More Banjo: Week 1 versus Bears

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I never doubted it for a minute.

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This weeks discussion points:

1. Should Cobb have gone OOB at the 1?

2. Should Clay Matthews be a) benched, b) cut, c) traded to Inter-Milan, d) traded to the Chargers?

3. Would you donate a meniscus or MCL to Rodgers for surgery in the bye week?

4. Why did McCarthy call a screen on 2nd and forever with 58 seconds left when the Bears had no timeouts?

5. Do you agree with red and a few other posters that Rodgers injured his knee BEFORE the DT hit him? He seemed to suggest that with Tafoya in the post game.

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What knee did Rodgers injure in high school that has bothered him forever? Was it the left (same as injury tonight)?

[Tony Oday]

He can have my leg if he needs it, they can call me hoppy.

[ThunderDan]

The big piece that we added on O was pretty much MIA tonight. Graham had 2 catches for 8 yards.

[Joemailman]

Cobb should not have gone OOB. Nothing is certain until you're in the end zone.

[ThunderDan]

Cobb should not have gone OOB. Nothing is certain until you're in the end zone.

Absolutely, only take a knee at the 1 if you need a FG to win.

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Ian O'Connor @Ian_OConnor
Tom Brady once told an NFL coach, if Aaron Rodgers had Patriots' offensive scheme & institutional knowledge on opposing defenses, "He'd throw for 7,000 yards every year. He's so much more talented than me."

Scott Kacsmar @FO_ScottKacsmar
"Institutional knowledge on opposing defenses" is quite a phrase.

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Maybe not contradicting the Doc?

Michael Cohen @Michael_Cohen13
Rodgers on his knee injury: “Came back in, did some tests, felt like I couldn’t further injure it at the time, so Doc and I agreed that I could come back and play.” #Packers

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Wes Hodkiewicz @WesHod
Tramon Williams had one word to define Aaron Rodgers’ second-half performance: “Surgical” #Packers

Aaron Nagler @AaronNagler
Khalil Mack owned the first half and disappeared in the second half.

Michael Cohen @Michael_Cohen13
Rodgers on playing with less mobility: “I have to get the ball out. I can’t be moving around a whole lot back there.” Rodgers told McCarthy he wanted to be in pistol or shotgun, not under center. #Packers

Green Bay Packers @packers
Rodgers: I'm really proud of our team. After it was decided I would come back in, I knew it might give us a little jolt...The protection was really good & guys made plays. #CHIvsGB

Michael Cohen @Michael_Cohen13
Rodgers on the nature of his injury: “We’ll do tests tomorrow, and I’ll have a better answer for you when I talk Wednesday.” #Packers

HE TOLD TAFOYA HE WOULD PLAY NEXT WEEK BUT PERHAPS THERE IS MORE TO IT?

Michael Cohen @Michael_Cohen13
Rodgers said he knew the #Packers would win the moment he walked onto the field at the start of the second half. Might as well go out and win, he thought.

Michael Cohen @Michael_Cohen13
Rodgers: “I was in a lot of pain. The first thing when you’re in some pain is you want to get off the field, you want to walk off the field. ... I wanted to let Doc give it a quick check.” #Packers

Michael Cohen @Michael_Cohen13
Rodgers said he doesn’t know what exactly the injury is right now. “I’ve got a lot of swelling.” #Packers

[Bossman641]

Ian O'Connor @Ian_OConnor
Tom Brady once told an NFL coach, if Aaron Rodgers had Patriots' offensive scheme & institutional knowledge on opposing defenses, "He'd throw for 7,000 yards every year. He's so much more talented than me."

Scott Kacsmar @FO_ScottKacsmar
"Institutional knowledge on opposing defenses" is quite a phrase.

Is that code for cheating? Taping the other teams' practices and stuff like that?

[Joemailman]

Hate to be a Nervous Nellie, but I won't relax until we here that Rodgers doesn't need surgery.

[Rutnstrut]

Maybe not contradicting the Doc?

Michael Cohen @Michael_Cohen13
Rodgers on his knee injury: “Came back in, did some tests, felt like I couldn’t further injure it at the time, so Doc and I agreed that I could come back and play.” #Packers




Translation. It's fucked and they shot some drugs into it so he could give us one great show in 2018.

[Bossman641]

Translation. It's fucked and they shot some drugs into it so he could give us one great show in 2018.

Rut...never change. You could win a $1,000,000 lottery and you'd complain it wasn't $1,000,001

[Bossman641]

Michael Cohen @Michael_Cohen13
Rodgers on playing with less mobility: “I have to get the ball out. I can’t be moving around a whole lot back there.” Rodgers told McCarthy he wanted to be in pistol or shotgun, not under center. #Packers

Depending on how long this lasts it will be real important to get Aaaron Jones back. I'm not sure Williams is quick/explosive enough for the pistol or shotgun.

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Is that code for cheating? Taping the other teams' practices and stuff like that?

I think its code for having a better breakdown of what defenses want to do to offenses, and what adjustments they make when you motion, etc. than any other team.

Belichick alone has more historical knowledge of defense than almost any other professional coach.

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I don't think they let him go back out with a torn ACL because the chance of something worse happening is pretty good given lack of knee stability.

But it could be almost any other ligament or cartilage.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Ian O'Connor @Ian_OConnor
Tom Brady once told an NFL coach, if Aaron Rodgers had Patriots' offensive scheme & institutional knowledge on opposing defenses, "He'd throw for 7,000 yards every year. He's so much more talented than me."

Scott Kacsmar @FO_ScottKacsmar
"Institutional knowledge on opposing defenses" is quite a phrase.

J-Mac, TB12 told. No wonder McDaniels changed his mind. Waiting for the opportunity to coach the GAB.

[Carolina_Packer]

Hoping for the best. The game is better with 12 out there.

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Gonna give this a shot, video from Packers.com



https://twitter.com/i/status/1039007815531159552

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From JSO's roundup:

Bucci Mane @Buccigross
This is the first time Aaron Rodgers has thrown 3 TD passes in the fourth quarter of his NFL career.

