2018 Packers First Round Pick Jaire Alexander

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Packer Report @PackerReport
This was who they targeted all along. Team captain, competitor, twitchy, really good ball skills. Inside and outside. Punt returner. Jon Eric Sullivan says from the podium.

Jason Wilde @jasonjwilde
#Packers get Louisville CB Jaire Alexander at No. 18. He's 5-10 1/4, 192 pounds. Ran a 4.38-second 40-yard dash at the Combine. Get help at their most glaring position of need. Maybe #Gutey knows what he's doing.

[call_me_ishmael]

Don't know anything about him, but the thing that jumps out is the height after 6'3" Kevin King :-D

[bobblehead]

I like the pick. He can learn a year behind Herb Waters.

[RashanGary]

I just watched some highlights.... and I know it’s highlights, but mother fucker looks hyper alert and aware of what’s going on. He looks smart and aggressive!

Just at a glance, I like the pick a lot.

[pbmax]

Sam Shields was 5' 10.75". Alexander is half inch shorter.

[Joemailman]

Don't know anything about him, but the thing that jumps out is the height after 6'3" Kevin King :-D
I've read that.s the way Pettine likes it. One big corner and one smaller speed guy.

[RashanGary]

He has long arms too. I’m gonna think of him as 5’11” because of that. And that’s just tall enough.

[Deputy Nutz]

I've read that.s the way Pettine likes it. One big corner and one smaller speed guy.

Interesting

[pbmax]

Packer Report @PackerReport
This was who they targeted all along. Team captain, competitor, twitchy, really good ball skills. Inside and outside. Punt returner. Jon Eric Sullivan says from the podium.

Packer Report @PackerReport
He can play in the slot, Sullivan says. "Absolutely" a playmaker.

Packer Report @PackerReport
Sullivan: "The kid can run. Has makeup to be a high-caliber player. Tough, voted team captain.

Packer Report @PackerReport
Sullivan feels good about cornerback group. King looks good after shoulder surgery. Williams is a leader. Ditto House. Alexander will have to compete.

Packer Report @PackerReport
Alexander says he had no contact with Packers predraft.

Packer Report @PackerReport
Alexander mentions the secondary tradition, mentions Collins and Woodson.

Packer Report @PackerReport
70 percent at corner, 30 percent in the slot, he says of his playing time at Louisville.

Packer Report @PackerReport
Says he gave up only five completions last season. That's five catches in six games, if you're doing the math.

Packer Report @PackerReport
"I was pretty shocked," Alexander said when his phone rang. But also aware that GB had traded up and thought the might be picked.

[pbmax]

So given the secondary guys they brought into GB and the fact that they did not bring in Jaire, seems like Gutey is stealth like Ted to some degree.

[RashanGary]

So given the secondary guys they brought into GB and the fact that they did not bring in Jaire, seems like Gutey is stealth like Ted to some degree.

Ted showed nothing. Gutey uses misdirection. I like it.

[pbmax]

Ted showed nothing. Gutey uses misdirection. I like it.

There were always hints. But you had to dig or follow him around the Senior Bowl.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Desperately needed pick.

House & Travon Williams might be over the hill. Need some juice back there.

[RashanGary]

Fuck it. New defense. Everyone starting from scratch. I hope we start king and alexander on day 1.

[Deputy Nutz]

I am sure both of them will get 75% of all the snaps unless injury occurs

[RashanGary]

Alexander looks like a natural. He’s dialed in. Knows whats going on. Aggressive. Confident. Just plays with that eye of the tiger. I like him.

[RashanGary]

Brice
Alexander
King

Secondary looking fast again for the first time in a while. And i know this sounds crazy, but i think brice is an upgrade to burnett. Hes fast and downhill.

[Carolina_Packer]

Brice
Alexander
King

Secondary looking fast again for the first time in a while. And i know this sounds crazy, but i think brice is an upgrade to burnett. Hes fast and downhill.

Better down than over.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Brice
Alexander
King

Secondary looking fast again for the first time in a while. And i know this sounds crazy, but i think brice is an upgrade to burnett. Hes fast and downhill.

I'm high on both Brice and Jones. Evans has looked good at times also. There are some athletic dudes in the secondary now. Is this the end of Quentin Rollins?

CB Kevin King - 6'3" 200, 4.43 40, 3.89 shuttle, 6.56 3-cone
CB Jaire Alexander - 5'10" 196, 4.38 40, 3.98 shuttle, 6.71 3-cone
S Josh Jones - 6'1" 220, 4.41 40, 37 1/2" vertical, 11' broad jump
S Kentrell Brice - 5'11" 200, 4.44 40, 42" vertical, 11'1" broad jump
S Marwin Evans - 5'11" 211, 4.47 40, 42" vertical, 10'1" broad jump

[bobblehead]

I'm high on both Brice and Jones. Evans has looked good at times also. There are some athletic dudes in the secondary now. Is this the end of Quentin Rollins?

CB Kevin King - 6'3" 200, 4.43 40, 3.89 shuttle, 6.56 3-cone
CB Jaire Alexander - 5'10" 196, 4.38 40, 3.98 shuttle, 6.71 3-cone
S Josh Jones - 6'1" 220, 4.41 40, 37 1/2" vertical, 11' broad jump
S Kentrell Brice - 5'11" 200, 4.44 40, 42" vertical, 11'1" broad jump
S Marwin Evans - 5'11" 211, 4.47 40, 42" vertical, 10'1" broad jump

That kind of shows you how freaky athletic King is for a guy his size.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Finally, a DB with some fashion sense.



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[Tony Oday]

Looks like a goon and absolutely hate bow ties more than the Vikings but pick 6 Cousins one time and I will be a fan for life.

[mraynrand]

The leopard slippers with neutral hose/no socks is really over the top - that's almost full Hugh Hefner. If he had rocked the tux bathrobe it would have been epic.

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Tanier:

18. Green Bay Packers (via Seattle): Jaire Alexander, CB, Louisville

Strengths: Speed, instincts, return value.

