The 53 Man Roster

[texaspackerbacker]

Break it down by number at each position group and eventually by naming names.

[texaspackerbacker]

I'll go with 3 Special Teamers: Crosby, Scott, Triner or Bradley

Offense: 3 QBs, 1 Fullback, 4 RBs, 3 TEs, 7 WRs, 8 O Linemen

Defense: 6 D Linemen, 5 OLB, 3 ILB, 6 Corners, 4 Safeties

[Joemailman]

They'll probably go with 3 RB's until Jones is eligible. Maybe add a 9th O lineman.

6 D-Linemen would be normal, but I don't know if there are 6 worth keeping. 5 really good ones and then a big dropoff. Maybe add a 9th linebacker.

[wthigoot]

Break it down by number at each position group and eventually by naming names.

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[wthigoot]

Break it down by number at each position group and eventually by naming names.

Well this is just way too tempting. Never miss a chance to look silly by predicting too early. :-)

QB (2) - Rodgers, Kizer --- Cut: Hundley --- PS: Boyle
RB (3) - Montgomery, Williams, Mays --- Cut: Judd --- Suspended: Jones --- PS: Bouagnon
FB (1) - Ripkowski --- Cut: Kerridge
TE (3) - Graham, Lewis, Tonyan --- Cut: Kendricks, Byrd, Rader, Smith
WR (7) - Adams, Cobb, Allison, Kumerow, Davis, MVS, ESB --- Cut: Lewis, Jennings -- PS: Yancey, Moore
OC (2) - Linsley, Day --- Cut: Davis
OG (4) - Taylor, McCray, Patrick, Pankey --- Did Not Report: Madison
OT (4) - Bakhtiari, Bulaga, Spriggs, Murphy

26 Offense

DL (5) - Clark, Daniels, Adams. Wilkerson, Lowry --- Cut: Mbu, Looney, Sheehy --- PS: Lancaster
OLB (6) - Matthews, Perry, Gilbert, Fackrell, Biegel, Donnerson --- Cut:Odom, Hearns -- PS: Hughes
ILB (3) - Martinez, Burks, Martini --- Cut: Crawford --- PS: Thomas, Porter --- IR: Ryan
CB (7) - Williams, House, King, Jackson, Alexander. Pipkins, Rollins --- Cut: Hawkins, Waters, Goodson --- PS: Brown
S (3) - Clinton-Dix, Jones, Brice --- Cut: Evans, Whitehead --- PS: Greene

24 Defense

ST (3) - Crosby, Bradley, Scott --- Cut: Triner

3 ST

I think that is 53 total. Lots of close calls. Kendricks might make the cut at the expense of someone else, not sure who.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Well this is just way too tempting. Never miss a chance to look silly by predicting too early. :-)

QB (2) - Rodgers, Kizer --- Cut: Hundley --- PS: Boyle
RB (3) - Montgomery, Williams, Mays --- Cut: Judd --- Suspended: Jones --- PS: Bouagnon
FB (1) - Ripkowski --- Cut: Kerridge
TE (3) - Graham, Lewis, Tonyan --- Cut: Kendricks, Byrd, Rader, Smith
WR (7) - Adams, Cobb, Allison, Kumerow, Davis, MVS, ESB --- Cut: Lewis, Jennings -- PS: Yancey, Moore
OC (2) - Linsley, Day --- Cut: Davis
OG (4) - Taylor, McCray, Patrick, Pankey --- Did Not Report: Madison
OT (4) - Bakhtiari, Bulaga, Spriggs, Murphy

26 Offense

DL (5) - Clark, Daniels, Adams. Wilkerson, Lowry --- Cut: Mbu, Looney, Sheehy --- PS: Lancaster
OLB (6) - Matthews, Perry, Gilbert, Fackrell, Biegel, Donnerson --- Cut:Odom, Hearns -- PS: Hughes
ILB (3) - Martinez, Burks, Martini --- Cut: Crawford --- PS: Thomas, Porter --- IR: Ryan
CB (7) - Williams, House, King, Jackson, Alexander. Pipkins, Rollins --- Cut: Hawkins, Waters, Goodson --- PS: Brown
S (3) - Clinton-Dix, Jones, Brice --- Cut: Evans, Whitehead --- PS: Greene

24 Defense

ST (3) - Crosby, Bradley, Scott --- Cut: Triner

3 ST

I think that is 53 total. Lots of close calls. Kendricks might make the cut at the expense of someone else, not sure who.