Eric Edholm @Eric_Edholm
Question to Rodgers: “what do you think when you see you’re down 20-0?”

Rodgers: “Sevn times three. Three touchdowns.”

Shea Serrano @SheaSerrano
gonna be crazy when we find out tomorrow that aaron rodgers actually played on two broken legs

Charlotte Wilder @TheWilderThings
It's wild that Aaron Rodgers had his bones replaced with steel in that medical tent on the sideline

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dms6jjsU8AIzfwW.jpg

[Rutnstrut]

Rut...never change. You could win a $1,000,000 lottery and you'd complain it wasn't $1,000,001

I definitely don't want him to be hurt worse. But I always expect the worst, then anything better is a pleasant surprise. Plus the Packer medical staff doesn't instill confidence.

A Packer season without hope is a dismal, boring season. Without AR there is little hope.

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DmtKsaJW0AACa8h.jpg:large

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Michael Cohen @Michael_Cohen13

Rodgers on what this game means: “This is what we’re paid to do. We’re paid to deal with injuries and play through them. ... That’s the measure of a teammate is what are you willing to put on the line for your team.” #Packers

[Joemailman]

https://pics.me.me/idonttocare-how-many-timesiwatchthe-ers-beatthe-bears-the-bears-still-14253375.png

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Wes Hodkiewicz @WesHod
Davante Adams on Randall Cobb's 142-yard performance: "That was vintage Cobb right there. That’s why he’s here and continues to makes plays." #Packers



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgQLliI-QHs

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JJ Zachariason @LateRoundQB
So, according to @numberFire Live, the Bears have ~90% odds to win right now. Why would you risk Rodgers' health? http://live.numberfire.com/nfl/6936

Unfortunately, his feed got a little angry for a while as he patiently explained he took it back after seeing Rodgers drive for a FG. But the best response was Gelhar's:

Alex Gelhar @AlexGelhar
Never tell Aaron Rodgers the odds.

[Joemailman]

Mark Tauscher
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@MarkTauscher65
Aaron Rodgers just out Willis Reeded Willis Reed. #Packers

10:30 PM - Sep 9, 2018



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I regret nothing. Except this.

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Why would the Packers even consider putting Aaron Rodgers back on the field given what Khalil Mack has been doing?

10:23 PM - Sep 9, 2018.

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Rodgers throw in clip form: https://twitter.com/DustyEvely/status/1039007288382636032


https://vimeo.com/289075088


Allison's catch, which somehow might have been better than the throw: https://twitter.com/DustyEvely/status/1039009035129970688


https://vimeo.com/289075878

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https://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2018/09/10/packers-defense-holds-bears-down-key-comeback/1226599002/

Well, it sounds like a different defense. We'll see.

https://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2018/09/10/packers-defense-holds-bears-down-key-comeback/1226599002/


The Bears’ final 51 plays of the evening, spanning three quarters, totaled just 154 more yards. They didn’t score another touchdown, settling for just two field goals.

The Bears went 3 for 4 on third down in those first 15 plays, just 4-for-13 the rest of the way.

“We expected a lot of man on third-and-short and they came out and played a bunch of zone,” Nagy said. “Credit to them for mixing it up. A lot of our calls were built for man. We had some risky calls that we just went with and we blew them and they just made plays that we didn’t. Just have to go back to the film, continue to learn and, like I said, it’s tough when we don’t have on-scout looks.

“We don’t know what they’re going to bring and you’ve just got to trust the play and hopefully our execution beats theirs. But, credit to them for coming up with those stops and we’ve just got to do better because those are big plays.”

Weather the storm.

“Once everything settled down,” Clark began, slapping a fist into an open palm. “It went perfect.”

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[wootah]

Don't take this greatness for granted, ladies & gentlemen


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[Fosco33]

Yes - I think injury before the hit.

On the dropped INT - no one seemed to noticed who tipped the ball... yes, it was Mack. He’s scary good. The Bears may be 9win team.

If MCL is sprained and Arod has to sit for 2 weeks to be 80% - would you? Or a 60% Arod all year and probably cost a few games without his feet (all those scramble runs, etc).

[ThunderDan]

Yes - I think injury before the hit.

On the dropped INT - no one seemed to noticed who tipped the ball... yes, it was Mack. He’s scary good. The Bears may be 9win team.

If MCL is sprained and Arod has to sit for 2 weeks to be 80% - would you? Or a 60% Arod all year and probably cost a few games without his feet (all those scramble runs, etc).

If we run more quick hitters and timing routes, I am all for 60% ARod. If we run the offense of the first half, I say let him sit.

[Fosco33]

And yes - it was same knee in high school. If he has a partial tear - it may be out of his hands

[red]

to me, this was kinda like the monday night game after favres dad died

favre was just being favre that night, throwing shit up up for grabs all over the place, but other guys like javon, played out of their asses to make him look so good. and favre got 100% of the credit

a rod was just being a rod in the second half, but the blocking got much better, the calls got better, and when the hell was the last time cobb took one to the house? other then the perfect pass to geronimo (who made an equally perfect catch), a-rod really wasn't playing like the sun shines out of his ass

it was his playing that motivated the team to play so well, but the team did step up

which makes you wonder, just like that monday night game so long ago, why can't the players get that motivated all the time?

[red]

If we run more quick hitters and timing routes, I am all for 60% ARod. If we run the offense of the first half, I say let him sit.

yup, change the offence to what we saw in the second half, and keep it there

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Yes - I think injury before the hit.

On the dropped INT - no one seemed to noticed who tipped the ball... yes, it was Mack. He’s scary good. The Bears may be 9win team.

If MCL is sprained and Arod has to sit for 2 weeks to be 80% - would you? Or a 60% Arod all year and probably cost a few games without his feet (all those scramble runs, etc).


Yes, but the bigger issue was Adams on the turf.

[bobblehead]

https://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2018/09/10/packers-defense-holds-bears-down-key-comeback/1226599002/

Well, it sounds like a different defense. We'll see.

https://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2018/09/10/packers-defense-holds-bears-down-key-comeback/1226599002/

On the bears final scoring drive to get the FG to go up 6 I bitched that it looked like the same old defense that puts us in a hole, plays great while ARod brings us back then gives up a time consuming drive to blow it late. Then we stopped them on a 4 down drive. Then because Clay is a moron we did it a second time. Maybe just maybe this is a different defense.