Weaknesses: Physicality.

Meet the new Packers!

Head coach Mike McCarthy and his Pamphlet O' Plays aren't new. There's a new offensive coordinator, but he's actually old offensive coordinator Joe Philbin.

But Ted Thompson is no longer GM! Except…he's still involved in the organization, guarding the Jedi Texts on some island in Lake Michigan or something. And the front office is run by his disciples; the ones who didn't flee to Cleveland during the power struggle, anyway.

Aaron Rodgers is still around, too, which is good news! Except he is getting a little impatient about earning some of that sweet, sweet Kirk Cousins cash. And he's still expected to take on the whole NFL with a laser sword, or something.

Wow, the new Packers are a little like the new Star Wars films: mostly predictable but unpredictable in ways that don't necessarily make them better. Maybe this draft will chart a new course for the organization. Or maybe it's just gonna keep flying until Rodgers runs out of fuel.

Case in point: The new Packers just traded up to fill a need. They ranked last in the NFL at covering No. 1 wide receivers in 2017, according to Football Outsiders. But they selected an undersized cornerback with some injury concerns.

Jaire Alexander missed a chunk of last season with a sprained knee. Opponents wouldn't go near his receivers when he was available—he allowed just five completions, according to Sports Info Solutions—and he burned a 4.38-second 40 at the combine.

Alexander was not nearly as effective in 2016, with six touchdowns allowed, most of them in the red zone. He's not a bump-and-run enforcer or mauling tackler. But mix speed, experience returning punts and good eyes in zone coverage, and the Packers are at least getting a player who can play several roles right away.

Grade: B

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2772466-nfl-draft-2018-round-1-grades-for-every-pick

[woodbuck27]

Finally, a DB with some fashion sense.



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https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0187/2886/products/l-uomo-vogue-july-august-1997_large.jpeg?v=1353133517

L'Uomo, It's been such a long time coming.

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Packer Report @PackerReport
Gutekunst said the Packers did talk to Alexander on several occasions. Figures they all blurred together for Alexander, who said he hadn't talked to GB.

[red]

Sounds like packer people

Missed 5 games last year with 2 different knee injuries then missed a couple more with a broken hand last season

Small guys who get injured a lot are kinda scary

[pbmax]

Sounds like packer people

Missed 5 games last year with 2 different knee injuries then missed a couple more with a broken hand last season

Small guys who get injured a lot are kinda scary

Yep. And he gave up 5 TDs the year before. He's not big on press or redirect on the LOS.

[pbmax]

Gutenkust

Packer Report @PackerReport
Call to Seattle was one of Gutekunst's first calls after trading back to 27.

Packer Report @PackerReport
Gutekunst said the Packers did talk to Alexander on several occasions. Figures they all blurred together for Alexander, who said he hadn't talked to GB.

Packer Report @PackerReport
Getting first-round pick in 2019 was in best interests of team; was confident they could move back up.

Packer Report @PackerReport
Packers have one pick on Friday and 10 on Saturday; he assumes there will be more moving around the board.

Packer Report @PackerReport
Offer from Saints for first-round pick was too good to pass up, even with James and Edmunds (who had visited) on the board.

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Alexander

Packer Report @PackerReport
"I was pretty shocked," Alexander said when his phone rang. But also aware that GB had traded up and thought the might be picked.

Packer Report @PackerReport
Says he gave up only five completions last season. That's five catches in six games, if you're doing the math.

Packer Report @PackerReport
70 percent at corner, 30 percent in the slot, he says of his playing time at Louisville.

Packer Report @PackerReport
Alexander mentions the secondary tradition, mentions Collins and Woodson.

Packer Report @PackerReport
Alexander says he had no contact with Packers predraft.

[pbmax]

Alexander, getting setup for interviews after being drafted, learns teammate Lamar Jackson was drafted.

https://twitter.com/thecheckdown/status/989723805139390465

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Matt Bowen @MattBowen41
Matt Bowen Retweeted Steve Ross
Alexander can improve his technique. And that comes with reps. But I really like his coverage ability. Press-man. 4.3 speed. Competes, too. Good fit for Pettine’s defense in Green Bay.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Finally, a DB with some fashion sense.



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29 years ago, the Packers took the Manchurian Candidate over the fashionable Neon Deion.

https://media.gq.com/photos/5583668d3655c24c6c96685d/master/w_800/style-blogs-the-gq-eye-Deion-Sanders-Morning-Shot-600-.jpg

[bobblehead]

I like the pick. He can learn a year behind Herb Waters.

After reflecting for a night, I hate the pick. Taking Derwin James right where we were at 14 was the move I wanted. I think we may live to regret it. I hope I'm wrong.

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Charles Woodson @CharlesWoodson
Congrats @JaireAlexander you’ll love working with coach Whitt #begreat

[pbmax]

After reflecting for a night, I hate the pick. Taking Derwin James right where we were at 14 was the move I wanted. I think we may live to regret it. I hope I'm wrong.

Beat guys are all guessing that the Pack had Edmunds, Ward, Alexander and James all with Round 1 grades at positions of need.

Its possible all of us are getting our Edmunds confused, but I think one of them is a DB.

Anyway, I think its more likely they wanted coverage rather than a strong safety. They have Jones and even if James is a better talent, they needed coverage both outside and inside and Alexander fits that bill better than James.

I would love to hear if those short shuttle and 3cone times scared anyone though (off James).

[Deputy Nutz]

I don't totally disagree. Derwin James looks the part. If you could draw up a prototypical safety I think James would have been it. He did last longer than I thought he would so I am not sure if that stupid 3 cone and shuttle scared other teams away.

[Deputy Nutz]

James can cover the slot, but he doesn't have Alexander's skill in coverage, but when Dix and Jones whiff on tackles or can't keep ball carriers in front of them you know the Packers done fucked up

[pbmax]

I don't totally disagree. Derwin James looks the part. If you could draw up a prototypical safety I think James would have been it. He did last longer than I thought he would so I am not sure if that stupid 3 cone and shuttle scared other teams away.

the other goofy thing is, he didn't run them at the Combine. Was her perhaps hurt? Bad ankle during workouts or something and they were waiting for it to heal?