Finally, a real man willing to name names.

[smuggler]

Changes I see from wthigoot's list:

Boyle on the 53.
Kendricks on the 53.
ESB off the 53. Moore on the 53.
Pankey off the 53.
Donnerson off the 53.
Martini off the 53. Thomas on the 53.
Rollins off the 53.
Evans on the 53.

[Vincenzo]

Finally, a real man willing to name names.
Lol, exactly. It's actually nice to even see a projection.

[texaspackerbacker]

Again, preference, not prediction:

3/Crosby, Scott, Bradley or Triner - keep the other on speed dial

2/Rodgers, Hundley with Boyle P.S. - Trade Kizer, assuming he's more tradeable than Hundley

4/J. Williams, Montgomery, Mays - Jones Suspended, maybe Bouagnon P.S. if it looks like he is worth it

1/Ripkowski

7/D. Adams, MVS, Allison, Kumerow, Davis, St. Brown, Moore - trade Cobb if possible, otherwise just cut him, P.S. Yancey if that's possible

3/Graham, Lewis, Tonyan - cut Kendricks, Byrd

8/Linsley, Taylor, McCray, Bakhtiari, Bulaga, Patrick, Murphy, Spriggs - Madison if ever, Pankey P.S. if possible, Day P.S., Bell cut, maybe pick up somebody for P.S.

6/Daniels, Clark, Wilkerson, Lowry, M. Adams, Looney - cut Mbu, P.S. Sheehy

3/Martinez, Burks, maybe Thomas - P.S. Martini, Crawford, I.R. Ryan, maybe pick up somebody for P.S. I'm assuming Matthews will play ILB part of the time.

5/Matthews, Perry, Gilbert, Biegel, Fackrell - P.S. Donnerson, cut Odom, etc.

7/T. Williams, Alexander, King, Jackson, Hawkins, House, one more from Waters, Goodson, Pipkins, Brown - P.S. whoever possible of the others

4/Clinton-Dix, J. Jones, Brice, either Rollins or Evans - P.S. Whitehead, Greene

I originally forgot Fullback. I'm counting Aaron Jones on the 53. Maybe keep an extra CB until he comes back.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Boyle on the 53.,

I'm not sure any team has seen enough of him to risk a roster spot. Seems like he a safe practice squader - unless he miraculous wins the backup job.

[smuggler]

He won't make backup.

[wist43]

Well this is just way too tempting. Never miss a chance to look silly by predicting too early. :-)

QB (2) - Rodgers, Kizer --- Cut: Hundley --- PS: Boyle
RB (3) - Montgomery, Williams, Mays --- Cut: Judd --- Suspended: Jones --- PS: Bouagnon
FB (1) - Ripkowski --- Cut: Kerridge
TE (3) - Graham, Lewis, Tonyan --- Cut: Kendricks, Byrd, Rader, Smith
WR (7) - Adams, Cobb, Allison, Kumerow, Davis, MVS, ESB --- Cut: Lewis, Jennings -- PS: Yancey, Moore
OC (2) - Linsley, Day --- Cut: Davis
OG (4) - Taylor, McCray, Patrick, Pankey --- Did Not Report: Madison
OT (4) - Bakhtiari, Bulaga, Spriggs, Murphy

26 Offense

DL (5) - Clark, Daniels, Adams. Wilkerson, Lowry --- Cut: Mbu, Looney, Sheehy --- PS: Lancaster
OLB (6) - Matthews, Perry, Gilbert, Fackrell, Biegel, Donnerson --- Cut:Odom, Hearns -- PS: Hughes
ILB (3) - Martinez, Burks, Martini --- Cut: Crawford --- PS: Thomas, Porter --- IR: Ryan
CB (7) - Williams, House, King, Jackson, Alexander. Pipkins, Rollins --- Cut: Hawkins, Waters, Goodson --- PS: Brown
S (3) - Clinton-Dix, Jones, Brice --- Cut: Evans, Whitehead --- PS: Greene

24 Defense

ST (3) - Crosby, Bradley, Scott --- Cut: Triner

3 ST

I think that is 53 total. Lots of close calls. Kendricks might make the cut at the expense of someone else, not sure who.