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

to me, this was kinda like the monday night game after favres dad died

favre was just being favre that night, throwing shit up up for grabs all over the place, but other guys like javon, played out of their asses to make him look so good. and favre got 100% of the credit

a rod was just being a rod in the second half, but the blocking got much better, the calls got better, and when the hell was the last time cobb took one to the house? other then the perfect pass to geronimo (who made an equally perfect catch), a-rod really wasn't playing like the sun shines out of his ass

it was his playing that motivated the team to play so well, but the team did step up

which makes you wonder, just like that monday night game so long ago, why can't the players get that motivated all the time?

Awhile ago, I voted for Favre as packers GOAT cause he brought so much excitement to packer football. My reasoning was Rodgers is so methodical almost boring in his wins. After last night, I would like to change my vote.

[Cheesehead Craig]

And yes - it was same knee in high school. If he has a partial tear - it may be out of his hands

I'm no anatomy expert, but I am fairly certain that a knee injury is definitely out of the hands, regardless of hand size.

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I am just happy to live in a world where Geronimo Allison is a deep threat.

What a country :D

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Packer Report @PackerReport
Rodgers wanted 12-men penalty on the third down but I don't think he was right, having watched the defenders run off.

This was just before the 4th and 9 down that then a FG I think.

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On the bears final scoring drive to get the FG to go up 6 I bitched that it looked like the same old defense that puts us in a hole, plays great while ARod brings us back then gives up a time consuming drive to blow it late. Then we stopped them on a 4 down drive. Then because Clay is a moron we did it a second time. Maybe just maybe this is a different defense.

I think this is still part of this defense. There was a nice blitz on that drive, but he didn't blitz as frequently as Capers.

But he obviously wanted pressure with four and wasn't getting it until the end when they had to pass.

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Michael Cohen @Michael_Cohen13
Kentrell Brice, Kevin King, Blake Martinez, Ha Ha Clinton-Dix and Tramon Williams all played 100 percent of snaps against the #Bears.

Game Book hasn't posted snap counts yet.

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According to @WesHod, King, Jackson and Williams started at CB. Alexander/Jackson were the nickel/dime CB and Whitehead was the nickel safety/LB hybrid.


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[ThunderDan]

Why is Mike Daniels playing less than 50% of the defensive snaps?

[pbmax]

A very good question and I have no idea. Is he still going at half speed after missing part of camp with an injury?

[pbmax]

A very good question and I have no idea. Is he still going at half speed after missing part of camp with an injury?

The other question is where was House? He didn't start and, if he played, it was less than 12 snaps out of 70.

[Patler]

Why is Mike Daniels playing less than 50% of the defensive snaps?

Attitude, maybe? I read a paragraph in an article about a week or two ago that suggested Daniels was in the doghouse from last year, still. It reported that the coaches (last year) were very frustrated with him for freelancing way too much and ignoring their demands to stick to his assignments. (Maybe the reason for Trgovac's firing? Not getting through to Daniels?) Anyway, the article suggested that Daniels might have to prove himself to the new D-staff before being relied on as much as previous years.

[pbmax]

Attitude, maybe? I read a paragraph in an article about a week or two ago that suggested Daniels was in the doghouse from last year, still. It reported that the coaches (last year) were very frustrated with him for freelancing way too much and ignoring their demands to stick to his assignments. (Maybe the reason for Trgovac's firing? Not getting through to Daniels?) Anyway, the article suggested that Daniels might have to prove himself to the new D-staff before being relied on as much as previous years.

Link or source?

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Wes Hodkiewicz @WesHod
McCarthy on Aaron Rodgers: "We're still collecting all the information on his specific situation. I know Aaron wants to play and is driven to play, but that's all I have for right now." #Packers

There won't be official word until Wednesday. It'll start leaking tomorrow.

Packer Report @PackerReport
McCarthy was planning to go with Kizer until they were returning to the field for the third quarter.

Tom Silverstein @TomSilverstein
McCarthy said there was a medical protocol that was followed that allowed Rodgers to return to the game. Said he was planning to go with Kizer until McKenzie and Rodgers told him he could play.

Michael Cohen @Michael_Cohen13
McCarthy said the coaching staff was preparing to play with DeShone Kizer in the second half. He got a chance to speak with Rodgers and McKenzie on his way back onto the field, and that's when he learned Rodgers was cleared to play. #Packers

Packer Report @PackerReport
Too many mental errors, execution wasn't good enough to start game. Bears played "half step" faster. Got to learn from those mistakes today, MM says.

Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Packers’ HC Mike McCarthy said “no decision has been made” about whether Aaron Rodgers will play Sunday vs. the Vikings.

Packer Report @PackerReport
Injury limited MM's play-calling menu. Called only five of "first 15" plays list.

Packer Report @PackerReport
Kizer will "work a lot" at practice this week

Michael Cohen @Michael_Cohen13
McCarthy says Rodgers is walking around "in a pair of tennis shoes and socks if that helps with your story." #Packers

COULD STILL BE A PEG LEG AT THIS POINT. DEVELOPING ...

Tom Silverstein @TomSilverstein
McCarthy said he [it - ed] took Rodgers up to Saturday before the Atlanta game in '08 when he had a shoulder injury. "I don't think it will be like that. They'll go through the process and a decision will be made."

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Packer Report @PackerReport
McCarthy said secondary played very well; Brice had highest grade on that side of the ball.

SOMEONE GIVE HARVEY A PAT ON THE HEAD

Packer Report @PackerReport
Had the Bears scored a touchdown to start the second half, MM says he probably would have played Rodgers anyway - 24-0 or 20-0, "what's the difference?"

I THOUGHT THE POINCARÉ CONJECTURE SOLVED THIS?

Tom Silverstein @TomSilverstein
McCarthy said he didn't make any big changes on blocking Khalil Mack. Said the changes were more about handling things that were going on inside.

