The Officially Official Green Bay Packers / Detroit Lions Game Day Thread and Stuff

[Fritz]

Okay, Cap'n. The coast is clear.

And the Lions will rise up and beat the Packers.

I know you all think I'm just ginning this up as a reverse whammy. If you are right, it means if the Packers win I actually knew that would happen.

If the Packers lose, it will also mean I knew that would happen, as I predict they will lose.

[mraynrand]

You’ve covered your bases except for a tie.

[CaptainKickass]

Obligatory game day post.

[KYPack]

OK Fritz start us on a run.

[red]

so. cobb is out, geronimo is probably out

that leaves us with 1 wr in adams and the rookies

scary, time for someone to step up

[mraynrand]

Monty, Graham and Kendricks (lol)

[pbmax]

With stick 'em, Kendricks could be All Pro.

Without, Packers win a tight road game 19-13.

[pbmax]

What happened to Alexander?

Green Bay Packers
8 QB Tim Boyle
18 WR Randall Cobb
23 CB Jaire Alexander
26 CB Bashaud Breeland
35 S Jermaine Whitehead
70 T/G Alex Light
81 WR Geronimo Allison
Starting lineup changes: #74 Byron Bell will start at right guard for McCray

Detroit Lions
10 WR Brandon Powell
32 S Tavon Wilson
57 LB Eli Harold
76 G T.J. Lang
78 OL Andrew Donnal
80 TE Michael Roberts
94 DE Ezekiel Ansah

[Joemailman]

What happened to Alexander?

Green Bay Packers
8 QB Tim Boyle
18 WR Randall Cobb
23 CB Jaire Alexander
26 CB Bashaud Breeland
35 S Jermaine Whitehead
70 T/G Alex Light
81 WR Geronimo Allison
Starting lineup changes: #74 Byron Bell will start at right guard for McCray

Detroit Lions
10 WR Brandon Powell
32 S Tavon Wilson
57 LB Eli Harold
76 G T.J. Lang
78 OL Andrew Donnal
80 TE Michael Roberts
94 DE Ezekiel Ansah

Alexander has a groin. Glad to see they're sticking with Bell over McCray.McCray had been underwhelming starting at RG.

[jklowan]

Packers big today, Moore decides it's time to shine and the running game has a big day

34-17 Packers

[Joemailman]

A bit of a struggle on offense Allison and Cobb out.

Packers 24
Lions 17

[texaspackerbacker]

A struggle, but a Packer win. The rookie receivers see the field, but unfortunately don't get targeted much.

The Packers are underdogs? Wow, I just saw them predicted to win in an upset by several guys on the pregame show.

[Gotarace]

The speed of Ford Field can be a equalizer...Packers in a Nail-biter 27-24

[ThunderDan]

Go Pack Go!

[red]

this game has exactly 45 minutes to impress me

the 13th doctor premiers at 12:45

[pbmax]

Let's hope someone drops an ACME safe on Golden Tate.

[KalamazooPackerFan]

Graham breaks out......Packers 38, Lions 21

[pbmax]

Matt Patricia could be McCarthy Junior.

[red]

those fields just look like complete shit

[pbmax]

Love Jackson.

[ThunderDan]

Josh Jackson with good coverage.

[red]

why did perry just stop his rush? looked like he had a step

[pbmax]

Burks has to get through that.

[red]

JHC

thats why HAHA makes the pro bowl. people keep talking him up like he's the second coming

[ThunderDan]

Martinez had him cold and let him get outside. Force the runner back to your help.

[red]

perry and clay both gassed after 5 plays

[ThunderDan]

Wow, Clay and Perry our and they stuff the run for a 2 yard loss.

[red]

burkes step for step with a WR?

huh

[Gotarace]

kenny clark down...shit

[red]

clark with a finger to the eye?

[ThunderDan]

Great job HaHa, no help, Dix.

[Harlan Huckleby]

that's a shame

[red]

kenny clark down...shit

he's in a lot of pain

not good

[Harlan Huckleby]

Been watching Clay. Not so stout against the run.

[red]

35 minutes to go

NOT entertained so far

[red]

Great job HaHa, no help, Dix.

but he's an awesome playmaker according to whatever dickhead is calling the game this week

[Gotarace]

Clay's heydays have passed...we need to move on

[red]

its a shame the jennifer love hewitts ass got so big, she was smoking hot in her younger days

[ThunderDan]

Burks staring the game well.