Or did he know his numbers in those were bad and was working on making them better.

[Deputy Nutz]

Good question. I don't think the film lies though. He gets to where he needs to be. James just kind of glides to where he is supposed to be with very little effort. He has really good vision and anticipation.

[mraynrand]

.....


ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS Outstanding size-speed ratio and athletic ability. Fluid movement skills -- makes it look easy flipping his hips and reacting to the thrown ball. Very good transitional quickness and recovery speed. Superb feet and agility to pop out of his breaks and close on the ball -- explosively quick. Natural interceptor with very good hand-eye coordination, leaping ability and overall ball skills. Very good vision and traffic burst as a returner

WEAKNESSES Is a bit soft-tempered -- not as aggressive or physical in run support as you would expect for his size. Can do a better job shedding blockers. Too often lets teammates arrive first at the scene. Spent time in the doghouse as a young player. Has some growing up to do -- maintains a lockdown corner's ego, at times coasts on his natural talent and is not immune to mental errors.

[mraynrand]

Beat guys are all guessing that the Pack had Edmunds, Ward, Alexander and James all with Round 1 grades at positions of need.

Its possible all of us are getting our Edmunds confused, but I think one of them is a DB.

Wait, you don't know? Pittsburgh took the DB and the Bills took Tremaine, the 19 year old beast of a LB at #16... The LB is the guy the Packers could have taken. It's tempting. That kid could just be awesome.

[Pugger]

Finally, a DB with some fashion sense.



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Maybe its because I am a woman but those shoes don't match his outfit. :lol::wink:

[HarveyWallbangers]

I would love to hear if those short shuttle and 3cone times scared anyone though (off James).

It had to. One of the stranger results at Pro Days that I can remember. Since Thompson took over, the Packers have only drafted one safety with a worse shuttle (Jerron McMillian) and have never drafted a safety with a worse 3-cone. To put it in perspective, Ha Ha Clinton-Dix (who was on the lower end of measurables amongst the safeties the Packers have drafted) had 4.16 shuttle and 7.16 3-cone. James tested at 4.34 shuttle and 7.34 3-cone, and it was at his Pro Day instead of the Combine. Pro Days results are generally better than Combine results - which is why teams don't always trust the Pro Day results. I agree with Nutz though, James was draftable at #14 or #18 because of his tape. I'm good with how it worked out.

[run pMc]

I think they are hoping he's Sam Shields II.

I'm ok with the pick, but yeah, with some of the others on the board (Edmunds, James, Davenport) there's room for second guessing and I'm sure people will be doing the "Watt vs. King" thing again with these picks.

[red]

I didn’t think there was any chance we were gonna draft a safety in the 1st. We only let Burnett walk because the staff like what the have in Jones. If they had doubts about jones, I think they would have kept burnett and not risk a safety not being there in the draft

[Deputy Nutz]

Maybe its because I am a woman but those shoes don't match his outfit. :lol::wink:

Those shoes match any outfit!

[pbmax]

Those shoes match any outfit!

Agreed! I think they match his bow tie though.

[pbmax]

I think they are hoping he's Sam Shields II.

I'm ok with the pick, but yeah, with some of the others on the board (Edmunds, James, Davenport) there's room for second guessing and I'm sure people will be doing the "Watt vs. King" thing again with these picks.

Yep.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Re: James, as a wise man said in some other thread, despite his potentials, James remains a coin flip to make it in the big league. Just ask Mike Huff. Why waste a high pick on a coin flip when a proven saftey is hard-knocking on the streets of Baltimore?

https://clesportstalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/reid.jpg

[mraynrand]

I didn’t think there was any chance we were gonna draft a safety in the 1st. We only let Burnett walk because the staff like what the have in Jones. If they had doubts about jones, I think they would have kept burnett and not risk a safety not being there in the draft

Jones and the depth - no doubt about it.

[Willard]

Finally, a DB with some fashion sense.



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Ditch the bow tie; rock the ascot....Chuck style!

[pbmax]

Sure, now I find it:

STRENGTHS
Possesses a compact, athletic frame with good overall muscle distribution. Alexander's best attribute is his light feet and fluid hip turn, which helps shadow receivers all over the field. He varies his drop, alternating between a standard back-pedal and side-step when playing tight, complementing his flashy footwork with a surprisingly powerful punch to jam receivers at the line of scrimmage. He shows very good route anticipation, cutting as receivers make their breaks and leaving little room for quarterbacks to throw the ball. Alexander shows good instincts and isn't afraid to take chances in coverage, reading the eyes of the quarterback and dropping his primary receiver to undercut others as the ball is thrown. He shows good ball-skills, extending outside of his frame and plucking the ball out of the air and delivering a late rip at the ball as receivers are attempting to secure it. A dynamic athlete, Alexander is a threat to score any time he has the ball in his hands, showing lightning acceleration, elusiveness and vision to set up blocks with punt return experience. While obviously lacking ideal size, Alexander does not lack for aggression against bigger receivers and as a tackler, taking on would-be blockers aggressively and lowering his shoulder into the knees of ball-carriers for very effective and often quite physical take-downs. -- Rob Rang 12/22/2017

WEAKNESSES
Limited to just six games in 2017 after sustaining a knee injury in the season-opener against Purdue and breaking his hand in practice later in the year, injuries which each require a close examination by team doctors at the Combine. Comes with obvious size limitations with bigger receivers simply able to out-leap him because of their height advantage (Florida State, 2016). Too aggressive for his own good, biting on pump fakes and double-moves and leaving himself scrambling to recover. Occasionally misses tackles with his trademark lunges at the knees (see LSU, 2016). -- Rob Rang 12/22/2017

COMPARES TO: Jason Verrett, Chargers. When healthy, Verrett has lived up to his first-round draft selection (No. 24 overall in 2014), earning a trip to the Pro Bowl in 2015, showing off the quick feet and tenacity to handle coverage duties despite measuring in at just 5-10, 188 pounds. Unfortunately, Verrett has struggled with injuries, missing more games than he's played over his four-year career. With a similar frame and aggressive playing style, durability concerns could limit Alexander's stock despite his coverage skills.