Michael Cohen @Michael_Cohen13
McCarthy said he has a lot of regrets about calling the screen pass with Kizer late in the half. In hindsight, he would have run the ball "and got out of there." McCarthy said "that's the call that kept me up last night." #Packers

ALL WE WANT IS AN APOLOGY.

AND SOME SUFFERING.

Michael Cohen @Michael_Cohen13
McCarthy said Trevor Davis showed up to the facility with hamstring pain over the weekend. He did a pregame workout Sunday and wasn't able to go. #Packers

NEW THEORY: TACO BELL RUN LATE FRIDAY NIGHT, BAD STEP OFF CURB. ALWAYS ORDER IN DRIVE THRU TREVOR!

[Tony Oday]

Ha Ha may have been on the field for 70 plays he sure as hell didn't play 70 plays. Man he is not good.

[mraynrand]

I guess it shouldn't surprise me that a soft! defense like the Packers wouldn't even field a strong safety.



According to @WesHod, King, Jackson and Williams started at CB. Alexander/Jackson were the nickel/dime CB and Whitehead was the nickel safety/LB hybrid.


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[mraynrand]

Attitude, maybe? I read a paragraph in an article about a week or two ago that suggested Daniels was in the doghouse from last year, still. It reported that the coaches (last year) were very frustrated with him for freelancing way too much and ignoring their demands to stick to his assignments. (Maybe the reason for Trgovac's firing? Not getting through to Daniels?) Anyway, the article suggested that Daniels might have to prove himself to the new D-staff before being relied on as much as previous years.

Maybe like blowing upfield on a pass rush and having zero vision that the QB is running right past you?

[Bossman641]

Link or source?

This is the only place I've seen it mentioned.

https://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2018/09/08/1-53-ranking-green-bay-packers-roster-changes-plentiful/1226236002/

8. MIKE DANIELS, DE

Once one of the top two or three players on defense, Daniels slipped some last year. He played in 60 percent of the snaps and finished with five sacks, six quarterback hits and three pressures. A former member of the organization said last year Daniels wouldn’t come out of the game when told, took chances that screwed up the scheme and was getting harder to control. He had a quiet camp due to a thigh injury, but one of the few practices where he was allowed to turn it loose, he dominated pass-rushing drills. Wilkerson, a New Jersey native like Daniels, may be able to convince his new teammate that there’s glory in sacrificing yourself so someone else can get to the quarterback. Daniels has all the talent in the world, he just needs to harness it.

[hoosier]

Wes Hodkiewicz @WesHod
McCarthy on Aaron Rodgers: "We're still collecting all the information on his specific situation. I know Aaron wants to play and is driven to play, but that's all I have for right now." #Packers

There won't be official word until Wednesday. It'll start leaking tomorrow.

Sounds like a sprain, except grade 2 is difficult to distinguish from complete tear without MRI so no way they'd have cleared him to play if it was 2. Symptoms are too severe for grade 1. So it must be something else. Could be cartilage, except you don't usually start to notice the symptoms till later when that stuff tears. Could be a bone bruise, but you would have expected a more forceful collision for that. Could be meat, could be cake.....

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This is the only place I've seen it mentioned.

https://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2018/09/08/1-53-ranking-green-bay-packers-roster-changes-plentiful/1226236002/

8. MIKE DANIELS, DE

Once one of the top two or three players on defense, Daniels slipped some last year. He played in 60 percent of the snaps and finished with five sacks, six quarterback hits and three pressures. A former member of the organization said last year Daniels wouldn’t come out of the game when told, took chances that screwed up the scheme and was getting harder to control. He had a quiet camp due to a thigh injury, but one of the few practices where he was allowed to turn it loose, he dominated pass-rushing drills. Wilkerson, a New Jersey native like Daniels, may be able to convince his new teammate that there’s glory in sacrificing yourself so someone else can get to the quarterback. Daniels has all the talent in the world, he just needs to harness it.

That sounds like Trgovac, but if Daniels is the 4th best player on D, I'd like to know where they are hiding the first three.

Clark might be that guy this year, but he wasn't last year.

[Fritz]

Packer Report @PackerReport
McCarthy said secondary played very well; Brice had highest grade on that side of the ball.

SOMEONE GIVE HARVEY A PAT ON THE HEAD

Packer Report @PackerReport
Had the Bears scored a touchdown to start the second half, MM says he probably would have played Rodgers anyway - 24-0 or 20-0, "what's the difference?"

I THOUGHT THE POINCARÉ CONJECTURE SOLVED THIS?

Tom Silverstein @TomSilverstein
McCarthy said he didn't make any big changes on blocking Khalil Mack. Said the changes were more about handling things that were going on inside.

Michael Cohen @Michael_Cohen13
McCarthy said he has a lot of regrets about calling the screen pass with Kizer late in the half. In hindsight, he would have run the ball "and got out of there." McCarthy said "that's the call that kept me up last night." #Packers

ALL WE WANT IS AN APOLOGY.

AND SOME SUFFERING.

Michael Cohen @Michael_Cohen13
McCarthy said Trevor Davis showed up to the facility with hamstring pain over the weekend. He did a pregame workout Sunday and wasn't able to go. #Packers

NEW THEORY: TACO BELL RUN LATE FRIDAY NIGHT, BAD STEP OFF CURB. ALWAYS ORDER IN DRIVE THRU TREVOR!

If you look at that replay, though, it was the execution of the play, not the call, that was the problem. Montgomery was there with three blockers in front of him; it's just that Kizer was getting hit and could not get the ball there or did not see Mack.

Sure, you probably ought to have gone into the lockerroom as was. On the other hand, you want to send a message to your team that you do in fact have confidence in the QB - and normally, a screen pass is a bit of a confidence-builder. But the blocking and execution was just off. Sure, you don't want to block too much, you want some penetration, but you have to at least slow down your guy.

I would like MM to stay awake at night because he's trying to figure out why his team came out of the gate a half step - hell, a full step - behind the Bears. Mr. Offensive Genius had a raggedy-ass-looking offense until he was forced to adjust his play-calling in the second half due to Rodgers's injury.

[Patler]

Link or source?

