Official Packers vs. Raiders Game Day Thread

[Joemailman]

Starts at 9:30.

Players to watch:

Hundley vs. Kizer vs. Boyle

Robert Tonyan - Can he push Kendricks for #3 TE spot?

Moore - Can he catch?

Kumerow - Is he hurt?

[CaptainKickass]

Obligatory game day post.

[Radagast]

Yes there is / should be interest beyond the hour that GB's 3rd preseason game begins. The depth of player positions i still being evaluated.

That 5th or 6th WR that may be called upon late in a season as may be needed.
The offensive or defensive lineman that may have to play in a critical position.
Who can block and who can't block?
Who has speed, but can't tackle?
Who does not have great speed, but makes football plays?

[red]

who the fuck is staying up that late?

what jackass thought it would be a good idea to have a game at 10:30 et and 9:30 in the area that one of the teams is from?

[Joemailman]

who the fuck is staying up that late?

what jackass thought it would be a good idea to have a game at 10:30 et and 9:30 in the area that one of the teams is from?

What are they supposed to do? Start the game at 5:00 local time? People who have to work wouldn't be able to get to the game on time.

[mraynrand]

What are they supposed to do? Start the game at 5:00 local time? People who have to work wouldn't be able to get to the game on time.

Who cares about them? Red cares about Red, damnit! :)

[Harlan Huckleby]

What are they supposed to do? Start the game at 5:00 local time? People who have to work wouldn't be able to get to the game on time.

What is wrong with 6:30 local time?

[red]

What are they supposed to do? Start the game at 5:00 local time? People who have to work wouldn't be able to get to the game on time.

so

if you're worried about people getting to the game from work, then don't have it on a fucking weekday

why are they even having games on a friday? games on sunday, monday, thursday and saturdays just not enough for the nfl?

[red]

Who cares about them? Red cares about Red, damnit! :)

this is true


What is wrong with 6:30 local time?

this would also is better

the way it is now, the game won't get done until after 1 in the morning on the east coast

[Fritz]

who the fuck is staying up that late?

what jackass thought it would be a good idea to have a game at 10:30 et and 9:30 in the area that one of the teams is from?

The Oakland locals want to see what Jordy can do before they're too fucked up to understand what's happening. Thus the 6:30 pm west coast start.

[ThunderDan]

Let’s go!

When I lived in Indio, I loved 10am Packer games. Games is over by 1 and you have the whole afternoon to do whatever.

[Joemailman]

The Oakland locals want to see what Jordy can do before they're too fucked up to understand what's happening. Thus the 6:30 pm west coast start.

7:30 west coast. 6:30 somewhere out in the Pacific ocean.

[ThunderDan]

Let’s go.

[ThunderDan]

Touchback.

[ThunderDan]

Ugh, Alexander beat deep on first play.

[Rutnstrut]

Good to see the defense and stubby in mid season form.

[ThunderDan]

Run D looking good.

[red]

my god are we scary thin at ILB

[ThunderDan]

Sack by Gilbert against the 1s.

[red]

gilbert again, against a decent player

[ThunderDan]

my god are we scary thin at ILB

They need to sign someone at Ilb or move Clay inside and get anothe Olb.

[Joemailman]

Ugh, Alexander beat deep on first play.

HHCD was up at the line of scrimmage. Not bad coverage. Just giving up too mich size against Cooped.

[red]

still hundley #1

[ThunderDan]

HHCD was up at the line of scrimmage. Not bad coverage. Just giving up too mich size against Cooped.

He bit on a first move and let Cooper past him. A better throw is a TD.

[red]

They need to sign someone at Ilb or move Clay inside and get anothe Olb.
its pre season. theres no excuse for having an undrafted rookie as your only backup ILB

go get someone

[ThunderDan]

Hundley throws short to Monty with plenty of time to look deep.

[ThunderDan]

its pre season. theres no excuse for having an undrafted rookie as your only backup ILB

go get someone

The other one got hurt in warm ups.

[red]

that pass to the sideline seemed like it took forever to get there

[red]

The other one got hurt in warm ups.

is that when burkes got hurt, or was there another backup?

[ThunderDan]

The sloth with 2 quick catches.

[ThunderDan]

is that when burkes got hurt, or was there another backup?

