A few draft tidbits

[Brandon494]

The Packers draft long snapper Hunter Bradley from Mississippi State. He was accurate on 87.04% of his long snaps, while averaging 34.35 mph per snap (2nd best in the class)


Green Bay adds USF WR Marquez Valdes-Scantling to close out the fifth round. He had just 1 dropped pass in 2016 on 43 targets, but saw that number rise to 9 on 97 targets in 2017



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[beveaux1]

Thanks, Brandon. Maybe this is why the "experts" thought so highly of our draft.

[red]

seems like guty subscribes to PFF

[mraynrand]

seems like guty subscribes to PFF

Gutey probably found out about the Packer draft after he saw it on CNN.

[Brandon494]

Good read

https://m.cheeseheadtv.com/blog/packers-draft-review-seeing-the-draft-through-the-coaches-and-scouts-eyes-713

[pbmax]

^ From that same article is something I very much want to be true. I mean, this would be my second* shot at Packer front office fan fiction.


*Did the 49ers steal Dante Pettis from the Packers by trading up? Isn’t Pettis someone the Packers wanted?

No. As mentioned above, each team before the draft puts together their analysis of every other teams’ needs and possible targets, based on their schemes. Like most teams, the Packers try to feed false information into those other teams’ reports—primarily with their pre-draft visits and interviews, which are public information for the rest of the league. It’s to the Packers’ advantage to fool other teams into thinking that they’re looking for a certain player. Maybe a gullible team will jump right in front of them to draft one of those decoys, instead of a wiser team moving into that spot to steal someone they love.

That was the case with Pettis. Good front offices would know that the Packers had no interest. Pettis is thin and soft, and the Packers have never taken a receiver like that in the McCarthy era, at least in the first four rounds. (They’ve always drafted rugged receivers, like Jordy Nelson, Davante Adams, James Jones, Ty Montgomery, Randall Cobb, and Greg Jennings, who was thin but tough as nails.) The San Francisco 49ers, however, have the worst front office in the NFL. In early 2017, meddling trust-fund baby owner Jed York scared off good GM candidates like Brian Gutekunst and Elliot Wolf, and wound up settling for the inexperienced John Lynch. His staff was snookered by the Packers’ smoke screen on Pettis.


* First shot would of course be the circumstances around Sherman shutting the doors on John Dorsey.

[red]

i would like to know how cheesehead TV is 100% sure that us wanting pettis was a ruse

did they see the big board?

[pbmax]

i would like to know how cheesehead TV is 100% sure that us wanting pettis was a ruse

did they see the big board?

If I wanted to actually fact check this, I would have researched it. I just WANT it to be true. So John Lynch can suck it like Matt Millen, Mike Singletary and all the rest of the attitude boys.

To answer your question, I am assuming there was pre draft or pre pick scuttlebutt that the Packers wanted a WR. If he had a hard report, I am sure he would have linked it.

[Brandon494]

Doubt they would have taken him over Jackson even if he was there, it was obvisouly they were going defense early.

[woodbuck27]

Thanks, Brandon. Maybe this is why the "experts" thought so highly of our draft.

OK before the BULLSHIT gets too heavy in here and the 'COOL AID' Drinkers' over power the sensible (or realistic and objectively viewing it all) Packer fans:

This is what you Cool Aid Drinkers miss. Dam it must be wonderful to one time criticise the Media and then on others suck up to anything positive that's written and based on some alluded to pretense or another and ie the Packers 'Invisible Draft Board. I can clearly and justifiably with REAL MERIT shoot holes in the First, Second and Fourth Moves that Packer GM Brian Gutekunst and his Packer Draft Team made and shouldn't have needed to make in this 2018 NFL Draft.

I can easily after that shoot down most of his other moves in this Draft and to read the Grades given by the NFL Media and Analysts and 'Give Me A Break' A Grades...I beg to differ.

I've come to this conclusion and being a Pro Sports fan since childhood. Since many many moons ago and debating anything and Pro Sports. 'Cool Aid Drinkers' feast on their delusions and are perfectly content to do so, and all the more power to Y'all; but I never have nor will ever be one of you. I'm not wired that way. To aspire to be one of the Rah Rah Crew.

I want to do what it takes to be NUMBER ONE ! That's always been me all my life. To think outside the box takes effort and wanting to know the TRUTH not to follow 'the Hoard'.