Nah. Somewhere in the junk I read from time to time. I have no desire or interest in spending one second trying to find it now.

[Pugger]

If you look at that replay, though, it was the execution of the play, not the call, that was the problem. Montgomery was there with three blockers in front of him; it's just that Kizer was getting hit and could not get the ball there or did not see Mack.

Sure, you probably ought to have gone into the lockerroom as was. On the other hand, you want to send a message to your team that you do in fact have confidence in the QB - and normally, a screen pass is a bit of a confidence-builder. But the blocking and execution was just off. Sure, you don't want to block too much, you want some penetration, but you have to at least slow down your guy.

I would like MM to stay awake at night because he's trying to figure out why his team came out of the gate a half step - hell, a full step - behind the Bears. Mr. Offensive Genius had a raggedy-ass-looking offense until he was forced to adjust his play-calling in the second half due to Rodgers's injury.

This isn't the first season where MM's teams come out of the gate slow.

[pbmax]

If you look at that replay, though, it was the execution of the play, not the call, that was the problem. Montgomery was there with three blockers in front of him; it's just that Kizer was getting hit and could not get the ball there or did not see Mack.

Sure, you probably ought to have gone into the lockerroom as was. On the other hand, you want to send a message to your team that you do in fact have confidence in the QB - and normally, a screen pass is a bit of a confidence-builder. But the blocking and execution was just off. Sure, you don't want to block too much, you want some penetration, but you have to at least slow down your guy.

I would like MM to stay awake at night because he's trying to figure out why his team came out of the gate a half step - hell, a full step - behind the Bears. Mr. Offensive Genius had a raggedy-ass-looking offense until he was forced to adjust his play-calling in the second half due to Rodgers's injury.

It just wasn't a situation that was going to end well even if things were running well with a backup QB. Had a long way to go on 2nd and 19 with 56 seconds left. Time to reset.

I think M3 and Rodgers both adjusted. Its a two way street and both sides of the highway are trying to throw deep.

#metaphor failure, system fault

[Patler]

I don't have a problem with the play call. I wouldn't necessarily be going all out trying to score in the last minute of the half, but I would try to run some legitimate plays, hopefully successfully, to give Kizer (and the offense as a whole) some success to build on. Taking a knee does nothing to give him confidence. A couple safe passes gaining a few yards could build his confidence.

Being scared to run real plays for fear of failure is like using your starters for about 10 plays in preseason for fear of injury. It might protect against the undesirable result, but it does nothing to prepare the team.

MM "plays it safe" more than I would like as it is.

[Tony Oday]

I feel like since they took away AR's legs he became A LOT more decisive and the offense were predators in the 2nd half.

[MadScientist]

I feel like since they took away AR's legs he became A LOT more decisive and the offense were predators in the 2nd half.

It started looking like a west coast offense. Quick read the progressions and get the ball out to stymie the rush and just move the chains. A couple of long throws thrown in to keep the defense honest, and let the receivers get YAC (and did they ever). For the most part, and by necessity, Rodgers 'Wait for a second receiver pattern to open up and get a big gain" was ditched. The whole offense was a lot more effective that way. Now if only MM, and to some extent Rodgers, would notice.

[red]

This isn't the first season where MM's teams come out of the gate slow.

gotta play the starters in pre season

[red]

I feel like since they took away AR's legs he became A LOT more decisive and the offense were predators in the 2nd half.

evryone likes to talk about how good a-rod is at extending plays

but maybe, just maybe. he would be much better if he just stood in the pocket and got the ball out quick, instead of looking for the long TD and thinking about escape routes

as he gets older, its something we HAVE to implement. and in that case we also have to completely change the blocking scheme imo

last night was not the first time we've seen the offense go into that type of scheme and have it work really well. stubby and a-rod just need to stick to it, and get away from that other shit they always go back to

[mraynrand]

^^^ Have to rely on the line. It might be that they got better in the second half because the defenders, in the first game of the season, were kinda gassed. I saw several plays in the fourth quarter where Bear lineman were just standing there. They looked spent.

[Teamcheez1]

Despite what half the whiners say on this forum, our O Line is not half bad. We don't have road grade maulers, but when they are on, they work as a pretty cohesive group.
Bulaga needed some time to get his feet under him and unfortunately it was against Mack in the first game. Mack will not have the impact he had last night on the second go round.
The communication and switching was off, and that favors a good defense like the Bears.
If Rodgers is healthy, we win going away at Soldier Field.

[red]

Despite what half the whiners say on this forum, our O Line is not half bad. We don't have road grade maulers, but when they are on, they work as a pretty cohesive group.
Bulaga needed some time to get his feet under him and unfortunately it was against Mack in the first game. Mack will not have the impact he had last night on the second go round.
The communication and switching was off, and that favors a good defense like the Bears.
If Rodgers is healthy, we win going away at Soldier Field.

scary thing is mack also missed all of training camp and pre season, so he's also just getting his legs back

the o-line play comes down to, do you think a-rod is suppose to be running around like a chicken with its head cut off by design, or does he do it because he has to? i have no doubt that rodgers makes the line look much better then it really is by his ability to get away. but at times he also makes it look worse by holding the ball forever

we kinda got the chicken or the egg thing going on

i would for oncelove to see the o-line actually make a pocket and stand their ground. not just, retreat, don't engage, retreat, don't engage, retreat some more and hope you don't back into the QB

[mraynrand]

Despite what half the whiners say on this forum, our O Line is not half bad. We don't have road grade maulers, but when they are on, they work as a pretty cohesive group.
Bulaga needed some time to get his feet under him and unfortunately it was against Mack in the first game. Mack will not have the impact he had last night on the second go round.
The communication and switching was off, and that favors a good defense like the Bears.
If Rodgers is healthy, we win going away at Soldier Field.

They were drafted to pass protect - agile guys with good feet mostly. Well, then there's McCray - but you can;'t have everything. The no-show pick from out west also has great feet, but so-so anchor. It's a passing league and you have the best passer in Rodgers, so it makes sense. Hope that line can block close to as well next week as quarters 3 and 4 last night. Might win the game.