IN OUR VIEW: Alexander may lack ideal size but he is feisty as a rat terrier, winning in coverage because of his elite foot quickness, route anticipation and sticky hands and attacking blocks and ball-carriers in run support, projecting as an immediate nickel and punt return candidate with the potential to handle outside duties.

[call_me_ishmael]

Wow, that write up is pretty glowing. I don't know anything about the guy. I trust that the people making the pick know more than I do. He seems a little short but again I defer to the experts.

[yetisnowman]

Short, not a great tackler, coming off injury....what could go wrong? Hope it pans out. But i wasn't crazy with the move. Wanted James or Edmunds. I'll give the Gut credit for being active though.

[smuggler]

James is also coming off an injury of his own and probably has about 50/50 shot of busting based on the instincts required of his position.

[pbmax]

Alexander versus Purdue 2017



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yy7fNWHfFk

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Versus Clemson in 2016



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hmIV5e0EII

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Combine Invite: Yes
Height: 5102
Weight: 196

PD3X AKA "Official"
40 Yard Dash (ET): 4.38

40 Yard Dash (HH): 4.37
20 Yard (ET): 2.55
20 Yard (HH): 2.49
10 Yard (ET): 1.52
10 Yard (HH): 1.53
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 14
Vertical Jump: 35
Broad Jump: 10'07"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 3.98
3-Cone Drill: 6.71

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GBPG: https://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2018/04/25/2018-nfl-draft-green-bay-packers-picks/552404002/

AGE: 21 HT: 5-10 1/4 WT: 196 40-yard dash: 4.38 HOMETOWN: Charlotte, N.C.

LOWDOWN: An instinctive corner with the ability to anticipate routes and the quickness to close on throws and make plays on the ball. His 2017 tape was uneven due to issues with a sprained knee, which could raise concerns over his durability because of his slender build. He played in only six games, starting five. Finished with 19 tackles and one interception. Had seven career interceptions in three seasons along with 15 pass breakups. Had 58 solo tackles and 19 assists. When healthy, he has the potential to become a second cornerback, but teams may view him as a full-time nickel corner who’s able to avoid the rigors of excessive run support. “I probably played 70 percent snaps at corner and 30 percent at nickel,” Alexander said. “I feel like I can play anywhere on the field. I look forward to doing both.” Ran the 40-yard dash in 4.38 seconds at the combine. Had a 35-inch vertical and got 14 reps on the bench press. Also could add value returning punts. “He is going to be a guy who is really going to help us on the field,” said Jon-Eric Sullivan, the Packers’ director of college scouting. “We think he’s versatile. He can run. He’s a 4.3 guy. He’s got really good twitch and lateral agility. We think he can play inside. He is competitive and can tackle you. He can play both inside and outside. He is going to have to come in here and compete like they all do and get in there with the group we have now.” (Draft data via NFL.com)


THE TRADE: The Packers traded the No. 27 pick (first round) and gave up a third (76) and a sixth (186) to move up nine spots to No. 18. They also received No. 248 (seventh round).

QUICK TAKE: It was obvious the Pack wanted corner help when they made an offer for Chicago's Kyle Fuller earlier this off-season, which the Bears matched. Alexander should form a nice young duo with Kevin King, last year's Round 2 pick, though he struggled as a rookie. Injuries limited Alexander in 2017, but he picked off five passes two years ago. His return skills are a bonus. (Nate Davis, USA TODAY)

PRE-DRAFT ANALYSIS: Something of a forgotten man in 2017 after missing about half the season with knee and hand injuries, he put himself squarely back into the conversation of the draft's top corners with a 4.38-second 40-yard dash at the combine and a smooth run in position drills. Alexander has the tools to thrive on the outside, but he might make a living in the slot given his penchant for shutting down underneath passes. (Michael Middlehurst-Schwartz, USA TODAY)

[Brandon494]

Love the pick, some had him ranked as the best CB in the draft and to also gain a 2019 1st for only moving back 4 spots is an A+ all day.

[mraynrand]

Love the pick, some had him ranked as the best CB in the draft and to also gain a 2019 1st for only moving back 4 spots is an A+ all day.

Brandon bringing the optimism throughout the website! The anti-woodbuck! Good to see you around...

[Fritz]

This is no time to be positive. Come on, people. Stay on task!

[pbmax]

Wait, you don't know? Pittsburgh took the DB and the Bills took Tremaine, the 19 year old beast of a LB at #16... The LB is the guy the Packers could have taken. It's tempting. That kid could just be awesome.

I was getting them confused all night. I knew the higher rated guy was the LB, but I didn't know his first name, so if the name popped up alone I could not have told you which was which.

[pbmax]

This is no time to be positive. Come on, people. Stay on task!

What happened to pass rush?!

[pbmax]

H/t Brandon


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DbwS1EbX0AAU7Af?format=jpg

[Pugger]

H/t Brandon


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DbwS1EbX0AAU7Af?format=jpg

Nice to see our 2 new CBs here.

[Brandon494]

I must be slow, I couldn’t get the pictures to load...nice job pbmax.

[mraynrand]

What happened to pass rush?!

The German Shepherd doesn't fill holes! Happy with mediocrity!

[Patler]

He seems to be a hard worker, if this article means anything;

https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2018/05/03/jaire-alexander-packers/577439002/

How can he possibly fail? Tutored for two years by Terrell Buckley as both a cornerback and punt returner.


Naturally, Alexander wanted to continue fielding punts at Louisville, but freshmen rarely are exposed to such unforgiving pressure. Alexander was among 10 candidates vying for the job in his first season, but cornerbacks coach Terrell Buckley – who doubled instructing punt returners – said their choice was easy.

Lots of quotes and comments from Buckley in this article.