[red]

FFS

[pbmax]

Josh Jones sighting.

[Harlan Huckleby]

bullshit

[ThunderDan]

What the flick is that fire fuck.

[Rastak]

Looks like it hit him in the back. Can't tell if it hit Det first.......going to be hard to overturn I think.

[red]

GET THE FUCK AWAY FROM THRE BALL KING

tough to tell who it hit on the replays, might not be something they can overturn

[Gotarace]

looks like it hit kings back?

[Harlan Huckleby]

On second vieiwing, maybe it did hit king.

[ThunderDan]

Why do we have to challenge that? That is a change of possession. It should be automatically reviews.

[pbmax]

Been watching Clay. Not so stout against the run.

He jumped inside on the big Kerryon run and never closed on the runner. Took himself completely out of the play.

He's too undisciplined and too ineffective these days.

[red]

Why do we have to challenge that? That is a change of possession. It should be automatically reviews.

this is a good point

[Harlan Huckleby]

Ahh, what do you expect when you play a game with a "ball" shaped like fat cucumber.

[Packers4Glory]

Never seen a team so good at self destruction the past several seasons

[red]

WHOA, where was that replay angle???????????

that hit a lion for sure

[pbmax]

That last replay was pretty clear it wasn't off King. From end zone.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I don't blame King too much, it was a freaky play, and he was supposed to be blocking there. He was trying to get away from the ball.

[red]

kenny clark back in for that play, so he wasn't hurt too bad

[pbmax]

Clark is playing but its a TD.

[ThunderDan]

Touchdown fucking Loins.

[Gotarace]

And we dig our self's a hole quickly

[Harlan Huckleby]

WHOA, where was that replay angle???????????

that hit a lion for sure

ya, on my third view, I see we was robbed.

[Harlan Huckleby]

And we dig our self's a hole quickly

WEll, God did this.

[pbmax]

Morrison nearly had that play stopped himself as he took on two blockers. No one else helped.

[red]

I don't blame King too much, it was a freaky play, and he was supposed to be blocking there. He was trying to get away from the ball.

when the return guy is screaming and waving everyone away for about 15 yards, you get the fuck away right there. you don't keep blocking

[texaspackerbacker]

Even if you assume King touched it, doesn't that count as a muff, which means Detroit should get it at the 8 or 10 yard line?

[ThunderDan]

That last replay was pretty clear it wasn't off King. From end zone.

How do we get screwed every fucking week? This is ridiculous. How don’t they get that angle for review for the ref?

[Fosco33]

Why did refs decide to call it lions. They know it’s a 50/50 gonna stand play. Just fucking sick of bad refs,stupid rules. Nfl is losing its flavor with me.

Go brewers

[red]

wow

what a return by "spinning top" monty, but its whiped up by a jones hold

[Packers4Glory]

Fuckn dumbshit team

[pbmax]

Even if you assume King touched it, doesn't that count as a muff, which means Detroit should get it at the 8 or 10 yard line?

How does the kicking team qualify for a muff?

[red]

How do we get screwed every fucking week? This is ridiculous. How don’t they get that angle for review for the ref?

good question. the angle only shows up after the ruling is announced

something smells wrong there

[Cheesehead Craig]

Just going to be one of those games

[Harlan Huckleby]

PAckers can make up 7 stinking points.

Remember, the Lions put their pants on the same way as our guys do.

[Packers4Glory]

Odds on 3 & out?

[pbmax]

when the return guy is screaming and waving everyone away for about 15 yards, you get the fuck away right there. you don't keep blocking

He can't hear him.

[Harlan Huckleby]

good question. the angle only shows up after the ruling is announced

something smells wrong there

you mean you think it was a muff? What are you diving at here?

[ThunderDan]

That was a pulled jersey.

[red]

we're a home run team

try and hit a home run on every swing

[Fosco33]

Actually. Even more so. Why did the refs blow a live play dead - the lion was never tackled, kneeled, etc. the ruling should’ve been no whistle = packers. I hate bad refs.

[pbmax]

same play as video. Adams open on slant (flat-slant combo out of stack) but Rodgers goes deep.

WR needs to keep running and catch it, not lobby for flag.

