda majored in English. :(

[woodbuck27]

Posted by mraynrand : ``Do you reflect on that much while flipping burgers? ``

Sweet Mary , Joseph and Jesus please save this Forum from Dumbing Out.

mraynrand has returned from a refresher course in `prejudice maximus`.

[mraynrand]

Posted by mraynrand : ``Do you reflect on that much while flipping burgers? ``

Sweet Mary , Joseph and Jesus please save this Forum from Dumbing Out.

mraynrand has returned from a refresher course in `prejudice maximus`.

APB enjoys lamenting/bragging about his burger flipping prowess. It's only fitting that I respond in kind. Secretly, I believe he is as smart as Dr. John Holmes, MD. Ph.D.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Posted by mraynrand : ``Do you reflect on that much while flipping burgers? ``

Sweet Mary , Joseph and Jesus please save this Forum from Dumbing Out.

mraynrand has returned from a refresher course in `prejudice maximus`.

It's alright, Woody. I'm not offended. I do flip burgers for the minimum-wage, which may or may not be a lame metaphor for something else of similar substance.

If anyone has a time-machine, lemme know cos I wanna go back to my "prime" years and do things differently. Like major in English. Watch a little less porn. Maybe even smoke a little less Mary Jane.

[mraynrand]

If anyone has a time-machine, lemme know cos I wanna go back to my "prime" years and do things differently. Like major in English. Watch a little less porn. Maybe even smoke a little less pot.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3LHAlcrTRA

[woodbuck27]

It's alright, Woody. I'm not offended. I do flip burgers for the minimum-wage, which may or may not be a lame metaphor for something else of similar substance.

If anyone has a time-machine, lemme know cos I wanna go back to my "prime" years and do things differently. Like major in English. Watch a little less porn. Maybe even smoke a little less Mary Jane.

Hey Man...never forget GOD loves you. :-)

Everywhere you go there are the `Good Guy`s and we realize who they are because there are the BAD Guys.

Anti-Polar Bear: In my book of LIFE your one of the Good Guys.

[mraynrand]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z_LBNF_-xI

[Anti-Polar Bear]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3LHAlcrTRA

Napoleon Dynamite: Timeless flick.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Hey Man...never forget GOD loves you. :-)

Everywhere you go there are the `Good Guy`s and we realize who they are because there are the BAD Guys.

Anti-Polar Bear: In my book of LIFE your one of the Good Guys.

Thanks Woody. Although in the Kentucky's book, I'll always be the bad guy. lol

[woodbuck27]

Thanks Woody. Although in the Kentucky's book, I'll always be the bad guy. lol

There's an old saying:

if anyone takes enough of their time to make stances and speeches about you. Your likey popular or otherwise more flamboyant than that person can deal with.

It's better that on a Forum than to be that small 'G' guy, that's ignored because of a 'low life - no class' style.

I've a certain respect here for KY because he's a solid football Guy. He's demonstrated to me in the Pro Pickem that he's a lot more than 'just a Homer' Packer fan. He understands the NFL in all it's dynamics. That takes attention and a certain minimum level of dedication.

.

[Zool]

Can we get this thread back on track, whatever that happened to be. I really can't tell. Maybe we are on track?

[woodbuck27]

Can we get this thread back on track, whatever that happened to be. I really can't tell. Maybe we are on track?

We need the Packer BRASS to get on track and sign something that resembles a decent DB.

They just made and Offer to last Year Bears CB Kyle Fuller:

" Packers have signed #Bears CB Kyle Fuller to an offer sheet. Chicago placed transition tag (*** $12.9067 million on Fuller). So things will get interesting in the NFC North as the rivals compete for the former first-round draft pick. "

*** Yikes that's a lot of CAP space. This is a strange move IMO.

[mraynrand]

Can we get this thread back on track, whatever that happened to be. I really can't tell. Maybe we are on track?

look at the title: this thread was intended to provoke animus. I love it. :)

[Bretsky]

With Gooter and McCarthy winning will continue

[pbmax]

With Gooter and McCarthy winning will continue

You and your Kool Aid.

Ted and I will have our revenge!

[Vincenzo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce2GXaaKgLg

The Green Bay Packers and a need to always be 'All In' !

How very Lucky I felt we were to see OUR Packers win that last Super Bowl.

Now we need a whole lot of Re-Tooling on 'O' and 'D'. I want the Packer BRASS to show Packer Nation their going ALL IN. Doing that and losing trumps, not doing that and 'of course' losing.


GO Green Bay Packers GO !
I think you're drinking again, Woodduck. ;-)
Gotta love your passion though. Go Pack!

[woodbuck27]

I think you're drinking again, Woodduck. ;-)
Gotta love your passion though. Go Pack!

There's a difference between thinking you see it and ...... seeing it. :idea:

[Rutnstrut]

I would be shocked to see them get to another Superb Owl with stubby as coach.

[mraynrand]

I would be shocked to see them get to another Superb Owl with stubby as coach.

It's certainly a good bet he won't win another. Tomlin can't do it. Carroll can't do it. Payton can't do it. Hairball I (John) couldn't do it. Hairball II (Jim) never did it. Other than Cheat, no coach is still active who won two, right? Tom Coughlin and Shanny are the last two other than Cheat. There's virtually no repeat championship success anymore.

[Zool]

It's certainly a good bet he won't win another. Tomlin can't do it. Carroll can't do it. Payton can't do it. Hairball I (John) couldn't do it. Hairball II (Jim) never did it. Other than Cheat, no coach is still active who won two, right? Tom Coughlin and Shanny are the last two other than Cheat. There's virtually no repeat championship success anymore.

