Who Your Favorite Hapless Packer

[The Shadow]

You know : the guy who inexplicably hung around on the roster for way too long - and you could never understand why. That guy who inevitably screwed things up - got pancaked, dropped passes, gave up sacks, got burned, etc.

Estus Hood, DB from the late 70's & early 80's gets my vote. Whenever he was on the field, a big play against the Packers somehow materialized. Even now, just hearing his name brings back bad mojo memories.

Who's YOUR guy?

[The Shadow]

I guess the title should have been "Who Was Your Favorite Hapless Packer?" The one I submitted has a bit of a pandering feel to it.

[texaspackerbacker]

Seneca Wallace is the first name that comes to mind.

I guess you were trying to say, favorite meaning most extreme case, right?

[bobblehead]

I'll probably get a lot of flack for this, but AJ Hawk is my guy. He belonged on the bench, Clay should have been playing inside. AJ was the master of a tackle for a 7 yard gain, while making virtually no big plays. I thought MM held on to him way to long for such crappy reasons as "knows his assignment" and "QB of the defense", neither of which help you when he is costing you yards.

I remember Useless Hood well. And "toast" Jerry Holmes. But at least the coaching staff tried to get those scrubs off the field.

[bobblehead]

Seneca Wallace is the first name that comes to mind.

I guess you were trying to say, favorite meaning most extreme case, right?

He said "hung around way too long". Seneca was in for about a total of 5 plays as a packer.

[mraynrand]

Half the rosters of the 70's and eighties were littered with the hapless. 'Favorite?' I hated most of these guys. Randy Wright was especially putrid and he started 32 games. 32. George Cumby was laughably marginal, yet he boasted about how they were going to make the playoffs. Then MNF and The Fridge happened. Then Buffalo happened. Then retirement happened. Goodbye George. Jim 'bouncepass' Zorn played for the Packers years after his sell-by date. I was a better passer as a college freshman playing intramural than this hack. Zorn became the underpowered VW bug he drove around with Steve Largent - totally worthless.

[pbmax]

The last four years of KGB. Nice guy, but one trick pony, limited and virtually useless at time. Was eventually, belatedly, benched for refusing to play the run versus the 49ers I think.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Harlan Huckleby. Man, dude was one hapless, tasteless mamarocker. Actually, I don’t know much about Harlan.

Is a hapless player really hapless when he’s lasting so long in the ultra competitive NFL? If anything, he’s actually lucky.

But if hapless in this case means abomination, then my pick is Mr. Hyde. That abomination was so bad as a corner, I almost disavowed shutting down Darren Charles.

[wpony]

I would like to pick two people be cause neither one stay to long really but the played the same position and together they were there way to long my first ist Scott hunter 3 yrs 17 tds 30 ints then came Jerry tagge Dan Devines boy can you imagine bring replaced be Jerry Tagge what a slap in the face he played 3 yr for the Pack and threw 3tds 17 ints and 44 passer rating .

[esoxx]

Eric Torkleson

[Maxie the Taxi]

Brad Jones. I can't believe he spent six years in GB.:mad:

[George Cumby]

I picked my handle for a reason.

[Joemailman]

http://www.claremontshows.com/catalog/football/fb_cards/whitehurst/whitehurst79t.jpg

David Whitehurst. 7 seasons. 37 starts. 28 TD passes. 51 INT's.

[The Shadow]

He said "hung around way too long". Seneca was in for about a total of 5 plays as a packer.

5 plays too many.

[hoosier]

Bart Starr. The coach. And Tom Bratz.

[texaspackerbacker]

If coaches are included, nobody but nobody stunk worse than Dan Devine.

[Zool]

Tex! Do fans count?

I always loved Johnny Holland when I was a kid.

[NewsBruin]

I have a soft spot for Seneca Wallace, seeing him as a economy-plus version of Michael Vick in the Big 12. I wanted him to have a better NFL career than he did, and I was glad when the Packers picked hin up.

I don't wanna say anything bad about someone volunteering with our staff in the off-season, but Brandon Jackson struck me as the offense's version of AJ Hawk: Really praiseworthy in everything, but not a breakout in anything. Every draft prediction clearly spells it out, but some team is gonna draft him high because he is good enough to probably start. The NFL equivalent of beige.

But I'll settle on someone who I like a lot more now, thanks to this board: Jarrett Bush. Trained and prepped like crazy, good teammate, could be deactivated every other game, restructured every third game, and cut every fourth game without taking it out on anybody. I don't think I could do my job as well as he did with as good of an attitude as he had. I think there was a five-game stretch he purely played for tips. He may never get his name indside Lambeau, but I hope he never has to pay for a drink in Wisconsin.