Many of you give too much credit to Packer GM Brian Gutekunst's moves in Round ONE to get a new CB And acquire an additional 1st Rd. Pick in 2019. He paid a BIG cost in Draft Chart Points to buy that additional First Round Pick next year.He paid in advance for anabout 20th Pick Overall or about 850 Draft Chart Value Points based on the DRAFTTEK Trade Value Chart.

https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp

So I placed this after a load of work on another thread and it deserves therefore, because of the extensive analysis, to be right here as well:

This is a comprehensive ANALYSIS of Brian Gutekunst's decision to Trade up for his Third Round Pick at NO. 88.

At the time he made that decision; I was surprised; hoping they would simply call it a day and be 'locked and loaded' for Day Three and the NO. 1 Pick on that day. A whole night to ensure that NO. 101 Overall Pick was the Perfect fit.

If they had 'a Hard On' :-) for LBer Oren Burks, Vanderbilt; maybe some Intel made them think they had to trade into Round Three and grab him, before he was lifted off the Board in Round Three?

Here's the Transaction and results:

The Green Bay PACKERS Traded • 2018 fourth round pick (#101-Ian Thomas) • 2018 fifth round pick (#147-Micah Kiser) to Panthers for • 2018 third round pick (#88-Oren Burks) on 2018-04-27

Maybe? The Packers were targeting EDGE Arden Key, who went off the Board to the Oakland Raiders at Pick NO. 23 in Rd. 3 and Pick NO. 87 Overall.

Taking a look back at Round !:

Note how in Round One the Packers moved from NO. 27 >>> NO. 18, to pick CB Jaire Alexander and did so right after two STUDS ' ALL WORLD ' ILB TREMAINE EDMUNDS and STUD Safety DERWIN JAMES flew off the DRaft Board.

Looking back at the Draft and the remainder of Round 3 and after the Packers moved up for OLB Oren Burks:


Who was there after Oren Burks Prospect Grade 5.46 was selected:


OLB DORIAN O'DANIEL, CLEMSON - Prospect Grade 5.50 was Picked at the end of Round Three at Pick NO. 100 Overall by Kansas City.

OT's Joseph Noteboom, TCU - Prospect Grade 5.75 went NO. 89 And Chuks Okorafor, Michigan - Prospect Grade 5.60 NO. 92 Overall. GUARD Alex Cappa,Humboldt State - Prospect Grade 5.52 went at NO. 94.

NOTE:

Alabama Safety Ronnie Harrison slipped all the way to Rd. 3 and Pick NO. 93 Overall. T

The Safeties selected before Ronnie Harrison:

Safety Justin Reid at Pick NO. 68 Overall. S Tracy Walker, Louisiana - Lafayette went at NO. 82 and Safety Rashaan Gaulden, Tennessee at NO. 85.

Safety Tavarious Moore , s. Miss went NO. 95.

Who was available in Round Four and Pick NO. 101 and the start of Day Three?:

https://www.nfl.com/draft/tracker/picks?round=4

TE - IAN THOMAS - INDIANA - Prospect Grade = 5.82 and he was the Pick @ NO. 101 Overall or the Pick the Packers used to trade up to NO. 88 and select OLB Oren Burks.

EDGE - DORANCE ARMSTRONG, KANSAS - Prospect Grade 5.55

WR's Antonio Callaway, Florida - Prospect Grade 5.60 and DAESEAN HAMILTON, PENN ST. Prospect Grade 5.70

DE - JALYN HOLMES, OHIO ST. Prospect Grade 5.71

So there you go and frankly given that the Packers surrendered another Pick or Round Five and NO.147- that became ILB Micah Kiser, Virginia - Prospect Grade 5.59 to the Carolina Panthers

ILB - Micah Kizer's Profile:

https://www.nfl.com/draft/tracker/picks?pick=10&round=5

Pick Analysis ... Round 5 • Pick 10 (147)

The Rams had to leave this draft with at least one linebacker and Micah Kiser has starter-level diagnostic and tackling ability. He's not flashy, but there's a good chance he is the first Rams rookie to see the field next season. --Mark Dulgerian

Note that the Packers Pic at the TOP of Round Five was OL- GUARD, COLE MADISON- WASHINGTON ST. Prospect Grade
5.39.

So clearly after this analysis I question the Packers GM Brian Gutekunst moving up the board into Round Three and Pick NO. 88. GOOT gave up Picks NO. 101 and 147 to select an OLB Oren Burks Graded well below two other Prospects that he could have acquired.