[pbmax]

He seems to be a hard worker, if this article means anything;

https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2018/05/03/jaire-alexander-packers/577439002/

How can he possibly fail? Tutored for two years by Terrell Buckley as both a cornerback and punt returner.



Lots of quotes and comments from Buckley in this article.

He poured Jimmy Johnson and Dave Wannstedt's wisdom into his young head.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Buckley ended up having a pretty solid career after leaving the Packers. I think he finished with around 50 career interceptions.

[mraynrand]

Buckley ended up having a pretty solid career after leaving the Packers. I think he finished with around 50 career interceptions.

got a ring too

[Fritz]

His nickname will soon be "Oft-Injured" Jaire Alexander.

Talented but fragile, methinks. Dr. Fritz, on call.

[Patler]

Buckley ended up having a pretty solid career after leaving the Packers. I think he finished with around 50 career interceptions.

50 on the nose. 35th most all-time. Not bad at all. Only player in NFL history to have 50 interceptions and no Pro Bowl appearances.
Buckley was a better player than many Packer fans want to think.

[The Shadow]

I liked this draft. If we can just get the secondary to 'average' status, it will be a major step forward.

[Joemailman]

Interesting article about Alexander's ball skills. https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2018/05/07/the-background-of-jaire-alexanders-incredible-ball-skills/


“I wanted to make him a receiver when we got him, brought him here,” Petrino told Mike Mayock of NFL Network in March. “He decided he wanted to play corner, so we put him there first, and he started ever since.”

As a senior in high school, Alexander caught 68 passes for 1,123 yards and 18 touchdowns. He actually enrolled early at Louisville and spent his first few weeks at receiver. When a need popped up at cornerback, he made the switch.

[pbmax]

Alexander graduated from Louisville today.

[Fritz]

With a degree in cornerbacking.

[Joemailman]

With a degree in cornerbacking.
Criminal justice.
He's going to jail yout ass.

[woodbuck27]

I was getting them confused all night. I knew the higher rated guy was the LB, but I didn't know his first name, so if the name popped up alone I could not have told you which was which.

This ** Young MAN was the LBer we needed and the Packers flat out blew it for a give a half inch 5-10 1/2 Inch 192 lb 'hot Dog' injury prone CB

I still cannot believe the stupidity of it and 'big deal' and getting a second Draft Pick in 2019 that in all likelihood will be from a Playoff bound Team, The New Orleans Saints this Season.

This Super Prospect; this MAN should be wearing the Green and Gold.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYILvuqiBcs

They had ** LBer Tremaine Edmunds ** with his Super Star Status and very high >7.10 GRADE in their grasp and flat out blew it !

Just really really dumb. :whaa:

[K-town]

Signed.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000932931/article/packers-sign-2018-firstround-pick-jaire-alexander

[Fritz]

This ** Young MAN was the LBer we needed and the Packers flat out blew it for a give a half inch 5-10 1/2 Inch 192 lb 'hot Dog' injury prone CB

I still cannot believe the stupidity of it and 'big deal' and getting a second Draft Pick in 2019 that in all likelihood will be from a Playoff bound Team, The New Orleans Saints this Season.

This Super Prospect; this MAN should be wearing the Green and Gold.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYILvuqiBcs

They had ** LBer Tremaine Edmunds ** with his Super Star Status and very high >7.10 GRADE in their grasp and flat out blew it !

Just really really dumb. :whaa:

It's a scary world that I am agreeing with you so much these days, Woodbov.

[Rutnstrut]

Signed.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000932931/article/packers-sign-2018-firstround-pick-jaire-alexander



Well good. He can't get on the draft flop, injury train until he's officially signed.

[woodbuck27]

Signed.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000932931/article/packers-sign-2018-firstround-pick-jaire-alexander

This early signing comparatively speaking, as opposed to many NO. Draft Picks waiting to or into the Official Training Camp and Exhibition Game schedule is a sign he's ready to go.

[mraynrand]

It's a scary world that I am agreeing with you so much these days, Woodbov.

It's hard to disagree with a > 7.10 Grade!

[Fritz]

Woodbov clmored for that now-Vikes RB Dalvin Cook in the 2nd round last year. I'm gaining some grudging respect for his scouting acumen, though his writing still needs lots of help from Mae.

[ThunderDan]

Woodbov clmored for that now-Vikes RB Dalvin Cook in the 2nd round last year. I'm gaining some grudging respect for his scouting acumen, though his writing still needs lots of help from Mae.

But isn't Cook a bust until he can stay on the field? Any time a Packer player gets hurt and underperforms or goes to IR it was always TT wasted that pick.

[Fritz]

But isn't Cook a bust until he can stay on the field? Any time a Packer player gets hurt and underperforms or goes to IR it was always TT wasted that pick.


How true that is.

[yetisnowman]

But isn't Cook a bust until he can stay on the field? Any time a Packer player gets hurt and underperforms or goes to IR it was always TT wasted that pick.

Ridiculous. If TT had a 2nd Round pick playing at a pro bowl level through his first 4 games and injury ended his rookie season, no one would hate on TT. Now the next year or two of injuries and underperforming as you say, then yes. But comparing TT's wasted picks to Dalvin Cook is silly. I guess Deshaun Watson's a bust too.

[Zool]

Ha, I got called a moron before last draft for saying I loved Cook. Now Woody is a genius?

[Cheesehead Craig]

Ha, I got called a moron before last draft for saying I loved Cook. Now Woody is a genius?

I loved Cook too. I think you were just called a moron for other reasons. ;)

[mraynrand]

Woodbov clmored for that now-Vikes RB Dalvin Cook in the 2nd round last year. I'm gaining some grudging respect for his scouting acumen, though his writing still needs lots of help from Mae.

True enough. He clearly spends a lot of time on this. There was a post of his about 8000 words long somewhere where he made the point that the Packers may have gotten scooped when they moved up in the third looking for Arden Key - taken by the Raiders. Just speculation, but interesting just the same.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Ha, I got called a moron before last draft for saying I loved Cook. Now Woody is a genius?