[Maxie the Taxi]

If coaches are included, nobody but nobody stunk worse than Dan Devine.So you're the one!

[texaspackerbacker]

I love dogs ....... but if there was ever one exception .........

[gbgary]

zeke bratkowski? i was a kid but i seem to remember thinking he lacked a lot of hap compared to bart starr.

[pbmax]

Brad Jones. I can't believe he spent six years in GB.:mad:

But he was one leg of the mighty Zombo/Walden/Jones triumvirate that helped deliver a Super Bowl. He'll always have that. If nothing else.

[wthigoot]

Harlan Huckleby. Man, dude was one hapless, tasteless mamarocker. Actually, I don’t know much about Harlan.

Is a hapless player really hapless when he’s lasting so long in the ultra competitive NFL? If anything, he’s actually lucky.

But if hapless in this case means abomination, then my pick is Mr. Hyde. That abomination was so bad as a corner, I almost disavowed shutting down Darren Charles.

Got to second the vote for Harlan Huckleby. I was amazed that he made the team 6 years in a row. 1190 catch and run yards in those 6 years.

Don't remember many failures but he wasn't out there very much.

[mraynrand]

But he was one leg of the mighty Zombo/Walden/Jones triumvirate that helped deliver a Super Bowl. He'll always have that. If nothing else.

Like Breuer/Mokeski/Lister “They have 18 fouls to give”

[Guiness]

a little surprised at the lack of love (is that the right word here?) for Brent Fullwood.

4 years? smh

[George Cumby]

Speaking of running backs: Darrell Thompson, anyone?

[Harlan Huckleby]

Speaking of running backs: Darrell Thompson, anyone?

He was fairly productive, if one dimensional.

My clear favorite is Randy Wright. That guy was smart and tough. Not sure why fans hated him. Well, guess it was the the lead feet and limp arm.

[Harlan Huckleby]

The flat out shittiest starter ever was the Hall of Fame linebacker from Tampa. He came for one year and was way over the hill. What the fuck is his name - he is a college coach now. Hardy Nickerson.

[HarveyWallbangers]

a little surprised at the lack of love (is that the right word here?) for Brent Fullwood.

4 years? smh

Fullwood actually had one good year though. I think he was a Pro Bowl alternate.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Got to second the vote for Harlan Huckleby. I was amazed that he made the team 6 years in a row. 1190 catch and run yards in those 6 years.

Don't remember many failures but he wasn't out there very much.

Could it be that Huck was a special teams ace? Coaches and GMs seem to have a soft spot, not to mention, a roster spot, for special teams aces.

Or perhaps, theoretically, like the poster Harlan with his current employer and Todd in his playing days, it ain’t impossible that Huck “brokebacked” for employment. :)

[Anti-Polar Bear]

The flat out shittiest starter ever was the Hall of Fame linebacker from Tampa. He came for one year and was way over the hill. What the fuck is his name - he is a college coach now. Hardy Nickerson.

No Sherman acquisition was ever shitty.

Want short-term shitty acquisitions? Marquand Manuel, current DC of the Falconerds. And that center who migrated from the Colts; dude got benched in the Green and Gold and still made the pro bowl that season.

Thanks Todd.

[Guiness]

The flat out shittiest starter ever was the Hall of Fame linebacker from Tampa. He came for one year and was way over the hill. What the fuck is his name - he is a college coach now. Hardy Nickerson.

Oh him. Ya, he was bad. His wheels weren't flat, they had fallen off.

[pbmax]

The flat out shittiest starter ever was the Hall of Fame linebacker from Tampa. He came for one year and was way over the hill. What the fuck is his name - he is a college coach now. Hardy Nickerson.

If you want to frighten yourself, think of every glowing thing you have read about Tramontana in the offseason so far this year. Local ESPN radio was all aglow that all the new, young DBs were learning from such a crafty veteran and his presence was going to save the D backfield this year. He'd teach them film study, how to recognize offenses, tricks of the trade. They were convinced that each young DB has said meeting Tramontana was the best thing that had ever happened to their pro careers.

Everything said about Tramon was also said by much the same group of media about Hardy Nickerson. It hasn't yet occurred to them about a young player unwillingness to say something that sounds bad about a beloved veteran. Even Damarious Randall took shots at players younger than him.

[MadScientist]

Willard Harrell. I thought he was sucking with the Packers for longer than the 3 years he did. Probably because he was stinking up Lambeau when I first started watching football. I'm amazed that he played for 7 seasons after the Packers cut him. He was the first player I remember being really happy that the Packers cut.