[red]

you mean you think it was a muff? What are you diving at here?

?

[pbmax]

Actually. Even more so. Why did the refs blow a live play dead - the lion was never tackled, kneeled, etc. the ruling should’ve been no whistle = packers. I hate bad refs.

He's the offensive player and gave himself up by downing the ball?

[Harlan Huckleby]

?

you referenced a bad smell. muff diving. thank you for playing.

[pbmax]

Holy crap that is just annoying.

[Packers4Glory]

Always count on a 1st Qt timeout for no reason

[red]

pissed away time out #1

he didn't "want" a timeout, time had run out

[Rutnstrut]

Look at that, another wasted TO.

[MadScientist]

Why the fuck can't the Packers get plays off in time?

[red]

you referenced a bad smell. muff diving. thank you for playing.

lol

[ThunderDan]

you mean you think it was a muff? What are you diving at here?

Refs didn’t see angle that shows it hit Det player first. How is that possible?

[pbmax]

Why are they asking him for that kinda play? A stiff arm?

[red]

at least 2 open guys and he didn't throw it

[Rutnstrut]

He had a WIDE open receiver.

[pbmax]

Refs didn’t see angle that shows it hit Det player first. How is that possible?

Harlan is making a muff joke to red.

[red]

a-rod is not amused that we ran the ball instead of going for the home run

[Cheesehead Craig]

Worst run D and we can't run. Get Jones in.

[ThunderDan]

St Bown will a good sliding catch.

[Harlan Huckleby]

When Arod when down outta bounds a couple plays ago I was sure he was gone for the season.

[ThunderDan]

Yeah, good throw to Jones

[red]

"right where it needs to be,low and away'?????????????

if he would have led him and not thrown low st. brown would still be running. the guy covering him was a step behind him, no way he could make that play

who is this jackass?

[Fosco33]

He's the offensive player and gave himself up by downing the ball?

No. If it was a muff/fumble and lion grabbed it at 2yr line. It’s a live ball til he’s tackled, kneels, etc.

[pbmax]

A catch by Eddie?!

[red]

When Arod when down outta bounds a couple plays ago I was sure he was gone for the season.

i did too

now he's comparing williams and jones to marcus allen and bo jackson

yep

[pbmax]

Loved the check down.

[Fosco33]

2nd time there’s 2 packers in same area and wideopen guy doesn’t get it. Scheme/throw?

[MadScientist]

this offense is offensive

[Teamcheez1]

Rodgers is playing piss poor.

[Cheesehead Craig]

This offense looks awful. For all the bitching Rodgers did this week, he's playing like shit.

[red]

ok, so new doctor who in 12 minutes

[Gotarace]

Christ it is a bit ugly here...

[Harlan Huckleby]

There was a swirling wind.

[Packers4Glory]

Hard team to watch coupled w shitty refs & rules.

Rodgers is the only reason I watch anymore.

[red]

This offense looks awful. For all the bitching Rodgers did this week, he's playing like shit.

he's fucking with that new knee brace after almost every play

[Harlan Huckleby]

This offense looks awful. For all the bitching Rodgers did this week, he's playing like shit.

He is a little off again. But the offense is moving the ball.

[pbmax]

Oh Good. Now Crosby has the yips. Snap and placement were good.

[Rutnstrut]

Rodgers is playing piss poor.



He hasn't exactly been lighting it up all season. However if they stick with the run game and continue to get better on defense. Rodgers at his current capacity will do.

[Fosco33]

No. If it was a muff/fumble and lion grabbed it at 2yr line. It’s a live ball til he’s tackled, kneels, etc.

Meaning lions and at least a few refs thought it was packer ball. All the more reason to give it to the pack.

[Harlan Huckleby]

That waitress EAgles-Giants commercial is pretty effective. I feel manipulated.

[Fosco33]

Hard team to watch coupled w shitty refs & rules.

Rodgers is the only reason I watch anymore.

Agreed. But 12 and O looks like shit for last few games.

[Joemailman]

Packers have an STD - Special Teams Disaster

[Rutnstrut]

So much for the defense.

[Gotarace]

holy shit that was brutal

[Teamcheez1]

This teams looks like shit on both sides of the ball.

[pbmax]

INT until Golloday bumped into Jackson.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Props to JAckson for getting up and running down the receiver.