Prior to the Packers running the table, they were in play for Leonard Fournette. You were like, fuck Fournette, take Cook; who cares that Fournette is a good normal American while Cook abuses bitches, chicks and female dogs alike?

That was moronic, indeed.

[George Cumby]

Prior to the Packers running the table, they were in play for Leonard Fournette. You were like, fuck Fournette, take Cook; who cares that Fournette is a good normal American while Cook abuses bitches, chicks and female dogs alike?

That was moronic, indeed.

Seeing as you are the local SME on morons, we will take your word for it.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Seeing as you are the local SME on morons, we will take your word for it.

Now, like Nutz, my short-term memory ain't as hardy as it was in my glorious youth. Could be CTE - I was a shutdown corner in HS, after all. Could the aftereffect of excessive exposures to aphrodisiacal vids and/or Mary Jane. Could simply be Father Time fucking with me (sometimes in my solitude, I ponder whether it is nobler to die young and robust, or grow gray and impotent). But my long-term memory remains hardy.

Pretty sure Zool was a hater of Fournette and a lover of Cook.

[Zool]

I loved Cook too. I think you were just called a moron for other reasons. ;)

Well that's fair.

[Zool]

Now, like Nutz, my short-term memory ain't as hardy as it was in my glorious youth. Could be CTE - I was a shutdown corner in HS, after all. Could the aftereffect of excessive exposures to aphrodisiacal vids and/or Mary Jane. Could simply be Father Time fucking with me (sometimes in my solitude, I ponder whether it is nobler to die young and robust, or grow gray and impotent). But my long-term memory remains hardy.

Pretty sure Zool was a hater of Fournette and a lover of Cook.

I still think Cook will have a better career. I'll admit I didn't see Fournette doing as well as he did. He's fast as hell for a guy his size.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I still think Cook will have a better career. I'll admit I didn't see Fournette doing as well as he did. He's fast as hell for a guy his size.

Fournette has the size and durability to be a 30-carry/gm back. Small backs like Cook needs to share the rock with other backs, or he'll get pounded into the abyss of oblivion. The math favors Fournette having a better career than Cook, stat-wise.

[Zool]

The math favors Fournette having a better career than Cook, stat-wise.

Based on what?

[pbmax]

^ I dunno. Unless you are James Stewart, the NFL burns out a lotta big backs. Purple Jesus is about as big as you can get and survive. If you are Lacy sized, NFL coaches just run you into walls.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Based on what?

2017.

[Zool]

2017.

Well with that as your backing, who can even argue?

[smuggler]

If the injury is any indication, I'm inclined to agree with APB.

[The Shadow]

^ I dunno. Unless you are James Stewart, the NFL burns out a lotta big backs. Purple Jesus is about as big as you can get and survive. If you are Lacy sized, NFL coaches just run you into walls.

James Stewart always seemed kind tall & thin to me.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

^ I dunno. Unless you are James Stewart, the NFL burns out a lotta big backs. Purple Jesus is about as big as you can get and survive. If you are Lacy sized, NFL coaches just run you into walls.

Some players are simply milksops, regardless of their sizes, but bigger players usually are more equipped to handle poundings than smaller players. That's not to say it woulda been impossible for DuJuan Harris to handle 30 carries a game, 16-19 games a year. Just saying, more often than not, smaller backs are prone to getting pounded into the abyss of oblivion.

Btw, Lacy eats too much - that's the reason he currently is not on an NFL roster.

[pbmax]

James Stewart always seemed kind tall & thin to me.

He's 6' 1" and 224. Always looked pretty big to me. Leonard is 6 even and 228. Lacy is 5' 11" and 250+.

Purple Jesus is the one who looked too tall and thin to me: 6' 1", 220.

[pbmax]

Some players are simply milksops, regardless of their sizes, but bigger players usually are more equipped to handle poundings than smaller players. That's not to say it woulda been impossible for DuJuan Harris to handle 30 carries a game, 16-19 games a year. Just saying, more often than not, smaller backs are prone to getting pounded into the abyss of oblivion.

I don't think that is true except to say its probably better for similar style players to be bigger in general.

Smaller backs don't run the same way bigger backs do. You can't just look at size and project longevity. Ahman Green was 6' even and 217.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Packers have suspended J-Alex for 1 game. Gonna miss the Queens game - with the season on the line.

All because J-Alex went out for the stupid coin toss.

Packers are soft and dumb. Front office definitely embracing the tank.

[Joemailman]

I'm okay with it. He didn't belong out there. Besides, it's not like Valentine and Ballentine can play any worse than he did Sunday.

[bobblehead]

Packers have suspended J-Alex for 1 game. Gonna miss the Queens game - with the season on the line.

All because J-Alex went out for the stupid coin toss.

Packers are soft and dumb. Front office definitely embracing the tank.

Sorry, but yours is the "entitled do what I want" attitude that annoys us old fogeys. Jaire was being a punk. Honestly I'm getting pretty sick of his prima donna attitude. Its barely tolerable when he is playing (well), when he is sitting and sucking it gets you suspended. He almost lost us that game by being a clown. He called the coin right and said "we want to be on defense". If the official didn't cut him slack and clarify, Panthers would have gotten the ball to start both halves. He is a punk and acting like a punk. Honestly, trade him in the offseason if we can score real capital for him.

[Sparkey]

I'm okay with it. He didn't belong out there. Besides, it's not like Valentine and Ballentine can play any worse than he did Sunday.

Valentine only played 5 snaps against Carolina. They will probably play better without Alexander. Seems to free lance too often.

[Joemailman]

Sorry, but yours is the "entitled do what I want" attitude that annoys us old fogeys. Jaire was being a punk. Honestly I'm getting pretty sick of his prima donna attitude. Its barely tolerable when he is playing (well), when he is sitting and sucking it gets you suspended. He almost lost us that game by being a clown. He called the coin right and said "we want to be on defense". If the official didn't cut him slack and clarify, Panthers would have gotten the ball to start both halves. He is a punk and acting like a punk. Honestly, trade him in the offseason if we can score real capital for him.