[theeaterofshades]

Travis Jervey If for calling Holmgren Coach Dude and trying to co-buy a lion alone.

[mraynrand]

Travis Jervey If for calling Holmgren Coach Dude and trying to co-buy a lion alone.

that guy played 9 seasons in the NFL (mostly ST). I probably got to see his best game as a pro 'running back' - 90+ yards and a TD against SF in 1998. Great game. Kind of a poor man's Jarret Bush. :)

[KYPack]

No Sherman acquisition was ever shitty.

Want short-term shitty acquisitions? Marquand Manuel, current DC of the Falconerds. And that center who migrated from the Colts; dude got benched in the Green and Gold and still made the pro bowl that season.

Thanks Todd.

You are a moron.

Joe Johnson DE, one of the worst FA acquisitions in Packer history.

Howzzat for shitty?

[George Cumby]

BJ Sander

[Joemailman]

BJ Sander

Meh. He was a bad punter for 1 year.

[MadScientist]

BJ Sander


Meh. He was a bad punter for 1 year.

If you want to go for specialists, may I suggest Eddie Garcia. He was drafted in 82 as a big leg replacement for 40 year old Jan Stenerude. But Stenerude stuck around for 2 more years until the Packers cut him in 84. That year Jan went to the pro bowl, and Garcia went 3 for 9 in 7 games before they cut his ass and picked up Al Del Greco.

[The Shadow]

Fine candidates, all!

[George Cumby]

Meh. He was a bad punter for 1 year.

APB posted his usual idiocy about Sherman’s greatness. I posited Sander not as an exemplar of a hapless Packer but of Sherman’s incompetence as a GM. My bad for being unclear. I took the Bards “Brevity is the soul of wit” to far.

[Guiness]

Willard Harrell. I thought he was sucking with the Packers for longer than the 3 years he did. Probably because he was stinking up Lambeau when I first started watching football. I'm amazed that he played for 7 seasons after the Packers cut him. He was the first player I remember being really happy that the Packers cut.

This shook something loose...I want to change my answer to Justin Harrell. 4 years and a SB ring. 14 games and 28 tackles from a guy who wore Reggie White's number at Tennessee. His inability to get on the field was also a big part of why KGB was brought back for that final, awful year.

[Fritz]

Dave Peurifoy. Or however he spelled it.

But weren't they all pretty much hapless when Bart coached them?

So, really, Bart-as-coach. Joe Montana? No thanks, we prefer Rich Campbell. Bart was an awful, awful coach and player evaluator. A great human being, a superb quarterback, but a hapless coach.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

You are a moron.

Joe Johnson DE, one of the worst FA acquisitions in Packer history.

Howzzat for shitty?

Ole Joe was indeed a hapless Packer. When he was in the arena, with the sand beneath his feet, he displayed flashes of greatness. Alas, he was wounded too often that he rarely was in the arena while donning the Green and Gold.

hapless [hap-lis] (adjective): unlucky; luckless; unfortunate.

[Fritz]

Ole Joe was indeed a hapless Packer. When he was in the arena, with the sand beneath his feet, he displayed flashes of greatness. Alas, he was wounded too often that he rarely was in the arena while donning the Green and Gold.

hapless [hap-lis] (adjective): unlucky; luckless; unfortunate.



Sounds like you could be talking about Justin Harrell.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Sounds like you could be talking about Justin Harrell.

Harrell didn't show fuck the rare times we saw him dance in the arena. Ole Joe could pressure the QB.

[pbmax]

Harrell didn't show fuck the rare times we saw him dance in the arena. Ole Joe could pressure the QB.

When he wasn't Old Joe he could. Harrell had 1/2 again as many tackles in the same timeframe as ol' Joe (2 years). Plus WAY more assists.

Never has a player gotten more run from 2 sacks in 11 games than Joe Johnson from Tank.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

When he wasn't Old Joe he could. Harrell had 1/2 again as many tackles in the same timeframe as ol' Joe (2 years). Plus WAY more assists.

Never has a player gotten more run from 2 sacks in 11 games than Joe Johnson from Tank.

"Pressures" aren't always recorded correctly or at all. KGB, even in the season in which Todd incompetently cut him at the midpoint (his last game in the Green and Gold was impressive) and Ole Joe were pretty good at pressuring QBs.

Any defender who can pressure the QB into getting rid of the rock prematurely is doing his job.

[George Cumby]

Justify, Argue, Defend, Explain.