[ThunderDan]

What a fucking shit show. Should have been an Int and HaHa gets planted by a stiff arm.

[Packers4Glory]

This is gonna be a thing all season. Playing from behind.

[Rutnstrut]

And now stubby will totally abandon the running game.

[Cheesehead Craig]

INT until Golloday bumped into Jackson.

Nope, Jackson completely misjudged it.

[Gotarace]

getting ugly quick

[Packers4Glory]

Agreed. But 12 and O looks like shit for last few games.

Yeah. Unfortunately he’s playing on 1.5 legs. So now its how does he win games at 70%

[Fosco33]

Nope, Jackson completely misjudged it.
Agreed

[Cheesehead Craig]

Acting job by kicker.

[Packers4Glory]

King looking more & more like a waste of a draft pick

[Fosco33]

So our non Tj watt has a fumble and a PF

[Harlan Huckleby]

That was roughing?

[ThunderDan]

Acting job by kicker.

Packer player was 2+ yards ahead of where the kicker kicked the ball.

[MadScientist]

ok, so new doctor who in 12 minutes

Sounds like a much better option. The whole Packers team needs to regenerate.

[pbmax]

INT until Golloday bumped into Jackson.

Never mind, Jackson had better bead on a bad thrown up for grabs and misplayed it, then tripped.

[Harlan Huckleby]

nice cut by Monty.

baby steps -they're coming back

[SMBASS]

They keep playing like this and I'm going to have a lot more open Sundays like I did last year. 4+ games into the season and they haven't looked good or even been somewhat consistent in any phase of the game

[Cheesehead Craig]

Bloody hell

[Harlan Huckleby]

Valdez-Scantling badly needs a nickname

[Gotarace]

For the FUCK SAKE

[Rutnstrut]

REALLY!!!! What a dumbass.

[Teamcheez1]

That fumble is completely on Rodgers.

He is absolute garbage today.

[red]

stay in the fucking pocket and throw the ball

doctor who time

[Harlan Huckleby]

that was bad by Rodgers - limping towards the sidelines, what do you expect?

[ThunderDan]

Is that a horse collar? Grab inside Arod’s shoulder pads.

[Joemailman]

This is the 3rd time in 5 games the Packers look less than ready to play following the opening kickoff. That can get a coach fired, although not in the regular season.

[Teamcheez1]

that was bad by Rodgers - limping towards the sidelines, what do you expect?

I expect that you throw the damn ball away after that amount of time.

[Rutnstrut]

This is the 3rd time in 5 games the Packers look less than ready to play following the opening kickoff. That can get a coach fired, although not in the regular season.

Now you are going to rile up the stubby nut huggers.

[Gotarace]

This is the 3rd time in 5 games the Packers look less than ready to play following the opening kickoff. That can get a coach fired, although not in the regular season.
I'm all in on Mike riding off into the sunset

[SMBASS]

This team plain and simple sucks. Never ready to play to start a game. Between the self-inflicted mistakes and the shitty officiating ever week it's like watching the fn' Keystone Cops.

[Harlan Huckleby]

This is the 3rd time in 5 games the Packers look less than ready to play following the opening kickoff. That can get a coach fired, although not in the regular season.

I see more bad luck than complete ineptness. Look where Lions got the ball. Crosby's miss isn't an attitude problem.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I expect that you throw the damn ball away after that amount of time.

right, that was my point as well.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Can they move the Brewers game up a few hours?

[ThunderDan]

Dix late again to defend the over throw if a better throw was made.

[yetisnowman]

Aaron has to play better. I know he's injured but he's half asleep out there.

[pbmax]

Serious question:

If the kicker has to step into you, not play acting but on the follow though, should it be a personal foul?

[ThunderDan]

Serious question:

If the kicker has to step into you, not play acting but on the follow though, should it be a personal foul?

No, he was 2 yards from the kick point. 6 feet should be enough to land.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Serious question:

If the kicker has to step into you, not play acting but on the follow though, should it be a personal foul?

I think the kicker deserves a chance to get his kicking foot down. But he got that in this case. He basically tripped over the guy on the ground. bad call.

[pbmax]

So Josh Jackson tripping over himself is on the head coach for not having the team ready?

Still more worried about the offense than the team start.