Burkes took himself back to the locker room during warm ups with a shoulder injury.

[ThunderDan]

Kendricks drops a TD on a throw behind him.

[red]

nice drop by kendricks

is this the only field left with a stupid baseball diamond in the middle of the football field?

[red]

fat mike in mid season form with getting the plays in on time

[ThunderDan]

nice drop by kendricks

is this the only field left with a stupid baseball diamond in the middle of the football field?

SF use to have one before the new stadium. I think SD did too.

[red]

Burkes took himself back to the locker room during warm ups with a shoulder injury.

isn't burkes the starter now?

[red]

SF use to have one before the new stadium. I think SD did too.

so this is the last one

they can't go away fast enough IMO

[red]

LOL

cobb is allowed to take the night off

guess he's a lock

[Joemailman]

Kendricks and Bell not helping themselves.

[Joemailman]

How do you injure your shoulder in pregame?

[ThunderDan]

Ugh, quick out, jail break screen for big yards.

[ThunderDan]

HaHa with a good play.

[ThunderDan]

Alright, D stiffened and forced a punt.

[red]

How do you injure your shoulder in pregame?

he plays for the packers

[wthigoot]

How do you injure your shoulder in pregame?

Probably different than injuring your shoulder when diving into the end zone on a long reception for a touchdown. Maybe shoulders will be the thing this year even though hamstrings had the early lead.

[Rutnstrut]

How do you injure your shoulder in pregame?

First step, be any position on the Packer defense. The rest will just fall into place.

[ThunderDan]

Great punt and coverage, netted 46 yards.

[ThunderDan]

Good play by Jackson.

[ThunderDan]

Bad run D there. Gilbert gives up contain.

[ThunderDan]

Alexander with the pick.

[ThunderDan]

I think that should be Oakland’s ball. Alexander not touched going to the ground and he let the ball go thinking he was down.

[mraynrand]

I think that should be Oakland’s ball. Alexander not touched going to the ground and he let the ball go thinking he was down.

refs just assumed he gave himself up.

[wthigoot]

Alexander with the pick.

Beat but made it up and got the pick. Good play, Shields like. More of that.

J'Mon Moore for the first down. More of that.

[mraynrand]

Can Packer receivers even get open on their first cut? Every pass play seems to be a scramble. Sucky QB play may contribute.

[mraynrand]

Spriggs is inadequate

[ThunderDan]

Netted 45 on 2nd punt.

[Joemailman]

Murphy really got manhandled on sack.

[wthigoot]

Fackrell was there, forced runner back to Martinez.

[mraynrand]

Weird. So the Raiders have the Tomb of the Unknown Owner?

[ThunderDan]

46 yard punt fair caught

[ThunderDan]

Time to go to bed.

[Joemailman]

So does Hundley playing this long mean he's the backup?

[mraynrand]

Murphy is inadequate.

[mraynrand]

Hundley is inadequate.

[mraynrand]

Montgomery has a decisive lead for the Terry Glenn award for yet another year, and it isn't even regular season yet.

[Harlan Huckleby]

So does Hundley playing this long mean he's the backup?

I just woke up. This is all I need to know about the game for now. Is it morning yet? Bye

[bobblehead]

The Oakland locals want to see what Jordy can do before they're too fucked up to understand what's happening. Thus the 6:30 pm west coast start.

It was 7:30 west coast. Viva Las Vegas Raiders!!

Quick honest question. Is Mercedes Lewis the 3rd best tackle on this team?

[texaspackerbacker]

Nobody's posting? Are you guys too tired or what?

The O Line has absolutely stunk it up! Hundley was, as I expected, way better than Kizer so far, although neither has had any decent blocking. Those Hundley detractors can't whine too much about him when Kizer has been worse against the pass rush and less accurate.

[texaspackerbacker]

ok, I brought Kizer luck by complaining about him hahahaha. Nice pass.

[texaspackerbacker]

The pass blocking got better when damn Murphy and Spriggs went out.

[bobblehead]

How do you injure your shoulder in pregame?

How ya get fired on your day off?

[pbmax]

SPRIGGS™ watch will have to wait for the 4th game. Was otherwise occupied tonight. Glad the offense is in midseason form.

[texaspackerbacker]

Does anybody have anything good to say about Kizer? Hundley was mediocre, but Kizer absolutely sucked against worse competition.