The age-old, time-honoured tools of the narcissist/internet troll.

Keep it up, Tank.

[Rutnstrut]

Brad Jones. I can't believe he spent six years in GB.:mad:



I hated that worthless fuckstick. Almost as much as I hated Spray paint hair.

[Bretsky]

ESTUS HOOD and BRAD JONES....those guys somehow played a lot and were just horrid

[Harlan Huckleby]

I have a soft spot for the failed free agents, especially name players. Jeff Saturday deserves dishonorable mention.

What about Martellus Bennett. Too soon to discuss?

John Hadl was very special indeed.

[mraynrand]

I have a soft spot for the failed free agents, especially name players. Jeff Saturday deserves dishonorable mention.

What about Martellus Bennett. Too soon to discuss?

John Hadl was very special indeed.

All good choices as hapless, but they really didn't stick around Green Bay all that long.

Hadl is a truly special case: If I had been in Ghostbusters and had to choose the form of the destructor, I would have thought of John Hadl.

[George Cumby]

Yeah. Those FA’s are just mistakes. They don’t quite fit the criteria set by the OP.

What about Brian Noble? Iirc he was actually fairly decent but that may have been in comparison to the weak teams he was on.....

[The Shadow]

If Brett Hundley somehow sticks around, he could one day aspire to making this list.

[Fritz]

Although Chester Marcol was a good kicker for a couple of years, for that time period, he always seemed terribly hapless. Probably the glasses and the bumbling touchdown run he had when one of his kicks was blocked.

[Joemailman]

Yeah. Those FA’s are just mistakes. They don’t quite fit the criteria set by the OP.

What about Brian Noble? Iirc he was actually fairly decent but that may have been in comparison to the weak teams he was on.....

Brian Noble was a heck of an ILB in a 3-4. It's a shame he's not in the Packers HOF. If he had played on better teams, I believe he would be. He played on a lot of bad teams and then suffered a career-ending knee injury in 1993 just as the Packers were turning things around under Holmgren. He does not belong in this thread.

[The Shadow]

Although Chester Marcol was a good kicker for a couple of years, for that time period, he always seemed terribly hapless. Probably the glasses and the bumbling touchdown run he had when one of his kicks was blocked.

A bumbling touchdown run is preferable to a graceful fumble.

[ThunderDan]

Although Chester Marcol was a good kicker for a couple of years, for that time period, he always seemed terribly hapless. Probably the glasses and the bumbling touchdown run he had when one of his kicks was blocked.

Probably because he was drunk during the games?

[Fritz]

Probably because he was drunk during the games?

And thus hapless.

[George Cumby]

Brian Noble was a heck of an ILB in a 3-4. It's a shame he's not in the Packers HOF. If he had played on better teams, I believe he would be. He played on a lot of bad teams and then suffered a career-ending knee injury in 1993 just as the Packers were turning things around under Holmgren. He does not belong in this thread.

He was my favourite packer back in high school, I’m glad my memory hasn’t gone that bad. Who’d he piss off in the Packers Organization to be snubbed from the HoF? Did he sleep with a coach? Did he punch Holmgrens wife?

[MadScientist]

Probably because he was drunk during the games?

If Chester was only drunk, he might have stuck around for a while. He was doing coke during halftime of that game.
https://fanbuzz.com/nfl/chester-marcol-green-bay-packers-kicker-cocaine/

[wthigoot]

Although Chester Marcol was a good kicker for a couple of years, for that time period, he always seemed terribly hapless. Probably the glasses and the bumbling touchdown run he had when one of his kicks was blocked.

Not bumbling at all. Excellent placement, kicked it right into the man and directly back to himself for the easy TD on an empty left side. Was watching it live with my college roommate who was a Bears fan. Priceless.

[mraynrand]

Will the Badgers be Happless this fall? Find out June 21.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Yeah. Those FA’s are just mistakes. They don’t quite fit the criteria set by the OP.

I'm not an originalist. A thread is a living document.

[texaspackerbacker]

Will the Badgers be Happless this fall? Find out June 21.

What's supposed to happen then? I thought it was already sure he was staying.

[Fritz]

Not bumbling at all. Excellent placement, kicked it right into the man and directly back to himself for the easy TD on an empty left side. Was watching it live with my college roommate who was a Bears fan. Priceless.

Love your description. Makes me think Zook should study that play and work it in as a trick play for Mason Crosby. Like an onsides kick, only better. Maybe Adam Pankey could make the team as the guy whose back Crosby kicks the ball into. They could call it "Rum and Coke."