[Gotarace]

Let's go dink and dunk...make Aaron dump it quick

[Cheesehead Craig]

I think Scalding is just so fast, he loses where he is on the field. And there's why Jones should be in more.

[pbmax]

Rodgers must like that kid MVS.

[ThunderDan]

Great 2nd effort by Jones.

[Harlan Huckleby]

How about "Dez" for Valdez Scantling?

[Rutnstrut]

That's what you do. You have a fucking beast in Jones, but stubby goes away from him.

[ThunderDan]

Good outside run by the Pack.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Brown misjudged it.

[ThunderDan]

31 grabbed Brown other wise it is a TD.

[Teamcheez1]

Throw the damn ball to a receiver!

[Gotarace]

Are you fucking kidding me Crosby?

[Rutnstrut]

Yup Crosby has the yips.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Overcompensated it Mase

[pbmax]

That last play was pure McCarthy. Lots of ISO routes and no one winning.

D lineman with a nice hold of Jones leaking out for a check down.

[ThunderDan]

That really didn’t happen.

[Rutnstrut]

31 grabbed Brown other wise it is a TD.

Well that is if Rodgers could make an accurate throw. That is no longer a given.

[Gotarace]

What Channel is Dr Who on?

[red]

the new doctor is hot

[red]

What Channel is Dr Who on?

BBC

264 on direct TV

[Cheesehead Craig]

The announcer says if you give Stafford time he'll slice and dice you. But if Rodgers has time he's got nobody.

[Rutnstrut]

Stafford throwing into windows that Rodgers won't.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Jim Bob Cooter!

drink!

[Gotarace]

it would be a blood bath without these flags

[Fosco33]

I’m done with fat mike. Don’t care if it’s after season. I thought he should’ve been gone already but kept bc we hadn’t re-signed aaron. Now that it’s done - it’s a transition year and only a few to gear up for a few rings.

[ThunderDan]

Blitzing Dix is a good idea. He has been covering like shit this year.

[Cheesehead Craig]

The blitzes are looking pretty good.

[pbmax]

Blitzing Dix is a good idea. He has been covering like shit this year.

He also beat his man. But the play was made by Matthews jumping inside on his rush and Army jumping outside. A delayed, late, ET stunt that freed Army to flush Stafford toward Dix. Worked well. want to see it again.

[Teamcheez1]

The defense looks fine. The offense and special teams are really the problem right now.

[ThunderDan]

Great grab by Graham.

[pbmax]

Too bad Rodgers throw into tight windows.

[Cheesehead Craig]

There we go.

[pbmax]

They should throw that pass until they triple team Adams on that slant.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Underthrew him.

[ThunderDan]

The defense looks fine. The offense and special teams are really the problem right now.

Agreed, O has looked bad and leaves the D hanging out to dry.

[Harlan Huckleby]

ADams is good, but "The Great DEvante Adams"? HE ain't immortal yet.

[red]

switched back for a play, everyone open underneath and he threw it deep

[Rutnstrut]

Told you stubby would go away from the hot hand at RB.

[ThunderDan]

Adams with good concentration to bring that down on the 3rd try.

[Rutnstrut]

switched back for a play, everyone open underneath and he threw it deep


The short dumpers don't make as cool of stats.

[pbmax]

Outstanding effort of Lane Taylor getting beat inside by his man on a 1 on 1 pass rush meaning Rodgers has to move.

[Harlan Huckleby]

See, Jones woulda scored there.

just kidding

[ThunderDan]

Told you stubby would go away from the hot hand at RB.

Actually, after you posted it we ran 3 straight times but you wait 2 series before you bitch about not running.

[red]

graham can't even jump anymore

[Harlan Huckleby]

4 down territory?

[Cheesehead Craig]

Grounding

[Teamcheez1]

Throw the damn ball to a receiver you moron!

[Harlan Huckleby]

go for 7

[Teamcheez1]

Time for Crosby to go.

[pbmax]

He was OUT OF THE TACKLE BOX!

[Cheesehead Craig]

You gotta be kidding me

[Gotarace]

WHAT IN THE FUCK CROSBY

[red]

wow

[Packers4Glory]

Tbis is fun

[red]

He was OUT OF THE TACKLE BOX!

you still have to get it back to the LOS don't you?