That defense is quite a mess.

The line is okay, and the DB's are at least a work in progress, but linebacker is a train wreck - both inside and out.

2018 will be another wasted year, 2019 a build year... maybe we can contend by 2020??

[Tony Oday]

That defense is quite a mess.

The line is okay, and the DB's are at least a work in progress, but linebacker is a train wreck - both inside and out.

2018 will be another wasted year, 2019 a build year... maybe we can contend by 2020??

AR stays healthy and we are in the SB.

[wist43]

AR stays healthy and we are in the SB.

Not with that defense... Pettine makes us better; I think we have more talent on the line and in the back end, but we are so lacking at LB that we're simply not championship caliber.

Besides, even with Rodgers our offense has been known to be held in check against good defenses.

We simply don't have the horses to win it all.

[mraynrand]

That defense is quite a mess.

The line is okay, and the DB's are at least a work in progress, but linebacker is a train wreck - both inside and out.

2018 will be another wasted year, 2019 a build year... maybe we can contend by 2020??

Did either Biegel or Fackrell lift weights in the off-season? They look like skinny punks.

[texaspackerbacker]

AR stays healthy and we are in the SB.

+ 1

[Joemailman]

Did either Biegel or Fackrell lift weights in the off-season? They look like skinny punks.

I was surprised at how small Biegel looked. For the first time I'm kind of pessimistic about the idea he can be a significant player.

[wthigoot]

That defense is quite a mess.

The line is okay, and the DB's are at least a work in progress, but linebacker is a train wreck - both inside and out.

2018 will be another wasted year, 2019 a build year... maybe we can contend by 2020??

Agree that linebacker is mostly hope here.

Perry and Matthews have to be healthy and able to get there. Maybe Wilkerson and Adams can help.
Martinez has to be healthy because there really isn't anyone else for that spot (except maybe Matthews).

Not much from Biegel or Fackrell yet.
Donnerson could be a Keith McKenzie type but probably not right away, needs to bulk up some.

Coverage OK, Pass rush questionable, run defense could be ugly (like that one drive against PIT).

[wthigoot]

Changes I see from wthigoot's list:

Boyle on the 53.
Kendricks on the 53.
ESB off the 53. Moore on the 53.
Pankey off the 53.
Donnerson off the 53.
Martini off the 53. Thomas on the 53.
Rollins off the 53.
Evans on the 53.

ESB/Moore - probably a tossup, either should make it to PS. Moore cured his drops after getting demoted in college, maybe he needs it again. Would like to keep both somewhere.

Martini/Thomas - Just guessing Martini is the ST ace this year. Absolutely keep Thomas if wanting a safer backup at linebacker.

Rollins/Evans - Rollins is versatile (some would say he's pretty bad at a variety of positions). Kept him because he has played several spots and is really pretty athletic. Evans is good safety depth. Rollins could take the Jarrett Bush spot as most detested DB.

I guessed that Boyle would make it to the practice squad. Pankey could go instead if McCray is healthy and Patrick is OK as the backup.

Kendricks could stay depending on how TEs are used; I think Tonyan has passed him based on potential. Keep him if there are lots of 2 TE sets in the game plans.

I think Donnerson has some pass rush upside but needs to bulk up. Hope he is on the PS if cut.

[Joemailman]

Gutey will be looking for an ILB on the waiver wire on cutdown day.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Gutey will be looking for an ILB on the waiver wire on cutdown day.

Why wait when there are plenty of ILBers grinding on the streets of Baltimore right now at this moment in space-time?

That ex Ninners and Raiders, and my personal favorite, Brian “The Crush” Crushing, to name a couple.

The NFL ain’t the NBA. Playas need time to master the NFL playbook. Sign Crush!

[run pMc]

The NFL ain’t Fantasy Football.
Cushing is beat up and a shell of what he was, plus he's one failed drug test from being suspended a full year. Gute will pass on that without a second thought.