That’s because all those coaches are overrated and their GMs don’t know how to assemble a football team. They are all just farts in the wind.

[call_me_ishmael]

Tomlin can't do it - he goes against the Pats nearly every year. That's a tough, tough draw.
Carroll can't do it - nearly did it twice, lost on the INT. Been to more than MM.
Payton - I thought they were gonna make it this year but didn't. They aren't talented enough since Drew Brees is better than good but not quite great.
Harbaugh, John - No QB
Harbaugh, Jim - What he did is amazing.

You know how LeBron is good enough alone to get to the finals every year? That should be Aaron if the rest of the team wasn't hot garbage. I like MM a lot but there are definitely some better coaches. Namely the Harbaugh's I think.

[Fritz]

In every thread?

Bring on the proof. Bring it !

Okay, Woodbov. Bring it I will. You asked for evidence to back my claim that in most every thread you ask why the Packers weren't involved in the bidding for almost every free agent's services, as if the Packers should be trying to sign everyone.

From page three of the "defensive backs" thread, here's your post: "Our CB's situation is bad! Do we have anything like a Malcolm Butler in an NFL that's clearly about winning the passing game?

How much pressure does a BAD Packer Passing Defense place on a solid Offense, before that Offense cannot keep up?

Why weren't the Packers in play for the services of a Top CB like Malcolm Butler?"

From this very thread, in the page above, you write the following: "Alec Ogletree is now a NY Giant !

Wouldn't he have looked good as a Packer? Don't we have a big need in the middle and LBer!?

Can't you as a Packer fan imagine his impact on the Packer Defense? Why didn't the Packer GM get there and at least be in play for Alec Ogletree?"

These were posted after the Packers had signed Graham and Wilkerson.

[mraynrand]

Tomlin can't do it - he goes against the Pats nearly every year. That's a tough, tough draw.
Carroll can't do it - nearly did it twice, lost on the INT. Been to more than MM.
Payton - I thought they were gonna make it this year but didn't. They aren't talented enough since Drew Brees is better than good but not quite great.
Harbaugh, John - No QB
Harbaugh, Jim - What he did is amazing.

You know how LeBron is good enough alone to get to the finals every year? That should be Aaron if the rest of the team wasn't hot garbage. I like MM a lot but there are definitely some better coaches. Namely the Harbaugh's I think.

Hairball (Jim) had a collection of top picks, particularly on the defense. Yes, he's a good coach, but he never won the Big dance, let alone repeated.

So what If Seattle lost on a INT. Holmy lost on a tipped pass to Brooks you could argue. The fact is Coughlin Shanny and Cheat are the only repeaters since Jimmy Johnson (and maybe the Vulture, I'll have to check that*). That covers the last thirty years. The point being that it's pretty damn rare, even though Stubby developed the best QB in the league.



*edit: George Seifert did repeat in 1994. He also won in 1989 in his first year taking over for Walsh.

[Fritz]

Jim Harbaugh sucks as a college coach.

[Bretsky]

Jim Harbaugh sucks as a college coach.

Up to this point he's grossly overrated as a college coach.

Outspoken...talks the talk...but can't walk the walk.

It would not surprise me if he still excels...but up to thisi point he's a bitch to Urban Meyer just like everybody else in the Big Ten.

[Fritz]

Up to this point he's grossly overrated as a college coach.

Outspoken...talks the talk...but can't walk the walk.

It would not surprise me if he still excels...but up to thisi point he's a bitch to Urban Meyer just like everybody else in the Big Ten.

Truth. But at least others aren't blowhards and assjacks like Harbaugh. At least not to the level that guy is. Ugh.

[woodbuck27]

Okay, Woodbov. Bring it I will. You asked for evidence to back my claim that in most every thread you ask why the Packers weren't involved in the bidding for almost every free agent's services, as if the Packers should be trying to sign everyone.

From page three of the "defensive backs" thread, here's your post: "Our CB's situation is bad! Do we have anything like a Malcolm Butler in an NFL that's clearly about winning the passing game?

How much pressure does a BAD Packer Passing Defense place on a solid Offense, before that Offense cannot keep up?

Why weren't the Packers in play for the services of a Top CB like Malcolm Butler?"

From this very thread, in the page above, you write the following: "Alec Ogletree is now a NY Giant !

Wouldn't he have looked good as a Packer? Don't we have a big need in the middle and LBer!?

Can't you as a Packer fan imagine his impact on the Packer Defense? Why didn't the Packer GM get there and at least be in play for Alec Ogletree?"

These were posted after the Packers had signed Graham and Wilkerson.

CB Malcolm Butler:

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tennessee-titans/malcolm-butler-15769/market-value/

LBER Alec Ogletree

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/alec-ogletree-12310/

Yes it comes down to just how much CAP the Packers have left Fritz and allowing for the Draft Class? Googling for the answer:

Cap Space (w/All) $13,646,197

Cap Space (w/Top 51 & Projected Draft Pool) $7,639,112

Cap Space (w/Top 51) $17,006,197

If in fact our new FA' signings came before my Posts 'spank me'. :x

Frankly I don't like the Jimmy Graham signing when we had such need all over the Defense. We paid BIG WR CAP space for a Specialist TE and someone who carries the Rep. of not being a Blocking TE. That wasn't smart.

We are now in poor shape and our Teams Secondary. You would have to be 'a brain dead' or uninformed Packer fan' to not realize that TRUTH and now it's a bigger problem and just a bottom NFL dweller and Pass "D' but we need a Feature WR as well. We have need all over and who will be the blocking TE?

I merely have made suggestions. I do NOT insist in any particular FA as 'a must sign'.