Yep. Nagler got it right too.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7Iz0wn1PXA

[RashanGary]

Shadow is one of our old timers and brings widsom to the table. But one time he had three draft rules or something of that nature and one of them was to never draft a guy who shows up to the draft with a red suit and polka dot bow tie. At the time Jaire was an all pro corner and top cover guy in the league. Shadow knew. Shadow knew.

[run pMc]

Agree with Nagler. Lots of young players in the locker room, sends a message.

Interesting that Gute did it and not MLF. Imagine if Gute had say over the coaching staff; Barry might have been gone last February.

Jaire's body language after the game when asked about it was interesting. Seemed like he knew he fucked up but was laughing it off. Wasn't a good look, and you have to think it makes him look untrustworthy. You can't have guys like that on the field; if you aren't where you're supposed to be the Baker Mayfields and Bryce Youngs of the league will torch you.

If he wanted to be captain he should have asked MLF before the game.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Sorry, but yours is the "entitled do what I want" attitude that annoys us old fogeys. Jaire was being a punk. Honestly I'm getting pretty sick of his prima donna attitude. It’s barely tolerable when he is playing (well), when he is sitting and sucking it gets you suspended. He almost lost us that game by being a clown. He called the coin right and said "we want to be on defense". If the official didn't cut him slack and clarify, Panthers would have gotten the ball to start both halves. He is a punk and acting like a punk. Honestly, trade him in the offseason if we can score real capital for him.

I bet you were happy the Packers took Mandarich over Neon Deion. Prime was the original “punk/Prima Donna” shutdown corner. Not saying J-Alex is a as great as Prime was, but J-Alex sure as fuck ain’t punk/donna wannabes like Ahmad Carrol and Damarious Randall either. J-Alex is damn good when he’s on.

Suspending your best corner over a stupid coin toss that has no consequences towards the game is stupid as fuck.

[texaspackerbacker]

If he had gone out and played the way he is supposed to play, they maybe overlooked the coin toss thing. I agree, Valentine has played very decent, a lot better than Jaire against the Panthers. Just the same, I still think Jaire has a lot of great football to play in his career. I'd hate to see that be with some other team.

[red]

this had to happen

the guy put himself before the team and shit on his teamates that actually were the captains by decided he needed to be out there too and then made the call

not to mention he fucked it up

100% gotta send a message that this all was bullshit

alexanders ego has gotten way too big, and his play hasn't been backing it up the last couple of years. plus he just milked that injury for as long as he could

[Joemailman]

I think it was a combination of screwing around with the coin flip and then going out and giving up 5 receptions against the worst offense in football. Clearly his head wasn't where it needed to be.

[Fosco33]

I think it was a combination of screwing around with the coin flip and then going out and giving up 5 receptions against the worst offense in football. Clearly his head wasn't where it needed to be.

He’s been ‘injured’ but wanted to perform before his hometown and family/friends.

[red]

when i first heard about this, i thought "wow, lefleur does have a set of balls"

then i found out that lefleur didn't make this decision, gutey had to do it

this ties right back into the barry discussion. matty might not have the stones to do what he needs to do. maybe his players know he's a pussy and thats why we have an obvious discipline problem on the field

[Joemailman]

when i first heard about this, i thought "wow, lefleur does have a set of balls"

then i found out that lefleur didn't make this decision, gutey had to do it

this ties right back into the barry discussion. matty might not have the stones to do what he needs to do. maybe his players know he's a pussy and thats why we have an obvious discipline problem on the field

MLF said it was a joint decision. I don't think it's a coincidence that all the drama is coming from the defensive side. I don't think the players have a problem with MLF. The problem is that they've tuned out Barry. That's what has to get fixed.

[run pMc]

MLF said it was a joint decision. I don't think it's a coincidence that all the drama is coming from the defensive side. I don't think the players have a problem with MLF. The problem is that they've tuned out Barry. That's what has to get fixed.

Yeah I think Barry lost Jaire last season. I suspect he's not the only one.

"joint decision" lol -- yeah, Gute and Murphy probably decided something needed to happen and MLF rolled over and showed his belly.

[Joemailman]

Yeah I think Barry lost Jaire last season. I suspect he's not the only one.

"joint decision" lol -- yeah, Gute and Murphy probably decided something needed to happen and MLF rolled over and showed his belly.

I think it had to be a joint decision. I doubt LaFleur has the power to unilterally suspend a player if he wanted to.

[Bretsky]

If anybody has been paying attention this was no surprise at all. On 12/9 in an interview he publicly stated he he'd have a hard time playing at anything less than 100%.

Then we watch buys like Musgrave play a bit with a severe injury, and we watch Wicks play through obvious pain and injury and gut it out.

[Fritz]

MLF said it was a joint decision. I don't think it's a coincidence that all the drama is coming from the defensive side. I don't think the players have a problem with MLF. The problem is that they've tuned out Barry. That's what has to get fixed.

If it’s this bad - and I’m guessing it is - that’s cause to fire Joe 2 weeks ago. Probably too late now. Unless the Packers beat the Vikes 41 - 38 or 45 - 42 and the Rams and Seahawks lose. Then Matty Flower might figure it’s in the team’s best interest to can Joe Barely so the team can at least trot out a defense that’s not a clown show of incompetence and dunce-ishness.

Who knows? It’s getting crazier and crazier.

[run pMc]

I think Devondre's twitter outburst and Jaire's ongoing behavior suggest something is very wrong behind the scenes.

[Joemailman]

I think Devondre's twitter outburst and Jaire's ongoing behavior suggest something is very wrong behind the scenes.

What could possibly be wrong? The trade of Rasul could be a part of this too.

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/TyLYB33v07aO3s__9aeaucHvhNI=/0x0:6041x4494/1200x800/filters:focal(3174x385:4140x1351)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/72973507/usa_today_20736250.0.jpg

[sharpe1027]

IMO, what's wrong is the results. Players will put up with an asshole coach they they're winning and getting results.