It does take time to learn a playbook and adapt to the speed of the pro game. There probably is a low priced vet they'll kick the tires on.

[Guiness]

The NFL ain’t Fantasy Football.
Cushing is beat up and a shell of what he was, plus he's one failed drug test from being suspended a full year. Gute will pass on that without a second thought.

It does take time to learn a playbook and adapt to the speed of the pro game. There probably is a low priced vet they'll kick the tires on.

Jebus, please NO on the washed up (or never was) ILB front. See Nickerson, Hardy or more recently Tripp, Jordan

[Rutnstrut]

Cushing isn't shit without juicing and he can't fake the tests like he did in college. Then again I think the same of Clay.

[Joemailman]

Cushing isn't shit without juicing and he can't fake the tests like he did in college. Then again I think the same of Clay.

Yet Clay has never failed a drug test, unlike Cushing. So what is your point? Assuming you have one.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

The NFL ain’t Fantasy Football.
Cushing is beat up and a shell of what he was, plus he's one failed drug test from being suspended a full year. Gute will pass on that without a second thought.

It does take time to learn a playbook and adapt to the speed of the pro game. There probably is a low priced vet they'll kick the tires on.

Crush is a better baller than any of the wankers currently on the roster, save for maybe Martinez.

When you sign a player off the streets of Baltimore, and that player has more game than the fuckin wankers on your team, it’s called an upgrade.

[Teamcheez1]

Not going to link anything, but a lot of rumors swirling around about the 53 man roster.

1. Does MM go with no FB's on the roster this year?
2. Are the Packers shopping Cobb?
3. J'Mon Moore looks to be safe for a roster position.
4. Hundley or Kizer?

We'll find out next week.

[mraynrand]

Not going to link anything, but a lot of rumors swirling around about the 53 man roster.

1. Does MM go with no FB's on the roster this year?
2. Are the Packers shopping Cobb?
3. J'Mon Moore looks to be safe for a roster position.
4. Hundley or Kizer?

We'll find out next week.


The tension is excruciating

[texaspackerbacker]

I read also about shopping Cobb. I hope he goes - trade ideally, but cut otherwise. As for no fullbacks, does Marcedes Lewis have a history of playing in the backfield - or Tonyan? Certainly Graham ain't gonna play FB. Ripkowski has been a good player. I think they keep him.

I WISH they were shopping Kizer and trade him. I doubt they just cut him. I also doubt the coaching staff have the blatant disrespect for Hundley that we see here in the forum. Yeah, we'll see next week.

Is it just one big cut down after the 4th preseason this year? Or still half and half after week 3 and week 4?

[Harlan Huckleby]

I read also about shopping Cobb. I hope he goes - trade ideally, but cut otherwise.

Cobb is limited by size and downfield speed, but he's still a good player. Ya, I was down on for a bit early last season, as I kick everybody and anybody when they're down. Cobb made enough plays through the season to convince me he is very much a keeper. No way he gets cut in the middle of the 2018-19 Super Bowl quest.

[mraynrand]

Cobb is limited by size and downfield speed, but he's still a good player. Ya, I was down on for a bit early last season, as I kick everybody and anybody when they're down. Cobb made enough plays through the season to convince me he is very much a keeper. No way he gets cut in the middle of the 2018-19 Super Bowl quest.

PBmax had some reference to a twitter dude who had broken down all the numbers showing that Cobb has among the highest separation of all receivers in the NFL. In statistical terms, it's inarguable and convincing. Still, productivity-wise, Cobb has been pretty much stalled out at around 600 yards, 5 TDs for the past 3 years.

[texaspackerbacker]

At $10 million, Cobb makes more than about 7 receivers put together (everybody other than D. Adams), all of whom arguably are better than him at this point of his career IMO.

[pbmax]

PBmax had some reference to a twitter dude who had broken down all the numbers showing that Cobb has among the highest separation of all receivers in the NFL. In statistical terms, it's inarguable and convincing. Still, productivity-wise, Cobb has been pretty much stalled out at around 600 yards, 5 TDs for the past 3 years.