That isn't my place as a Packer NFL fan. As a member of Packerrats (a Football Forum) and as a contributor; it is my place to offer input and simple suggestions. This is what a Forum is al about ........... right!? :idea:

[Rutnstrut]

IMO the Jimmy Graham signing was as much to appease Rodgers as it was to fill "need". I have wanted a legitimate TE for redzone plays for awhile, I can only imagine what AR has said. The bottom line is that TT ignored a lot of positions on this team for a long time. It's now coming back to bite them in the ass and they can't fill even half of what they need.

[woodbuck27]

https://lombardiave.com/2018/04/09/green-bay-packers-complete-team/

Why the Green Bay Packers must become a complete team

" ...Following misfortune in the 2017 season the Packers now find themselves looking up in the standings to some NFC powers. At this moment, the Philadelphia Eagles, Minnesota Vikings, Los Angeles Rams, New Orleans Saints and Atlanta Falcons all appear to be better teams than the Packers. These are more complete teams, who don’t rely entirely on their offense or defense. The days of Aaron Rodgers dragging the Packers through the playoffs are over. ..."


By Nile McNair21 hours ago

[woodbuck27]

IMO the Jimmy Graham signing was as much to appease Rodgers as it was to fill "need". I have wanted a legitimate TE for redzone plays for awhile, I can only imagine what AR has said. The bottom line is that TT ignored a lot of positions on this team for a long time. It's now coming back to bite them in the ass and they can't fill even half of what they need.

It's going to take 2, and more likely 3 Seasons as a minimum, to have a realistic shot.

[mraynrand]

IMO the Jimmy Graham signing was as much to appease Rodgers as it was to fill "need". I have wanted a legitimate TE for redzone plays for awhile, I can only imagine what AR has said. The bottom line is that TT ignored a lot of positions on this team for a long time. It's now coming back to bite them in the ass and they can't fill even half of what they need.

This is a pretty weak take, considering they signed Cook, Bennett, Kendricks and Graham in less than two years' time. It looks much more like they see the TE position as valuable than as an 'appeasement' to Rodgers, whatever the hell that means.

[woodbuck27]

If Packerrats had a Bell it wouldn't sound like .... Gong ... Gong ... Gong .... but rather:

Homer ... Homer ... Homer.

[mraynrand]

If Packerrats had a Bell it wouldn't sound like .... Gong ... Gong ... Gong .... but rather:

Homer ... Homer ... Homer.

blow it out your bazooka

[texaspackerbacker]

The Packers have a good chance any year that Aaron Rodgers stays healthy. They just haven't maximized things, though, for a long time, maybe ever. This year, depending on how the draft comes out - and of course, the luck of things falling right, they have a very good chance - still not maximized, but getting there.

[mraynrand]

The Packers have a good chance any year that Aaron Rodgers stays healthy. They just haven't maximized things, though, for a long time, maybe ever..

Do you mean go "all in" for a year, with the possibility of facing a multi-year cap problem? I think that's about the only thing they haven't done. You can agree/disagree whether it's the right thing, but given the examples of the multi-year downturns some teams experience, without winning a championship, it doesn't seem smart. There just are no guarantees. You can't really do things the way the 1994 49ers did and buy a championship with 6-7 free agent starters brought in in one year. You just have to build a solid foundation and have everything fall in place for you. Losing guys like Collins and Shields among other injuries and horrible circumstances kinda short circuit that. Packers were perfectly positioned to win it all in 2014 because of smart FA acquisitions and drafting. Shit happened.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Do you mean go "all in" for a year, with the possibility of facing a multi-year cap problem? I think that's about the only thing they haven't done. You can agree/disagree whether it's the right thing, but given the examples of the multi-year downturns some teams experience, without winning a championship, it doesn't seem smart. There just are no guarantees. You can't really do things the way the 1994 49ers did and buy a championship with 6-7 free agent starters brought in in one year. You just have to build a solid foundation and have everything fall in place for you. Losing guys like Collins and Shields among other injuries and horrible circumstances kinda short circuit that. Packers were perfectly positioned to win it all in 2014 because of smart FA acquisitions and drafting. Shit happened.

Cap hell? Who runs it, Hades or Pluto?

Ain't no cap hell in this day and age of soaring revenues and titanic TV contracts, yo! Cook the cap today, and let the average Joes and MSM bail out the franchises tomorrow.

[mraynrand]

Cap hell? Who runs it, Hades or Pluto?

Ain't no cap hell in this day and age of soaring revenues and titanic TV contracts, yo! Cook the cap today, and let the average Joes and MSM bail out the franchises tomorrow.

this seems rational.

[Deputy Nutz]

Truth. But at least others aren't blowhards and assjacks like Harbaugh. At least not to the level that guy is. Ugh.


I just watched "All or Nothing" 2017 of the Michigan Wolverines on Amazon Prime. I have to say I was very impressed with Harbaugh.

[mraynrand]

I just watched "All or Nothing" 2017 of the Michigan Wolverines on Amazon Prime. I have to say I was very impressed with Harbaugh.

Hairball is a good guy actually. He has standards. He's just a hothead and whiny on the field.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

this seems rational.

It's actually easier to buy rings today than in the 90's. Back then, the cap increased something like 2-5 M yearly and there was no "carry over." Today, $10-20 M, sometimes more, with carry overs. And the pig owners aren't losing money, despite ignorant people's threats to boycott the NFL over the players' harmless protests of social maladies.

Go all-in. Cook the cap. Prosper.

[mraynrand]

Today, $10-20 M, sometimes more, with carry overs.