[pbmax]

McCray is in his first year as a full time starter. He doesn't have a lot of live fire time with Linsley. Had to affect the interior, which is what McCarthy said they adjusted at halftime. Lotta pressure on Rodgers up the gut.

Bulaga and Mack may have both missed preseason, but Bulaga, in number of starts, is an old fogey coming off injury with a pretty hurried timeline. He's just over nine months now, isn't he? Mack is younger and healthier. Might have been better for the Packer if Week 1 had been 88º and humid during a day game, would have tired out the Bears D faster.

Rodgers gets a lot of time to throw normally, though since Lang that has been in more flux. I really thought they would call Evans at halftime. Rodgers escape artistry comes from learning how to escape the free rusher (Atlanta playoff) and the extended offense. I think he and McCarthy have become too reliant on it because of its success.

[Rutnstrut]

evryone likes to talk about how good a-rod is at extending plays

but maybe, just maybe. he would be much better if he just stood in the pocket and got the ball out quick, instead of looking for the long TD and thinking about escape routes

as he gets older, its something we HAVE to implement. and in that case we also have to completely change the blocking scheme imo

last night was not the first time we've seen the offense go into that type of scheme and have it work really well. stubby and a-rod just need to stick to it, and get away from that other shit they always go back to




That makes sense, but for it to work GB needs a solid line. What they have now is mediocre on a good day.

[Zool]

Despite what half the whiners say on this forum, our O Line is not half bad. We don't have road grade maulers, but when they are on, they work as a pretty cohesive group.
Bulaga needed some time to get his feet under him and unfortunately it was against Mack in the first game. Mack will not have the impact he had last night on the second go round.
The communication and switching was off, and that favors a good defense like the Bears.
If Rodgers is healthy, we win going away at Soldier Field.

The o-line was horrendous in the first half. When Chicago’s fat boys in the middle got tired in the second half is when the protection improved.

[Fritz]

It will be interesting to see if McCray can do better this week.

[pbmax]

It will be interesting to see if McCray can do better this week.

The worrying part is that as nuts as we thought it was to release Sitton, Lane Taylor was pretty solid from the get go.

Akeem Hicks is no picnic, but I'm not sure Taylor ever looked that bad replacing Sitton as McCray did replacing Evans.

[bobblehead]

Packer Report @PackerReport
McCarthy was planning to go with Kizer until they were returning to the field for the third quarter.


So basically Rodgers looked so good because he was using the Kizer 2nd half gameplan.

[bobblehead]

I don't have a problem with the play call. I wouldn't necessarily be going all out trying to score in the last minute of the half, but I would try to run some legitimate plays, hopefully successfully, to give Kizer (and the offense as a whole) some success to build on. Taking a knee does nothing to give him confidence. A couple safe passes gaining a few yards could build his confidence.

Being scared to run real plays for fear of failure is like using your starters for about 10 plays in preseason for fear of injury. It might protect against the undesirable result, but it does nothing to prepare the team.

MM "plays it safe" more than I would like as it is.

He could have called a run play and hammered mack...maybe have someone cut him and put his ass on the ground a couple times before half to take some steam out of his britches.

[bobblehead]

They were drafted to pass protect - agile guys with good feet mostly. Well, then there's McCray - but you can;'t have everything. The no-show pick from out west also has great feet, but so-so anchor. It's a passing league and you have the best passer in Rodgers, so it makes sense. Hope that line can block close to as well next week as quarters 3 and 4 last night. Might win the game.

I disagree and its part of the reason I bitch we don't run the ball enough. We don't allow the OL to beat up the DL. Bak, Bulaga, McCray and Linsley are actually ALL PLUS run blockers. Taylor is adequate. Maybe McCray is only adequate as a guard, haven't seen enough yet.

[pbmax]

The Packers learned something with that screen int though.

On the TD to Allison, they had a back release late not quite to the flat, almost a naked screen, on their right. Mack saw it and dropped his pass rush. Gave Rodgers one of the best pockets he had to that point for the throw.

I too like McCarthy to be aggressive generally. But throw it downfield.

[mraynrand]

I disagree and its part of the reason I bitch we don't run the ball enough. We don't allow the OL to beat up the DL. Bak, Bulaga, McCray and Linsley are actually ALL PLUS run blockers. Taylor is adequate. Maybe McCray is only adequate as a guard, haven't seen enough yet.

Yeah, I don't agree, but it's hard to argue the point, since the run game plays off the success of the passing game. I don't see this line being able to just line up and run the ball effectively, consistently, though they did for some stretches last year.

One thing perhaps we may agree on is that the offense is not patient, but I think that comes from an overall coaching philosophy to get ahead and force the opposition to play catch-up, and get them one-dimensional. Probably comes in part from less confidence in the defense.

Maybe with more confidence in the defense, they'll grind out a few more drives in the ground this year? Is that too hopeful?

[mraynrand]

The Packers learned something with that screen int though.

On the TD to Allison, they had a back release late not quite to the flat, almost a naked screen, on their right. Mack saw it and dropped his pass rush. Gave Rodgers one of the best pockets he had to that point for the throw.

Good observation. It looked strange when Mack stopped his pass rush, but there was no one else there with outside responsibility - probably because the receivers dragged the coverage downfield. An advantage of having a vertical passing offense versus the more horizontal offense of the Bears.

[Zool]

I don't have a problem with the play call. I wouldn't necessarily be going all out trying to score in the last minute of the half, but I would try to run some legitimate plays, hopefully successfully, to give Kizer (and the offense as a whole) some success to build on. Taking a knee does nothing to give him confidence. A couple safe passes gaining a few yards could build his confidence.

Agreed. I watched the play a couple more times and Mack made a hellova play. Once he recognized screen, he bounces back off Bulaga a yard or 2 and gets his eyes and hands up. Lindsley holds his block for 1 more second or Bulaga cuts Mack and it is a different outcome.

[Patler]

He could have called a run play and hammered mack...maybe have someone cut him and put his ass on the ground a couple times before half to take some steam out of his britches.

He could have, sure. I was thinking more about trying to get Kizer going, especially after the fumble.