In my analysis Packer GM Brian Gutekunst made this move too expeditiously. In other words he gave away far too much Pick Value and got much less back as a result.In other words he screwed himself. ... WHY do I make that bold claim !?

In simple Mathematical Terms:

He literally traded two 5.7 Graded Prospects for one less than 5.5 Graded Prospects.

11.4 is > 2X greater than < 5.5. It's simple MATH !

That makes little common sense and in my Final Analysis:

Packer GM Brian Burke 'on paper blew this move and acquisition of OLB Oren Burks.


This is his First NFL DRAFT wearing 'the Packer Big Boy Pants'. He's allowed to screw up.

He'll get over the top too much praise in spite of clear analysis that will make a solid case that 'in fact' the Packers got less than they had right there and available to them. Packer Nation cannot be fooled by Analysts that have bought into the way of the NFL now and collusion and what appears to me as the 'you scratch my back I'll scratch yours 32 Team hand shake. :???:

I'm a former Math Teacher. I worked in Engineering and 'the POWER Industry' for a lot of my Career. Math is all around us. You need to use Math too often to make decisions. Packer GM Brian Gutekunst obviously missed this TRUTH.

I'll give him time. :pack:

woodbuck27

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[mraynrand]

He literally traded two 5.7 Graded Prospects for one less than 5.5 Graded Prospects.

HOLY SCHNIKES!!!! say it ain't so

[pbmax]

Woodbuck, first of all, loved reading expeditiously.

Second, what if BG and the Scouts did not agree with the NFL.com scouts? What if they specifically wanted an ILB (or in tpb's imagination an OLB) with the exact profile of Burks?

What if they wanted a smaller, faster, ex-safety nickel guy for coverage?

wist might faint but that is drafting for need. Normally, Rand and I might side with you that its not good value or a good long term game plan. But with a new DC, maybe he has requested someone that fit that exact position?

[gbgary]

Gutey probably found out about the Packer draft after he saw it on CNN.

they only talk about one thing on cnn. lol

[woodbuck27]

Woodbuck, first of all, loved reading expeditiously.

Second, what if BG and the Scouts did not agree with the NFL.com scouts? What if they specifically wanted an ILB (or in tpb's imagination an OLB) with the exact profile of Burks?

What if they wanted a smaller, faster, ex-safety nickel guy for coverage?

wist might faint but that is drafting for need. Normally, Rand and I might side with you that its not good value or a good long term game plan. But with a new DC, maybe he has requested someone that fit that exact position?

Then given your case here for all that is common sense, and not giving up TWO at more Value for 'his one'. Simply allow 'his one' to fall into place at Pick NO. 101.

For all that is reasonable and his 5.46 Graded Prospect Oren Burks; don't surrender a Potential superior 5.7 Graded Prospect at Pick NO. 147 in the Process.

Brian Gutekunst on two occasions and just in Rounds ONE Thru THREE demonstrated inexperience and PANIC in his first DRAFT.

I hope he gives his head a shake and learns from this first 'Wearing the BIG BOY PANTS' experience.


He clearly blew it ! It's what Rookies often do. I'm a nice person. I (we should) forgive ROOKIE MISTAKES.

Sadly I'm concerned as Packer GM Brian Gutekunst made over the TOP too many of them this week and the Packer Nation Draft.

Another thing I dislikes and I'm going to follow up on this:

He informed the Media that he on more than a couple of occasions was in contact with CB Prospect Jaire Alexander and basically Jaire Alexander clearly denies that is the TRUTH or is saying that Brian Gutekunst to be kind .... is misinformed by someone (some members) of his hierarchy.

Many would flat out call Packer GM Brian Gutekunst 'a LIER" or a blatant BULL SHITTER.

I think again to be fair we see here another clear example of Brian Gutekunst's inexperience sitting in the REALLY HOT SEAT. :idea:

YES.... I would have had a TEAM in place to TRUMP Packer GM Brian Gutekunst's (no CAPS) teams performance in this Draft. :pack:

[mraynrand]

they only talk about one thing on cnn. lol

I know. That's where I get all my porn now.

[mraynrand]

Then given your case here for all that is common sense, and not giving up TWO at more Value for 'his one'. Simply allow 'his one' to fall into place at Pick NO. 101.

Why waste picks at all? You can just sign rookie FAs and accumulate all sorts of value points!

[pbmax]

Woodbuck, you suggestion assumes that the folks in between the pick the Packers used and the pick they gave up were not interested in Burks and agreed with the NFL scouting numbers. We don't know that to be the case.