Both, however, can thank the shittiness of the O Line from top to bottom for making their job near impossible.

[MadScientist]

Does anybody have anything good to say about Kizer? Hundley was mediocre, but Kizer absolutely sucked against worse competition.

Both, however, can thank the shittiness of the O Line from top to bottom for making their job near impossible.

The o-line was truly pathetic. If the Packers have to use backup tackles in a real game, Rodgers should fake an injury, otherwise he will ge a real one.

As for Kizer, at least he has an NFL arm. Hundley will not be substantially better than he was last year. Kizer at lest has a chance to be adequate.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

As for Kizer, at least he has an NFL arm. Hundley will not be substantially better than he was last year. Kizer at lest has a chance to be adequate.

Well said, Mad. The Hun has poor pocket awareness, and he needs glasses.

Speaking of Mad, I'm wondering where the fuck is Madtown. The Fed has finally caught up with him and his empire of dope, or something?

[mraynrand]

The pass blocking got better when damn Murphy and Spriggs went out.

maybe something more obvious happened

[texaspackerbacker]

How can anybody still claim Kizer is better than Hundley? NFL arm? He couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. And whether you can say he hesitated or just was the victim of horrible O Line blocking, he was worse than Hundley at escaping the pass rush.

Cut or trade if possible or whatever, I hope it is Kizer, not Hundley that goes.

[Teamcheez1]

Listened to the game on the radio, will watch the replay from NFL network later.

Some thoughts:
1. The back-up O-line had a poor day all the way around. Murphy struggled the most. Spriggs is serviceable. It will be interesting to see who makes the final cuts.
2. Hundley outplayed Kizer, but overall neither have impressed through the preseason. I don't think Hundley has improved much at all, but he may end up as QB2.
3. Oren Burks hurt during warm-ups. This could be a big problem
4. Ty Montgomery hurt during the game. This guy will never make it through the season.
5. J'Mon Moore played better and will be on the 53.
6. Didn't hear Kumerow's name because of his injury.
7. I think the secondary is greatly improved from last year.
8. Our punter looks good!

Overall a few bright spots, but mostly a trashy game played by back-ups. I may not waste my time with the KC game next week.

[Pugger]

Nobody's posting? Are you guys too tired or what?

The O Line has absolutely stunk it up! Hundley was, as I expected, way better than Kizer so far, although neither has had any decent blocking. Those Hundley detractors can't whine too much about him when Kizer has been worse against the pass rush and less accurate.

It is hard to say if Kizer stinks less than Hundley when Kizer is playing with guys that most likely won't make it to the PS.

[ThunderDan]

Looked at the box score.
Kizer - 11/23 120
Hundley - 8/14 78

Both lines look poor. Watching the first half Hundley looked better than last year but not backup QB.

[pbmax]

You can survive one mediocre performer on the O line and maybe even two. But its hard to recover from 3 poor performances.

https://twitter.com/Raiders/status/1033196090147782661

Spriggs never lost control of his guy but he was being walked back just too fast. And when Hundley had two other guys headed toward him, he had no escape routes.

[texaspackerbacker]

It is hard to say if Kizer stinks less than Hundley when Kizer is playing with guys that most likely won't make it to the PS.

He was also playing AGAINST Raider scrubs - Hundley played against the upper level Oakland D players.

[MadScientist]

Kizer isn't ready yet. Hundley never will be.

[texaspackerbacker]

Hundley's biggest problem last year and this preseason is rotten O Line play. Ditto that for Kizer with the Packers. Anything negative you can say about Hundley, Kizer is that and worse: poor accuracy throwing, slowness to react to the pass rush, etc., and Hundley at least tends to have a streak of carefulness while Kizer puts it up for grabs. He easily could have had several pick sixes last night - in keeping with his interception numbers with Cleveland.

[Zool]

Hundley biggest problem is his lack of skill at playing NFL football. Other than that, he’d be fine.

[red]

i keep thinking about his past last night on the first series where he threw an out to the sideline, and the ball seemed to be traveling in slow motion

you gotta have a big arm in our system to make those throws without having them jumped every time

[mraynrand]

I keep thinking that because of the TV coverage, I really have no idea if any receivers were really open on Hundley's first or second read. Haven't watched the second half yet.