That's 1 maybe two mid-level players at most.

[pbmax]

Cap hell? Who runs it, Hades or Pluto?

Ain't no cap hell in this day and age of soaring revenues and titanic TV contracts, yo! Cook the cap today, and let the average Joes and MSM bail out the franchises tomorrow.

Please see the Cowboys defense. Or check out the 22 year contract Tyron Smith signed because he was under family duress that saved Jones' butt from more cost cutting.

Romo's contract was a big part of that. Dez to a lesser degree now.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

That's 1 maybe two mid-level players at most.

You are fluent in the Moby-Iverson formula, so elementary math shouldn't be too hard for you. Signing 6-7 elite free agents with $10-$20 M of cap space, plus carry over, is feasible and not difficult. Just gotta cook the cap.

Capology is so easy, the Packers have a personal trainer managing their cap.

Btw, as far as I can tell, the Moby-Iverson formula pertains to the act of watching highlights of Allen Iverson to the tune of Moby's "Extreme Ways."

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Please see the Cowboys defense. Or check out the 22 year contract Tyron Smith signed because he was under family duress that saved Jones' butt from more cost cutting.

Romo's contract was a big part of that. Dez to a lesser degree now.

Are the Cowboys currently in a cap hell? If they really, really wanted to sign, say, Sammy Watkins, they could've gotten him. Just gotta cook the cap.

Nowadays, with soaring revenues and titanic TV contracts, the cap is a nonissue. If a pig owner doesn't want to get too fat (eat all his profits greedily), he can sign 6-7 elite free agents with ease simply by guaranteeing frogskins. Sign the elite free agents to multi-year deals with large signing bonuses. Restructure the contracts of current, still-productive players with fat cap hits by turning their fat base salaries into signing bonuses. In short, cooking the cap.

With soaring revenues and titanic TV contracts, the cap will always be inflated materially and the pig owners will always get fed.

[woodbuck27]

You are fluent in the Moby-Iverson formula, so elementary math shouldn't be too hard for you. Signing 6-7 elite free agents with $10-$20 M of cap space, plus carry over, is feasible and not difficult. Just gotta cook the cap.

Capology is so easy, the Packers have a personal trainer managing their cap.

Btw, as far as I can tell, the Moby-Iverson formula pertains to the act of watching highlights of Allen Iverson to the tune of Moby's "Extreme Ways."

" Signing 6-7 elite free agents with $10-$20 M of cap space " Anti-Polar Bear

:-)

[mraynrand]

" Signing 6-7 elite free agents with $10-$20 M of cap space " Anti-Polar Bear

:-)


You just need to know how to "cook the cap." lol

[Cheesehead Craig]

You just need to know how to "cook the cap." lol

http://www.mediaite.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Swedish+Chef+Scspicysauce.jpeg

[mraynrand]

^^^ I knew something was on the way, just not what it would be...

[Cheesehead Craig]

BORK BORK BORK!!!!

[pbmax]

Chocolate Moose!

[mraynrand]

BORK BORK BORK!!!!

Take it to FYI!

[KYPack]

1. You can't cheat an honest man.
2. Never give a sucker an even break.
3. Never, ever smarten up a chump.
4. It's easy to fool a fool.

[woodbuck27]

1. You can't cheat an honest man.
2. Never give a sucker an even break.
3. Never, ever smarten up a chump.
4. It's easy to fool a fool.

"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." Confucius

"The will to win, the desire to succeed, the urge to reach your full potential... these are the keys that will unlock the door to personal excellence." Confucius

"I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand." Confucius

" Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance." Confucius

I suspect that this Guy:

https://cdn.wealthygorilla.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/35-Powerful-Vince-Lombardi-Quotes-to-Remember.jpg

Somehow came to understand this Guy:

https://myhero.com/images/guest/g225849/hero63910/g225849_u74423_confucius-757900.jpg

[mraynrand]

^^^ Confucing

[KYPack]

"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." Confucius

"The will to win, the desire to succeed, the urge to reach your full potential... these are the keys that will unlock the door to personal excellence." Confucius

"I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand." Confucius

" Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance." Confucius

I suspect that this Guy:

https://cdn.wealthygorilla.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/35-Powerful-Vince-Lombardi-Quotes-to-Remember.jpg

Somehow came to understand this Guy:

https://myhero.com/images/guest/g225849/hero63910/g225849_u74423_confucius-757900.jpg

OK Woody (or Patler or Maxi or Old but Not or somebody) here's some old time trivia that you can't Google.

The players in the above photo are (L-R) Jim Taylor, Dan Curry, (St Vince)& Hawg Hanner. For some sort of grand prize Who is the player on the far right?

[woodbuck27]

OK Woody (or Patler or Maxi or Old but Not or somebody) here's some old time trivia that you can't Google.

The players in the above photo are (L-R) Jim Taylor, Dan Curry, (St Vince)& Hawg Hanner. For some sort of grand prize Who is the player on the far right?

OK KY Hold onto the correct answer...I'm trying to answer this question.

[hoosier]

OK Woody (or Patler or Maxi or Old but Not or somebody) here's some old time trivia that you can't Google.

The players in the above photo are (L-R) Jim Taylor, Dan Curry, (St Vince)& Hawg Hanner. For some sort of grand prize Who is the player on the far right?

Looks like Ben Agajanian to me.

[woodbuck27]

OK Woody (or Patler or Maxi or Old but Not or somebody) here's some old time trivia that you can't Google.

The players in the above photo are (L-R) Jim Taylor, Dan Curry, (St Vince)& Hawg Hanner. For some sort of grand prize Who is the player on the far right?