[Harlan Huckleby]

Rodgers is not compensating his game for the fact that he can't run

[Rutnstrut]

Actually, after you posted it we ran 3 straight times but you wait 2 series before you bitch about not running.

He hasn't been utilized this drive at all but hey you keep downing that kool aid.

[Teamcheez1]

He was OUT OF THE TACKLE BOX!

The throw didn't make it back to the original line of scrimmage.

[Rastak]

you still have to get it back to the LOS don't you?


You do, although I have no idea if it got there.

[Cheesehead Craig]

He was OUT OF THE TACKLE BOX!

Didn't make it back to the LOS

[ThunderDan]

He was OUT OF THE TACKLE BOX!

Didn’t make it back to the line of scrimmage with the throw.

[pbmax]

4 down territory?

I think so until the bad grounding call.

[Gotarace]

17 to 9 would sound good about right now

[Rutnstrut]

Rodgers is not compensating his game for the fact that he can't run

Rodgers and stubby have to win with the big passing plays or not at all.

[Harlan Huckleby]

2-2-1

[pbmax]

you still have to get it back to the LOS don't you?

Maybe. Just mad about him trying to run away from a faster player again.

[Bossman641]

Aaron Jones is pretty good. maybe we should play him

[Harlan Huckleby]

I think so until the bad grounding call.

right. Go back and check the timing of post and synchronize with game tape. I was 2.1 seconds before grounding call.

[pbmax]

Army stuffed that run but somehow did not make the tackle.

[pbmax]

right. Go back and check the timing of post and synchronize with game tape. I was 2.1 seconds before grounding call.

I forgive you. I apparently don't know the grounding rules so we balance out.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Aaron Jones is pretty good. maybe we should play him

HE's gotten carries. That is not the problem today.

[Rutnstrut]

A good team would bring in kickers this week to motivate Crosby.

[Cheesehead Craig]

We called timeout so Det could get a first down.

[ThunderDan]

He hasn't been utilized this drive at all but hey you keep downing that kool aid.


Just fucking stop being a douche.

Only you would bitch about a 9 play 84 yard drive in a little over 3 minutes.

[Rutnstrut]

HE's gotten carries. That is not problem today.

He's their most effective back. This RB rotation shit doesn't work, you stick with the hot hand. Yes he needs a few breaks, but you don't take him out for entire series.

[Rutnstrut]

Just fucking stop being a douche.

Only you would bitch about a 9 play 84 yard drive in a little over 3 minutes.



Because the results were so outstanding.

[Bossman641]

HE's gotten carries. That is not the problem today.
He's been on the sidelines the past 12 plays or so

[pbmax]

He hasn't been utilized this drive at all but hey you keep downing that kool aid.

You mean the drive they got to the 10 yard line in like 2 minutes?

C'mon. Poor decisions about throwing stopped that drive, not lack of Jones.

[Rutnstrut]

We called timeout so Det could get a first down.



Tis the stubby way. You CAN'T end a half with TO's in your pocket.

[ThunderDan]

12 runs:
7 by Jones
4 by Williams
1 by Monty

[Rutnstrut]

You mean the drive they got to the 10 yard line in like 2 minutes?

C'mon. Poor decisions about throwing stopped that drive, not lack of Jones.



You mean predictable redzone passing plays, yes that did stop that drive.

[Harlan Huckleby]

We're down 17 points against an effective passing team.

The running game has to be put on the back burner now.

[pbmax]

Lions are just playing bump and run and knocking routes off target in the red zone. Its old Patriots DB football.

Need to scheme someone open or just go to Adams.

[Harlan Huckleby]

When that reciever dropped the ball, it looked like KEvin King gave him some words of encouragment, "keep your chin up" or something to that effect.

[Rutnstrut]

He's been on the sidelines the past 12 plays or so

Maybe he's hurt. It couldn't be stubby just being stubby.

[pbmax]

Brice having a much better game.

[Teamcheez1]

I don't think we can ask the defense to do much more.

Zero points by the offense is utter embarrassment.

[Harlan Huckleby]

12 runs:
7 by Jones
4 by Williams
1 by Monty

ding ding ding

Monty & Williams have looked pretty good, too

[mraynrand]

Nickname: Use MVST for Exxon Valdez Scantron for Most Valuable Special Teams. maybe he can placekick?