[Packgator]

Clay Matthews is the lowest graded "edge rusher" in the entire league for week 1....

https://247sports.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/Article/Clay-Matthews-lowest-graded-edge-rusher--121750065/

[channtheman]

evryone likes to talk about how good a-rod is at extending plays

but maybe, just maybe. he would be much better if he just stood in the pocket and got the ball out quick, instead of looking for the long TD and thinking about escape routes

as he gets older, its something we HAVE to implement. and in that case we also have to completely change the blocking scheme imo

last night was not the first time we've seen the offense go into that type of scheme and have it work really well. stubby and a-rod just need to stick to it, and get away from that other shit they always go back to

Completely agree. I can't stand it when the announcers start talking about how great Rodgers is out of the pocket. Sure, Rodgers is good when he hold the ball forever, but he's better when we go simple, quick passes. Plays that are designed to get a guy open. The first 3 incomplete passes to start the game were so frustrating to watch. Reminded me of when I was a kid and the play on the playground was "go deep."

[3irty1]

Clay Matthews is the lowest graded "edge rusher" in the entire league for week 1....

https://247sports.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/Article/Clay-Matthews-lowest-graded-edge-rusher--121750065/

When PFF finished rating all the edge rushers they did find one guy worse than Clay:

"Just how bad was Clay Matthews? Out of 114 edge rushers, Matthews was ranked No. 113 according to Pro Football Focus — just ahead of Kyler Fackrell, which is awfully poetic."

https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/corys-corner-who-is-clay-matthews-112

[Teamcheez1]

I think the writing was pretty much on the wall that Matthews will either be gone or on a greatly reduced contract after this season. Maybe he will surprise us and ramp things up as the season progresses.
Fackrell is a bottom of the roster player that can be easily replaced.
We could easily sign a player next year that would exceed Matthews ability for his $11M salary.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

When PFF finished rating all the edge rushers they did find one guy worse than Clay:

"Just how bad was Clay Matthews? Out of 114 edge rushers, Matthews was ranked No. 113 according to Pro Football Focus — just ahead of Kyler Fackrell, which is awfully poetic."

https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/corys-corner-who-is-clay-matthews-112

Overreaction much, eh? Yes, the Claymaker's game in this game wasn't as pretty as his hair. Yes, knocking down Trubie was unnecessary and not too smart. But trust me, next week against the Queens, Claymaker's gonna sack Captain Kirk 4 times, and everyone and their baby's mamas gonna go out and buy a Claymaker jersey, including you.

[3irty1]

Overreaction much, eh? Yes, the Claymaker's game in this game wasn't as pretty as his hair. Yes, knocking down Trubie was unnecessary and not too smart. But trust me, next week against the Queens, Claymaker's gonna sack Captain Kirk 4 times, and everyone and their baby's mamas gonna go out and buy a Claymaker jersey, including you.

I'll probably be getting a custom shop one.
Number: 11.3
Name: Paytaker

[Harlan Huckleby]

Before last Sunday, Cobb had the "Paytaker" label.

Pro athletes who are good enough to stay around a long time get high salaries. I mean, even seemingly washed-up Julius Peppers got a big salary. (Then proved he wasn't so washed up afterall.)

I don't actually have a point.

Maybe packers should have replaced Matthews with a young guy who isn't quite as good now.
After all, Matthews gets hurt a lot anyway.

[hoosier]

Before last Sunday, Cobb had the "Paytaker" label.

Pro athletes who are good enough to stay around a long time get high salaries. I mean, even seemingly washed-up Julius Peppers got a big salary. (Then proved he wasn't so washed up afterall.)

I don't actually have a point.

Maybe packers should have replaced Matthews with a young guy who isn't quite as good now.
After all, Matthews gets hurt a lot anyway.
Maybe packers should have replaced Matthews with a young guy who isn't quite as good now.
After all, Matthews gets hurt a lot anyway.

Maybe we should replace you with a young poster who isn't quite as good now. After all, you are taking a lot of green reputation bubbles.

[Bossman641]

Clay needs to get on the juice... call up brian cushing or Mike neal

[3irty1]

Neither Clay nor Cobb are actually on my own personal shitlist so much as I'm just teasing.

I'm a Clay fan, not that I have much of a choice. You've got to piss with the cock that you got and I'll take the 113th best over the 114th.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Maybe we should replace you with a young poster who isn't quite as good now. After all, you are taking a lot of green reputation bubbles.

I still have very, very high availability.

[Harlan Huckleby]

not that I have much of a choice.

This is the Packer GM dilemma as well. (Captain Obvious.) It is not from want of trying. The Packers have tried out a long string of OLB's who showed some physical ability in the preseason.

Clay's staying power reflects the difficulty of filling the position, especially with depth. Maybe not quite as thin of a talent pool as offensive tackle, but close.

Matthews is a below average starter. But not terrible. (I hope)

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I'll probably be getting a custom shop one.
Number: 11.3
Name: Paytaker

I don't think the Claymaker is overpaid. All the 52s the Packers have sold thus far probably covered 80% of the Claymaker's contract. I think the Claymaker was fucked.

Now the Claymaker's career is far from over - he possesses the genes to play til he's old and impotent. But I still subscribe to the notion that the Claymaker was Canton-bound til the coaches moved him to ILB. Speaks volumes about Todd's incompetence.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Before last Sunday, Cobb had the "Paytaker" label.

Pro athletes who are good enough to stay around a long time get high salaries. I mean, even seemingly washed-up Julius Peppers got a big salary. (Then proved he wasn't so washed up afterall.)

I don't actually have a point.

Maybe packers should have replaced Matthews with a young guy who isn't quite as good now.
After all, Matthews gets hurt a lot anyway.

Some good points. :)

[Harlan Huckleby]

BTW, with Peppers, I was thinking of his continued career back with Carolina. Who saw that productivity coming? He really looked done to me in his last season with Packers.

Maybe Clay's career will yet get some of that juice that Bossman swears by.


edit: shit, just now see Peppers signed ANOTHER contract with Carolina. Big guy is juicin for sure.

[Harlan Huckleby]

play til he's old and impotent.