Things I know this Morning and clues to the answer to your Question KYPack:

The dates this photo was most likely taken * Dec. 31,1961* or ** Dec. 30,1962 **.

Why because on those Dates the Green Bay Packers defeated the Eastern Rep. the New York Giants for the NFC League Championships.

* Score Packers win 31-0 and ** Packers win 16-7.

The Packer were trying to identify has a plain helmet without a face guard or with just a chin strap. `

The 1961 Championship Game

Date: December 31
Location: City Stadium, Green Bay, Wisconsin
Game attendance: 39,029
Game weather: 17 °F (−8 °C), wind 10 mph

The 1962 Championship Game:

Date December 30, 1962

Stadium Yankee Stadium, The Bronx, New York City, New York

The game was played in 17 °F (−8 °C) temperatures[4] with 35–40 mph (56–64 km/h) winds,

Not a good day for a passing game. :cnf:

So that was nice but we always look ahead as we are Packer Fans and expect to win the Championship.

It`s just this mentality and being a 6 Decade or Plus Green Bay Packer Fan:

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/QQUAAOSwWZpZ~i5o/s-l300.jpg

[woodbuck27]

Looks like Ben Agajanian to me.

My first thought was this Guy isn`t a WASP but appearance wise is of Ethnic Origin and he looked like an East Indian.

The thing I saw was no helmet face guard and I got thinking: Is he a kickerÉ

Checking Ben Agajanian.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Agajanian

In 1961 Ben Agajanian `Kicked`for the Green Bay Packers.

It fits but..... is that definitely our Guy?

On Dec. 31, 1961 The Packers defeated the NY Giants 31-0 at City Stadium, Green Bay, Wisconsin

Game attendance: 39,029

Game weather: 17 °F (−8 °C), wind 10 mph

[mraynrand]

^^^ This is like an episode of The Mentalist, except with Patrick Jane being replaced by Soupy Sales.

[woodbuck27]

Get this photo:

A Guy getting a photo of 'a Guy' taking the photo:; hahaha

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/22/0a/a4/220aa4337c560667533728e8242303de.jpg

[mraynrand]

^ I feel sorry for Vince, having to live with a malformed right hand.

[woodbuck27]

http://www.packershistory.net/files/PACKERS/1961PACKERS-WorldChampionTeamPhoto.JPG

The 1961 Green Bay Packers (11-3)

Where is Ben Agajanian? He's NOT in this Packer Team photo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Agajanian

" Ben Agajanian had four toes of his kicking foot crushed and later amputated in a work accident in 1939 while playing in college.

He overcame the injury to become pro football's second kicking specialist (after Mose Kelsch), booting field goals for 10 different professional teams in the 1940s, 1950s and 1960s, including two NFL champions:

the New York Giants in 1956 and the Green Bay Packers in 1961.

After retiring from the field at age 45,[6] he was the Dallas Cowboys kicking coach for 20 years. "

Facts:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1961_Green_Bay_Packers_season#1961_NFL_Championshi p_Game_vs._New_York

Special Teams

PK Paul Hornung
P Boyd Dowler
KR Herb Adderley
PR Willie Wood

************************************************** ************************************

Here's the answer to the Mystery:

" ...Agajanian joined the Packers on Nov. 17, 1961, three days after Paul Hornung, who doubled as the team’s starting halfback and kicker at the time, reported to Fort Riley, Kan., for active National Guard duty.

The Packers were scheduled to play the Los Angeles Rams at home two days later and Hornung was unable to get a weekend pass for the game from his commanding officer at Fort Riley.

Agajanian had an arrangement with the Texans where he kicked on game day, but spent weekdays at home in Long Beach, Calif. He worked out the same arrangement with Lombardi after signing with the Packers.

“I flew back and forth every week,” Agajanian said in 2002. “(Lombardi) said take these balls home and practice.

I said, ‘I don’t need any practice.’

Trivia (Check this!?):

Agajanian was credited with being pro football’s first kicking specialist and spent at least parts of seven seasons in the NFL, four in the AFL and two in the All-American Football Conference. His last season was 1964 when he kicked in three games for the San Diego Chargers.

When Hornung struggled as the Packers’ kicker that same season (1961) , Lombardi recruited Agajanian to come to Green Bay and work with him at one point during the season. Agajanian also went to camp with the Packers in 1962 in a kicker-kicking coach arrangement before being waived in early September.

His nicknames over his career included “Bootin’ Ben,” and “The Toeless Wonder.” ..."

Ref: http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-daily-news-story/article-1/Lombardi-bent-NFL-rules-to-acquire-Agajanian/c5e62f4b-587a-42c8-8236-afa4b3ecb0b6

[mraynrand]

Where is Ben Agajanian? He's NOT in this Packer Team photo.

He was added mid-season. Then he missed the game-winning FG. That's why he kidnapped Snowflake.

[hoosier]

^ I feel sorry for Vince, having to live with a malformed right hand.

The hand? That's nothing!!! How the hell do you think he felt going through life with no legs?????

[pbmax]

Are the Cowboys currently in a cap hell? If they really, really wanted to sign, say, Sammy Watkins, they could've gotten him. Just gotta cook the cap.

Nowadays, with soaring revenues and titanic TV contracts, the cap is a nonissue. If a pig owner doesn't want to get too fat (eat all his profits greedily), he can sign 6-7 elite free agents with ease simply by guaranteeing frogskins. Sign the elite free agents to multi-year deals with large signing bonuses. Restructure the contracts of current, still-productive players with fat cap hits by turning their fat base salaries into signing bonuses. In short, cooking the cap.