Nah, it wasn't statistical. It was video clips of Cobb open and no one throwing him the ball during Hundley ball. Still cannot find the clips.

In the same way the McCarthy offense has devolved to the Rodgers extended play offense, Cobb is hurt by the everyone run 7 yards and turn around offense.

I believe the offense doesn't help him AND that he is probably a step slower than what he was. But should M3 wake up and help his players escape press coverage quickly, I think he could still be devastating.

The entire offense, like Jordy, has been regressing in Yards Per Attempt for a few years. There were some exceptions last year with AR and during the 6 game hot stretch in 2016. But its not just Cobb who looks pedestrian in this offense now. Adams is the only one who looks dominant because he can get off the line like a coiled spring.

[pbmax]

At $10 million, Cobb makes more than about 7 receivers put together (everybody other than D. Adams), all of whom arguably are better than him at this point of his career IMO.

So you prefer Allison and Davis over Cobb in the starting lineup? None of the other WR have caught a ball in a game that counts.

This is the KGB situation all over again, except Cullen Jenkins isn't on the bench.

[mraynrand]

Nah, it wasn't statistical. It was video clips of Cobb open and no one throwing him the ball during Hundley ball. Still cannot find the clips.

maybe I had the wrong guy, but this guy had exact yards of separation/pass play. It was meticulous.

[pbmax]

maybe I had the wrong guy, but this guy had exact yards of separation/pass play. It was meticulous.

I believe it. They have that data now with player tracking.

Player tracking will influence a lot of coverage because you can infer a lot of things from clips and film plus targets and catch rate, but there is no guarantee they will survive location data on WR.

If you listened to people describe routes or look at a route tree in playbook form then looked at the WR route map from player tracking, you'd think it was two different sports.

[texaspackerbacker]

So you prefer Allison and Davis over Cobb in the starting lineup? None of the other WR have caught a ball in a game that counts.

This is the KGB situation all over again, except Cullen Jenkins isn't on the bench.

I prefer Valdez-Scantling starting. Of the 9 or so Packer WRs, I'd prefer almost any of them over Cobb at this stage of his career.

[Tony Oday]

Cobb will have 1000 yards and 5 TDs this season.

[mraynrand]

Cobb will have 1000 yards and 5 TDs this season.

That's a good bet, APRH. Last year, early on, Cobb was sneaking open underneath as teams were paying attention to and doubling Bennett, Nelson and Janis. When Rodgers got hurt and Bennett decompensated, there was no way for Cobb to really exploit coverage gaps - they either no long were there, or the QB couldn't distribute the ball.

[Zool]

That's a good bet, APRH. Last year, early on, Cobb was sneaking open underneath as teams were paying attention to and doubling Bennett, Nelson and Janis. When Rodgers got hurt and Bennett decompensated, there was no way for Cobb to really exploit coverage gaps - they either no long were there, or the QB couldn't distribute the ball.

Couldn't help yourself huh?

[mraynrand]

Couldn't help yourself huh?

forgive me

[texaspackerbacker]

Cobb will have 1000 yards and 5 TDs this season.

For what team is the question.

[run pMc]

In the same way the McCarthy offense has devolved to the Rodgers extended play offense, Cobb is hurt by the everyone run 7 yards and turn around offense.

I believe the offense doesn't help him AND that he is probably a step slower than what he was. But should M3 wake up and help his players escape press coverage quickly, I think he could still be devastating.

The entire offense, like Jordy, has been regressing in Yards Per Attempt for a few years. There were some exceptions last year with AR and during the 6 game hot stretch in 2016. But its not just Cobb who looks pedestrian in this offense now. Adams is the only one who looks dominant because he can get off the line like a coiled spring.

I couldn't agree more.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Does Adams look dominant? He's a good player, uses his body well. He's no James Lofton or Sterling Sharpe. He looks like an average #1 receiver to me - which is pretty damn good.

I think after about a month, the "Cobb kinda sucks" chorus is going to look foolish, just like last year. He's a starter quality guy, #2 guy.

[texaspackerbacker]

He doesn't exactly suck; He's just taking up a roster spot and $10 million of salary cap when there are probably 6-8 better WRs fighting for too few spots and all of them together getting paid less than Cobb.