Just remembered a good ole racist joke, the punch line: "Doc sez I'm impotent, and I'm gonna start dressing like it."

I have a head chock full of racist and sexist jokes from my yute. In my day, "pollacks", "dagos" and such were just the neighbors.

It's great being old.

[mraynrand]

Maybe packers should have replaced Matthews with a young guy who isn't quite as good now.
After all, Matthews gets hurt a lot anyway.

I hear Vince Biegel was available.

[ThunderDan]

I think the writing was pretty much on the wall that Matthews will either be gone or on a greatly reduced contract after this season. Maybe he will surprise us and ramp things up as the season progresses.
Fackrell is a bottom of the roster player that can be easily replaced.
We could easily sign a player next year that would exceed Matthews ability for his $11M salary.

I know they couldn't cut him in the past because of the cap hit but I thought they could have cut him this year with not much of a hit. He is an UFA after this year.

[Rutnstrut]

BTW, with Peppers, I was thinking of his continued career back with Carolina. Who saw that productivity coming? He really looked done to me in his last season with Packers.

Maybe Clay's career will yet get some of that juice that Bossman swears by.


edit: shit, just now see Peppers signed ANOTHER contract with Carolina. Big guy is juicin for sure.



Carolina knows how to use Pepp on a limited basis. GB can't seem to figure that out with captain washed up.

[Fritz]

Imagine what this forum would've done to Nietschke his last couple years.

[mraynrand]

Imagine what this forum would've done to Nietschke his last couple years.

We would be staring into the abyss without fear.

[Pugger]

I know they couldn't cut him in the past because of the cap hit but I thought they could have cut him this year with not much of a hit. He is an UFA after this year.

It's unfortunate we didn't try to trade him this offseason so we could get something for him. Let's hope Pettine can get him to play better and not overrun every damn play going forward.

[Fritz]

By the way, I thought "Pettine" was pronounced like "poutine" but I heard someone on the radio call him "Pettine" as in "pettin'." So can we now call him Mike "Heavy" Pettine?

[mraynrand]

By the way, I thought "Pettine" was pronounced like "poutine" but I heard someone on the radio call him "Pettine" as in "pettin'." So can we now call him Mike "Heavy" Pettine?

Yeah, he was overweight, so they called him "Heavy Pettin" in Cleveland

I call him Poutine

[Harlan Huckleby]

Imagine what this forum would've done to Nietschke his last couple years.

Excellent point. Yet the forum was OK with Donald Driver when he played with dentures and orthopedic shoes. It's Clay's flowing blonde hair that gets um. They want to keep the white man down!

[red]

Imagine what this forum would've done to Nietschke his last couple years.

correct you on the spelling of his name?

Nitschke

[Harlan Huckleby]

correct you on the spelling of his name?

Nitschke

That's the German philosopher, you moron.

[mraynrand]

So can we now call him Mike "Heavy" Pettine?

No kidding, his assistant in Cleveland was Mike Hunt.

[mraynrand]

From PBmax's snap-graphic:

Position Total snaps

Defensive backs: 400
Linebackers: 219
Defensive line: 145

[Joemailman]

From PBmax's snap-graphic:

Position Total snaps

Defensive backs: 400
Linebackers: 219
Defensive line: 145

Comes out to 5.7 DB, 3.1 LB and 2.1 DL per play. Dime was the base defense Unsound!

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Comes out to 5.7 DB, 3.1 LB and 2.1 DL per play. Dime was the base defense Unsound!

Just the way I like it. Finesse is better than bulk.

[Zool]

Just the way I like it. Finesse is better than bulk.

Keep telling yourself that.

[mraynrand]

Just the way I like it. Finesse is better than bulk.

https://www.bing.com/th?id=OIP.TeMyJ4TwQDGTeM0d9UHgMwHaFj&w=219&h=164&c=7&o=5&dpr=2&pid=1.7

[Harlan Huckleby]

It ain't the meat it's the motion.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Keep telling yourself that.

The days of the smash-mouth rugby futbol are long gone. The air attack is the new black. Speed is everything; fat is ugly.

I would like to see Pettine run the Pistol Force with only 1 fat guy, Daniels. Put Martinez at the other DT position, standing up. Clay maker and Perry at OLB. Josh Jones at the Mike. The rest, DBs.

[mraynrand]

The days of the smash-mouth rugby futbol are long gone. The air attack is the new black. Speed is everything; fat is ugly.

I would like to see Pettine run the Pistol Force with only 1 fat guy, Daniels. Put Martinez at the other DT position, standing up. Clay maker and Perry at OLB. Josh Jones at the Mike. The rest, DBs.

Wait, this is the Pistol Force?

[Fritz]

The days of the smash-mouth rugby futbol are long gone. The air attack is the new black. Speed is everything; fat is ugly.

I would like to see Pettine run the Pistol Force with only 1 fat guy, Daniels. Put Martinez at the other DT position, standing up. Clay maker and Perry at OLB. Josh Jones at the Mike. The rest, DBs.


I'd like to see what other teams would do to that set-up. Even the Lions could run the ball against that.

[Zool]

The days of the smash-mouth rugby futbol are long gone. The air attack is the new black. Speed is everything; fat is ugly.

I would like to see Pettine run the Pistol Force with only 1 fat guy, Daniels. Put Martinez at the other DT position, standing up. Clay maker and Perry at OLB. Josh Jones at the Mike. The rest, DBs.

WOOOOOSH!

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Wait, this is the Pistol Force?

I think so. Not 100% sure, though. Check with the Kentucky.

I googled "Pistol Force" and got "offspring of the NRA." ;-)

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I'd like to see what other teams would do to that set-up. Even the Lions could run the ball against that.

Not saying deploy it on every down. On, say, 3rd and 14, that D would kick ass. Opponents won't know where the blitzes are coming from. Hell, drop 10 into coverage sometimes. Be unpredictable. Play fast.

[mraynrand]

I think so. Not 100% sure, though. Check with the Kentucky.

I googled "Pistol Force" and got "offspring of the NRA." ;-)

I thought it was another branch of the military, like the Space Force. 🙃