With soaring revenues and titanic TV contracts, the cap will always be inflated materially and the pig owners will always get fed.

Cap Hell: When you clear cap space by cutting players even with dead money in order to afford the other dead money on you cap.

Here’s how much the Cowboys are paying people in 2018 who aren’t even playing for them anymore:

Tony Romo: $8.9M
Dez Bryant: $8M
Cedric Thornton: $2.5M
Nolan Carroll: $2M
Benson Mayowa: $1.1M

Total = $22.5M

[mraynrand]

Total = $22.5M

you could bring in 6-7 elite FAs with that kind of cash!

[woodbuck27]

http://www.giants.com/assets/images/imported/NYG/agajanian-1-21418.jpg

Ben Agajanian - Kicker

http://www.packers.com/assets/images/imported/GB/photos/article_images/2018/02-february/180214-agajanian-ben-remembrance-950.jpg

[woodbuck27]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gDyTiFBKgbo/UD-IlG1jbEI/AAAAAAAAJjY/tUC1kEhd_Bs/s1600/1962_TrainingCamp_Agajanian.jpg

Ben Agajanian and ' the wearing of the GREEN and GOLD '.

[woodbuck27]

OK Woody (or Patler or Maxi or Old but Not or somebody) here's some old time trivia that you can't Google.

The players in the above photo are (L-R) Jim Taylor, Dan Curry, (St Vince)& Hawg Hanner. For some sort of grand prize Who is the player on the far right?

That Green Bay Packer is former Kicker (1961) Ben Agajanian.

Looks like Ben Agajanian to me. Hoosier from Post #98 this Thread.

[woodbuck27]

http://www.setcelebs.com/images/ben-agajanian-03.jpg

Digging through Green Bay Packer memorabilia.

" The Old Mule Isn't What He Used To Be. " Edwin

[mraynrand]

Laces out!

[hoosier]

Apologies to all, did not mean to set Woodie off like that.

[mraynrand]

Apologies to all, did not mean to set Woodie off like that.

A good time was had by all.

[woodbuck27]

Now...here's the rest of the Ben Agajanian and Vince Lombardi and the Green Bay Packers Story:

http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-daily-news-story/article-1/Lombardi-bent-NFL-rules-to-acquire-Agajanian/c5e62f4b-587a-42c8-8236-afa4b3ecb0b6

Lombardi bent NFL rules to acquire Agajanian

Agajanian served as Packers' emergency kicker en route to 1961 NFL title

Posted Feb 15, 2018

BY: Cliff Christl Packers team historian

" ...Ben Agajanian appeared in only three regular-season games for the Green Bay Packers beside kicking off in the 1961 NFL Championship Game, but Vince Lombardi wanted him badly enough that he circumvented league rules and broke with team tradition to lure him to Green Bay. ..."

For the remainder of this historic story please click on the LINK above.

[woodbuck27]

Apologies to all, did not mean to set Woodie off like that.

That's my bag. To be the detective 'the analyst' and break it all down to get the correct response.

:pack: That's why I excell...Life is a mystery and I'm thorough. :pack:

I challenge you...try to keep up with 'The Canuck'. Hahaha

[KYPack]

Well, good job by Hoosier and Woody to sniff out the mystery man. There are some extra bits of EXTREME trivia in that crazy season of 1961.

Ben Agajanian's first game for the Pack as an emergency kicker was November 19 game in GB vs Ben's hometown team, the LA Rams. Hornung was unavailable due to military commitments, back-up kicker Jerry Kramer had a bum ankle. Ben's foot is susceptible to freezing. So he took the field with a funky pair of Red and Grey electric hunting socks. Ben knew most of the Ram coached, so both teams waved the "out of uniform" NFL rule.

I was real impressed with that "Agajanian autograph", personalized, no less.

After this game, The Dallas Texans needed him for a late season game and he kicked for them. Then he kicked for the Pack again vs the Rams and in the NFL Championship game. Hornung kicked the field goals in the NFL champ game Ben just kicked off, but got the winner's check.

Hornung almost didn't get to play in the NFL Championship game. An Army captain at Ft Riley KS "pulled rank" on the Horn and wouldn't issue a weekend pass for the Golden Boy. Horn called Lombardi and filled him in. Vince told Paul to relax. In an hour of so, Paul got the Weekend pass approved. Lombardi had JFK's personal phone number in his pocket. So a junior officer in Kansas got the call of his life from the President and all he got to say was "YESSIR, right away Sir".

Sorry to jack this thread, but U boys are wasting your breath, you'll never explain the cap to Tank and he'll never understand it anyway.

[woodbuck27]

Well, good job by Hoosier and Woody to sniff out the mystery man. There are some extra bits of EXTREME trivia in that crazy season of 1961.

Ben Agajanian's first game for the Pack as an emergency kicker was November 19 game in GB vs Ben's hometown team, the LA Rams. Hornung was unavailable due to military commitments, back-up kicker Jerry Kramer had a bum ankle. Ben's foot is susceptible to freezing. So he took the field with a funky pair of Red and Grey electric hunting socks. Ben knew most of the Ram coached, so both teams waved the "out of uniform" NFL rule.

I was real impressed with that "Agajanian autograph", personalized, no less.

After this game, The Dallas Texans needed him for a late season game and he kicked for them. Then he kicked for the Pack again vs the Rams and in the NFL Championship game. Hornung kicked the field goals in the NFL champ game Ben just kicked off, but got the winner's check.