Hell, the TV didn't even have a replay to show the 'holding' on the Jackson pick-six. I guess it's preseason with fewer cameras, but makes it hard to know much of anything.

[Joemailman]

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CB Josh Jackson - 95.7
DI Kenny Clark - 91.0
LB Greer Martini - 84.0
ED Reggie Gilbert - 77.8
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QB Brett Hundley - 74.7
HB LeShun Daniels - 70.4
LT Jason Spriggs - 70.1

6:19 PM - Aug 25, 2018.

[The Shadow]

The Packers KNOW that Hundley just does not have the right stuff. They should have seen enough of Kizer to know he will never be the answer, either. Roll the damn dice & work intensively with Boyle.

[mraynrand]

Saw the second half. Kizer does a really nice job of standing in the pocket, good mechanics, accurate throws, and seems to enjoy tossing the ball into coverage.

[texaspackerbacker]

not, not, not, and hell yeah.

[pbmax]

The Packers KNOW that Hundley just does not have the right stuff. They should have seen enough of Kizer to know he will never be the answer, either. Roll the damn dice & work intensively with Boyle.

They should have known this about Hudley, but fooled themselves. I don't know if I trust their judgement about Kizer with this short a time frame.

Boyle is too raw and has only competed against 3rd and 4th string. I would rather dump the first two and sign a vet this year while giving Boyle more time.

Boyle is the same camp story as Hundley, Callahan and Hill. He's proven nothing yet except he can succeed against sub-replacement level talent.

[texaspackerbacker]

The Packers KNOW that Hundley just does not have the right stuff. They should have seen enough of Kizer to know he will never be the answer, either. Roll the damn dice & work intensively with Boyle.

I'm tempted to agree with this - for sure about Kizer. I can't help thinking, though, that the irrational Hundley-hate in this forum is not much shared by the Packer staff or NFL people in general. Boyle certainly looked good, but against pretty low level competition.

The bottom line in all cases, both this preseason and last year is that they all were handicapped by a rotten O Line.

[pbmax]

The bottom line in all cases, both this preseason and last year is that they all were handicapped by a rotten O Line.

There are two problems with this claim.

One is that you are mainly complaining about backups now. There are definite concerns about depth here.

Two, Rodgers routinely has mountains of time to complete passes. Saying they are horrible flies in the face of all evidence of Rodger performance, He dances back there for 3+ second more than any quarterback including Wilson. No other team asks the O line to block longer.

I would agree that their performance is probably not league best by the numbers, because Rodgers can extend the play on his own at times and its not always the O line that should get the credit for those 5+ second wait times or rollouts. But Rodgers routinely gets to sit back there and wait for something to open deep.

[Joemailman]

There are two problems with this claim.

One is that you are mainly complaining about backups now. There are definite concerns about depth here.

Two, Rodgers routinely has mountains of time to complete passes. Saying they are horrible flies in the face of all evidence of Rodger performance, He dances back there for 3+ second more than any quarterback including Wilson. No other team asks the O line to block longer.

I would agree that their performance is probably not league best by the numbers, because Rodgers can extend the play on his own at times and its not always the O line that should get the credit for those 5+ second wait times or rollouts. But Rodgers routinely gets to sit back there and wait for something to open deep.

Correct. Perhaps no team in the NFL asks their OL to pass block longer than the Packers do. It's probably one reason why so many guys who play Guard for the Packers played LT in college. They're looking for pass blockers. Going hand in hand with this is McCarthy's insistence that his QB's have mobility. It's probably one reason why the Packers don't bring in an older veteran to be their backup. These types of guys are usually lacking in mobility. When MM got the HC job here, he put Rodgers through a series of agility tests to see if Rodgers had the mobility to run his offense. He quickly decided that Rodgers did.

[Harlan Huckleby]

It's probably one reason why so many guys who play Guard for the Packers played LT in college. They're looking for pass blockers.

Maybe this is true. But a lot of college teams play their best lineman at LT regardless of whether it is their ideal position. I imagine lots of guards in NFL played tackle in college.

[texaspackerbacker]

There are two problems with this claim.

One is that you are mainly complaining about backups now. There are definite concerns about depth here.