[mraynrand]

He doesn't exactly suck; He's just taking up a roster spot and $10 million of salary cap when there are probably 6-8 better WRs fighting for too few spots and all of them together getting paid less than Cobb.

The other WRs with better speed or physical skills are totally raw. There's really no way to know right now that they'll be ready for the reg. season.

[pbmax]

Where does $10 mpy rank for WRs these days?

Its 20th.

Its a world where Sammy Watkins, Brandin Cooks, Alshon Jeffrey and Emanuel Sanders make more than he does.

https://overthecap.com/position/wide-receiver

[red]

Where does $10 mpy rank for WRs these days?

Its 20th.

Its a world where Sammy Watkins, Brandin Cooks, Alshon Jeffrey and Emanuel Sanders make more than he does.

https://overthecap.com/position/wide-receiver

thats a fun trick, using his total contract to make it not look so bad

he's actually counting 12.7 million against the cap this year, which is 8th highest in the nfl this season

8th highest for a guy who hasn't broken 830 yards and 6 tds in 3 years

8th highest for a wr who has only 1 thousand yard season in 7, and has also only had double digit tds once

[Fritz]

Damn, Red, you're sharp tonight.

[pbmax]

thats a fun trick, using his total contract to make it not look so bad

he's actually counting 12.7 million against the cap this year, which is 8th highest in the nfl this season

8th highest for a guy who hasn't broken 830 yards and 6 tds in 3 years

8th highest for a wr who has only 1 thousand yard season in 7, and has also only had double digit tds once

Objecting to one year out of the deal doesn't make sense. All deals vary year to year.

[mraynrand]

Objecting to one year out of the deal doesn't make sense. All deals vary year to year.

True, and Cobb is more experienced than the rookies/new guys at running straight out 7 yards, blanketed by a LB, standing around looking like an idiot until Rodgers starts scrambling for his life, then dancing around with hand raised to indicate he's 'open.' You need veterans who understand the offense.

[pbmax]

True, and Cobb is more experienced than the rookies/new guys at running straight out 7 yards, blanketed by a LB, standing around looking like an idiot until Rodgers starts scrambling for his life, then dancing around with hand raised to indicate he's 'open.' You need veterans who understand the offense.

Otherwise it will look like mass confusion and poor planning. M3 needs Cobb so he can maintain the facade of an "offense".

[texaspackerbacker]

Any mass confusion or the appearance of it is due to the pathetic O Line. You can run timing patterns or really routes of any kind if the QB is running for his life virtually every damn time. It's a miracle that Rodgers is as great as he is under those circumstances.

I was watching the Oakland feed of the game last night on NFL Network, and they were talking up how great Trgovac is as an O Line coach. I don't recall that he was any great shakes with the Packers. The difference is the GM procuring better talent, and we have the mediocrity Ted provided. Reggie McKenzie has apparently by skill or luck or whatever, provided Oakland with much more decent talent.

And they played up Ron Wolf too during last night's game. Did ya'all know, Ron Wolf was with the Raiders for 24 years! - in two stints, separated by a brief unsuccessful time with I think it was the Jets, all that before coming to the Packers ....... and now he is in the Hall of Fame. Why? Two reasons: The Favre trade, give him credit, I guess for that, although I'd say there was a large degree of luck also whether Favre was gonna become the superstar he did. The other thing Wolf did was sign Reggie White. I guess those two moves justify the Hall of Fame. He also gave us Ted and a culture of virtually never going after expensive free agent talent. Arguably, the Ted Thompson era would be a complete flop except for his one obvious success - will he end up in the Hall of Fame for drafting Aaron Rodgers? Who knows!

Anyway, in case ya'all who got the Packers feed on the game missed the Trgovac and Wolf stuff, I just figured I'd share that.

[mraynrand]

I was watching the Oakland feed of the game last night on NFL Network, and they were talking up how great Trgovac is as an O Line coach.

I somehow missed that one

[ThunderDan]

Any mass confusion or the appearance of it is due to the pathetic O Line. You can run timing patterns or really routes of any kind if the QB is running for his life virtually every damn time. It's a miracle that Rodgers is as great as he is under those circumstances.