Hornung almost didn't get to play in the NFL Championship game. An Army captain at Ft Riley KS "pulled rank" on the Horn and wouldn't issue a weekend pass for the Golden Boy. Horn called Lombardi and filled him in. Vince told Paul to relax. In an hour of so, Paul got the Weekend pass approved. Lombardi had JFK's personal phone number in his pocket. So a junior officer in Kansas got the call of his life from the President and all he got to say was "YESSIR, right away Sir".

Sorry to jack this thread, but U boys are wasting your breath, you'll never explain the cap to Tank and he'll never understand it anyway.

Thanks for another Classic KYPack Post.

If Hoosier hadn't seen this thread and your query I would have pulled my best 'Harry Bosch' act and nailed it.

Right off there were three things I saw:

1. The three other Packers and when did all three play together?

2. The Mystery man was dark skinned complected but not BLACK. There weren't many Blacks on the early 1960's Packers.

3. The Mystery Man was wearing a helmet with 'no Face Guard ' attached. (Kicker !?)

4. They weren't celebrating a huge first down ! This had to be after a huge game (so maybe? a Championship) but wasn't going to help given who the Packers were in the 1960's .. this was the 1960's Green Bay Packers when I cut my teeth as a Packer fan. This was a Team with one of the Greatest Defences All Time and with a whack of future NFL HOFers. :pack:

Posters here at Packerrats today wonder about my positions today and this is the key to understanding my expectations. :idea:

Posters may actually wonder if 'in fact' I'm actually a Green Bay Packer fan!? I can assure anyone here I am. I'm simply very concerned about the Nob Heads that I deem the Packer BRASS blowing it again and another HOFer QB after Favre we have Aaron Rodgers and I see 'the same Ole same Ole - frozen nuts' attitude, to doing what it takes to win another Lombardi. Jaysus I bet someone has to put Mike McCarthy's hat 'on his head', after he finds it.

That man is useless as 'tit's on a bull'. My Grandfather might say " he couldn't blow powder in Hell". I'm not a Mike McCarthy fan. It doesn't matter what we doing this Off Season as long as the Packers have MM as the HC.

5. I started looking at the 1960-62 Packer Rosters. I looked at Packer Team photo's and blew them up to 500% and zippo natta...it wasn't happening. The Mystery Man became 'a Real Mystery' and simply a better challenge for me. I was loving it. Grab a beer.

6. I began to drink ! One - two - three Canadian beers. Equivalent to a case of your 'water beer' Yahoo ! :glug:

What was I missing? I'm a determined MFer. :duel:

Here is the real deal. Your Post started off an interesting journey for me KYPack and an enlightening story of significant Green Bay Packer History became the result.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Cap Hell: When you clear cap space by cutting players even with dead money in order to afford the other dead money on you cap.

Here’s how much the Cowboys are paying people in 2018 who aren’t even playing for them anymore:

Tony Romo: $8.9M
Dez Bryant: $8M
Cedric Thornton: $2.5M
Nolan Carroll: $2M
Benson Mayowa: $1.1M

Total = $22.5M

That's an erroneous definition of cap hell. "Dead money" is just an accounting item. Dead money doesn't cost the pig owner anymore money than what he has already paid a player. Jones doesn't owe Romo $8.9 M. Cooking the cap makes dead money irrelevant.

The true definition of cap hell: Hellish hole where a team has NO choice but to waive players after players with titanic salaries for rookies and cheaply-paid vets of NFL wars for multiple seasons.

The Cowboys didn't have to cut Dez and Romo. Cowboys opted to cut the two of them b/c the pig owner didn't want them eating away some of his profits.

Furthermore, cap hell certainly ain't being $10 M over the new cap 2 days before the new league year, cutting Wahle and Sharper to get to $7 M below on the new league year, hibernating in a closet the rest of the season, and somehow being at $30 M below at the start of the very next league year.

[KYPack]

That's an erroneous definition of cap hell. "Dead money" is just an accounting item. Dead money doesn't cost the pig owner anymore money than what he has already paid a player. Jones doesn't owe Romo $8.9 M. Cooking the cap makes dead money irrelevant.

The true definition of cap hell: Hellish hole where a team has NO choice but to waive players after players with titanic salaries for rookies and cheaply-paid vets of NFL wars for multiple seasons.

The Cowboys didn't have to cut Dez and Romo. Cowboys opted to cut the two of them b/c the pig owner didn't want them eating away some of his profits.

Furthermore, cap hell certainly ain't being $10 M over the new cap 2 days before the new league year, cutting Wahle and Sharper to get to $7 M below on the new league year, hibernating in a closet the rest of the season, and somehow being at $30 M below at the start of the very next league year.


Don't bother trying to smarten up a chump.

Been years and he's still fooled.

[pbmax]

That's an erroneous definition of cap hell. "Dead money" is just an accounting item. Dead money doesn't cost the pig owner anymore money than what he has already paid a player. Jones doesn't owe Romo $8.9 M. Cooking the cap makes dead money irrelevant.

The true definition of cap hell: Hellish hole where a team has NO choice but to waive players after players with titanic salaries for rookies and cheaply-paid vets of NFL wars for multiple seasons.

The Cowboys didn't have to cut Dez and Romo. Cowboys opted to cut the two of them b/c the pig owner didn't want them eating away some of his profits.

Furthermore, cap hell certainly ain't being $10 M over the new cap 2 days before the new league year, cutting Wahle and Sharper to get to $7 M below on the new league year, hibernating in a closet the rest of the season, and somehow being at $30 M below at the start of the very next league year.

That's how you avoid cap hell.

Cowboys are in deep. Fourth or fifth circle of hell or thereabouts. The only thing saving them right now is cheap rookies on offense.

[mraynrand]

Don't bother trying to smarten up a chump.