[Fritz]

Nobody’s saying he’s an asshole, exactly. Just incompetent. The players don’t respect him at all, that’s clear.

[sharpe1027]

Nobody’s saying he’s an asshole, exactly. Just incompetent. The players don’t respect him at all, that’s clear.

Agreed. My point is he wouldn't have (arguably) lost the locker room if the defense was playing well. Therefore, the main issue is his strategy sucks balls. The players getting frustrated with him is secondary.

[Fritz]

That makes sense. If a team is playing well, it'll put up with the coach, even if he's Satan incarnate. So if Barry has this defense playing well, they'd be on board. But they have sniffed out his incompetence.

I think after The Flower had to TELL Joe to blitz more (when was that? The SF playoff game where King got burned?), he must've had an inkling Joe weren't the guy. Yet LeFleur sat on his hands, and here we are.

[Joemailman]

That makes sense. If a team is playing well, it'll put up with the coach, even if he's Satan incarnate. So if Barry has this defense playing well, they'd be on board. But they have sniffed out his incompetence.

I think after The Flower had to TELL Joe to blitz more (when was that? The SF playoff game where King got burned?), he must've had an inkling Joe weren't the guy. Yet LeFleur sat on his hands, and here we are.

The game I know of where he told Barry (sort of) to bring pressure was week 2 in 2021 against the Lions. Packers trailed 17-14 at halftime. I read that MLF told him that if he's rushing 4 and not getting to the QB he can't just keep rushing 4. He either has to bring pressure or drop 8 and play coverage. Barry brought pressure and the Packers shut them out in the 2nd half.

[Teamcheez1]

Read over on ESPN, that Jaire has an $8M roster bonus due to him on March 20th.

On Acme, they say the total dead cap if we move off of him is $27M next year. They seem to say we’re stuck paying the bonus and him playing for us short a major contract restructure which is not likely.

[red]

Read over on ESPN, that Jaire has an $8M roster bonus due to him on March 20th.

On Acme, they say the total dead cap if we move off of him is $27M next year. They seem to say we’re stuck paying the bonus and him playing for us short a major contract restructure which is not likely.

i think he costs around 24 million against the cap right now for next season

so we would take an extra 3 million dollar hit if we get rid of him

27 million dollar hit is a big hit for a player not on your team, but its not unheard of if you want the guy gone

i also saw the 8 million dollar roster bonus. i have no clue how that figures into the cap hit though

[texaspackerbacker]

I'd kinda like to see Jaire play for a different Packer DC and DB coach.

[bobblehead]

i think he costs around 24 million against the cap right now for next season

so we would take an extra 3 million dollar hit if we get rid of him

27 million dollar hit is a big hit for a player not on your team, but its not unheard of if you want the guy gone

i also saw the 8 million dollar roster bonus. i have no clue how that figures into the cap hit though

He still has a lot of trade value. If you can land a couple premium picks it might be worth eating the money. But tex is correct in his next post. We have a ton of athletes who are capable of playing in a more man type scheme. Savage and Alexander are miscast in this system....of course, the system blows so everyone is miscast.

[Bretsky]

I'd kinda like to see Jaire play for a different Packer DC and DB coach.


Lets say JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY get the job

Or

Even your buddy AL HARRIS

A lot of Man to Man wojuld be on it's way and Jaire would do great again

[Fritz]

I just read an article this morning suggesting the Packers will NOT be parting ways with Jaire after the season, as his contract is too expensive and he's not considered a problem in the locker room.

So yes, maybe hire a DC who will play to his players' strengths.

[call_me_ishmael]

I think Jaire is a weird quirky dude. The good ones almost all are. See Rodgers, Aaron or Favre, Bert. Tom Brady actually seems like a normal ass dude to me for the GOAT, which is kind of unexpected. JJ Watt, too.

[run pMc]

Agree he's a weird dude.
Agree Berry is probably liked as a person and maybe even as a coach (I've heard he's a good dude, actually), but not as a play caller. He would probably be best served as a position coach and not a coordinator.
I don't get the impression he's a quick thinker, and I think he likes to default to rush 4 and drop 7 into zone. That's a Rod Marinelli Tampa 2 thing, and that's where his true roots are.

As for Jaire, I don't think they could trade him if they wanted to, which they don't.
He'd be the largest non QB cap hit if he were traded or cut, and he's owed a lot of money still. They'll need to restructure some of his money next season to get cap space to do anything outside of signing their draft picks.
Eating his contract by trading him is not a good idea, especially when you have the David Bakhtiari and Aaron Jones contracts to consider.

Jaire probably needs a fresh start next season and a new DC... my guess is he comes in re-energized and with (according to him) an all new Jaire attitude and plays up to his reputation. Injuries have bothered him all year, but even early in the season he wasn't that great. He wasn't All-Pro, that's for sure. CBs usually don't have long windows of greatness, he has work to do to reach that level again.

[Joemailman]

Agree he's a weird dude.
Agree Berry is probably liked as a person and maybe even as a coach (I've heard he's a good dude, actually), but not as a play caller. He would probably be best served as a position coach and not a coordinator.
I don't get the impression he's a quick thinker, and I think he likes to default to rush 4 and drop 7 into zone. That's a Rod Marinelli Tampa 2 thing, and that's where his true roots are.

As for Jaire, I don't think they could trade him if they wanted to, which they don't.
He'd be the largest non QB cap hit if he were traded or cut, and he's owed a lot of money still. They'll need to restructure some of his money next season to get cap space to do anything outside of signing their draft picks.
Eating his contract by trading him is not a good idea, especially when you have the David Bakhtiari and Aaron Jones contracts to consider.

Jaire probably needs a fresh start next season and a new DC... my guess is he comes in re-energized and with (according to him) an all new Jaire attitude and plays up to his reputation. Injuries have bothered him all year, but even early in the season he wasn't that great. He wasn't All-Pro, that's for sure. CBs usually don't have long windows of greatness, he has work to do to reach that level again.

Is this true if they were to trade him before his $8 million roster bonus is due (3rd day of league year). I don't know. Just asking.