I was watching the Oakland feed of the game last night on NFL Network, and they were talking up how great Trgovac is as an O Line coach. I don't recall that he was any great shakes with the Packers. The difference is the GM procuring better talent, and we have the mediocrity Ted provided. Reggie McKenzie has apparently by skill or luck or whatever, provided Oakland with much more decent talent.

And they played up Ron Wolf too during last night's game. Did ya'all know, Ron Wolf was with the Raiders for 24 years! - in two stints, separated by a brief unsuccessful time with I think it was the Jets, all that before coming to the Packers ....... and now he is in the Hall of Fame. Why? Two reasons: The Favre trade, give him credit, I guess for that, although I'd say there was a large degree of luck also whether Favre was gonna become the superstar he did. The other thing Wolf did was sign Reggie White. I guess those two moves justify the Hall of Fame. He also gave us Ted and a culture of virtually never going after expensive free agent talent. Arguably, the Ted Thompson era would be a complete flop except for his one obvious success - will he end up in the Hall of Fame for drafting Aaron Rodgers? Who knows!

Anyway, in case ya'all who got the Packers feed on the game missed the Trgovac and Wolf stuff, I just figured I'd share that.

You do know that all 5 starters on the OL did not dress, right?

[texaspackerbacker]

You do know that all 5 starters on the OL did not dress, right?

Would it have made a major difference? I doubt it, based on how even the starters generally play.

[Joemailman]

Any mass confusion or the appearance of it is due to the pathetic O Line. You can run timing patterns or really routes of any kind if the QB is running for his life virtually every damn time. It's a miracle that Rodgers is as great as he is under those circumstances.

I was watching the Oakland feed of the game last night on NFL Network, and they were talking up how great Trgovac is as an O Line coach. I don't recall that he was any great shakes with the Packers. The difference is the GM procuring better talent, and we have the mediocrity Ted provided. Reggie McKenzie has apparently by skill or luck or whatever, provided Oakland with much more decent talent.

And they played up Ron Wolf too during last night's game. Did ya'all know, Ron Wolf was with the Raiders for 24 years! - in two stints, separated by a brief unsuccessful time with I think it was the Jets, all that before coming to the Packers ....... and now he is in the Hall of Fame. Why? Two reasons: The Favre trade, give him credit, I guess for that, although I'd say there was a large degree of luck also whether Favre was gonna become the superstar he did. The other thing Wolf did was sign Reggie White. I guess those two moves justify the Hall of Fame. He also gave us Ted and a culture of virtually never going after expensive free agent talent. Arguably, the Ted Thompson era would be a complete flop except for his one obvious success - will he end up in the Hall of Fame for drafting Aaron Rodgers? Who knows!

Anyway, in case ya'all who got the Packers feed on the game missed the Trgovac and Wolf stuff, I just figured I'd share that.

That's some fascinating stuff considering Trgovac is, and was with the Packers a defensive line coach. I don't believe he's ever been an offensive line coach.

[Zool]

Would it have made a major difference? I doubt it, based on how even the starters generally play.

This is dumb even for you.

[texaspackerbacker]

That's some fascinating stuff considering Trgovac is, and was with the Packers a defensive line coach. I don't believe he's ever been an offensive line coach.

hahahaha I guess I heard wrong. I wasn't paying much attention, but I thought they were bragging up the Oakland O Line. Maybe it was D.

The Packers O Line still stinks, but with Rodgers, they can win anyway.

[Teamcheez1]

WIth Oren Burks hurt for an undetermined amount of time, ILB sure seems like an area of need. Martini and Thomas will fill in, but I'm not sure they're the answer.

I wonder if Navarro Bowman is an option? Jaguars just lost Marquis Lee. Trade one of our WR's for Dante Fowler.

[Joemailman]

WIth Oren Burks hurt for an undetermined amount of time, ILB sure seems like an area of need. Martini and Thomas will fill in, but I'm not sure they're the answer.

I wonder if Navarro Bowman is an option? Jaguars just lost Marquis Lee. Trade one of our WR's for Dante Fowler.

I think they'll wait until the final cutdowns to possibly pick someone up. Maybe someone with knowledge or Pettine's defense will become available.