Been years and he's still fooled.

he's jus poking the bear

[Cleft Crusty]

Well, good job by Hoosier and Woody to sniff out the mystery man. There are some extra bits of EXTREME trivia in that crazy season of 1961.

Ben Agajanian's first game for the Pack as an emergency kicker was November 19 game in GB vs Ben's hometown team, the LA Rams. Hornung was unavailable due to military commitments, back-up kicker Jerry Kramer had a bum ankle. Ben's foot is susceptible to freezing. So he took the field with a funky pair of Red and Grey electric hunting socks. Ben knew most of the Ram coached, so both teams waved the "out of uniform" NFL rule.

I was real impressed with that "Agajanian autograph", personalized, no less.

After this game, The Dallas Texans needed him for a late season game and he kicked for them. Then he kicked for the Pack again vs the Rams and in the NFL Championship game. Hornung kicked the field goals in the NFL champ game Ben just kicked off, but got the winner's check.

Hornung almost didn't get to play in the NFL Championship game. An Army captain at Ft Riley KS "pulled rank" on the Horn and wouldn't issue a weekend pass for the Golden Boy. Horn called Lombardi and filled him in. Vince told Paul to relax. In an hour of so, Paul got the Weekend pass approved. Lombardi had JFK's personal phone number in his pocket. So a junior officer in Kansas got the call of his life from the President and all he got to say was "YESSIR, right away Sir".

Sorry to jack this thread, but U boys are wasting your breath, you'll never explain the cap to Tank and he'll never understand it anyway.

That's pretty good, KY. But some sources disagree with a couple of details. Paul Hornung tells it: "I go back and pack and Kennedy calls Fort Riley and asks to speak to the camp commander, who is not there, so he finally gets the company commander. And he says 'This is President Kennedy and I'm calling on behalf of Paul Hornung' and the guy says, 'Yeah and I'm Donald Duck.' But he got me out. A Major came down and told me I could leave." (From When Pride Still Mattered, p.290).

Great story and I like your version just as much...

[KYPack]

Well thanks Cleft, that's a compliment coming from a broke, red, ruff and sore sportswriter.

There's another tale from that wacky season which found Lombardi scrambling to field his full team due to military commitments.

The Pack played the 49ers in the second to last game. Once again, they didn't know if Paul could get a weekend pass to play ball. That Saturday, no Hornung. He misses the walk thru, lunch AND dinner. EVerybody is worried, but late that night the rumor spreads that he's with the team. At breakfast, there's the Golden boy, greeting everybody and telling jokes.

After a bit, Paul gets up and makes a short speech, "Boys, I had two goals in coming out to San Francisco. I took care of the first one last night. Now let's take care of the second one & beat the 49ers.

Everybody (including Vince) laughed and the club was right. Nice and loose and they had their star back.

So the team took Paul's pep talk to heart

They went out and played a raggedy and sloppy game and lost 22-21.

OK, end of thread jack.

Now back to your regularly scheduled thread "trying to explain the cap to a chump".

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Offensive line was 'crown jewel' of Lombardi Packers

Posted May 18, 2017

Cliff Christl Packers team historian

Packers Back Up QB QB John Roach: " Lombardi was part preacher, part professor, part wild man. "

On the Packers’ offensive line:

“The best. That was the crown jewel of our team, the offensive line. Forrest (Gregg) was the best (right) tackle in the game. Jerry Kramer was the best right guard in the game. (Jim) Ringo was the best center. Ron Kramer was one of the best – (Mike) Ditka being the other – tight ends. Fuzzy (Thurston) was a good left guard, but he wasn’t as good as these other guys. (Bob) Skoronski also was a good one. (Norm) Masters was good, but I think Skoronski was better. Bigger. Jerry Kramer, Forrest Gregg and Ringo made all-pro almost every year.”


On starting quarterback Bart Starr:

“When I got there, I had some good friends on the team. They came out to pick me up at the airport and openly indicated to me that I had an excellent shot at being the starting quarterback. I had had a pretty good year in 1960. We started playing exhibition games and (Starr) played great. I said to one of the people who told me that, ‘Hell, I can’t beat this guy out. This guy is plenty good.’ The guy says, ‘Well, he hasn’t played that way (in the past). This is the first year he’s played like that.’ (Starr) just didn’t make mistakes. He wasn’t a dominating player, but, to me, that was good for the team. The team was so strong they didn’t need a dominating quarterback. They just needed him to float that pass game into the running game. We had such a good running game. And Bart ran that to perfection. When they did need him, he could step up and deliver. But most of the time he just let the offensive line dominate the game.”

On Bart Starr’s work ethic and game preparation:

“He told me or somebody told me he used to watch Johnny Unitas films – for mechanical purposes, to copy him. The way Johnny delivered the ball was kind of the classic way. I think it gave Bart a lot of confidence watching films. He took the game seriously. He deserved his notoriety. He earned his success. He wasn’t just born with ability. He worked at it.”

On fullback Jim Taylor:

“He was ahead of his time. He lifted weights and trained and was in superb condition. When he broke into the secondary, he’d run right at the safety. He tried to run over him, not evade him. He was a tough, hard-nosed, true fullback.”

On whether Hornung was the key to Lombardi’s early championship teams: “He and Lombardi had a special spark that they gave that team. The team was good. Solid defense. Solid offense. Best line in the business. But that extra spark came from Lombardi mainly, but Hornung, too.”


On whether Paul Hornung was the key to Lombardi’s early championship teams:

“He and Lombardi had a special spark that they gave that team. The team was good. Solid defense. Solid offense. Best line in the business. But that extra spark came from Lombardi mainly, but Hornung, too.”

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