Two, Rodgers routinely has mountains of time to complete passes. Saying they are horrible flies in the face of all evidence of Rodger performance, He dances back there for 3+ second more than any quarterback including Wilson. No other team asks the O line to block longer.

I would agree that their performance is probably not league best by the numbers, because Rodgers can extend the play on his own at times and its not always the O line that should get the credit for those 5+ second wait times or rollouts. But Rodgers routinely gets to sit back there and wait for something to open deep.

That's why I included last season. Rodgers absolutely does NOT have "mountains of time to complete passes". He is forced to run for his life almost immediately after the snap virtually every pass play. The only reason he has time to complete passes is his excellent escapability. That, however, destroys any hope some people have for some semblance of a more traditional passing game - timing routes, set pass patterns, etc. It all devolves into a scramble drill, but Rodgers is so damn good that it still works out fine. When did you EVER see Rodgers get to "sit back there and wait for something to open up"? Like a lot of jobs, if our O Line is asked to work overtime, it's because they don't accomplish what they are supposed to in the primary time.

What I've seen this preseason that is worrisome is that even the brief periods when the first string line or most of it was in the game, there seemed to be no push at all, no holes for any running game.

[texaspackerbacker]

Correct. Perhaps no team in the NFL asks their OL to pass block longer than the Packers do. It's probably one reason why so many guys who play Guard for the Packers played LT in college. They're looking for pass blockers. Going hand in hand with this is McCarthy's insistence that his QB's have mobility. It's probably one reason why the Packers don't bring in an older veteran to be their backup. These types of guys are usually lacking in mobility. When MM got the HC job here, he put Rodgers through a series of agility tests to see if Rodgers had the mobility to run his offense. He quickly decided that Rodgers did.

So you're saying the Packers and McCarthy PREFER to have everything break down into a scramble - like Fran Tarkenton and Aaron Rodgers - as opposed to having decent blocking and an orderly drop back - like Bart Starr and Tom Brady? Uh ....... I doubt it. It's all about shitty O Line personnel compared to good.

[mraynrand]

So you're saying the Packers and McCarthy PREFER to have everything break down into a scramble - like Fran Tarkenton and Aaron Rodgers - as opposed to having decent blocking and an orderly drop back - like Bart Starr and Tom Brady? Uh ....... I doubt it. It's all about shitty O Line personnel compared to good.

I think the Stubby offense was designed more to Rodger's skills of moving around and making plays. Especially after his 'total vertical game' was hurt by two+ deep defense and diminishment of receiving talent. The NE offense really seems to rely on Brady getting the ball out fast (which itself really relies on Brady's skill at recognizing the defense and finding the proper target quickly, often before the snap) versus great extended pass pro.

[pbmax]

That's why I included last season. Rodgers absolutely does NOT have "mountains of time to complete passes". He is forced to run for his life almost immediately after the snap virtually every pass play.

I just don't know what you are watching. There have been injury situations in the last two years where a shortcoming in pass pro was apparent, but its not a tire fire at all when the starters are available.

[red]

i don't know, maybe it has to do with a-rod just running around in the pocket on his own way too much. but you watch other lesser teams, and it sure seems like they give their QB's forever to get rid of the ball

just watching our games, the opponents always seem to have more time to throw

[texaspackerbacker]

i don't know, maybe it has to do with a-rod just running around in the pocket on his own way too much. but you watch other lesser teams, and it sure seems like they give their QB's forever to get rid of the ball

just watching our games, the opponents always seem to have more time to throw

That's a pretty accurate description of things - which came first, the chicken or the egg? We seriously are supposed to believe that Rodgers WANTS to run for his life instead of setting up in the pocket like so many other QBs are able to do, and McCarthy WANTS that as his primary offense?

I'd say it's pretty obvious that personnel and the resulting lack of pass blocking dictates what happens, NOT Rodgers and/or McCarthy wanting it that way. Others are entitled to their opinion, but that's mine.

[mraynrand]

i don't know, maybe it has to do with a-rod just running around in the pocket on his own way too much. but you watch other lesser teams, and it sure seems like they give their QB's forever to get rid of the ball

Depends who 'they' are. I've seen a lot of pretty piss poor pass pro.



just watching our games, the opponents always seem to have more time to throw

And this is often true without the above being false. Perspective matters.